TALONS CC IS BLOCKABLE! Thanks ZOS!

Mr_Nobody · September 2015

Talons were op anyways, or, errr... roots in general.

OP things aside, the "fixes" also have something to do with teleporting all around for 2-3 seconds also. Idk if anyone else experienced but yesterday i had this happen to me twice - i try to charge the enemy player in IC, get teleported through several rooms within IC sewers, then back to my original supposed location and die to 50k fall damage. Lol'd.

RinaldoGandolphi · September 2015

Come on ZOS hurry up with an reply folks can't hold in their excitement or anger much longer, they are about to explode...see below is proof!

bosmern_ESO · September 2015

Templar and DK are having a pretty intense fight at which is the worst class.

Keep buffing Nightblades ZoS!

QuebraRegra · September 2015

YAY, TALONS IS DEAD!

Ezareth · September 2015

Murder Thumbs is probably turning over in his grave right now.

hammayolettuce · September 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Murder Thumbs is probably turning over in his grave right now.

Wot he died?! Nuuuuuuu

hammayolettuce · September 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno please give us something here, even an acknowledgment that you know we exist would be nice. The devs are killing magicka DK. I have leveled two of them to V16 and I won't play either of them with DK in it's current state. I'm just glad I have a V16 stamplar to play because after all of the XP nerfs, I refuse to level another character.

Iyas · September 2015

Dont see the issue. Wasnt a nerf. It was a fix for the root from talons.

Teargrants · September 2015

Iyas wrote: »

Dont see the issue. Wasnt a nerf. It was a fix for the root from talons.

Oh? Please do explain how making a root CC effect preventable by block a "fix". What was the problem that needed fixing?

So by that logic, I should be able to block Encase?
I should be able to block Fear? It's a hard CC/debuff and much more powerful than Talons after all.
I should be able to block Petrify?
I should be able to block Acid Spray?

Huckdabuck · September 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please give us something here, even an acknowledgment that you know we exist would be nice. The devs are killing magicka DK. I have leveled two of them to V16 and I won't play either of them with DK in it's current state. I'm just glad I have a V16 stamplar to play because after all of the XP nerfs, I refuse to level another character.

Must haz Templar heals! Plus the willpower gear is easier to get!!!!!!!

Iyas · September 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Dont see the issue. Wasnt a nerf. It was a fix for the root from talons.

Oh? Please do explain how making a root CC effect preventable by block a "fix". What was the problem that needed fixing?

So by that logic, I should be able to block Encase?
I should be able to block Fear? It's a hard CC/debuff and much more powerful than Talons after all.
I should be able to block Petrify?
I should be able to block Acid Spray?

Why is bombard and cripple root blockable? I dont say its okay that it is blockable but its more a global alignment from zos side

Draxys · September 2015

not surprised

Teargrants · September 2015

Iyas wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Iyas wrote: »

Dont see the issue. Wasnt a nerf. It was a fix for the root from talons.

Oh? Please do explain how making a root CC effect preventable by block a "fix". What was the problem that needed fixing?

So by that logic, I should be able to block Encase?
I should be able to block Fear? It's a hard CC/debuff and much more powerful than Talons after all.
I should be able to block Petrify?
I should be able to block Acid Spray?

Why is bombard and cripple root blockable? I dont say its okay that it is blockable but its more a global alignment from zos side

Iyas wrote: »

Wasnt a nerf. It was a fix

Your words bro, not mine. Specifically saying something is a fix, not a nerf implies tacit approval/agreement with said change.

As far as it being any "global alignment from zos", you can hardly claim that w/ a straight face when the vast majority of roots are not blockable and never have been.

hammayolettuce · September 2015

Huckdabuck wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please give us something here, even an acknowledgment that you know we exist would be nice. The devs are killing magicka DK. I have leveled two of them to V16 and I won't play either of them with DK in it's current state. I'm just glad I have a V16 stamplar to play because after all of the XP nerfs, I refuse to level another character.

Must haz Templar heals! Plus the willpower gear is easier to get!!!!!!!

