collectables and the upcomming changes

angelyn · August 2015

This may be a silly question-Could I just check, are the "trophy" items obtained from questing/public dungeons included in this? As in no longer bankable? An example would be "Bonesnap Binding Stone". Although my main found these, they are stored on an Alt.

If I can still bank them-great!
If I can't- what happens to the ones stored on my alt?

EDIT:I did read Jessica's reply but I'm not 100% sure after reading it. I'm leaning towards thinking they are still bankable because they are not collectible, even though they are a trophy. (wow that's a mouthful)

starlizard70ub17_ESO · August 2015

Leggi wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We’d like to provide a little insight and clarification on the upcoming changes to collectibles.

We hope that helps clarify the changes. Please let us know if you have any questions!

Dear Jessica!

I've grinded Flesh Atronachs for hours already, with 5 AD toons, with all that dolmens and so on I've killed more than 3k, maybe 4k.
There was no drop cause of your year long bug. And your colleagues told me that Flesh Symbionyte drop would be fixed with the IC patch.

Three questions:
1. Is it finally fixed?
2. Where should I grind now that atronachs with my AD VR14 toon?
3. Can you make at least their droprate higher? That's my last trophy to collect. I've lost the bet cause of your bug,

The Flesh Symbionyte is the last thing I need to collect also. Currently if you're a vet level AD player, you can farm the 2 Flesh Atronachs in the Lost Village public dungeon in Cold Harbor, or you can go to IC and try to farm the few Flesh Atronachs there amidst the zerg/gank fest that will be present for at a few months. Other faction have there own version of near impossable collection drops also. exp Jackels, Netches, etc.

Vashna · August 2015

Flesh Atronachs
You can farm these in the Spindleclutch dungeon. There's even a dungeon achievement to kill X number of this monster. There's about 6 per run, including a boss encounter featuring 3 of them. This may not seem like many, but consider that players like myself will be farming Spindleclutch endlessly (again) in pursuit of v16 Blood Spawn helmets, so the trophy will surface eventually.

You can also:
-- Downgrade the dungeon to v1 to clear the dungeon faster; or
-- Run the dungeon 2-man to make a nice chunk of XP while trophy hunting (if you're a CP grinder).

trippingchrissy · August 2015

After all that, the only line about the change in the patch notes is "Monster trophies now work more like fishing trophies: when you loot one, you automatically receive achievement credit, rather than having to use it as a separate action."

Won't you get more support tickets now that your only announcement of the change was a short line that doesn't explain it very well in a huge list of patch notes?

UrQuan · August 2015

trippingchrissy wrote: »

After all that, the only line about the change in the patch notes is "Monster trophies now work more like fishing trophies: when you loot one, you automatically receive achievement credit, rather than having to use it as a separate action."

Won't you get more support tickets now that your only announcement of the change was a short line that doesn't explain it very well in a huge list of patch notes?

Maybe that means that they changed their mind about making it so that you can't bank it and use it on a different character? I mean, probably not, but we can hope...

Fissh · August 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

trippingchrissy wrote: »

After all that, the only line about the change in the patch notes is "Monster trophies now work more like fishing trophies: when you loot one, you automatically receive achievement credit, rather than having to use it as a separate action."

Won't you get more support tickets now that your only announcement of the change was a short line that doesn't explain it very well in a huge list of patch notes?

Maybe that means that they changed their mind about making it so that you can't bank it and use it on a different character? I mean, probably not, but we can hope...

This is what I am hoping as well.

RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

Oh what's that? You guys feel inconvenienced by this? Oh that's a damn shame. Well whining about it isn't going to get you anywhere. It makes sense for them to take it out because you shouldn't be able to get rare collectibles and achievements from alt characters that don't even exist in the main one's world.

trippingchrissy · August 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Oh what's that? You guys feel inconvenienced by this? Oh that's a damn shame. Well whining about it isn't going to get you anywhere. It makes sense for them to take it out because you shouldn't be able to get rare collectibles and achievements from alt characters that don't even exist in the main one's world.

It also makes sense for the to not implement class changes just because you rolled a Templar and added Vampire and don't like the combination, but who's counting?

Fissh · August 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Oh what's that? You guys feel inconvenienced by this? Oh that's a damn shame. Well whining about it isn't going to get you anywhere. It makes sense for them to take it out because you shouldn't be able to get rare collectibles and achievements from alt characters that don't even exist in the main one's world.

You against the world, heh? Take a moment to relax, breathe, and come to grips with your anger situation.

MissBizz · August 2015

So.. my AD VR14 is currently questing in Alik'r. Where can I get fleshy symboiant? Anyone know spots in Alik'r, Bangkorai, or Craglorn?

I'm anti-grinding. It's boring. Pointless. Ugh.

