Gated Campaign!

_Chaos

Zavus wrote: »

When other camps reset. I hope Axe is where everyone is going. Thats really all the major pvp guilds have been talking about. A gated camp. We'll see next week. AoB does need to be a 30 day imo.

-M

I'm gonna try to get Bulby in there for next week, and hopefully Tertiary Meat or Misfitz will join as well.

GvGvG anyone?

PainfulFAFA

Day 3




This campaign is pretty fun with the small scale fights.
Its just the nightcapping that kills it

Zavus

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Day 3




This campaign is pretty fun with the small scale fights.
Its just the nightcapping that kills it

5:55 pm on that screen shot is night capping? Meth has been emp for over a day. Low pop bonus on DC and AD is your problem.

PainfulFAFA

Zavus wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Day 3




This campaign is pretty fun with the small scale fights.
Its just the nightcapping that kills it

5:55 pm on that screen shot is night capping? Meth has been emp for over a day. Low pop bonus on DC and AD is your problem.

Zavus wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Day 3




This campaign is pretty fun with the small scale fights.
Its just the nightcapping that kills it

5:55 pm on that screen shot is night capping? Meth has been emp for over a day. Low pop bonus on DC and AD is your problem.

5:55pm is when i logged in to this map. Notice where I am located on that map (in aleswell where i logged off). Its low pop because people know everything they work for during prime time will be rolled once they go to bed and the nightcappers creep out.

Here what the map looked like before i went to bed last night:



Notice AD wasn't *** enough to cap blue's stuff.
We want to encourage more players to show up why don't you do the same?

Zavus

With hardly any EP on this server aswell, starting at your gates should not be a problem for any pvp guild.

DovresMalven

Everyone still on azura, safe to say axe was a fail

_Chaos

Zavus wrote: »

With hardly any EP on this server aswell, starting at your gates should not be a problem for any pvp guild.

People are already discouraged, and no PVP guild will make the move to a dead server unless it is coordinated that other guilds move at the same time. That's why I tried making the "Call to Axe of Belharza!" thread. There needs to be a full effort by all 3 factions top guilds if we want to bring PVP back on track.

Nermy

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

People are already discouraged, and no PVP guild will make the move to a dead server unless it is coordinated that other guilds move at the same time. That's why I tried making the "Call to Axe of Belharza!" thread. There needs to be a full effort by all 3 factions top guilds if we want to bring PVP back on track.

I fully agree with you but I also think that to echo a previous post, ALL campaigns need to be gated! Screw all this 'I paid for it, I want to play it!' entitlement... You paid for it, now you're gonna have to fight for it! This is a battlefield but if there are no battles, then it will become even more of a wasteland.

I don't think anyone wants this to happen so ZoS better pull their collective fingers out of their arses and do something!! It should never have been a free-for-all to start with, like I said elsewhere, hard to close the barn doors once the horse has bolted.

DovresMalven

Nermy wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

People are already discouraged, and no PVP guild will make the move to a dead server unless it is coordinated that other guilds move at the same time. That's why I tried making the "Call to Axe of Belharza!" thread. There needs to be a full effort by all 3 factions top guilds if we want to bring PVP back on track.

I fully agree with you but I also think that to echo a previous post, ALL campaigns need to be gated! Screw all this 'I paid for it, I want to play it!' entitlement... You paid for it, now you're gonna have to fight for it! This is a battlefield but if there are no battles, then it will become even more of a wasteland.

I don't think anyone wants this to happen so ZoS better pull their collective fingers out of their arses and do something!! It should never have been a free-for-all to start with, like I said elsewhere, hard to close the barn doors once the horse has bolted.

hear hear

_Chaos

Nermy wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

People are already discouraged, and no PVP guild will make the move to a dead server unless it is coordinated that other guilds move at the same time. That's why I tried making the "Call to Axe of Belharza!" thread. There needs to be a full effort by all 3 factions top guilds if we want to bring PVP back on track.

