collectables and the upcomming changes

Divinius · August 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

It's simple. An audit was done to make sure that a character of any level in any alliance has a place they can go to chase any monster collectible. That means that ZOS must have a list of where all of those places are. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please post that list so that we can see where all of those places are. As long as they're all reasonable places to farm the mobs in question, that will make everyone happy.

They won't post it, because I'd bet good money that they are not "reasonable" at all.

UrQuan · August 2015

Divinius wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

It's simple. An audit was done to make sure that a character of any level in any alliance has a place they can go to chase any monster collectible. That means that ZOS must have a list of where all of those places are. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please post that list so that we can see where all of those places are. As long as they're all reasonable places to farm the mobs in question, that will make everyone happy.

They won't post it, because I'd bet good money that they are not "reasonable" at all.

Unfortunately, I strongly suspect that you're right. I'd be willing to bet that the audit was basically just a check of the game files to make sure that mobs of the appropriate level exist somewhere in the game. I'd bet that they didn't look into it any further to see if it was actually reasonably possible to farm those mobs. I hope not, but the only way to know is for them to publish the list so we can see for ourselves.

Khenarthi · August 2015

I agree with @UrQuan above. If I can be reassured I can reasonably collect those items on any of my vet characters regardless of alliance, I'm a happy customer. Please don't put them behind elite content though (vet dungeons etc) not all of us are as nimble as we once were...

AlnilamE · August 2015

I'm confused about some of the fishing comments.

I've always only fished on my main, but while the green fish were bugged and had 0 sell value, Holds-Green-Fish was holding a wide variety of green fish until it was fixed (he made 11k the day it was). I double-checked today and he does not have any credit for those fish. At what point did this start happening?

I personally like the trophy system the way it is now. I don't farm for trophies (though I may make sure a number of mudcrabs die an early death), but when I find one, I first check my main to see if she has it, and if she does, it goes down the ladder to the first alt who needs it.

Right now, I only have the Dwemer Secrets achievement, though I am getting close on one or two others, but I really don't think this is a change that's going to be beneficial.

And I'd also like to know where to find nix-hounds and kagouti outside of EP (there are plenty of Alit in Khenarthi's Roost)

starkerealm · August 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

And I'd also like to know where to find nix-hounds and kagouti outside of EP (there are plenty of Alit in Khenarthi's Roost)

Apparently the only known source is DSA.

UrQuan · August 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

I'm confused about some of the fishing comments.

I've always only fished on my main, but while the green fish were bugged and had 0 sell value, Holds-Green-Fish was holding a wide variety of green fish until it was fixed (he made 11k the day it was). I double-checked today and he does not have any credit for those fish. At what point did this start happening?

Currently the way the trophy fish work is that the character that catches them automatically gains the achievement for them. You can then put the actual fish in your bank and have another character take them out and use them. When you use the fish on your other character, the fish disappears from your inventory, and that character gets the achievement for the fish. If you vendor the fish then the only character that gets the achievement is the one that actually fished it up.

UrQuan · August 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

And I'd also like to know where to find nix-hounds and kagouti outside of EP (there are plenty of Alit in Khenarthi's Roost)

Apparently the only known source is DSA.

And if that's the place where ZOS's audit told them people need to go to farm that trophy, then this change to how trophies work is total ***. If there's another place where they can actually be reasonably farmed, then maybe the change is OK. That's why I want @ZOS_JessicaFolsom to post the list of where people can go at all levels and all alliances to get each of the monster trophies.

Leandor · August 2015

I feel there is a benefit in bringing this discussion back into focus, especially since I am still waiting for an answer to my question.

remedios17 · August 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

It's simple. An audit was done to make sure that a character of any level in any alliance has a place they can go to chase any monster collectible. That means that ZOS must have a list of where all of those places are. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please post that list so that we can see where all of those places are. As long as they're all reasonable places to farm the mobs in question, that will make everyone happy.

lol! don't get your hopes up!

remedios17 · August 2015

Leandor wrote: »

I feel there is a benefit in bringing this discussion back into focus, especially since I am still waiting for an answer to my question.

