I like the mix of PVE and PVP.
Adds a new flavor to ESO, every other MMO does this, don't see why ESO wouldn't.

I think ic is great..really loving it.
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amatic wrote: »

I think ic is great..really loving it.

Oh gee isn't that just precious. People don't enjoy games the way you do therefore you feel the need to insult.

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Nothing like being prevented from progressing through the storyline because a horde of opposite faction are camping the quest entrances, or killing you before you can complete an event. PvP is fun, when I'm actually there to PvP. Not when I'm trying to experience the content, because it is just infuriating. Good job singling out an entire group of players that prefer PvE and gating an entire content patch behind an activity they don't enjoy. Good, I hope it is the case that all future packs are PvE, so take your precious IC and choke on it. It's mentalities like yours that make PvE and PvP players hate each other so much.

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Mr_Bubbely wrote: »

I like the mix of PVE and PVP.
Adds a new flavor to ESO, every other MMO does this, don't see why ESO wouldn't.

Maybe because core PvE players dont get to PvE in peace and need to deal PvPers that they would rather not touch with a 50 ft. pole?

Actually, I think it is more like the other way around. If this expansion has proven anything, it's that the intention behind this update for the PvP player has been completely destroyed by the fact that PvE focused players are moving en mass and zergballing their way across the map, disallowing for any of the actual gameplay which was originally intended to be the focus of this zone.

I can only hope that they get the hellonwithit in completing Orsinium so that people that want "real PvE" can get to it and then clear out of IC so that the type of PvP meant to be seen there can happen.

And before you go off in a tizzy that I am an evil PvP player or whatever, could not be farthest from the facts. I have always been focused on PvE in this and nearly every other MMO I have played - namely because I detest with every fiber of my being the zerg-concept. I do not think it an accurate representation of what Player vs Player should be about, so I was actually looking forward to IC to step into more authentic PvP environment. Sadly, that has been pretty much ruined given the way most people are approaching the content.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

So, yeah, this is the PvPeoples DLC. They may mostly like it, the PvE lovers... not so much. But you don't really -have- to go there after all... Just play some alts through cadwells until Orsinium goes live, 's what I do...

The issue is, that gets HORRIBLY boring after the second time, at least for me, because I am sitting there thinking "Here we go again".

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Mr_Bubbely wrote: »

I like the mix of PVE and PVP.
Adds a new flavor to ESO, every other MMO does this, don't see why ESO wouldn't.

Maybe because core PvE players dont get to PvE in peace and need to deal PvPers that they would rather not touch with a 50 ft. pole?

Its not tailored for anyone specifically. Theres plenty of content that is pure pve, a change in direction to PVE +PVP is nice.
Better than the mandatory group questing craglorn bs.

I tried my best to come up with a solution in This Thread that would give incentive to solo players as well as the ones who flat out avoid Cyrodiil ,because they feel that there is nothing there for them to accomplish, to start playing the content and I did not get a single person on my side.

I find it funny how folks always argue separating PvP and PvE but when it comes right down too it, folks only want it to happen when it is to their advantage and act like your crazy if the separation does not fit what they want to accomplish or hurts their play style.

It seems to me that all of these arguments try to imply that folks want to Separate PvE and PvP content but what they really want is to separate the players themselves.

Edit: for those that didn't read - I basically asked the questions If folks want their PvP so bad why do they need super powerful NPC (PvE) guards to protect it while they are away?

So from what it looks like to me, most everyone lost interest in trying to do the pve aspects of the imperial city. The only things you can find groups for now, it seems, is either the massive pvp zergs or sewers grinding. I guess if you weren't part of the PvE zerg groups at launch you missed out on getting it finished, cuz everyone else either never wants to try and do it again or got too frustrated and gave up. I just don't see people in the upper city anymore, besides in the long drawn out pvp battles in select areas. Imperial city just doesn't really seem to have an active community anymore and it hasn't been that long since launch at all.

The thing about Cyrodiil was that if you were trying to PvE you didn't get nearly as many PvP encounters and they were tolerable, maybe even enjoyable. IC is too much. PvP is way too involved with PvE. Cyrodiil is a huge expansive map, IC is all close quarters with players literally on top of each other. Personally, when I want to pvp, close quarter is awesome and thrilling, but not when me and a friend or 2 just want to progress through the story.

I agree that PvP players needed love, however, Imperial city is absolutely huge to this game. It is the epitome of all the build up, literally what we've been fighting for all this time, so its got so much lore and story to it and they did an amazing job on the city, it looks amazing. It seems a shame a large group of players should have to miss out because the gameplay is literally intolerable to certain people.

So just like summarize my thoughts. IC PvP is awesome, when I'm actually there to do it. Attempting PvE is infuriating, and trying to find people to get it done has been next to impossible.

If you think grouping to get anything done in IC isn't mandatary you're daft. That's if you can even find a group for anything other than pvp or sewer grinding.

Really, ok, go solo the boss in the middle of temple district and tell me how it goes.

And I sat there for a good hour in stealth waiting for a group to piggyback on as you say, and the only group of people that seemed remotely interested in doing it wasn't even my faction. No one talking or reading or cares for zone chat. So unless you got a good handful of active friends ready to coddle your balls, guess you just gotta get lucky and get a tag on it before getting brutally murdered.

kaianvestra_ESO wrote: »

Really, ok, go solo the boss in the middle of temple district and tell me how it goes.

And I sat there for a good hour in stealth waiting for a group to piggyback on as you say, and the only group of people that seemed remotely interested in doing it wasn't even my faction.

I agree with this one, which is why I suggested that it always come up last in the Distirct quest rotation. It is the only one that I could not do solo and is by far the toughest of the quests. If it comes up first in rotation then folks will think that none of it can be done solo.

Edit: I'll also add that the last part of this story line is a cake walk compared to this quest.

HairyFairy wrote: »

kaianvestra_ESO wrote: »

If you think grouping to get anything done in IC isn't mandatary you're daft. That's if you can even find a group for anything other than pvp or sewer grinding.

I solo IC pretty much 90% of the time i'm in there. not that hard.

Also there are always other groups running around, piggyback for boss fights if you have to.

Might not be hard for you. For those of us less experienced with correct builds, soloing group content of any kind is a tough ask. Even more so now with the increase in difficulty.