Shield breaker - are you kidding????

Jaronking · September 2015

BigTone wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

I wonder do everyone realized this is ZOS answers to Zerg.They release multiple sets in the recent patch that when in a group will give you a damage shield to your entire group.Imagine running this against a Zerg with those shields giving set will be destoryed so all of you need to thank ZOS for this set.

Do you really expect to light attack a zerg down? Have you ever PvPed before?

Lol it was a joke dude a long winded one but still a joke.Yes I PVP everyday.Their are sets that when proc gives your entire group a shield.

Erudition · September 2015

Thank you to so many of you that helped get this thread the attention it needs. Now we wait and hope Zos got the message that this set is a disaster and dump it.

Acrolas · September 2015

Shield Breaker is just a stamina strategy against magicka users, the same way no stam regen while blocking is basically a new passive magicka strategy against stam users.

I do think SB needs one revision though. There are CP passives that generate damage shields. SB should say against enemy players with a Damage Shield casted. Passive shields granted should be immune to this effect.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · September 2015

Erudition wrote: »

Okay so i started a thread about this and got nowhere but this needs to get fixed.

The weak players who cried about good sorcs have ruined it for all sorcs. Meanwhile good nb's dk's and temp's are having a party.

Shield breaker is an absolute joke combined with the bolt escape nerf and the shield nerf. Good sorcs are useless this patch against that stupidly ill-conceived set.

Last time i raised this a whole heap of useless nb forum warriors (who cant even play well when they are op) pretending to be sorcs disagreed with me (what a joke that was).

If you are going to have a shield breaker set please make a cloak breaker set, a wing breaker set and a jabs breaker (with crazy heals) set.

This game is stupidly biased against sorcs and we need to get this fixed fast or 25% of the players in this game will eventually quit.

I personally can live with it because i have all 3 other classses and can play them if needed but my first love was sorc and it has been rekked by the stupid cry babies on these forums who have overnerfed sorcs by a mile. As for you sorcs who lets this happen and didnt get involved shame on you and please get focused now.

Eru

You must to new here so I will give you standard reply

Cloak breaker - Mark Target, Flare, AoE, caltrops Mage light + gap closer (you will miss the hit but it will take you into range to breK cloak and the attacks will hit cloaked or not)

Wings breaker - MELEE and ranged that's not projected (Mage's wrath, Spears and so on)

Jabs breaker - MOVE (unless you get CC locked then, rage is justified)

Shield counters outside of Shield breaker glass canon (as you need to rely on base damage cause your can't crit a shield), so focus on pure damage gimping your regen and survivability. Going against someone that can go glass canon and have the highest survivability seems completely fair to have the only defensive move/power with one newly added counter

-Nightblade Forum Warrior

Xjcon · September 2015

Axyredo wrote: »

The shield break set will ruin the entire sorc class. Please do something zos!

But I thought all classes could use shields. You mean to try and convince ZOS that the only usefull tool in the game for a sorc is the huge shield they have? Every other dress and stick has to heal themselves I'd imagine sorc class can do the same.

starkerealm · September 2015

Resipsa131 wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

NGP wrote: »

We can still run faster to gather mats at crag.

until the NB uses maneuvers with concealed weapon

rekt gg

You won't have concealed weapon as a Stamina based NB, if you're Magicka you won't gave the stamina to maintain

I use CW on my StaminaBlades all the time. Well, "use" is probably the wrong word. I slot CW all the time, for the added movement buff in Stealth.

Xjcon · September 2015

Jaronking wrote: »

I wonder do everyone realized this is ZOS answers to Zerg.They release multiple sets in the recent patch that when in a group will give you a damage shield to your entire group.Imagine running this against a Zerg with those shields giving set will be destoryed so all of you need to thank ZOS for this set.

The zerg will trample anyone silly enough to attempt to light attack!

starkerealm · September 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

Axyredo wrote: »

The shield break set will ruin the entire sorc class. Please do something zos!

But I thought all classes could use shields. You mean to try and convince ZOS that the only usefull tool in the game for a sorc is the huge shield they have? Every other dress and stick has to heal themselves I'd imagine sorc class can do the same.

I can't think of a native NB shield off the top of my head. Though, it's not like it matters, because you can always get shields from your weapons.

Tonnopesce · September 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Erudition wrote: »

Okay so i started a thread about this and got nowhere but this needs to get fixed.

The weak players who cried about good sorcs have ruined it for all sorcs. Meanwhile good nb's dk's and temp's are having a party.