And you might be waiting for a long time.
At the moment, nix hounds and kagoutis (which have a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE DROP RATE, I am at 1500 kagoutis now - according to red meat in my inventory (on low level alt) and no drop, my boyfriend has 1200, no drop, someone outleveled them on 2 chars just trying to get the achi only killing kagoutis day and night, another guy had to kill 3000+) only drop in DSA for vet EP. So they can be considered group only content.
There is 1 location in AD to farm kwama, but it's pretty crappy. At least it has thunderbugs so you can farm for the razor edged mandible. Got that 3 times already but no kwama collectible. Rest is in group content.
There are 4 ice wraiths in Coldharbour, one is a world boss. Rest is in Cyrodiil - 4 aswell. Good luck.

Pfff.

Vegaroth · August 2015

one more nail to the coffin.....

Khenarthi · August 2015

Yeah... a list of locations from ZOS would be nice. I actually got the chitin accumulator but I'm missing other collectibles that apparently will get locked behind group hard content, or otherwise only accessible to non-vet chars in their home zone. This is not a nice move.

If the devs/customer care got annoyed at bug reports from people that simply did not understand how to use trophies, why not simply update the tooltips to make them idiotproof? If something is not broken though, it does not need fixing.

Artemiisia · August 2015

I sadly think since we haven't heard anything else after the first official reply they will do anything to change it, so Im giving up ever getting these collectibles and urge people to farm erm as quickly as possible if you want erm done before update

WandaMey · August 2015

Artemiisia wrote: »

I sadly think since we haven't heard anything else after the first official reply they will do anything to change it, so Im giving up ever getting these collectibles and urge people to farm erm as quickly as possible if you want erm done before update

I won't farm more today to farm less tomorrow.
I just wont give a sh... to these titles anymore.
thats some long term achievement less to do, which leaves... let me think. I don't like PVP, like most of the people who care about these items, mmmh. . . . . ... well... i suppose listening to Jeremy Soule's music is enough.

Khenarthi · August 2015

Having just read the latest PTS patch notes, it appears that collectibles will be coming to the Crown Store?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

UI
General
Fixed an issue where the Collectible tooltips icon in the Crown Store could overlap the collectible’s name.

eNumbra · August 2015

Khenarthi wrote: »

Having just read the latest PTS patch notes, it appears that collectibles will be coming to the Crown Store?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

UI
General
Fixed an issue where the Collectible tooltips icon in the Crown Store could overlap the collectible’s name.

That's unlikely, the tab though, that houses costumes, pets and mounts is known as "Collections"; it's probably referring to something to do with them.

Khenarthi · August 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Having just read the latest PTS patch notes, it appears that collectibles will be coming to the Crown Store?

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

UI
General
Fixed an issue where the Collectible tooltips icon in the Crown Store could overlap the collectible’s name.

That's unlikely, the tab though, that houses costumes, pets and mounts is known as "Collections"; it's probably referring to something to do with them.

"Collections" and "Collectibles" are difference things. The Crown Store already has a Consumables section along with a Costumes section and many others... I'll wait and see. But with the impossibility of swapping collectible monster trophies between characters I'm sorta hoping they add collectibles to the store at reasonable prices - at least those dies won't be forever locked.

eNumbra · August 2015

Khenarthi wrote: »

"Collections" and "Collectibles" are difference things. The Crown Store already has a Consumables section along with a Costumes section and many others... I'll wait and see. But with the impossibility of swapping collectible monster trophies between characters I'm sorta hoping they add collectibles to the store at reasonable prices - at least those dies won't be forever locked.

If something sits in a category called collections, its a collectible.

But we'll see - making them available for purchase in the crown store would be ridiculous and unlikely considering they were not seen in any of the recent data mines.