But I need to grind for that collectible now.

RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

trippingchrissy wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Oh what's that? You guys feel inconvenienced by this? Oh that's a damn shame. Well whining about it isn't going to get you anywhere. It makes sense for them to take it out because you shouldn't be able to get rare collectibles and achievements from alt characters that don't even exist in the main one's world.

It also makes sense for the to not implement class changes just because you rolled a Templar and added Vampire and don't like the combination, but who's counting?

The entire point of my post here was to parody the idiocy I was seeing in that topic. So at least you apparently understood THAT much.

RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

Fissh wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Oh what's that? You guys feel inconvenienced by this? Oh that's a damn shame. Well whining about it isn't going to get you anywhere. It makes sense for them to take it out because you shouldn't be able to get rare collectibles and achievements from alt characters that don't even exist in the main one's world.

You against the world, heh? Take a moment to relax, breathe, and come to grips with your anger situation.

I don't want to hear that. I'm simply calling out the double standard and the hypocrisy of everyone on this board.

NovaMarx · August 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Oh what's that? You guys feel inconvenienced by this? Oh that's a damn shame. Well whining about it isn't going to get you anywhere. It makes sense for them to take it out because you shouldn't be able to get rare collectibles and achievements from alt characters that don't even exist in the main one's world.

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

I don't want to hear that. I'm simply calling out the double standard and the hypocrisy of everyone on this board.

If people didn't voice their opinions the devs wouldn't know what the players want/don't want or like/dislike, or if things even work properly/effectively. And calling everyone in this thread "hypocrites" is far-fetched and slightly insulting...

Besides, with your logic we shouldn't be able to trade/share other rare items between characters (or any items for that matter). What about everything else we share between characters via the bank, like recipes, crafting materials, ingredients, motifs, items/armor, etc.?

The collectibles don't do anything besides giving you a dye and eventually a title - it's just cosmetic. But being able to share other items that actually "help" in-game is okay? I see that as a double standard.

RinneganDovahkiin · August 2015

NovaMarx wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Oh what's that? You guys feel inconvenienced by this? Oh that's a damn shame. Well whining about it isn't going to get you anywhere. It makes sense for them to take it out because you shouldn't be able to get rare collectibles and achievements from alt characters that don't even exist in the main one's world.

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

I don't want to hear that. I'm simply calling out the double standard and the hypocrisy of everyone on this board.

If people didn't voice their opinions the devs wouldn't know what the players want/don't want or like/dislike, or if things even work properly/effectively. And calling everyone in this thread "hypocrites" is far-fetched and slightly insulting...

Besides, with your logic we shouldn't be able to trade/share other rare items between characters (or any items for that matter). What about everything else we share between characters via the bank, like recipes, crafting materials, ingredients, motifs, items/armor, etc.?

The collectibles don't do anything besides giving you a dye and eventually a title - it's just cosmetic. But being able to share other items that actually "help" in-game is okay? I see that as a double standard.

According to most of the anti change class logic, you shouldn't be able to do that either.

NovaMarx · August 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

NovaMarx wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Oh what's that? You guys feel inconvenienced by this? Oh that's a damn shame. Well whining about it isn't going to get you anywhere. It makes sense for them to take it out because you shouldn't be able to get rare collectibles and achievements from alt characters that don't even exist in the main one's world.

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

I don't want to hear that. I'm simply calling out the double standard and the hypocrisy of everyone on this board.

If people didn't voice their opinions the devs wouldn't know what the players want/don't want or like/dislike, or if things even work properly/effectively. And calling everyone in this thread "hypocrites" is far-fetched and slightly insulting...

Besides, with your logic we shouldn't be able to trade/share other rare items between characters (or any items for that matter). What about everything else we share between characters via the bank, like recipes, crafting materials, ingredients, motifs, items/armor, etc.?

The collectibles don't do anything besides giving you a dye and eventually a title - it's just cosmetic. But being able to share other items that actually "help" in-game is okay? I see that as a double standard.

According to most of the anti change class logic, you shouldn't be able to do that either.

Well, I'm for class change. And race change. And alliance change.

As long as it's done with "smart" limitations, so people don't abuse it and other people don't get peeved and complain about unbalance. (Examples: you're only able to change to imperial race if you have the Imperial Edition, and have a limited number of changes per character, or an extended cooldown period between changes).

Ourorboros · August 2015

trippingchrissy wrote: »

After all that, the only line about the change in the patch notes is "Monster trophies now work more like fishing trophies: when you loot one, you automatically receive achievement credit, rather than having to use it as a separate action."

Won't you get more support tickets now that your only announcement of the change was a short line that doesn't explain it very well in a huge list of patch notes?

