UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So what exactly are you wanting to inspect lol

How many exploits that player is employing would be good info to have. Failing that it might be nice to know how many cp that player you're fighting has, it might change the way you feel about the outcome. You can always ask them I suppose, but they can choose not to be truthful. More transparency can only be a good thing for the majority in the long run I reckon.

kuscoe wrote: »

Y'all keep bitching about elitism and *** but the fact of the matter is this...

A group of terribly geared players will either spend hours in a dungeon trying to complete it failing and getting frustrated with themselves and their team mates

A group of decently geared players (that have actually put thought into what they are wearing and their build) will spend a half hour in a dungeon possibly more depending on the dungeo. They might be challenged (again depending on the dungeon) but they will have fun because they wont be frustrated that people aren't "pulling their weight"

A group of Meta players will absolutely crush a dungeon and it will be fun and quick (can get repetitive however) they will do it with ease and they can move on to the next thing they would like to do

I don't see why anyone would want to have to suffer through a dungeon because your group is unable to complete it because they didn't put the time in to gear and understand their builds... I understand some of the privacy points of view but any other I do not see any others

I REST MY CASE.

Kammakazi wrote: »

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So people like you can't copy my build.

Taylor21554 wrote: »

Blackhorne wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

Why can't we inspect others?

You need to get to know them first! Take them out to dinner, etc.

Taylor21554 wrote: »

likelolwhat wrote: »

Yes, it is. Inspection brings the worst out in fanatical gamers. The rest of us will never be able to even PUG again if such a thing happens. Say goodbye to ANY kind of cooperation, which is kind of a good thing in MMOs, no?

Okay, but if i inspect a healing templar, and his gear is all stamina based and is wielding a restoration staff and he is my healer for dungeon, arent I morally obligated to say "hey bro what's going on with your gear, you said you were healing"?

No, for 2 reasons.

1. This example is begging the question: it presumes you're morally entitled to inspect another player in the first place. I have no problem with a "share build" function where a player could allow another player to see their build (you can already do that via chat anyway; it's just not efficient.) But if a player does not wish to share non-obvious details of their build, that is their right.
2. It also presumes you know their role and build better than they do. Your obvious example is obvious (way too obvious, in fact), but what if they have the gear you'd use with one variance, or two? At what level of divergence from your way of playing do you suddenly have the right or responsibility to criticize their playing choices?

You only get the right and responsibility to critique another player's choices when they ask for your critique.

Never said I was going to be critique'ing everyone but yeah just like how your seeing the bad in it, I'm seeibg the good it in. I just want to help them play better with the appropriate gear. now since I help them will be happier when they play and actually realize the game is fun because they're geared properlyso if someone ever told them that their gear sucked and they had no idea how they are playing was wrong they would probably eventually quit the game and vos would lose a game subscription and gain subscriptions mean money

Again, it is *your* opinion on what the "appropriate" gear is supposed to be. If I want to run with all medium, and you keep insisting that I should have all heavy, you are ruining my enjoyment of the game by trying to force me to play your way. If you try to tell me my gear sucks because x/y/z, but I've done just fine up to vet rank, why should I listen to you? How can I be playing "wrong" if I'm having fun and enjoying the game?

I really hate to tell you this, but I would have to care about your opinion before it would matter to me at all whether you thought my gear sucked, or that I was playing the game "wrong", whatever that means. I would never quit playing a game I'm enjoying and having fun with because a random elitist know it all told me I was playing the game wrong and my gear sucked.

kuscoe wrote: »

A group of Meta players will absolutely crush a dungeon and it will be fun and quick (can get repetitive however) they will do it with ease and they can move on to the next thing they would like to do

I completely disagree. The metagame is not the best and there are plenty of ways to trump it and have fun doing things your way at the same time. Don't ever let the metagame brainwash you into thinking your way is no way because it's a lie, just like pie.

IKilled007 wrote: »

I've always been of the opinion that more information/more knowledge is preferable to less. When someone talks limiting our access to information because we can't be trusted with it, I know I've encountered a tyrant of some sort. We should never be afraid of information -- it's just a tool.

Except that many would use this information to BECOME tyrants. Don't believe me? Several of the people in this thread are already taking on extremely elitist attitudes -- saying that they just want to 'help' us. Well, isn't that patronizing? I'm doing just fine, thank you.