Vegaroth · August 2015

dont let die this.... =(

Leggi · August 2015

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We’d like to provide a little insight and clarification on the upcoming changes to collectibles.

We hope that helps clarify the changes. Please let us know if you have any questions!

Dear Jessica!

I've grinded Flesh Atronachs for hours already, with 5 AD toons, with all that dolmens and so on I've killed more than 3k, maybe 4k.
There was no drop cause of your year long bug. And your colleagues told me that Flesh Symbionyte drop would be fixed with the IC patch.

Three questions:
1. Is it finally fixed?
2. Where should I grind now that atronachs with my AD VR14 toon?
3. Can you make at least their droprate higher? That's my last trophy to collect. I've lost the bet cause of your bug,

GTech_1 · August 2015

I'll toss my question back into the mix as well, since it seems this may have been lost in the middle of this thread:

GTech_1 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We’d like to provide a little insight and clarification on the upcoming changes to collectibles.

Currently, collectible trophies work differently for those obtained via fishing versus those obtained via monster kills. Fishing trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon item pick-up, whereas monster-kill trophy collectibles grant the associated achievement upon use. This difference was resulting in a high volume of bug reports and feedback in which players thought the collectible trophies were broken. That combined with the availability being limited by level-range prompted us to make the system more intuitive and uniform. That’s where the upcoming changes come in.

So what do those changes consist of? Here’s a short list:
All collectible trophies will now grant the associated achievement when the item is first looted.

Monster trophies will always drop off appropriate level monsters for your character. A game-wide audit was done to make sure that no matter what level you are, there is always a place you can go to work on collecting the trophy you are looking for.

Collectible trophies can no longer be banked and traded to another character.

We hope that helps clarify the changes. Please let us know if you have any questions!

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
I am very curious about why this was done.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to make all trophies tradeable, so they could then be sold in guild stores?
I believe that doing so would not only encourage the economy, but also give a valid use for them after you have the related achievement credit.

With the changes you mentioned above, after your character has the trophy in question, this rare "collectible" would become vendor trash.

Would you please ask the dev team to review these changes, and consider the long-term ramifications, before fully committing to these changes?

Thanks,
~GTech_1

Fissh · August 2015

Vegaroth wrote: »

dont let die this.... =(

Agreed. Overwhelming number of people oppose this. Hope they are listening.

Leggi · August 2015

remedios17 wrote: »

I am at 1500 kagoutis now

My bosmer toon gained 2.5 Vet levels by killing Kagoutis and Wamasu mostly.

Fissh · August 2015

@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/205110/collectible-trophies-can-no-longer-be-banked-or-traded-to-your-other-characters#latest

Hope you are reading all this.

DaveMoeDee · August 2015

Divinius wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

[*] Monster trophies will always drop off appropriate level monsters for your character. A game-wide audit was done to make sure that no matter what level you are, there is always a place you can go to work on collecting the trophy you are looking for.

Whoo, finally! This makes me so happy.

I'm not sure why this makes you so happy.

She basically just confirmed that you can only get drops from mobs that will give you XP, and NOT from mobs that are too low-level.

True, she did follow that up with a note that confirmed a game audit showed it is "possible" to get the trophies even if you are VR16, she didn't say how easy it was. For all we know, it could be that if you are max level, a certain trophy may only be obtainable from 2 mobs in the very end of a group dungeon somewhere. This is not good news.

Yeah, hopefully we don't have to grind the end of a trial to get a drop.

DaveMoeDee · August 2015

So, based on that other thread, my DC vet character that is going for these achievements just needs the following low level drops before the change does into effect:

Gossamer Winglet - Wasp
DC - *Near Onsi's Breath (Bangkorai)

Flawless Tail Feather - Harpy
DC - *Shrieking Scar (Glenumbra), Near Yldzuun Dungeon (Alik'r Desert), Silverhoof Vale (Rivenspire)

Imp's Effigy - Imp
DC - Near Deleyn's Mill (Glenumbra)

Knotted Heart - Lurcher
DC - Near *Jackdaw Cove (Bangkorai), Chill House (Glenumbra)

I know they did their audit, but I don't know where to go if it isn't in that list in that other thread. I'll have some of my lower level characters do some grinding for any of these that I am missing. Does Bangkorai have any level 45 Wasps?