Glad you pointed that out. I read most of the patch notes but missed that point...thought they neglected to say anything except fleshy symbiont. So what, now we have to play the game to figure out what changes they actually made? There were patch notes about dozens of changes to things so minor I never even knew they were a problem, and have never seen any posts on them in the forum. Yet an issue important enough to generate multiple threads, including this monster, was barely addressed, leaving us in the dark about what was actually done vs. the proposed changes. Don't do us any favors, Gina. Zos communication at it's finest strikes again.

Sneak_Thief · September 2015

Not happy about the fishing changes either, but damn at least I know where to fish at. Not like everyone knows where every mob is in the game.

Sneak_Thief · September 2015

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Acrolas · September 2015

Customer Service Representative 1: Got a ticket about trophies being bugged.
CSR2: How many is that this week?
CSR1: One.
CSR2: This month?
CSR1: One.
CSR2: I hate my job.
CSR1: Me too. But we're getting laid off soon.
CSR2: We should totally troll these losers. We don't have anything to lose.
CSR1: How?
CSR2: Tell everybody at the meeting how we're getting so many tickets and reports about trophies not working. Just make a huge folder of the same ticket. They're sure to do something crazy that'll tick fans off, and then the fans will blame each other because of the idiots who sent tickets. All three of them.
CSR1: Won't your supervisor notice that they're all the same ticket?
CSR2: No man. She'll sign up on anything. She just co-signed my wife's new Audi last week. But I told her it was a system-wide audit of, like, monsters or something. Audi, audit. Same thing if the T is silent.
CSR1: I like that. Want to ditch work and get drinks?
CSR2: Yeah, let me just "accidentally" delete all these tickets about lag. I'm customer service, not a *** magician.
CSR1: But you kind of are.
CSR2: High five!

I love business satire. No matter how weird you get, it's probably kind of true.
#BankMyCollectibles
#ItsNotSocialistToShare

UrQuan · September 2015

Sneak_Thief wrote: »

Not happy about the fishing changes either, but damn at least I know where to fish at. Not like everyone knows where every mob is in the game.

Yeah, the fishing changes... I preferred it the other way, but it's not such a big deal. By putting in the effort I can get every fish on the character I want to get them on. I don't have to worry about being too high level to catch certain fish.

The change for monster collectibles, though, is really, really bad.

mrskinskull · September 2015

Fissh wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We’d like to provide a little insight and clarification on the upcoming changes to collectibles.

Currently, collectible trophies work differently for those obtained via fishing versus those obtained via monster kills. Fishing trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon item pick-up, whereas monster-kill trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon use. This difference was resulting in a high volume of bug reports and feedback in which players thought the collectible trophies were broken. That combined with the availability being limited by level-range prompted us to make the system more intuitive and uniform. That’s where the upcoming changes come in.

So what do those changes consist of? Here’s a short list:
All collectible trophies will now grant the associated achievement when the item is first looted.

Monster trophies will always drop off appropriate level monsters for your character. A game-wide audit was done to make sure that no matter what level you are, there is always a place you can go to work on collecting the trophy you are looking for.

Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character.

We hope that helps clarify the changes. Please let us know if you have any questions!

Clarify? Yes, in terms of the disparity in the way monster trophies and fishing trophies are used.
HOWERVER, the "Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character" is trivial.
Since this achievement has been introduced, I have enjoyed the hunt while playing ANY toon I want. You see, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, I only play my 'main' for endgame content and new content. The 'main' has been here since launch and has almost every PVEISH achievement there is, except for fishing and monster trophies. ZOS just recently made fishing worth doing. My main fishes, gets achievements AND mats to add my alts in leveling. But why would you make me go farm these monsters on the 'main'? I have enjoyed doing it on my alts, who get to contribute to the monster hunt. It doesn't make me feel that if I want this achievement, I have to "grind" senselessly. There is enough mechanics that make people feel the "grind" already. Why deepen such a play style? My main has it half done by a method of an ENTIRE YEAR, and now some trivial behaviour changes this. There is an argument that some of these type achievements should be account wide, but the go around to the debate is about to "fixed". I can only urge you to revisit this.
For a game that suggests "play as you want", why do I have to change my play style comfort zone EVERY content update?
This is a small complaint, in the grand scheme of things, but for the love of the Divines, LEAVE THE BANKING/TRADING PORTION ALONE. STOP MAKING ME PLAY ON CERTAIN TOONS FOR TRIVIAL REASONS!!!

Which issues are you having problems with?

mrskinskull · September 2015

MissBizz wrote: »

So.. my AD VR14 is currently questing in Alik'r. Where can I get fleshy symboiant? Anyone know spots in Alik'r, Bangkorai, or Craglorn?

I'm anti-grinding. It's boring. Pointless. Ugh.

But I need to grind for that collectible now.

What do you have against grinding?