I fully agree with you but I also think that to echo a previous post, ALL campaigns need to be gated! Screw all this 'I paid for it, I want to play it!' entitlement... You paid for it, now you're gonna have to fight for it! This is a battlefield but if there are no battles, then it will become even more of a wasteland.

I don't think anyone wants this to happen so ZoS better pull their collective fingers out of their arses and do something!! It should never have been a free-for-all to start with, like I said elsewhere, hard to close the barn doors once the horse has bolted.

I agree with that too, but unfortunately it's easier for us to come together and get things done now, rather than wait (and hope) ZOS acknowledges this as an issue (which they won't, because ZOS)

AhPook_Is_Here

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

With hardly any EP on this server aswell, starting at your gates should not be a problem for any pvp guild.

People are already discouraged, and no PVP guild will make the move to a dead server unless it is coordinated that other guilds move at the same time. That's why I tried making the "Call to Axe of Belharza!" thread. There needs to be a full effort by all 3 factions top guilds if we want to bring PVP back on track.

I don't think that is what top guilds want. They each want to have their own server where they can farm pve bads rather than face each other. It's been that way for like 6 months. It is rare to find good guilds of all 3 factions on one server, usually you can get 2 factions on one but almost never 3.

Lucky28

Nermy wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

People are already discouraged, and no PVP guild will make the move to a dead server unless it is coordinated that other guilds move at the same time. That's why I tried making the "Call to Axe of Belharza!" thread. There needs to be a full effort by all 3 factions top guilds if we want to bring PVP back on track.

I fully agree with you but I also think that to echo a previous post, ALL campaigns need to be gated! Screw all this 'I paid for it, I want to play it!' entitlement... You paid for it, now you're gonna have to fight for it! This is a battlefield but if there are no battles, then it will become even more of a wasteland.

I don't think anyone wants this to happen so ZoS better pull their collective fingers out of their arses and do something!! It should never have been a free-for-all to start with, like I said elsewhere, hard to close the barn doors once the horse has bolted.

I disagree. why does there need to be gated access in the first place?. Because people don't want to PvP in Cyrodiil, that is the problem. There are few reason to PvP in Cyrodiil. forget this gated nonsense. they need to make AP worth something again, they need to give back the "former emp" buffs and imo they also need to make Cyrodiil buffs apply in PvE again. Gated access might 'sound' all good and well but in reality it is not enough of a motivator to really get people back into Cyrodiil and want to stay there.

Cyrodiil is dead because there is little to no benefit in being there.

frozywozy

Zavus wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Day 3




This campaign is pretty fun with the small scale fights.
Its just the nightcapping that kills it

5:55 pm on that screen shot is night capping? Meth has been emp for over a day. Low pop bonus on DC and AD is your problem.

Yesterday I saw a full DC raid in sewers of Azura, again. The leader told me they were catching up on gear and trying to get their v16 finished before going back into Cyrodiil. People have been giving me this excuses everyday. It's almost 1month into IC and people are still farming. Shameful. Then you come cry in forums that EP nightcap and stuff. Get your things together and go back into Cyrodiil, then you can come back here and do your crybaby thing.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

With hardly any EP on this server aswell, starting at your gates should not be a problem for any pvp guild.

People are already discouraged, and no PVP guild will make the move to a dead server unless it is coordinated that other guilds move at the same time. That's why I tried making the "Call to Axe of Belharza!" thread. There needs to be a full effort by all 3 factions top guilds if we want to bring PVP back on track.

I don't think that is what top guilds want. They each want to have their own server where they can farm pve bads rather than face each other. It's been that way for like 6 months. It is rare to find good guilds of all 3 factions on one server, usually you can get 2 factions on one but almost never 3.

I agree. Sadly alot of top guilds go where AP flows easily without any challenge. Most people don't care for a real fight but for boasting their high alliance rank and easy earned emperor. Just like it is shown in this map :

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Day 3




This campaign is pretty fun with the small scale fights.
Its just the nightcapping that kills it

5:55 pm on that screen shot is night capping? Meth has been emp for over a day. Low pop bonus on DC and AD is your problem.