Shield breaker is an absolute joke combined with the bolt escape nerf and the shield nerf. Good sorcs are useless this patch against that stupidly ill-conceived set.

Last time i raised this a whole heap of useless nb forum warriors (who cant even play well when they are op) pretending to be sorcs disagreed with me (what a joke that was).

If you are going to have a shield breaker set please make a cloak breaker set, a wing breaker set and a jabs breaker (with crazy heals) set.

This game is stupidly biased against sorcs and we need to get this fixed fast or 25% of the players in this game will eventually quit.

I personally can live with it because i have all 3 other classses and can play them if needed but my first love was sorc and it has been rekked by the stupid cry babies on these forums who have overnerfed sorcs by a mile. As for you sorcs who lets this happen and didnt get involved shame on you and please get focused now.

Eru

You must to new here so I will give you standard reply

Cloak breaker - Mark Target, Flare, AoE, caltrops Mage light + gap closer (you will miss the hit but it will take you into range to breK cloak and the attacks will hit cloaked or not)

Wings breaker - MELEE and ranged that's not projected (Mage's wrath, Spears and so on)

Jabs breaker - MOVE (unless you get CC locked then, rage is justified)

Shield counters outside of Shield breaker glass canon (as you need to rely on base damage cause your can't crit a shield), so focus on pure damage gimping your regen and survivability. Going against someone that can go glass canon and have the highest survivability seems completely fair to have the only defensive move/power with one newly added counter

-Nightblade Forum Warrior

LOL the most easy as a wing breaker is the combo "Soul Assault + Jesus beam" is awkward to see super tanky DK's erased by 2 skills (yeah well by Me, 42 + 35 k damage).

If you use the same combo against a sorcerer maybe you will put him down to 3/4 of his life "maybe".

ThisOnePosts · September 2015

Time to point out the obvious just to be clear:

People have taken shield stacking to new highs, it's everywhere for those able to do it. While a DK and Temp can do it..... a Sorc can do it best along with dishing out damage while having shields constantly applied and ranged CC, etc..

This set, counters the shield stacking. That's it.. that's all there is to it. If you can't top 2k DPS than it's not the set or shields, etc.. that is your problem, it's your DPS. In Cyrodiil.. you need to DPS unless you run with a group and have a specific role for that group.

They could've nerfed Shields into the ground, and after all this they just might. This is actually ZOS taking the high road and saying okay.... "Well, we'll let them still do that but here's a way to counter it if that's worth it to you."

leepalmer95 · September 2015

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Time to point out the obvious just to be clear:

People have taken shield stacking to new highs, it's everywhere for those able to do it. While a DK and Temp can do it..... a Sorc can do it best along with dishing out damage while having shields constantly applied and ranged CC, etc..

This set, counters the shield stacking. That's it.. that's all there is to it. If you can't top 2k DPS than it's not the set or shields, etc.. that is your problem, it's your DPS. In Cyrodiil.. you need to DPS unless you run with a group and have a specific role for that group.

They could've nerfed Shields into the ground, and after all this they just might. This is actually ZOS taking the high road and saying okay.... "Well, we'll let them still do that but here's a way to counter it if that's worth it to you."

It's 2k per attack, sorc lack a healing so 10 hits will kill them, that combined with the fact hardened ward is a sorc's only defence means that there pressured and can't even heal because they still take dmg.

Sets Op, all the people denying it use it ofc.

Sharee · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Time to point out the obvious just to be clear:

People have taken shield stacking to new highs, it's everywhere for those able to do it. While a DK and Temp can do it..... a Sorc can do it best along with dishing out damage while having shields constantly applied and ranged CC, etc..

This set, counters the shield stacking. That's it.. that's all there is to it. If you can't top 2k DPS than it's not the set or shields, etc.. that is your problem, it's your DPS. In Cyrodiil.. you need to DPS unless you run with a group and have a specific role for that group.

They could've nerfed Shields into the ground, and after all this they just might. This is actually ZOS taking the high road and saying okay.... "Well, we'll let them still do that but here's a way to counter it if that's worth it to you."

It's 2k per attack, sorc lack a healing so 10 hits will kill them, that combined with the fact hardened ward is a sorc's only defence means that there pressured and can't even heal because they still take dmg.

Sets Op, all the people denying it use it ofc.

What do you think would happen to me if i let a sorc hit me 10 times?