I already told you, I will gladly heal you for dailies. I will use vigor and repentance and maybe, if you're good that day, I'll even slot purify.

Armitas · September 2015

I think ZOS put DK on its ignore list.

krim · September 2015

ThyIronFist · September 2015

An ability that has been nerfed multiple times already, now gets nerfed again by making the root blockable...

Armitas · September 2015

Can you please just stop developing the DK. Just leave us where we are at, don't even worry about fixing molten armaments which is only working 40% of the time. Some of us still have a reason to play DK, but if you keep up the good work that reason will be lost.

Yonkit · September 2015

Armitas wrote: »

Can you please just stop developing the DK. Just leave us where we are at, don't even worry about fixing molten armaments which is only working 40% of the time. Some of us still have a reason to play DK, but if you keep up the good work that reason will be lost.

Honestly I'd just like the option to have that reimburse my DK for another class. Or a few million gold, but mostly another class.

Ishammael · September 2015

Yonkit wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Can you please just stop developing the DK. Just leave us where we are at, don't even worry about fixing molten armaments which is only working 40% of the time. Some of us still have a reason to play DK, but if you keep up the good work that reason will be lost.

Honestly I'd just like the option to have that reimburse my DK for another class. Or a few million gold, but mostly another class.

A few million? Probably ten at this point, considering how many times they've said, "WE'RE NOT RAISING THE VR CAP," and then raised it.

DK in a hard spot right now.

Bashev · September 2015

Yonkit wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Can you please just stop developing the DK. Just leave us where we are at, don't even worry about fixing molten armaments which is only working 40% of the time. Some of us still have a reason to play DK, but if you keep up the good work that reason will be lost.

Honestly I'd just like the option to have that reimburse my DK for another class. Or a few million gold, but mostly another class.

I feel the same way. In the launch days I was wondering which skill to slot because all were useful now I use 1 or 2 skills and the rest are available for everyone. On the other hand NB in 1.1 used to be like us now. Most of their skills were broken and they used weapon and world skills. Last patch we had tankiness while blocking and self heal, now they took this from us.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

Why is every other class being nerfed to the ground apart from nb's?

Confirmed dev's all main nb's.

Huckdabuck · September 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno please give us something here, even an acknowledgment that you know we exist would be nice. The devs are killing magicka DK. I have leveled two of them to V16 and I won't play either of them with DK in it's current state. I'm just glad I have a V16 stamplar to play because after all of the XP nerfs, I refuse to level another character.

Must haz Templar heals! Plus the willpower gear is easier to get!!!!!!!

I already told you, I will gladly heal you for dailies. I will use vigor and repentance and maybe, if you're good that day, I'll even slot purify.

BAE BBQ and Jasen gots me on da vigor luvs! Need magika Templar healz! I'll even donate the trophies!!!!

Ezareth · September 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Murder Thumbs is probably turning over in his grave right now.

Wot he died?! Nuuuuuuu

No lol, but his character is for all intents and purposes dead, never to return.

WebBull · September 2015

If this was a Sorc or Nightblade complaint, there would already be clarification from Zos on intentional or unintentional.

Armitas · September 2015

I just heard they are changing the animation for Talons to better reflect the new "mobility enhancement buff". Here is a clip of the new DK animation in action.

Joy_Division · September 2015

When does Camelot Unchained come about? Please tell me its designers actually PvP.

Here is what DKs have had to endure during the past year and a half.