DaveMoeDee · August 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

And I'd also like to know where to find nix-hounds and kagouti outside of EP (there are plenty of Alit in Khenarthi's Roost)

Apparently the only known source is DSA.

And if that's the place where ZOS's audit told them people need to go to farm that trophy, then this change to how trophies work is total ***. If there's another place where they can actually be reasonably farmed, then maybe the change is OK. That's why I want @ZOS_JessicaFolsom to post the list of where people can go at all levels and all alliances to get each of the monster trophies.

Well, I guess if everything is in DSA, I guess they are covered.

starkerealm · August 2015

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

So, based on that other thread, my DC vet character that is going for these achievements just needs the following low level drops before the change does into effect:

Gossamer Winglet - Wasp
DC - *Near Onsi's Breath (Bangkorai)

Deshaan. Craglorn. Upper Craglorn. Greenshade. Not necessarily in that order.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Flawless Tail Feather - Harpy
DC - *Shrieking Scar (Glenumbra), Near Yldzuun Dungeon (Alik'r Desert), Silverhoof Vale (Rivenspire)

Kenarthi's Roost.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Imp's Effigy - Imp
DC - Near Deleyn's Mill (Glenumbra)

Auridon. Reaper's March.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Knotted Heart - Lurcher
DC - Near *Jackdaw Cove (Bangkorai), Chill House (Glenumbra)

Greenshade. Possibly Malabal Tor or Reaper's March, I can't remember.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I know they did their audit, but I don't know where to go if it isn't in that list in that other thread. I'll have some of my lower level characters do some grinding for any of these that I am missing. Does Bangkorai have any level 45 Wasps?

WhiteCoatSyndrome · August 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

Would a solution to this problem be the addition of a new crafting trait? Perhaps something of a "treasure hunter" trait that increases the drop rate of rare items. It doesn't have to be very much, maybe 1% at common level and increasing 0.5% for each additional improvement. I think it would stop this crying, while at the same time not just handing things out to people.

It's still unfair that some characters have nice farmable areas while other have to work with a handful of mobs in a group instance. But more importantly, think how research works. It would take months of real time to research a new trait on gear - and a mostly useless trait at that. A treasure hunt token/passive instead, maybe? But it still leaves the first problem.

Drop level restrictions on trophy looting. It's the only solution if they want to make them character-bound.

Add it to the existing trait Exploration. It doesn't get much love in the Vet ranks and could use the boost. Though dropping the level restrictions sounds more obvious; why don't they do that already?

trippingchrissy · August 2015

Fruitmass wrote: »

If the problem is that people don't understand the difference in how fishing and monster trophy collectables work leading to mass amounts of erroneous bug reports then wouldn't it be far less problematic for everyone as a whole if, rather than messing around with something that currently actually works (minus Fleshy Symbiont), you perhaps gave some form of tutorial on just how they function and what they do when somebody picks one up for the first time? You bombard us with tutorials on just about every other "so simple you couldn't possibly screw up unless you had brain damage" feature and clearly this is something that needs to be explained to people so just add one and be done with it! This is a user error issue and will sort itself out once people start figuring out how it works. This is not a serious game breaking problem. There are plenty of those to be found else were in the game. You really don't have to mess with this.

Of course they'd just change it rather than explain; they've done it before - enough people were confused (and/or annoyed) by starter islands way back at the beginning that they made new characters start in the main city of their first proper zone, thereby confusing even more people who didn't realize the starter islands even existed, and couldn't figure out why they were underleveled for the content.