Asterelle21 · September 2015

Wow a new way to further ends sorcerer class ! Seems nerfing sorcs ain't enough that making this gear would make us pretty useless in game ! Maybe it's to hit the unsubscribe button?!!

DeanTheCat · September 2015

Sharee wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Time to point out the obvious just to be clear:

People have taken shield stacking to new highs, it's everywhere for those able to do it. While a DK and Temp can do it..... a Sorc can do it best along with dishing out damage while having shields constantly applied and ranged CC, etc..

This set, counters the shield stacking. That's it.. that's all there is to it. If you can't top 2k DPS than it's not the set or shields, etc.. that is your problem, it's your DPS. In Cyrodiil.. you need to DPS unless you run with a group and have a specific role for that group.

They could've nerfed Shields into the ground, and after all this they just might. This is actually ZOS taking the high road and saying okay.... "Well, we'll let them still do that but here's a way to counter it if that's worth it to you."

It's 2k per attack, sorc lack a healing so 10 hits will kill them, that combined with the fact hardened ward is a sorc's only defence means that there pressured and can't even heal because they still take dmg.

Sets Op, all the people denying it use it ofc.

What do you think would happen to me if i let a sorc hit me 10 times?

@Sharee

This I suppose?

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Sorry, couldn't resist

R0M2K · September 2015

Having to gear to just counter a particular game mechanic is a design flaw.

Allow Shields to be critted & doted, remove the shield stacking and erase that set.

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

R0M2K wrote: »

Having to gear to just counter a particular game mechanic is a design flaw.

Allow Shields to be critted & doted, remove the shield stacking and erase that set.

I agree. I agree with you 100%. Either that, or make a set to counter against Cloak users to such as extremes as Shield Breaker. Or make a set to deal with snipe users to such extremes. So on and so forth. Shields being critical hit, again. I agree with you 100%. Granted, I'm a Sorcerer and see no flaw with that logic. As it would assist with balance.

As for the shield stacking removal? Eh... I can't agree 100%, but I could understand where you come from in that logic. I don't agree 100% with this, as a Sorcerer we wear light armor (primarily). And we don't usually have "too high" of health, as say a Dragonknight or Templar. But, yes. You made some valid points, sir. Kudos.

Ryuho · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Time to point out the obvious just to be clear:

People have taken shield stacking to new highs, it's everywhere for those able to do it. While a DK and Temp can do it..... a Sorc can do it best along with dishing out damage while having shields constantly applied and ranged CC, etc..

This set, counters the shield stacking. That's it.. that's all there is to it. If you can't top 2k DPS than it's not the set or shields, etc.. that is your problem, it's your DPS. In Cyrodiil.. you need to DPS unless you run with a group and have a specific role for that group.

They could've nerfed Shields into the ground, and after all this they just might. This is actually ZOS taking the high road and saying okay.... "Well, we'll let them still do that but here's a way to counter it if that's worth it to you."

It's 2k per attack, sorc lack a healing so 10 hits will kill them, that combined with the fact hardened ward is a sorc's only defence means that there pressured and can't even heal because they still take dmg.

Sets Op, all the people denying it use it ofc.

WTB LOL !!

Man maybe its time to slot heals then?? Stop using oldfashioned combo - stack hardened/harness/healing ward and tank them while charging dawnbreaker.. NO and NO ! Try to adjust like all must, use combat prayer, healing springs, alliance war ball heals with only 1 shield active.. Seriously i dont get it, its only 2k dmg.. u can esly overheal it with healing springs and force ur opponent to go melee.. And if u cry cause u cant kill 2-3 ppls now, casue ur shieldstack defense is "not working".. try to use environment or split them or whatever.. Start to use ur brain finally..

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Having to gear to just counter a particular game mechanic is a design flaw.

Allow Shields to be critted & doted, remove the shield stacking and erase that set.

I agree. I agree with you 100%. Either that, or make a set to counter against Cloak users to such as extremes as Shield Breaker. Or make a set to deal with snipe users to such extremes. So on and so forth. Shields being critical hit, again. I agree with you 100%. Granted, I'm a Sorcerer and see no flaw with that logic. As it would assist with balance.

As for the shield stacking removal? Eh... I can't agree 100%, but I could understand where you come from in that logic. I don't agree 100% with this, as a Sorcerer we wear light armor (primarily). And we don't usually have "too high" of health, as say a Dragonknight or Templar. But, yes. You made some valid points, sir. Kudos.

