collectables and the upcomming changes

Artemiisia

so I heard that with the update 2-0, it will be no longer possible farm collectibles with alts and bank it for our main to get the achievement.

Which will mean, we will only have a small window to actually collect the collectibles, before we out-level the mobs.

So with this change, if I hearing/reading this right, means that my main char will never be able to actually get these collectibles, since some of them drop from lower level mobs only

Seriously ZoS, come on, this really needs some kinda fix, like that collectibles will still be able to drop even with out-leveling them

lucian_banneb18_ESO

What collectibles are you talking about?
Don't they drop in vet areas too?

Artemiisia

the trophies that drop as rare items from creatures

six2fall

Already cant on ps4

starlizard70ub17_ESO

So AD players will never be able to get that fleshy symbiot drop then

QuebraRegra

remind me why I want this trash littering my inventory? Only the one that lights you up has any use for a player identifying themselves in PVP.

R these things good for anything really?

Waffennacht

What is the use in those collectables?

Ourorboros

Artemiisia wrote: »

so I heard that with the update 2-0, it will be no longer possible farm collectibles with alts and bank it for our main to get the achievement.

Which will mean, we will only have a small window to actually collect the collectibles, before we out-level the mobs.

So with this change, if I hearing/reading this right, means that my main char will never be able to actually get these collectibles, since some of them drop from lower level mobs only

Seriously ZoS, come on, this really needs some kinda fix, like that collectibles will still be able to drop even with out-leveling them

If your information is true, I agree with your point. I have only two collectibles left, and one of them I plan to use an alt to grab, since the best farming area is untenable for my main. I used alts to collect a number of the items, and getting the collectible within the drop range can be problematic. Most collectibles are from common creatures available across Tamriel like wolves or mudcrabs. Others are from cousin creatures like thunderbugs and shulks. Where it gets thorny is when the collectible only drops in one alliance or in very small numbers, such as nix-hounds. If use of the bank to swap collectibles from alts will no longer be possible, then all collectibles should be available from some creature in EVERY alliance. There is precedence for this: jackals were added to Craglorn. Why the rest of the collectibles were not addressed at the same time is puzzling. As it stands, using an alt is often the best way to get certain collectibles, and many collectibles are only available at veteran levels and REQUIRE access to Caldwell Silver AND gold. If wolves and mudcrabs can exist throughout Tamriel, why cannot ALL other collectible creatures, even if in related creatures, like thunderbugs and shulks? Little feedback to the developers would be appreciated @ZOS_GaryA .

traigusb14_ESO2

The monster hunting trophies and title.

They are all possible now, but some are really really inconvenient to try and grind.

For Example EP can only get Nix hound drop in group dungeons and Dragonstar (hard to grind) because the zones they are normally found in are all pre-50. if you don't get lucky at low level, it is reaaaaaaly hard to get.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

For those who are wondering what the collectables are for. If you get a set of them, like dwemer, undead, etc, they unlock a new dye for you.

Ourorboros

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starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

So AD players will never be able to get that fleshy symbiot drop then

There are other areas to find Flesh Atronachs, but none like Malabal Tor. Next best is probably Cold Harbor public dungeon

starkerealm

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

The monster hunting trophies and title.

They are all possible now, but some are really really inconvenient to try and grind.

For Example EP can only get Nix hound drop in group dungeons and Dragonstar (hard to grind) because the zones they are normally found in are all pre-50. if you don't get lucky at low level, it is reaaaaaaly hard to get.

Monster Hunter isn't actually an issue. You still get achievement advancement if you get the last hit on a critter type you're missing. Even if you don't get XP for the kill.

With collectables, they really need to exist as drops on the overlevel list, stay tradable, or apply account wide. There isn't really a middle ground on this one.

Maotti

Trying to understand Zenimax logic is like trying to understand the logic behind a Daedric Prince, best not to!

Enodoc

Where was it said that you could no longer do "bank transfer" with them? I just thought they were changing it to be automatic and they no longer had to be activated to count.

Troneon

IF they are doing what you say then they need to give other ways of getting these items no matter what level they are, otherwise it's just another fail thing in the game...

Teiji

Another player-friendly quality of life change.

Nice.

starkerealm

Enodoc wrote: »

Where was it said that you could no longer do "bank transfer" with them? I just thought they were changing it to be automatic and they no longer had to be activated to count.

If they're still consumed on use that would be similar, with a slight twist on the annoying range, because if you were trying to farm up collectables on an alt, it would mean you'd now need two. If they've changed them to work like rare fish? Then no harm no foul.

