Gated Campaign!

Sublime · September 2015

Addihul wrote: »

Soo.. this means you can't even get IN to the sewers unless you hold your own 6 keeps? /ponder..

Join a campaign that has a different ruleset?

Yolokin_Swagonborn · September 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

That campaign will most likely be a flop. Gated access is only interesting if ALL CAMPAIGNS HAVE GATED ACCESS.
It's not gated if you can just home another campaign..... Do they ever think their decisions through?

You don't get it.

If they offer only one campaign as gated access and no one uses it (because of what you said) then they can say: "Oh well, we tried gated access and people didn't like it."

That's the equivalent of putting up optional stop signs in a street and saying "Well we tried stop signs but it didn't reduce accidents, oh well, we were right from the beginning"

kevlarto_ESO · September 2015

Will keep an eye on this, I can see pro's con's and everything in between, going to see how goes for a week.

ScruffyWhiskers · September 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

If they offer only one campaign as gated access and no one uses it (because of what you said) then they can say: "Oh well, we tried gated access and people didn't like it."

That's my biggest fear. Set up to fail from the start.

PainfulFAFA · September 2015

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

If they offer only one campaign as gated access and no one uses it (because of what you said) then they can say: "Oh well, we tried gated access and people didn't like it."

That's my biggest fear. Set up to fail from the start.

Set up to fail from start so that they can come back and tell us, "we tried it and it didnt work."

The only thing i see from this are nightcappers so that IC is completely empty. Been happening on every campaign why would it not happen on this one too?

Yolokin_Swagonborn · September 2015

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

If they offer only one campaign as gated access and no one uses it (because of what you said) then they can say: "Oh well, we tried gated access and people didn't like it."

That's my biggest fear. Set up to fail from the start.

My fear is that it is going to be buff server 2.0

All you have to do is Zerg cap the entire map, and keep it that way. Bam. You have just created a RISK FREE PvE zone for your carebear squads. As soon as anyone tries to take one keep, all the carebears swarm out of imperial city and zerg it again just like AD did for its PvE buff servers.

Earendal · September 2015

Finally, a campaign where topside PvP means something. The juice will flow.

Darlgon wrote: »

Problem causers?
Ability to camp out and respawn in IC unrestricted.
Ability to lose access to IC outside and still log into IC
People really dont care about their faction having access, just themselves or their guild, in special cases.

Until you try to log-in to a full campaign and get booted out of Cyrodiil...

Sublime · September 2015

The next thing I'd like to see, is no respawning within IC while your campaign doesn't have access.

Darlgon · September 2015

Earendal wrote: »

Finally, a campaign where topside PvP means something. The juice will flow.

Darlgon wrote: »

Problem causers?
Ability to camp out and respawn in IC unrestricted.
Ability to lose access to IC outside and still log into IC
People really dont care about their faction having access, just themselves or their guild, in special cases.

Until you try to log-in to a full campaign and get booted out of Cyrodiil...

Thanks for the reminder. Adding this to the list.

TV stone farmers dont care what campaign they are in.
TV stone farming zergs dont care what campaign they are in.
TV stone farmers dont care about AP or the factions score.

Telel · September 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

If they offer only one campaign as gated access and no one uses it (because of what you said) then they can say: "Oh well, we tried gated access and people didn't like it."

That's my biggest fear. Set up to fail from the start.

My fear is that it is going to be buff server 2.0

All you have to do is Zerg cap the entire map, and keep it that way. Bam. You have just created a RISK FREE PvE and AP farming zone for your blob squads. As soon as anyone tries to take one keep, the EP emp blob o' DOOM swarm out of the ether and zerg it again just like EP is doing on Azura's Star every day.

Telel fixed it for you. They are a helper!

PainfulFAFA · September 2015

As of right now

DovresMalven · September 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

As of right now

***... it has begun

DovresMalven · September 2015

DovresMalven wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

As of right now

***... it has begun

i failed

Erlex · September 2015

manny254 wrote: »

I am afraid this will not change much. For this to get us anywhere it needs to be the rule and not the singular exception. Especially with players already having home campaigns set. They need to leave 2 campaigns with open access, and have the rest be gated.

Honestly I think it might be a good idea for these 2 campaigns I mention to not even have cyrodiil. You enter the queue for these and are put straight into ic. It could just be my bias, but I feel that would make the games pvp much more healthy. Maybe this is an even crazier suggestion for my idea, but these 2 campaigns would not be homed or guested. Anyone can enter them at anytime, and there would be no leader board.

Im for the idea of 1 non vet and 1 vet camp that is free for all access. The remaining campaigns should all follow gated accesc based on their specific rule set (Haderus for example would be gated based on resources).

The REALLY big issue though is that they need to kick people out of IC if you die (without rez) inside of IC, if you don't have access. Doesn't matter if you have access or not if a zerg of 40 DC can roam around (wiped or not) and ruin any chance to farm in the sewers until they get bored and log off (and then do it again the next day regardless).

I believe you should ALWAYS resurrect inside your "safe area" in the sewers (the area with the merchants) while in IC. This would slightly increase "time to run back" after you die, but more importantly, it would allow "locking" of the door to get into the rest of IC. This would also allow people to go and spend telvar stones at anytime, without needing "access" - they just wouldnt be able to go and get any more.