If I have a problem with my build/gear/whatever I will ASK about it because I will be tired of dying so damn much. It is downright loony to put that cart before the horse.

or as I said at the beginning of this thread you can use your words (text in PC) and ask someone about their build and if they don't want to share it they don't have to. Please don't give people another tool to exclude others it is already bad enough that we HAVE to have a team to do some quests without adding **** like this to make it that much harder to live up to some peoples perfectionism. Not everyone is perfect just deal with it!

WoW had/has a lot of toxic, elitist players due to inspection... although optional, I wouldn't mind. I once made a crap topic about this, in favor of this idea... but I weren't really thinking.

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

So players do not go through the rigmarole of being excluded, because they do not have the latest meta build, right type of armor, etc.

This.
/thread

Nope, this:

IKilled007 wrote: »

I've always been of the opinion that more information/more knowledge is preferable to less. When someone talks limiting our access to information because we can't be trusted with it, I know I've encountered a tyrant of some sort. We should never be afraid of information -- it's just a tool.

/thread

A tool that will certainly be used for evil. See elitist and patronizing views expressed earlier in the thread. As I and many others have stated over and over again.

I play MMOs since 1999 and maybe for half a century I even played WoW. I am suspicious to "gear score" and so called elitism attitudes like others here too...

...but after several pretty unfortunate random groups, I am not that hostile anymore for some sort of inspect tool, because simple truth is...it spoils my personal fun and there are guys here in this game who don't care for my fun, so why should I care for their so called "right" to hide at least their stats ?

It's true that this game gives the most freedom for builds and gear setups in compare to any MMO I played formerly (and I like that), but some people do not seem to understand the difference between PvP, PvE, single player gaming (leveling/grinding) and group play in a gold instance or trial group.

It's so easy to get some appropriate gear for a group role in this game, just by using purple crafted gear you are usually totally competitive. Nobody - me included - really cares that you placed every CP according the newest number crunching fashion, but it won't work without any adaption.

The possibility to inspect someone's gear will not be the super solution to prevent all group havocs, but it's at least an indication that someone knows at least the basics about the fact that there are roles and magicka and stamina builds in this game and that it matters a lot which one you wanne play and for which one you gear for. See it as a statistical selection. There will be still guys out there who think it's a great idea to play a vampire (I have no issue with - even as a healer), while being not able to move out of the fire.

My play time is limited, although I can be pretty patient, but to be honest...I don't have the patience to explain after several wipes not just the boss/encounter mechanisms, but in addition basics like gear and build setups too...and that via chat in a foreign language. All the information you need is available by internet search, google is your friend and maybe it's important to read at least the tool tips of your skills once...

You think that sounds exaggerated ? Maybe, but it does not explain that there are still people out there who

-do not move out of red circles
-have 16k health buffed on VR14
-think that using a 2handed weapon in mostly heavy armor will pull them to the top of the AoE damage list
-think that attacking a shadow, which chains a player to the ground in a VR14 gold pledge (Fungus Cave, first boss), just by light attack spam, might be sufficient

Personally, I am very glad, that there are still a few bosses in gold pledges around which are able to function as some sort of test, be it the first boss in Fungus Cave gold pledge (dps or stun or maybe wipe), be it the second last (lovely red circle training), be it the second last boss in the crypt gold pledge (roll out right or forget your no death run) or the last boss in there (great training for blocking, avoiding red circles and dps and healing). I damned love the Netch in Darkshade Caverns (AoE and sustain test) and of course the last boss too. On the other side...it's pretty frustrating (for all in a group) if the lack in some department becomes first obvious after 15 minutes.

hope they never make it possible, i will never share my epic upper pro awesomenes build with ppl like you

BuggeX wrote: »

hope they never make it possible, i will never share my epic upper pro awesomenes build with ppl like you

I know you're only jesting, but I don't believe many people can lay claim to "their build". Most people just run slightly personalised versions of the few viable builds there are from each class. I'm not undermining theorycrafting, there are many players great at this, but people end up coming to the same conclusions for the most part. There's not a huge amount of uniqueness out there.

Taylor21554 wrote: »

HEY SIR, YOUR TRUCK DOESN'T USE DIESEL, IT USED REGULAR UNLEADED.

Regular! She needs premium, dude! Premiuuuuuum!

I mean DSA can be soloed, my guild can run vr12+ pledges with vr1's, yeah it's a little more challenging but that's why it is fun... btw we are a social guild that focuses as much on pvp and rp as we do on dungeons, not elite min/maxers....the game is pretty easy you could probably heal vr dungeons with a Stam NB, and be just fine.