Srry mate, u can stack HP as much as temlpar and DK do, they dont have any passives to incr HP pool.. Just remind urself 1.5 and below, evryy1 had 3k HP and 2.2k mana or so.. Maybe time to revert ur stats a bit, to get at least 25k hp?

DeanTheCat · September 2015

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Having to gear to just counter a particular game mechanic is a design flaw.

Allow Shields to be critted & doted, remove the shield stacking and erase that set.

I agree. I agree with you 100%. Either that, or make a set to counter against Cloak users to such as extremes as Shield Breaker. Or make a set to deal with snipe users to such extremes. So on and so forth. Shields being critical hit, again. I agree with you 100%. Granted, I'm a Sorcerer and see no flaw with that logic. As it would assist with balance.

As for the shield stacking removal? Eh... I can't agree 100%, but I could understand where you come from in that logic. I don't agree 100% with this, as a Sorcerer we wear light armor (primarily). And we don't usually have "too high" of health, as say a Dragonknight or Templar. But, yes. You made some valid points, sir. Kudos.

I'll just leave this here. Behold the cloak-breaker (And sneak breaker too, come to think of it)

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This set stacks with stuff like detect pots and Radiant Magelight, so you'll have insane detection ranges while wearing it. And if you wear Inpen (or the CP passive) with RML on, due to the new battle spirit, sneak attacks will actually do less damage to you then normal attacks.

Using this set is a choice. Using Radiant Magelight is also a choice. Wearing 7/7 Light Armor is also another choice. Using shields is another... well, I think you get the idea. Learn to live with the consequences of your choices, and have the courage to stand true to them. ESO is one glorified game of Pokemon (Or Rock-Paper-Scissors), where there is always a counter to your team, and no, it's not fair to be a fire type when a water type is attacking you. You either switch out for the counter, or die where you stand.

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

Ryuho wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Time to point out the obvious just to be clear:

People have taken shield stacking to new highs, it's everywhere for those able to do it. While a DK and Temp can do it..... a Sorc can do it best along with dishing out damage while having shields constantly applied and ranged CC, etc..

This set, counters the shield stacking. That's it.. that's all there is to it. If you can't top 2k DPS than it's not the set or shields, etc.. that is your problem, it's your DPS. In Cyrodiil.. you need to DPS unless you run with a group and have a specific role for that group.

They could've nerfed Shields into the ground, and after all this they just might. This is actually ZOS taking the high road and saying okay.... "Well, we'll let them still do that but here's a way to counter it if that's worth it to you."

It's 2k per attack, sorc lack a healing so 10 hits will kill them, that combined with the fact hardened ward is a sorc's only defence means that there pressured and can't even heal because they still take dmg.

Sets Op, all the people denying it use it ofc.

WTB LOL !!

Man maybe its time to slot heals then?? Stop using oldfashioned combo - stack hardened/harness/healing ward and tank them while charging dawnbreaker.. NO and NO ! Try to adjust like all must, use combat prayer, healing springs, alliance war ball heals with only 1 shield active.. Seriously i dont get it, its only 2k dmg.. u can esly overheal it with healing springs and force ur opponent to go melee.. And if u cry cause u cant kill 2-3 ppls now, casue ur shieldstack defense is "not working".. try to use environment or split them or whatever.. Start to use ur brain finally..

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Having to gear to just counter a particular game mechanic is a design flaw.

Allow Shields to be critted & doted, remove the shield stacking and erase that set.

I agree. I agree with you 100%. Either that, or make a set to counter against Cloak users to such as extremes as Shield Breaker. Or make a set to deal with snipe users to such extremes. So on and so forth. Shields being critical hit, again. I agree with you 100%. Granted, I'm a Sorcerer and see no flaw with that logic. As it would assist with balance.

As for the shield stacking removal? Eh... I can't agree 100%, but I could understand where you come from in that logic. I don't agree 100% with this, as a Sorcerer we wear light armor (primarily). And we don't usually have "too high" of health, as say a Dragonknight or Templar. But, yes. You made some valid points, sir. Kudos.

Srry mate, u can stack HP as much as temlpar and DK do, they dont have any passives to incr HP pool.. Just remind urself 1.5 and below, evryy1 had 3k HP and 2.2k mana or so.. Maybe time to revert ur stats a bit, to get at least 25k hp?

Hm... I'm curious, then if I were to do make said adjustments in attributes to cater more towards health -- what about damage? As Sorcerers gain most of our damage and defense from our magicka pool. Are you suggesting I reduce overall damage and defense, for more health? Granted shield stacking is not the wisest of ideas anymore.