That is how you fix IC. Now just make it happen plz @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Yuke · September 2015

excellent idea

Emma_Overload · September 2015

This will become AD's new buff server, and that will be the end of it.

driosketch · September 2015

Campaigns are already going one color. At this point making them all gated would only hurt the lowest pop faction, forcing them into a single campaign to stay relevant. There is however a small chance a single gated campaign might change the behavior there and draw in those groups interested in overland PvP. Just have to watch and see what happens.

jmgrant44ub17_ESO · September 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

That campaign will most likely be a flop. Gated access is only interesting if ALL CAMPAIGNS HAVE GATED ACCESS.
It's not gated if you can just home another campaign..... Do they ever think their decisions through?

Can't gate all the campaigns when you have a DLC that people paid for.

Darlgon · September 2015

jmgrant44ub17_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

That campaign will most likely be a flop. Gated access is only interesting if ALL CAMPAIGNS HAVE GATED ACCESS.
It's not gated if you can just home another campaign..... Do they ever think their decisions through?

Can't gate all the campaigns when you have a DLC that people paid for.

Can and should. Making people earn access is part of the content. Or, do you believe a level 1 should be able to solo in Craglorn?

Evergnar · September 2015

Not sure how it will play out but the change is worth testing in one campaign. Cyrodiil desperately needs some incentive added but I fear in the end only gear will do that.

Erlex · September 2015

driosketch wrote: »

Campaigns are already going one color. At this point making them all gated would only hurt the lowest pop faction, forcing them into a single campaign to stay relevant. There is however a small chance a single gated campaign might change the behavior there and draw in those groups interested in overland PvP. Just have to watch and see what happens.

If (for example) EP takes all of a campaign and then go into IC - they now don't have anyone to defend their IC access. You can't both capture the whole map (and hold it), and go into the IC and get all the TV stones that you need. AP's dont mean anything - so if you just try to own the campaign, your not really accomplishing anything.

Docmandu · September 2015

Great that they added gated access.

Pretty terrible to only do it on 1 campaign. Heck even if all campaigns were gated, people would still be able to access IC whenever they wanted to by using Home, Guest and Travel to Group.

Wonder what the deal is going to be for people with Azura / Trueflame or one of the other new 30 days campaigns ... Free re-assign only for Thornbladers?! Setup to fail much?

Docmandu · September 2015

driosketch wrote: »

Campaigns are already going one color. At this point making them all gated would only hurt the lowest pop faction, forcing them into a single campaign to stay relevant. There is however a small chance a single gated campaign might change the behavior there and draw in those groups interested in overland PvP. Just have to watch and see what happens.

The entire point of something like IC (and Darkness Falls on which it was based on) is to introduce mechanics to prevent 1 side owning all... when the ruling faction has access, most of their force will be down in IC farming tel var stones, leaving their Cyrodiil keeps undefended (or at least defended by a much smaller force)

At least, that's the theory.. and how it worked in DAoC DF. With easy campaign reassignments and guesting, something like that doesn't work too well in ESO, since people are lazy and take the easy way out (as in just porting to a campaign that has access).

Fact that you can just respawn inside even when you don't have access is another reason why it won't really work.

Dreyloch · September 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

As of right now

Yep, this DC'er will not be going there unless to guest and "try" to take on the EP zerg that looks like the dominate force there. GJ ZoS! Epic fail all around.

Ghostbane · September 2015

PVErs can now hire fast PvW experts for exuberant gold fees.

Imagine if there was only one campaign, and it was gated access.

In theory the entire three factions through the Alliance War over time could be financially backed by PVErs.

Tallowby · September 2015

Idea....

Have the rewards from PVP outside of IC yield TV Stones as end rewards of even add small quantities in the rewards for the worthy...

Then there will be incentive to stay out and hold/capture the keeps and resources....

Hektik_V · September 2015

Should of been a 30 day campaign IMO.

ScruffyWhiskers · September 2015

Dreyloch wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

As of right now

Yep, this DC'er will not be going there unless to guest and "try" to take on the EP zerg that looks like the dominate force there. GJ ZoS! Epic fail all around.

Oh come on. I was just there as a guest and took part in the capture and holding of Ales and Alessia. There were like 6 of us EP following Meth around. Couldn't have been more than 20 players total in the whole of Cyrodiil.....maybe 10 more farming CWC but you can't count that lol

Seriously, this campaign will probably have pop/control stability issues for a variety of reasons but you can't throw up a screenshot of the map with Walking Dead like survivor numbers of players and say "This sucks"

PainfulFAFA · September 2015

Hektik_V wrote: »

Should of been a 30 day campaign IMO.

Thats what the nightcappers want as soon as they turn it into their buff server.

Kartalin · September 2015

Dreyloch wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

As of right now

Yep, this DC'er will not be going there unless to guest and "try" to take on the EP zerg that looks like the dominate force there. GJ ZoS! Epic fail all around.

But here's the good part: PVPers may take the map, and maybe even PVErs may take it. The PVPers, the ones looking for PVP, aren't going to stick around for long on a buff campaign. Other alliance comes in to a solid map: let's say EP owns the map and a DC PVP guild shows up. Solution: capture Chalman, and farm AP for days as the PVErs desperately try to regain access to IC.