Zavus wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Day 3




This campaign is pretty fun with the small scale fights.
Its just the nightcapping that kills it

5:55 pm on that screen shot is night capping? Meth has been emp for over a day. Low pop bonus on DC and AD is your problem.

5:55pm is when i logged in to this map. Notice where I am located on that map (in aleswell where i logged off). Its low pop because people know everything they work for during prime time will be rolled once they go to bed and the nightcappers creep out.

Here what the map looked like before i went to bed last night:



Notice AD wasn't *** enough to cap blue's stuff.
We want to encourage more players to show up why don't you do the same?

AD came, got emperor and went in sewers right away. EP on the other side, don't fight specifically to control the emperor ring and go to the sewers. They also fight for scrolls which is and should remain one of the main objectives in Cyrodiil.

_Chaos

frozywozy wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

With hardly any EP on this server aswell, starting at your gates should not be a problem for any pvp guild.

People are already discouraged, and no PVP guild will make the move to a dead server unless it is coordinated that other guilds move at the same time. That's why I tried making the "Call to Axe of Belharza!" thread. There needs to be a full effort by all 3 factions top guilds if we want to bring PVP back on track.

I don't think that is what top guilds want. They each want to have their own server where they can farm pve bads rather than face each other. It's been that way for like 6 months. It is rare to find good guilds of all 3 factions on one server, usually you can get 2 factions on one but almost never 3.

I agree. Sadly alot of top guilds go where AP flows easily without any challenge. Most people don't care for a real fight but for boasting their high alliance rank and easy earned emperor.

I don't think it's so much about wanting AP as it is laziness and/or lack of communication. I know that honorable guilds are always looking for competition and good fights... what do you guys think?

@manny254 @Manoekin @Anazasi @mjspnrb18_ESO @Rylana @Jules @Alomar @Telel @x99Needles

Let's set up a guild vs guild campaign for a week and see how that feels.

Nermy

Lucky28 wrote: »

I disagree. why does there need to be gated access in the first place?. Because people don't want to PvP in Cyrodiil, that is the problem. There are few reason to PvP in Cyrodiil. forget this gated nonsense. they need to make AP worth something again, they need to give back the "former emp" buffs and imo they also need to make Cyrodiil buffs apply in PvE again. Gated access might 'sound' all good and well but in reality it is not enough of a motivator to really get people back into Cyrodiil and want to stay there.

Cyrodiil is dead because there is little to no benefit in being there.

What about fun? Sorry but I game to have fun... I couldn't give a flying f**k about AP, I just want a worthy opponent, a good battle, wine, women and song...

Though I do know what you mean... but gating IC would make you HAVE to fight in Cyrodiil if you want your precioooousss TV stones.

Lucky28

Nermy wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

I disagree. why does there need to be gated access in the first place?. Because people don't want to PvP in Cyrodiil, that is the problem. There are few reason to PvP in Cyrodiil. forget this gated nonsense. they need to make AP worth something again, they need to give back the "former emp" buffs and imo they also need to make Cyrodiil buffs apply in PvE again. Gated access might 'sound' all good and well but in reality it is not enough of a motivator to really get people back into Cyrodiil and want to stay there.

Cyrodiil is dead because there is little to no benefit in being there.

What about fun? Sorry but I game to have fun... I couldn't give a flying f**k about AP, I just want a worthy opponent, a good battle, wine, women and song...

Personally i have more fun in IC than in Cyrodiil. in terms of Normal Cyrodiil PvP i find it to be extraordinarily boring on this patch with the damage reduction and what not, the excitement of running into an enemy player just isn't there for me as it was on 1.6.

With the exception of IC. when an Enemy player does come there is some excitement there as i don't want them to jack my stones. and having to fight them plus the far more threatening NPC is pretty fun.

matter of preference i guess.