Ryuho · September 2015

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Time to point out the obvious just to be clear:

People have taken shield stacking to new highs, it's everywhere for those able to do it. While a DK and Temp can do it..... a Sorc can do it best along with dishing out damage while having shields constantly applied and ranged CC, etc..

This set, counters the shield stacking. That's it.. that's all there is to it. If you can't top 2k DPS than it's not the set or shields, etc.. that is your problem, it's your DPS. In Cyrodiil.. you need to DPS unless you run with a group and have a specific role for that group.

They could've nerfed Shields into the ground, and after all this they just might. This is actually ZOS taking the high road and saying okay.... "Well, we'll let them still do that but here's a way to counter it if that's worth it to you."

It's 2k per attack, sorc lack a healing so 10 hits will kill them, that combined with the fact hardened ward is a sorc's only defence means that there pressured and can't even heal because they still take dmg.

Sets Op, all the people denying it use it ofc.

WTB LOL !!

Man maybe its time to slot heals then?? Stop using oldfashioned combo - stack hardened/harness/healing ward and tank them while charging dawnbreaker.. NO and NO ! Try to adjust like all must, use combat prayer, healing springs, alliance war ball heals with only 1 shield active.. Seriously i dont get it, its only 2k dmg.. u can esly overheal it with healing springs and force ur opponent to go melee.. And if u cry cause u cant kill 2-3 ppls now, casue ur shieldstack defense is "not working".. try to use environment or split them or whatever.. Start to use ur brain finally..

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Having to gear to just counter a particular game mechanic is a design flaw.

Allow Shields to be critted & doted, remove the shield stacking and erase that set.

I agree. I agree with you 100%. Either that, or make a set to counter against Cloak users to such as extremes as Shield Breaker. Or make a set to deal with snipe users to such extremes. So on and so forth. Shields being critical hit, again. I agree with you 100%. Granted, I'm a Sorcerer and see no flaw with that logic. As it would assist with balance.

As for the shield stacking removal? Eh... I can't agree 100%, but I could understand where you come from in that logic. I don't agree 100% with this, as a Sorcerer we wear light armor (primarily). And we don't usually have "too high" of health, as say a Dragonknight or Templar. But, yes. You made some valid points, sir. Kudos.

Srry mate, u can stack HP as much as temlpar and DK do, they dont have any passives to incr HP pool.. Just remind urself 1.5 and below, evryy1 had 3k HP and 2.2k mana or so.. Maybe time to revert ur stats a bit, to get at least 25k hp?

Hm... I'm curious, then if I were to do make said adjustments in attributes to cater more towards health -- what about damage? As Sorcerers gain most of our damage and defense from our magicka pool. Are you suggesting I reduce overall damage and defense, for more health? Granted shield stacking is not the wisest of ideas anymore.

Stack more spell dmg, replace magicka cost reduction with spell dmg glyphs (vr14 gives now 133 spell dmg) it should work even better than ur magicka loose, som1 made comparison spell dmg vs magicka, pls dig on forum.. naturally dmg wise + heal pwoer this will be better.. as for shield, invest more in bastion, try to use healing received shield to boost mutagen/combat prayer, CPs into blessed passive..

Naturally u can play as u want and stack shields as crazy, if u like that, prolly u will kill still a lot of ppls, u will loose only vs shieldbreaker users, which is good.. As @DeanTheCat wrote "Wearing 7/7 Light Armor is also another choice. Using shields is another... " with which i completly agree, there are counters to counters, try to live with that my sorc friends, u cant win vs evry class all the time in this patch with old methods (shieldstack), try to counter the counters.. Above is only an idea.. But should work..

Septimus_Magna · September 2015

Its absurd that all light armor builds are countered by the 5pc Shieldbreaker bonus. I do not think ZOS' combat team even tested this set in duels or small scale pvp because they would have figured out that this set is crazy OP. Without any disadvantages the stam builds get a good 20-30% damage buff per light attack + ability weave against all light armor builds because they all need shields to survive.

Magicka NBs can cloak to get away, magicka Templars have strong heals so they both have a slight chance, magicka sorcs and DKs dont have any tool to counter this ridiculous set. Basically, sorcs and DKs cannot out-run, out-heal or out-dps stam builds with shieldbreaker, yet somehow this set is supposed to be balanced?

