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Immersion breaking new polymorps and mounts!
log234
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I was reading this thread on the forum and came over a link to some datamined pictures.
Polymorphs:
Scarecrow Spectre
Pumpkin Spectre
Mounts:
Skeletal Guar
Skeletal Horse
Skeletal Senche
Dear staff at ZOS,
I must apologize, I've kept a positive attitude since closed beta, but this time I am obliged to come with some corrective advice.
We trudgingly accepted the Nightmare Courser, the Frost Mare, the Mind Shriven horse, even the Skeletal and Drauger polymorphs.
You might be able to argue for the existence of skeletal mounts as TES does have necromancy and such, but it's more difficult to explain how every second player you come across have access to such a mount.
Can't you see how far outside the Elder Scrolls universe these new mounts and especially the polymorhps are?
@Lawrence_Schick Can you truly, and honestly say that you feel that these potential new crown store items fit the Elder Scrolls universe?
Because I certainly can not.
So please do reconsider this choice and give us rather something that actually belong in this great game, or at least a very good reason for why they belong here.
Thanks for reading,
Have a good day.
Edited by log234 on September 8, 2015 9:24AM Polymorphs:
Scarecrow Spectre
Pumpkin Spectre
Mounts:
Skeletal Guar
Skeletal Horse
Skeletal Senche
Dear staff at ZOS,
I must apologize, I've kept a positive attitude since closed beta, but this time I am obliged to come with some corrective advice.
We trudgingly accepted the Nightmare Courser, the Frost Mare, the Mind Shriven horse, even the Skeletal and Drauger polymorphs.
You might be able to argue for the existence of skeletal mounts as TES does have necromancy and such, but it's more difficult to explain how every second player you come across have access to such a mount.
Can't you see how far outside the Elder Scrolls universe these new mounts and especially the polymorhps are?
@Lawrence_Schick Can you truly, and honestly say that you feel that these potential new crown store items fit the Elder Scrolls universe?
Because I certainly can not.
So please do reconsider this choice and give us rather something that actually belong in this great game, or at least a very good reason for why they belong here.
Thanks for reading,
Have a good day.
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Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS listen to the community ok no one wants real life holiday items added to the game. DO NOT ADD THEM !!!!!!!!!!28 -
Antirob✭✭✭Sheogorath comes in during Halloween and ports everyone into an alternate nirn. problem solved. also necromancers for the mountsEdited by Antirob on September 7, 2015 4:22PMVehemence
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jeremiah911✭✭✭I want them and I like them. I wish people would stop using lore like its a holy grail or something as an excuse not to have neat things. It's a game and supposed to be fun. These items are just that. Lighten up people.33 -
Esbia✭Has ZOS actually ever listened to community feedback on anything? Like ever? I really wanna know.12
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Athas24✭✭✭✭jeremiah911 wrote: »I want them and I like them. I wish people would stop using lore like its a holy grail or something as an excuse not to have neat things. It's a game and supposed to be fun. These items are just that. Lighten up people.
I agree 100%! This stuff looks awesome. It's elderscrolls *Ish* and it's fun. It's a game. The lore gods won't hurt you for saying you enjoy having fun... it's ok. lol.11 -
log234✭✭✭jeremiah911 wrote: »I want them and I like them. I wish people would stop using lore like its a holy grail or something as an excuse not to have neat things. It's a game and supposed to be fun. These items are just that. Lighten up people.
I understand where your argument is coming from, and I do agree somewhat; a game is supposed to be fun and the items in it should support that.
However, for me the Elder Scrolls game series has always been about being immersed in a deep universe and story, but these new cosmetics are going to prevent that.
So why can't we have items that are both fun, and fits the theme of the game?Edited by log234 on September 7, 2015 4:27PMFirst ever Emperor of Dawnbreaker (EU)
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RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think the skeletal mounts are more lore friendly than breaking "a good horse will follow you to oblivion and back" Arvak is an undead horse why not a god guar or tiger. besides, you can also say you or someone else raised it from the dead too. the new costumes are kinda lore breaking as there is no dressing up as whatever those are tradition on any in game holiday (though there IS a jester day).Edited by RAGUNAnoOne on September 7, 2015 4:33PMPS4 NA
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✭✭✭✭✭Lore is just that,it's legends,myth,conjecture.good example: the show game of thrones is following the books,they have more people watching it than have read it.it's called business,if you want lore read books.2 -
NDwarf✭✭✭Well if your gonna jump the shark may as well go big, can we get turkey mounts for Thanksgiving? Pilgrim costumes too? Nice big rimmed pilgrim hat, buckle shoes and a black and white outfit. Some turkey dinner provisioning recipes too.
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log234✭✭✭First ever Emperor of Dawnbreaker (EU)
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Thymos✭✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »ZOS listen to the community ok no one wants real life holiday items added to the game. DO NOT ADD THEM !!!!!!!!!!