EDIT. I don't want gated IC access. i want to enjoy Cyrodiil like i used to. they get sorted out and i'll be back in Cyrodiil in a heartbeat.

Telel

Telel finds that when beating off an emperor it always pays to have some assistance nearby. Especially if the big man brings along his entourage to join in.

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

With hardly any EP on this server aswell, starting at your gates should not be a problem for any pvp guild.

People are already discouraged, and no PVP guild will make the move to a dead server unless it is coordinated that other guilds move at the same time. That's why I tried making the "Call to Axe of Belharza!" thread. There needs to be a full effort by all 3 factions top guilds if we want to bring PVP back on track.

I don't think that is what top guilds want. They each want to have their own server where they can farm pve bads rather than face each other. It's been that way for like 6 months. It is rare to find good guilds of all 3 factions on one server, usually you can get 2 factions on one but almost never 3.

I agree. Sadly alot of top guilds go where AP flows easily without any challenge. Most people don't care for a real fight but for boasting their high alliance rank and easy earned emperor.

I don't think it's so much about wanting AP as it is laziness and/or lack of communication. I know that honorable guilds are always looking for competition and good fights... what do you guys think?

@manny254 @Manoekin @Anazasi @mjspnrb18_ESO @Rylana @Jules @Alomar @Telel @x99Needles

Let's set up a guild vs guild campaign for a week and see how that feels.

Currently COH is planning to at least guest there. We're just waiting to see if our faction will stop being a pack of derpwits and a certain other faction will stop being....less than sporting...

Of course that means Telel is speaking for a half dozen and some occasionals so don't expect us to stick around if we end up having to fight 20 prox spamming purge bots everywhere we go. There's enough of that on Azura's already.

ScarecrowBoat

Telel wrote: »

Telel finds that when beating off an emperor it always pays to have some assistance nearby. Especially if the big man brings along his entourage to join in.

ummm word choice

DovresMalven

ScarecrowBoat wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Telel finds that when beating off an emperor it always pays to have some assistance nearby. Especially if the big man brings along his entourage to join in.

ummm word choice

HAHA wow khajiit walked right into that one xD

Telel

Telel also has no idea how that particular comment got onto that particular comment....as it was referencing an earlier argument about a certain emperor needing a bit of help to take down another player.


That was something they typed near the opening of this thread but apparently never posted, and it seems to have remainined in the reply box all stealthed up and awaiting a chance to sneak attack us all with its humorous results.

Manoekin

I already have Axe homed so I'm good there. I can try and get people to play there, but aren't people waiting for the 30day rewards? IDK when that happens. The novelty of IC has worn off for me. I don't know why I'd ever go back there other than to farm which I would just do in off hours with a small group. More of the original design needs to be added in to IC. As for Axe... ZOS needs to encourage people to play on it. It should probably have better rewards than the other 2 7days, an extra item or something I'd guess. One of the 7days should be removed as well, since now that a lot of the PvErs have their gear they aren't coming back to Cyrodiil.

IxSTALKERxI

They needed to make Azura's star a gated campaign, rather than replace a dead buff server with a new dead campaign. It doesn't matter if we move all our guilds to the gated campaign, all the pugs will continue to play on Azura's. What happens when all the guilds are offline? the map will just get night capped.

There is only one campaign that has a consistent balanced population 24/7 and that is Azura's star. During the off-peak periods it still has 2 bar population for each alliance and remains a balanced campaign. Meanwhile all other campaigns are at 1 bar with 1 guild logging on to take advantage of a nightcap.

Also a Guild vs Guild campaign feels very unnatural. That's basically what we have going on in trueflame atm. It just ends up being guilds trading keeps and doing keep fights. There needs to be more added into the equation, needs to be some pugs etc. I miss having open field fights etc.