But wait, there's more! It procs on Annulment (and its morphs) which doesnt shield against physical damage. When you take direct damage to your health the shield isnt protecting you and it shouldnt be punished by an extra 2k unresistable damage. Casting Annulment against a stam build with shieldbreaker is like a 26s debuff on yourself that cant be removed or purged.

Also the unresistable damage isnt effected by the battle spirit damage reduction. If all damage, heals and shields are effected by the battle spirit how is it possible that the counter to shields isnt effected by the battle spirit dubuff?

The shieldbreaker set has two major bugs that should be fixed in order give both players a fair chance, please look at this @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_EricWrobel

Ryuho · September 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Its absurd that all light armor builds are countered by the 5pc Shieldbreaker bonus. I do not think ZOS' combat team even tested this set in duels or small scale pvp because they would have figured out that this set is crazy OP. Without any disadvantages the stam builds get a good 20-30% damage buff per light attack + ability weave against all light armor builds because they all need shields to survive.

Magicka NBs can cloak to get away, magicka Templars have strong heals so they both have a slight chance, magicka sorcs and DKs dont have any tool to counter this ridiculous set. Basically, sorcs and DKs cannot out-run, out-heal or out-dps stam builds with shieldbreaker, yet somehow this set is supposed to be balanced?

But wait, there's more! It procs on Annulment (and its morphs) which doesnt shield against physical damage. When you take direct damage to your health the shield isnt protecting you and it shouldnt be punished by an extra 2k unresistable damage. Casting Annulment against a stam build with shieldbreaker is like a 26s debuff on yourself that cant be removed or purged.

Also the unresistable damage isnt effected by the battle spirit damage reduction. If all damage, heals and shields are effected by the battle spirit how is it possible that the counter to shields isnt effected by the battle spirit dubuff?

The shieldbreaker set has two major bugs that should be fixed in order give both players a fair chance, please look at this @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_EricWrobel

DK can flipflap wings and wont be hurt by shieldbreaker (bow users).. At least on PTS.. Hadnt tested live that.. As for anulment, I agree, shieldbreaker shouldnt work on it.. Its just stupid..

As for shieldbreaker dmg, they are ok ,2.1k is nothing, u heal more than u receive using healing springs for example.. If they renerf this set (previously it was 930 dmg) they will make this set completly trash.. Slightly dmg reduction to lets say1.8k or so wouldnt hurt it, but imo no needed..

And i am not defending this set, not planing to use it - #iammagickaforever - but i am tired of skilless shieldstacking, this set is needed for that.. When ppls realise that they can die casue abusing this method, they will switch some shields for heals, which will be good for game health..

Seriously.. If som1 of u is sorcerer and cant adjust to be prepared to counter this set, means u are really bad player.. Just shieldstack more, will help u prolly..

Maphusail · September 2015

That's very strange: I began to level my templar when the Blazing shield spam was all you need to kill everyone around. Now when I've V16 templar, Zos have broken it so it's the weakest PVP class. So I began to level a Sorc which was counted as a super uber monster killer. Now they introduced the Shield breaker... So, should I begin to level magicka NB for ZOS to nerf it's cloack?

But generally speaking to all these people complaining about the new set, do you think everyone now will wear it? There are 3 other classes to deal with so I doubt that every enemy you face would wear this gear just because he think that he will definately encounter another sorc on his way so he need to be prepaired. So just avoid shield breakers and kill the guys who dont wear it.

CaptainObvious · September 2015

Shield Breaker only breaks those not willing to adapt.

As Ned Flander's Mother said, "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."

Septimus_Magna · September 2015

Ryuho wrote: »

Man maybe its time to slot heals then?? Stop using oldfashioned combo - stack hardened/harness/healing ward and tank them while charging dawnbreaker.. NO and NO ! Try to adjust like all must, use combat prayer, healing springs, alliance war ball heals with only 1 shield active.. Seriously i dont get it, its only 2k dmg.. u can esly overheal it with healing springs and force ur opponent to go melee.. And if u cry cause u cant kill 2-3 ppls now, casue ur shieldstack defense is "not working".. try to use environment or split them or whatever.. Start to use ur brain finally..

Just 2k unresistable damage to health per light attack + ability weave. With a normal damage ability you do around 6-8k damage, an extra 2k damage is a 33-20% damage buff directly to health which is huge. If you start spamming healing springs + combat prayer + rapid regen you wont be able to return any damage so you might survive longer but you will never win the fight. Without good defensive abilities beside shields sorcs are screwed with the current state of this set.