LISTEN TO ME! I'm part of the community, and I WANT THEM!The Older Gamers Recruitment Thread
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Eh, other than the Pumpkin thing, everything else looks like something that could exist in the ES universe to me.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Has ZOS actually ever listened to community feedback on anything? Like ever? I really wanna know.
Yea... but not on stuff like this. Only stuff like "buff this... nerf that" kind of stuff. The Champion System is a response to player dissatisfaction with Vet Ranks. Cadwell's silver and gold was a response to players wanting to play through all stories with one character.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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mrdankles✭✭✭You guys are some straight nerds. Who cares if they add real life holidays and such.5
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Rikal✭✭✭Strict adherence to lore is bad for business. People want what they want. You make money by giving it to them. There is a balance between keeping to lore, and making profits.Rikal on NA-PC (aka Rhaulikko)1 -
Spottswoode✭✭✭✭✭Well....it's only a matter of time before you get Reindeer mounts and Christmas Tree spriggan polymorphs and bikinis and surfboard mounts. And another promise bites the dust...Edited by Spottswoode on September 7, 2015 4:50PMProud Player of The Elder Bank Screen Online.
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Malthorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭You should change the title to "immersion breaking" because, as much as you want it to be, it's in not lore breaking. There are very little boundaries in ES lore and I promise you that there are much weirder things than these vanity items.Edited by Malthorne on September 7, 2015 4:52PM5 -
Thymos✭✭✭✭✭People sure put a lot of value into a "promise"
I'm sorry, but good intentions do not make the world go round.
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RAGUNAnoOne✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you guys are interested, here is the ES dates and holidays list perhaps @ZOS can create special in-game events on these days for example if you talk on tales and tallows you get attacked by spirits: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:CalendarEdited by RAGUNAnoOne on September 7, 2015 4:49PMPS4 NA
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You're not going to win this battle @log234. You're asking ZOS to not release stuff that will make them money. Personally, I think the fight we should be fighting is to get the option to have these "fantasy mounts" and "costumes" appear as more "lore-friendly" mounts.
Here is my suggestion for a de-mystical mount concept that would have these... questionable mounts appear as regular horses/senches/guars
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/173189/de-mystical-mounts-a-crown-store-concept/p1
Here is another thread where I suggested that ZOS add all sorts of toggles so those who don't want shoulders/clothes can hide them but those of us who thinks that is silly can "show equipped" and the "show equipped" option would also un-display costumes and polymorphs.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/208091/toggles-toggles-for-everyone
This way, everyone is happy. They can have crazy mounts and we can have our more vanilla experience. Hell, I'd even be willing to buy each fantasy mount if by doing do I get the option to see the mount as a normal mount instead of whatever silly element is attached to it.
Long and short. I completely agree but I think the ship has sailed. It's too late... shark is jumped. Has been for a while.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dear staff at ZOS,
I must apologize, I've kept a positive attitude since closed beta, but this time I am obliged to come with some corrective advice.
We trudgingly accepted the Nightmare Courser, the Frost Mare, the Mind Shriven horse, even the Skeletal and Drauger polymorphs.
But can't you see how far outside the Elder Scrolls universe these new mounts and polymorhps are?
@Lawrence_Schick Can you truly, and honestly say that you feel that these potential new crown store items fit the Elder Scrolls universe?
Because I certainly can not.
So please do reconsider this choice and give us rather something that actually belong in this great game, or at least a very good reason for why they belong here.
Thanks for reading,
Have a good day.
The mounts are somewhat over the top, but sans the red glowing eyes (or a different color) and they would be more TES without the over arching Halloween image.
The spark and flame mounts are a nice homage to the three destruction lines in the game. The ice mount would have been better if it had followed the other two in design and style. The real problem with these mounts is not that the design does not fit lore, but that the popularity does not fit lore. Mounts like these should almost always be limited availability, just to help control the in-game population.
I think that the optional Crown skeletal mounts would be a perfect fit if they introduced a Necomancy line of magic. The mounts would be nice accessories for the characters. Out of context, they are just Halloween inspired mounts.
I hate the idea of the polymorph and costume stuff being in the game.
They have this big box of Elder Scrolls lore with tons of stuff in books, scrolls, previous games, and even ESO itself, that they can draw from. Instead, Firor (because he is head of the studio) drops the "Legend of Sleepy Hollow" lore box on the table and tells them to have fun.
The jack-o-lantern spriggan is a cool play on the Legend of Sleepy Hollow lore as a mix of the two, but it is more of a web-art type of thing, not an in-game thing. It does not belong in the game any more than light sabers, as fun as slicing characters in half would be, or tauntaun mounts. Unless, of course, tauntauns are part of the new housing system for those cold Skyrim nights.