Malediktus

I agree. Levelling up should not prevent you from completing achievements, especially not trophy collection achievements.

This is the same crap as the bugged eidetic memory. Why implement something if you are uncompassionate about it?

starkerealm

Okay, I just checked on the PTS, these are bound to character and you cannot deposit them.

starkerealm

Same with rare fish. Those are now bound to character.

Enodoc

starkerealm wrote: »

Okay, I just checked on the PTS, these are bound to character and you cannot deposit them.

starkerealm wrote: »

Same with rare fish. Those are now bound to character.

Ah, thanks for checking. I must say that while I don't like the change, I do agree with it. Achievements are character-based, so it was wrong for one character to do something and another character to get the credit for it. Wrong, but very useful...

starkerealm

Enodoc wrote: »

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starkerealm wrote: »

Okay, I just checked on the PTS, these are bound to character and you cannot deposit them.

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starkerealm wrote: »

Same with rare fish. Those are now bound to character.

Ah, thanks for checking. I must say that while I don't like the change, I do agree with it. Achievements are character-based, so it was wrong for one character to do something and another character to get the credit for it. Wrong, but very useful...

At the same time this effectively locks characters out of achievements for decisions made months or (in my case) over a year ago. By not grinding for that Nix Hound piece... and if I don't farm it up on my Dominion alt in the next couple weeks, I will never be able to get the achievement on that character.

Now, if they've changed the drop behavior for collectables so they ARE on the overlevel list, that's different... and I haven't tested that. But, without that, it will actually make some of those achievements effectively impossible to obtain for characters in some factions. Again, the Pact's Nix Hounds are a major example.

traigusb14_ESO2

Enodoc wrote: »

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starkerealm wrote: »

Okay, I just checked on the PTS, these are bound to character and you cannot deposit them.

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starkerealm wrote: »

Same with rare fish. Those are now bound to character.

Ah, thanks for checking. I must say that while I don't like the change, I do agree with it. Achievements are character-based, so it was wrong for one character to do something and another character to get the credit for it. Wrong, but very useful...

They are already like this on Xbox.

if you take them out of bank you can't put them back in.

Several of them are bugged.

Durzog hide and Giant snake egg don't count for me even though they are in my inventory

starkerealm

Well, I guess I know what I'm doing in game for the next couple weeks.

@Enodoc sorry if that seemed like I was taking your head off there. I am understandably not thrilled with this change, since I'd triaged out this particular achievement set for someday after never.

Artemiisia

yeah so this chance will make it seriously impossible to even grind after update, I know some of my friends that are true achievement hunters right now, dont do anything else then grind collectibles for the sheer dreading of the update.

they really need if this gonna happen, be account wide, since lets say the crypt jar good luck getting that one, if u haven't already have it, or Wrath Shackle just to name a couple

traigusb14_ESO2

starkerealm wrote: »

Well, I guess I know what I'm doing in game for the next couple weeks.

@Enodoc sorry if that seemed like I was taking your head off there. I am understandably not thrilled with this change, since I'd triaged out this particular achievement set for someday after never.

As a positive, these seem to drop a lot more often on Xbox then they did on the PC.

My Xbox VR 12 has more than my PC leveled VR14 and VR 8 combined (note my VR 14 hit VR 14 before they actually started dropping on live, but has been actively hunting them... and my VR 8 was created afterwards and did not get many as he leveled).

Enodoc

starkerealm wrote: »

Well, I guess I know what I'm doing in game for the next couple weeks.

@Enodoc sorry if that seemed like I was taking your head off there. I am understandably not thrilled with this change, since I'd triaged out this particular achievement set for someday after never.

Not at all, I completely agree that if they are making this change, they need to adjust the items so that they will drop at any level, like crafting mats do.

s7732425ub17_ESO

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

So AD players will never be able to get that fleshy symbiot drop then

You will be happy to know that these now drop in the new IC group dungeons!!!

Mighty_oakk

They should just make it so they drop off any appropriate mob regardless of lvl difference.

Malediktus

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

They should just make it so they drop off any appropriate mob regardless of lvl difference.

Sounds like a good solution

Czeri

This change makes unlocking the dyes almost impossible considering how rare the trophy drops are. Most of the ones I've managed to gather I only got once despite having 8 characters, 5 veteran level. Thanks to the current system I made sure only one character was using the trophies any of my alts found, but I still only unlocked 3 dyes so far.