I also dont see this light armor dodge roll breaker set:
2) increase max magicka
3) increase magicka regen
4) increase spell damage
5) deals 2k unresistable damage on light attacks for 8 seconds after an attack was dodged.

You see how OP that set would be? Its exactly as OP as the shieldbreaker is against sorcs.

Zlater · September 2015

Ok let me explain why this set is considered OP

The shield breaker set doesn't just deal damage under the shield that everyone thinks it does. It deals the damage directly to your health bar.
Block, Heavy Armor or armor buffs, damage reduction (including the battle spirit buff), Champion points and every other damage mitigation technique you can think of are completely useless. It should be reworded to, "reduces player health by 2k," this would be more honest.

The reason sorcs, myself not included anymore, are having huge problems with this set is simply because they have no class heal they can use to counter this and any damage they recieve. Hardened ward is literally their only kinda class heal, and because it lasts 20 seconds and is the biggest shield you can get in-game, by the time a nb's light attacks have gotten through the shield with the battle spirit buff debuffing the Nb's attacks, shield breaker has already reduced the health to 0.

Unresistable damage weapon enchant: Unaffected by block. Affected by armor, shields, damage reduction.
Unresistable Shield Breaker damage: Unaffected by block, armor, shields and damage reduction. Affected by umm... I don't know.

We all said this was stupid when it went to the PTS, you'll find the numbers and numbers of threads on exactly this, but ZOS like to play Russian roulette with their player base. "Talking is not an option" the PTS is strictly for finding bugs, players findings and opinions don't matter in the slightest.

Zlater · September 2015

accidental repost

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

Zlater wrote: »

Ok let me explain why this set is considered OP

The shield breaker set doesn't just deal damage under the shield that everyone thinks it does. It deals the damage directly to your health bar.
Block, Heavy Armor or armor buffs, damage reduction (including the battle spirit buff), Champion points and every other damage mitigation technique you can think of are completely useless. It should be reworded to, "reduces player health by 2k," this would be more honest.

The reason sorcs, myself not included anymore, are having huge problems with this set is simply because they have no class heal they can use to counter this and any damage they recieve. Hardened ward is literally their only kinda class heal, and because it lasts 20 seconds and is the biggest shield you can get in-game, by the time a nb's light attacks have gotten through the shield with the battle spirit buff debuffing the Nb's attacks, shield breaker has already reduced the health to 0.

Unresistable damage weapon enchant: Unaffected by block. Affected by armor, shields, damage reduction.
Unresistable Shield Breaker damage: Unaffected by block, armor, shields and damage reduction. Affected by umm... I don't know.

We all said this was stupid when it went to the PTS, you'll find the numbers and numbers of threads on exactly this, but ZOS like to play Russian roulette with their player base. "Talking is not an option" the PTS is strictly for finding bugs, players findings and opinions don't matter in the slightest.

Facts. Straight facts.

CP5 · September 2015

Zlater wrote: »

Ok let me explain why this set is considered OP

The shield breaker set doesn't just deal damage under the shield that everyone thinks it does. It deals the damage directly to your health bar.
Block, Heavy Armor or armor buffs, damage reduction (including the battle spirit buff), Champion points and every other damage mitigation technique you can think of are completely useless. It should be reworded to, "reduces player health by 2k," this would be more honest.

The reason sorcs, myself not included anymore, are having huge problems with this set is simply because they have no class heal they can use to counter this and any damage they recieve. Hardened ward is literally their only kinda class heal, and because it lasts 20 seconds and is the biggest shield you can get in-game, by the time a nb's light attacks have gotten through the shield with the battle spirit buff debuffing the Nb's attacks, shield breaker has already reduced the health to 0.

Unresistable damage weapon enchant: Unaffected by block. Affected by armor, shields, damage reduction.
Unresistable Shield Breaker damage: Unaffected by block, armor, shields and damage reduction. Affected by umm... I don't know.

We all said this was stupid when it went to the PTS, you'll find the numbers and numbers of threads on exactly this, but ZOS like to play Russian roulette with their player base. "Talking is not an option" the PTS is strictly for finding bugs, players findings and opinions don't matter in the slightest.

Quit using logic, any shield breaker thread instantly is about getting revenge on sorcerers and has no room for any such arguments. Besides, people see sorcs and instantly think that they must shield stack, but I doubt any of them even consider why it is one of the more popular build choices. People are also very willing to see how this set impacts everyone, or that the damage isn't reduced by battle spirit when their healing is, effectively doubling the amount of healing you need to do to counter light attacks. Anyway, nice post, but it'll likely fall of deaf ears.