Grab a beer, kill some monsters, chat with friends in voice chat. Its a great time.

mrskinskull · September 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

And I'd also like to know where to find nix-hounds and kagouti outside of EP (there are plenty of Alit in Khenarthi's Roost)

Apparently the only known source is DSA.

And if that's the place where ZOS's audit told them people need to go to farm that trophy, then this change to how trophies work is total ***. If there's another place where they can actually be reasonably farmed, then maybe the change is OK. That's why I want @ZOS_JessicaFolsom to post the list of where people can go at all levels and all alliances to get each of the monster trophies.

Its gonna nag at me if I can't chase all the trophies down. I must catch them all.

MissBizz · September 2015

mrskinskull wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

So.. my AD VR14 is currently questing in Alik'r. Where can I get fleshy symboiant? Anyone know spots in Alik'r, Bangkorai, or Craglorn?

I'm anti-grinding. It's boring. Pointless. Ugh.

But I need to grind for that collectible now.

What do you have against grinding?

Grab a beer, kill some monsters, chat with friends in voice chat. Its a great time.

I did legitimately try that with some people one night actually. I just could not stand it. I myself do not even know what it is. I love fishing for that very reason - just chill and chat with friends, but killing monsters over and over just does not have the same relaxing casual vibe I guess.

UrQuan · September 2015

MissBizz wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

So.. my AD VR14 is currently questing in Alik'r. Where can I get fleshy symboiant? Anyone know spots in Alik'r, Bangkorai, or Craglorn?

I'm anti-grinding. It's boring. Pointless. Ugh.

But I need to grind for that collectible now.

What do you have against grinding?

Grab a beer, kill some monsters, chat with friends in voice chat. Its a great time.

I did legitimately try that with some people one night actually. I just could not stand it. I myself do not even know what it is. I love fishing for that very reason - just chill and chat with friends, but killing monsters over and over just does not have the same relaxing casual vibe I guess.

Especially if you have to do DSA over and over just to get 2 mobs because they're the only ones in the game that can drop the collectible you're after... Just saying...

Altairien · September 2015

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We’d like to provide a little insight and clarification on the upcoming changes to collectibles.

Currently, collectible trophies work differently for those obtained via fishing versus those obtained via monster kills. Fishing trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon item pick-up, whereas monster-kill trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon use. This difference was resulting in a high volume of bug reports and feedback in which players thought the collectible trophies were broken. That combined with the availability being limited by level-range prompted us to make the system more intuitive and uniform. That’s where the upcoming changes come in.

So what do those changes consist of? Here’s a short list:
All collectible trophies will now grant the associated achievement when the item is first looted.

Monster trophies will always drop off appropriate level monsters for your character. A game-wide audit was done to make sure that no matter what level you are, there is always a place you can go to work on collecting the trophy you are looking for.

Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character.

We hope that helps clarify the changes. Please let us know if you have any questions!

If you had also changed the achievements to account-wide achievements and then restricted the collectibles as you have, then I'd be fine with this. But you didn't so I call foul.

You should've simply changed monster trophy behavior to emulate the existing behavior of fishing trophies. In case you missed it, that's even how the patch note reads!

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Monster trophies now work more like fishing trophies: when you loot one, you automatically receive achievement credit, rather than having to use it as a separate action.

And the patch notes under Fishing... Absolutely nothing about any changes to that system at all. Certainly nothing about a major change like this.

So you converted the entire system to completely new rules. Now I'm stuck with a multitude of fishing trophies on characters that were holding them for a character I have yet to create. It was to be the central part of that character's backstory and that's now shot down in ZOS flames.

There is absolutely no pro-player or even neutral-player reason to have done this. None! Extremely bad move!

P.S. I just checked... My main character has a Fleshy Symbiont trophy that I got literally the day before the patch. I hadn't "used" it yet since my habit is to double check the achievement to see if I already had it. So now it is sitting in my inventory, unusable, and the achievement hasn't updated. You're just adding insult to injury here.

Netizen_of_Tamriel · September 2015

Add me to the lit of people who don't like this change and want it changed back.

UrQuan · September 2015

Netizen_of_Tamriel wrote: »

Add me to the lit of people who don't like this change and want it changed back.

Make sure to submit in-game /feedback or /bug and request a response. When you get an automated form-letter response, reply to it to insist that someone actually address your problems. It's evidently the only way they'll listen to everyone who thinks this is a bad idea - because the reason they supposedly made this change is because a lot of people asked questions about the collectibles, we need to show them that the change results in more people clogging up CS about collectibles, not less.

Netizen_of_Tamriel · September 2015

> Make sure to submit in-game /feedback or /bug and request a response.

Already did.

ForfiniteStories · September 2015

Just make dyes available via other means and we're good. I could care less about achievements.