The scarecrow would be OK, if it were not a scarecrow and looked like some of the undead things already shambling around Tamriel instead of something that you expect to break out into dance to the song Thriller.jeremiah911 wrote: »I want them and I like them. I wish people would stop using lore like its a holy grail or something as an excuse not to have neat things. It's a game and supposed to be fun. These items are just that. Lighten up people.
Fun and lore are not mutually exclusive. Fun, lore, and profitability are also not mutually exclusive. We should be able to get ALL THREE.Edited by Elsonso on September 7, 2015 5:12PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Spottswoode✭✭✭✭✭People sure put a lot of value into a "promise"
I'm sorry, but good intentions do not make the world go round.
Good intentions and the value of your statements are not mutually inclusive. I could give a crap what they intended. That they don't own up to what they say is a rather significant shortcoming, however. Integrity is valued over intention, by me, every time. It's not like admitting they can't keep that promise would hurt them at this point.
The fact that reality differs from what was predicted, perceived, or promised is inconsequential to me. The fact that they continue onward like nothing happened (quite like politicians) is what irks me.
I'm also completely unsurprised at this. I actually thought this would happen sooner. They have consistently proven over the last year and a half their word doesn't mean squat.
I wouldn't actually mind if ZOS scheduled holidays and festivals like they do in WoW, as long as they were semi lore friendly. (However, the minute they form an in-house band and play their recording over and over again, I'm out. Same thing for carnival games and rides.) But this isn't even that. This is blatant RL holiday marketing.RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »If you guys are interested, here is the ES dates and holidays list perhaps @ZOS can create special in-game events on these days for example if you talk on tales and tallows you get attacked by spirits: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Calendar
Welcome to the Theme Park. Enjoy your ride and buy tickets crowns.
Edited by Spottswoode on September 7, 2015 5:13PMProud Player of The Elder Bank Screen Online.
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eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭The mounts aren't really lore-breaking.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Shadowmere - Shadowmere is a unkillable force of nature
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Arvak - Arvak is skeletal summonable horse
If you can conjure elementals and undead, its not ridiculous that you can do it with horses - just because we hadn't seen it yet in an ES game doesn't mean it was outside the lore. Seeing Senche outside of Elsweyr, seeing Nords and Orcs and Altmer riding senche, is more lore-breaking than undead mounts.2 -
BabeestorGor✭✭✭✭2 of the festivals mentioned in Daggerfall, Tales and Tallows and Witches Festival have similarities to Halloween and it would be surprising if there was no Tamrelic equivilent. Much of the lore and creatures in TES is based on traditional European folklore and the 2 costumes that have people so upset would fit right in with that. As for the skeletal mounts entirely logical IMO that necromancy could be used to create skeletal mounts. On the other hand I'm not sure that people would be happy to see them running around towns but if they can accept skeletons, draugr and daedra running around town why not?Babeester Gor is the Axe Goddess, the Implacable Anger, the Avenging Daughter and the Earth Guardian.
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The mounts aren't really lore-breaking.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Shadowmere - Shadowmere is a unkillable force of nature
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Arvak - Arvak is skeletal summonable horse
If you can conjure elementals and undead, its not ridiculous that you can do it with horses - just because we hadn't seen it yet in an ES game doesn't mean it was outside the lore. Seeing Senche outside of Elsweyr, seeing Nords and Orcs and Altmer riding senche, is more lore-breaking than undead mounts.
Ugh... why do we have to keep making this point. Arvak and Shadowmere are ONE-OF-A-KIND creatures. TES Doesn't have every Tom, Rick, and Harry riding around on these kinds of mounts.
Another point we keep having to make is that the Senche mounts are NOT Senche Khajiits. They're just big cats. This was confirmed by the loremaster: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1563118/#Comment_1563118What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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corrosivechains✭✭✭✭✭Are they kitschy? Yes. But really, if you're going to say they're lore-breaking, explain exactly how they are so. Just saying "they're lorebreaking! rawrawrawr!" no more makes them so than someone countering with "Nuh uh!" negates the claim.
Keep in mind that this is a series with talking dogs, werepigs, giant robots, 4-armed undead, a race of cats that range from housecats to anthropomorphic to the size of elephants, a mad-god obsessed with cheese and cabbage, and another daedra/god who was literally crapped out by another daedra/god."Could you post me a link to the official MMO rule book please." - clayandaudrey_ESO7 -
eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭
Ugh... why do we have to keep making this point. Arvak and Shadowmere are ONE-OF-A-KIND creatures. TES Doesn't have every Tom, Rick, and Harry riding around on these kinds of mounts.
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Because its how magic works; because they could be one of a kind for no reason other than the other games were single-player and you didn't encounter other adventurers with the means to acquire rarer knowledge.
Because Zenimax isn't go to change it and these threads are useless and you all need to just relax and roll with it.
As long as they don't add Dwemer steam-powered motorcycles, anything they do with Horses, Guar and Senche is meaningless.
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