DK Standard - Nerfed. Cost increased by 25%.
Fiery Grip - Nerfed. Players can immunize themselves by being at a slightly different elevation
Searing Strike - Pointless. Unlimited resources + trend toward burst damage made this skill moot.
Fiery Breath - Pointless. See above.
Flame Lash - Nerfed. DKs one decent skill got hit with a cooldown.
Inferno - Nerfed, Redundant, and the winner of the most useless morph in the game (Sea of Flames) .
Kindling - Rendered moot. Sources of burning procs are much fewer in latest patch.
Dark Talons - Probably most nerfed skill in game. Now it doesn't even root.
Dragon Blood - Worthless. We're all scrambling for resto staffs now.
Reflective Scales. Nerfed. 4 projectiles and does not always reflect stealth attacks.
Inhale. Nerfed. Only three targets.
Iron Skin. Pointless for non-dedicated tanks with new blocking nerf.
Molten Weapons. Rendered impractical. A short duration buff, that allows an heavy attack to function as an execute. Huh? Isn't the point of an execute to finish off an opponent quickly?
Obsidian shield. Just call it Igneous now. There was a time the fragmented morph was competitive.
Ash Cloud. Completely Changed. DKs lost the protection they need for a ranged DoT they don't need.
Battle Roar. Nerfed. DKs relied on ultimates for resource regeneration.

This does not even consider the nerfing of the (magicka) DKs primary weapon, the destruction staff, the dubious changes to the block mechanic that served as the DKs primary means of defense, and lack of compelling stamina options such that one stamina DK has a single class ability slotted on his bar: Take Flight.

The only DK skill that needed adjustment for the past year is the cheesey Fossilize morph of petrify...which to my knowledge ZoS still allows to act as a double stamina drain.

Armitas · September 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

Here is what DKs have had to endure during the past year and a half.
DK Standard - Nerfed. Cost increased by 25%.

Fiery Grip - Nerfed. Players can immunize themselves by being at a slightly different elevation

Searing Strike - Pointless. Unlimited resources + trend toward burst damage made this skill moot.

Fiery Breath - Pointless. See above.

Flame Lash - Nerfed. DKs one decent skill got hit with a cooldown.

Inferno - Nerfed, Redundant, and the winner of the most useless morph in the game (Sea of Flames) .

Kindling - Rendered moot. Sources of burning procs are much fewer in latest patch.

Dark Talons - Probably most nerfed skill in game. Now it doesn't even root.

Dragon Blood - Worthless. We're all scrambling for resto staffs now.

Reflective Scales. Nerfed. 4 projectiles and does not always reflect stealth attacks.

Inhale. Nerfed. Only three targets.

Iron Skin. Pointless for non-dedicated tanks with new blocking nerf.

Molten Weapons. Rendered impractical. A short duration buff, that allows an heavy attack to function as an execute. Huh? Isn't the point of an execute to finish off an opponent quickly?

Obsidian shield. Just call it Igneous now. There was a time the fragmented morph was competitive.

Ash Cloud. Completely Changed. DKs lost the protection they need for a ranged DoT they don't need.

Battle Roar. Nerfed. DKs relied on ultimates for resource regeneration.

Spot on. We don't appear to have a development team, we have a nerf team. A development team actually listens to their class feedback and strives to maintain a classes integrity regularly, even when they have to balance things. A nerf team just listens to global QQ, sets fire to something and walks away. They don't care if there is nothing left but ashes, they are just there to stop the QQ, or alleviate design conflicts or preferences, not maintain or develop the class. They are only concerned with removing the problem, not what is left behind.

In 1.6 Light armor got nerfed, CP came out and nirn became amazing, which resulted in a mass exodus to stamina builds. Those stam builds found out they could perma roll, so they nerfed perma roll in 1.7 by adding a 33% cost. They wanted to recover magicka builds so they returned the armor they took from light armor in 1.6. I wonder if they nerfed roots because they were worried about roots on magicka builds at the new roll cost. I know I brought it up on the PTS several times. If they nerfed Talons for this reason then they are nerfing classes to support their new CP, no cap system, and that is simply unsustainable. The integrity of each class should be maintained first, and global changes should be made second to that. They seem to be operating from the exact opposite point of view, which does nothing but dilute and destroy classes to squeeze and cram them into the new CP system they created.

hammayolettuce · September 2015

2 days and no word from ZOS. Not even a "we're looking into it." This is the most poorly managed game I have ever played.

Dan_Fazzyub17_ESO · September 2015

So DK's going to have to wait until 1.8 for a fix? This is ridiculous.