Septimus_Magna · September 2015

Ryuho wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Time to point out the obvious just to be clear:

People have taken shield stacking to new highs, it's everywhere for those able to do it. While a DK and Temp can do it..... a Sorc can do it best along with dishing out damage while having shields constantly applied and ranged CC, etc..

This set, counters the shield stacking. That's it.. that's all there is to it. If you can't top 2k DPS than it's not the set or shields, etc.. that is your problem, it's your DPS. In Cyrodiil.. you need to DPS unless you run with a group and have a specific role for that group.

They could've nerfed Shields into the ground, and after all this they just might. This is actually ZOS taking the high road and saying okay.... "Well, we'll let them still do that but here's a way to counter it if that's worth it to you."

It's 2k per attack, sorc lack a healing so 10 hits will kill them, that combined with the fact hardened ward is a sorc's only defence means that there pressured and can't even heal because they still take dmg.

Sets Op, all the people denying it use it ofc.

WTB LOL !!

Man maybe its time to slot heals then?? Stop using oldfashioned combo - stack hardened/harness/healing ward and tank them while charging dawnbreaker.. NO and NO ! Try to adjust like all must, use combat prayer, healing springs, alliance war ball heals with only 1 shield active.. Seriously i dont get it, its only 2k dmg.. u can esly overheal it with healing springs and force ur opponent to go melee.. And if u cry cause u cant kill 2-3 ppls now, casue ur shieldstack defense is "not working".. try to use environment or split them or whatever.. Start to use ur brain finally..

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Having to gear to just counter a particular game mechanic is a design flaw.

Allow Shields to be critted & doted, remove the shield stacking and erase that set.

I agree. I agree with you 100%. Either that, or make a set to counter against Cloak users to such as extremes as Shield Breaker. Or make a set to deal with snipe users to such extremes. So on and so forth. Shields being critical hit, again. I agree with you 100%. Granted, I'm a Sorcerer and see no flaw with that logic. As it would assist with balance.

As for the shield stacking removal? Eh... I can't agree 100%, but I could understand where you come from in that logic. I don't agree 100% with this, as a Sorcerer we wear light armor (primarily). And we don't usually have "too high" of health, as say a Dragonknight or Templar. But, yes. You made some valid points, sir. Kudos.

Srry mate, u can stack HP as much as temlpar and DK do, they dont have any passives to incr HP pool.. Just remind urself 1.5 and below, evryy1 had 3k HP and 2.2k mana or so.. Maybe time to revert ur stats a bit, to get at least 25k hp?

Hm... I'm curious, then if I were to do make said adjustments in attributes to cater more towards health -- what about damage? As Sorcerers gain most of our damage and defense from our magicka pool. Are you suggesting I reduce overall damage and defense, for more health? Granted shield stacking is not the wisest of ideas anymore.

Stack more spell dmg, replace magicka cost reduction with spell dmg glyphs (vr14 gives now 133 spell dmg) it should work even better than ur magicka loose, som1 made comparison spell dmg vs magicka, pls dig on forum.. naturally dmg wise + heal pwoer this will be better.. as for shield, invest more in bastion, try to use healing received shield to boost mutagen/combat prayer, CPs into blessed passive..

Naturally u can play as u want and stack shields as crazy, if u like that, prolly u will kill still a lot of ppls, u will loose only vs shieldbreaker users, which is good.. As @DeanTheCat wrote "Wearing 7/7 Light Armor is also another choice. Using shields is another... " with which i completly agree, there are counters to counters, try to live with that my sorc friends, u cant win vs evry class all the time in this patch with old methods (shieldstack), try to counter the counters.. Above is only an idea.. But should work..

I have 2.8k spell damage and 34k max magicka with destro/resto so my damage is fine. The problem is sustain against stam builds that use shieldbreaker, it looks like this set is designed like stam abilities dont do any damage while the opposite is the case. Snipes and Wrecking Blows still hit hard so its not like I cannot safely dps for 5 seconds with only 1 shield against physical damage (hardened ward) and 1 situation shield/heal (healing ward).

The difficulty lies in the fact that you can hardly return any damage while trying to shield and out-heal the damage from a shieldbreaker to your health on top of the normal ability damage to your shield/health.

Im fine with a counter against shields but this isnt a counter because that would indicate that the shieldbreaker set has a counter of its own but that is not the case.