Raizin

nice buff campaign, that nobody cares about... (except those EP )

"Inb4 calling this"

ScruffyWhiskers

Look I like Rich Lambert. Pops a detect potion if Rich is /Lurk. But it's clear from his response on Live yesterday that he doesn't really get it. It being competitive PvP. He's looking at this game from the perspective of a story driven PvE type of player (and Creative Director). He also realizes that his financial bread and butter lives or dies with that type of player as well. I understand all that.

He said he popped into the gated campaign and noticed that EP had grabbed both Ales and Alessia to block the other factions from the IC. Well yes, that is the whole point after all. I was there tagging along with Meth and it was about 6 or 8 players who took both those keeps and there were maybe 20 players total in Cyrodiil. Even when I left in the afternoon there was hardly anything going on. It simply isn't fair to judge this campaign by observing those early hours or even right now when the opportunity to have it much easier on another campaign exists. This gated campaign won't work as a stand alone. You guys are smart people. I think you know this but you wanted to throw the bone and hope the dogs would chase, chew and be distracted for a while?

What's unfortunate is the IC was the first DLC release after going B2P and console launch. It should have been something that really enhanced the PvP experience. Following the original design mechanics of Darkness Falls would have accomplished that. But that sadly wouldn't have been compatible with where the game was at in August of 2015. So instead in my opinion PvP is in a much poorer condition than it has ever been.

My hope is that once Orcville comes out, they reduce the number of campaigns and then gate all of them and watch the beauty of a negative feedback loop. It would also help to rethink their loot drop system and pull the armor sets from the 2 four man dungeons and let them drop randomly in the sewers and city districts off of the bosses. IC will need some enhanced rewards/incentive when everybody is grinding for bear mounts or whatever.

At this point, the potential for a sea of care bear tears will be much reduced and you can lower the damage nerf to something more reasonable like 35%.

Stikato

Exhibit 27 of why gating individual campaigns fails.

Pchela

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

My hope is that once Orcville comes out, they reduce the number of campaigns and then gate all of them and watch the beauty of a negative feedback loop. It would also help to rethink their loot drop system and pull the armor sets from the 2 four man dungeons and let them drop randomly in the sewers and city districts off of the bosses. IC will need some enhanced rewards/incentive when everybody is grinding for bear mounts or whatever.

At this point, the potential for a sea of care bear tears will be much reduced and you can lower the damage nerf to something more reasonable like 35%.

Picturing "Orcville" as that horrible facebook game "Farmville", and tbh I could see it going down that route.

PVE and PVP too hard for you? Come raise crops in Orcville! Start a family, breed livestock, trade with friends! Need seeds but don't have the gold? Visit the Crown Store for special gardening bags that will allow a harvest of 3 bugloss at a time!

Zavus

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

They needed to make Azura's star a gated campaign, rather than replace a dead buff server with a new dead campaign. It doesn't matter if we move all our guilds to the gated campaign, all the pugs will continue to play on Azura's. What happens when all the guilds are offline? the map will just get night capped.

There is only one campaign that has a consistent balanced population 24/7 and that is Azura's star. During the off-peak periods it still has 2 bar population for each alliance and remains a balanced campaign. Meanwhile all other campaigns are at 1 bar with 1 guild logging on to take advantage of a nightcap.

Also a Guild vs Guild campaign feels very unnatural. That's basically what we have going on in trueflame atm. It just ends up being guilds trading keeps and doing keep fights. There needs to be more added into the equation, needs to be some pugs etc. I miss having open field fights etc.

Yes, they need to make Azura's star a gated campaign and get rid of Axe as it's only a a buff campaign (which they horribly failed in getting rid of) and we need more AD/DC on Azura. It's the the most balanced in terms of pop with lots of pugs so it isn't a stale GvGvG all the time. What the campaign lacks though is a bigger presence of AD/DC guilds.

So far CN is there on a regular basis, and Misfitz has only guested there once. What we need though is VE/Misfitz/RAGE/CN etc etc etc all on this server with the already existing DC/AD pug presence to bring back a healthy overworld cyro campaign.

Not sure if it's gonna happen, but I'm really hoping the campaign reset helps shift things.