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invisibility tactics
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Ok... New to vet pvp. How do i find invisible enemies? Stealthy nightblades been ganking me left and right. How do i defend? Better yet when i recover, how do i find the buggers?
Vet 7, stam dragon knight here.
What skills or utilities can help?
Vet 7, stam dragon knight here.
What skills or utilities can help?
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Poxheart✭✭✭✭✭Nightblades will tell you to use area of effect skills like caltrops or cinderstorm.
But really what you need to do is go to an alchemy stand and mix some cornflower & wormwood (and water hyacinth if you want a bump to your weapon crit).Unsubbed and no longer playing, but still checking the Alliance War forum for the lulz.
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DeanTheCat✭✭✭✭✭You have a few options:
1) Radiant Magelight: This ability summons an orb that negates the stealth attack bonus damage from sneak as well as the stun from said attack. In addition, you'll be able see stealthed or invisible enemies in a 10m radius around you, as well as providing spell crit.
2) Detection Potions: Made from Wormwood, Corn Flower and either Water Hyacinth or Lady's Smock, this potion provides a 15 second (In 1.7, 40 in 1.6) of being able see stealthed or invisible enemies in a 20m radius around you.
3) Any AoE: Any AoE pulls stealthers from sneak (Nightblades are not the only class sneaking you know) and Nightblades from cloak. Revealing Flare has the added benifit of preventing them from re-entering stealth for 8 seconds after being hit by it.Dean the Cat
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This one does not advocate for any class to be nerfed. There are far deeper underlying issues then a simple "Class Imbalance". The Champion System is the problem. Not classes.
Please read this before creating yet another nerf thread.
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saintmurray✭✭✭If you're high enough pvp rank throw calrops out around where you are fighting. Should flush them out a bit.Saintmurray-V14-Bamplar-EP Former Emp Haderus
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Remember you can sneak yourself. A nightblade(or anyone else for that matter) can only jump you if he knows you're there.
If you don't want to sneak, travel in a group with other friendly players.1 -
Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Since you are stamina and propably built for melee range, radiant magelight morph would be your best/cheapest bet unless you want/have gold for detection pots
Radiant magelight is a lifesaver when traveling with the reduced sneak damage.EU | PC0 -
Eejit1331✭✭✭If you are traveling from keep to keep, there is nothing you can do as you can't spam AOE's on a horse or is there any detect ability that a nightblade can't stay out of range, so until they balance how OP Cloak is, run as a group, defend and don't go into open areas as there is not a lot a single person can do against a good gank squad. The only class that can run solo is NB as if they are ganked and skilled enough that NB can just simply hit their I-win button and Cloak away. NB aren't OP because they can attack from cloak, but they are OP because they can escape any fight at anytime and go places all other classes cannot, if they have half a brain. Non NB must change their play style to that classes strength or roll NB.0
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Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭If you are traveling from keep to keep, there is nothing you can do as you can't spam AOE's on a horse or is there any detect ability that a nightblade can't stay out of range, so until they balance how OP Cloak is, run as a group, defend and don't go into open areas as there is not a lot a single person can do against a good gank squad. The only class that can run solo is NB as if they are ganked and skilled enough that NB can just simply hit their I-win button and Cloak away. NB aren't OP because they can attack from cloak, but they are OP because they can escape any fight at anytime and go places all other classes cannot, if they have half a brain. Non NB must change their play style to that classes strength or roll NB.
LOL. OP. yea ok. Considering every.single.damaging.ability breaks cloak and as a Stam NB I have maybe 4 good casts of it (if it even works), it def does NOT feel OP. It actually takes skill to get away from a competent player/group. My advice is play as a NB and learn the best spots to retreat to. That way when you play a NON NB class you can head to those same hiding spots and eventually catch them out of cloak. Cloak is literally what makes NB its own class considering they are SUPPOSED to go invisible. It's up to the enemy player to figure out how to counter that, because lets face it, there are TONS of counters to cloak.
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Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If you are traveling from keep to keep, there is nothing you can do as you can't spam AOE's on a horse or is there any detect ability that a nightblade can't stay out of range, so until they balance how OP Cloak is, run as a group, defend and don't go into open areas as there is not a lot a single person can do against a good gank squad. The only class that can run solo is NB as if they are ganked and skilled enough that NB can just simply hit their I-win button and Cloak away. NB aren't OP because they can attack from cloak, but they are OP because they can escape any fight at anytime and go places all other classes cannot, if they have half a brain. Non NB must change their play style to that classes strength or roll NB.
They can slot radiant magelight, specially on horseback.
A 20k snipe from a pure glass cannon will then hit for 10k or less. And most gankers don't hit those numbers.
If its a group of them, then you're supposed to be [snip] if you are solo. Or any other class who jumps you in group.
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✭✭✭✭✭the fact that your a vet 7 and probably low on champion points is really the only reason im going to think your dying as a dragonight.
get to vet 14 and atleast 200 champion points and you wont be dying at all, ever.0 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭AoE stuff will generally pull folks out of cloak/invisibility.
Talons for a DK.... added bonus of holding them in place so you can attack them.
Velocious Curse for a sorc ... and it has the added bonus of not triggering (or costing) if there is no one there.
If you get high enough in alliance, Caltrops (of course).
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DracoBeowulf✭✭✭Thanks guys! New stuff to play around with. I dont need to beat everyone, but i do want to be able to see the person who is kicking my ass lolXbox One Gamertag: WITHGODNOW
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CapnPhoton✭✭✭✭✭Then people learn common routes people take when they are doing a town's quests and sit there and wait for them. They camp out invis and just jump people running by...like FPS games.Xbox One NA Aldmeri Dominion0 -
DracoBeowulf✭✭✭CapnPhoton wrote: »Then people learn common routes people take when they are doing a town's quests and sit there and wait for them. They camp out invis and just jump people running by...like FPS games.
But atleast in fps it doesnt take 5 min to run back lolXbox One Gamertag: WITHGODNOW
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CapnPhoton✭✭✭✭✭DracoBeowulf wrote: »CapnPhoton wrote: »Then people learn common routes people take when they are doing a town's quests and sit there and wait for them. They camp out invis and just jump people running by...like FPS games.
But atleast in fps it doesnt take 5 min to run back lol
It was happening to me a lot with people probably just trying to rack up kills. Then I started to take a less direct route to things and it stopped.
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JDar✭✭✭✭✭In addition to what else has been posted here, I recommend keeping Igneous Shield up at all times.
I know that having to cast shield spells every 20 seconds isn't a fun game mechanic but that is how you win in Cyrodiil these days.Edited by JDar on August 28, 2015 5:28AM0 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »AoE stuff will generally pull folks out of cloak/invisibility.
Talons for a DK.... added bonus of holding them in place so you can attack them.
Velocious Curse for a sorc ... and it has the added bonus of not triggering (or costing) if there is no one there.
If you get high enough in alliance, Caltrops (of course).
Wait a minute... are you saying randomly hitting Velocious Curse will land on any stealthed enemy NB who is in range, presumably in the direction your camera is facing?
Maybe I misunderstand...
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Dreizopf✭✭✭When I attack with a channel attack (i.e. lightning destro staff, normal resto staff attack) some pvp enemies are able to sneak away during the channel cast.
A NB is using cloak I think, but how can DK, Sorc, Templar sneak away, I am sure I have seen too doing so?
Edited by Dreizopf on August 28, 2015 9:27AMMan sollte sagen, was man meint. Wenn man nicht sagt, was man meint, dann meint man nicht, was man sagt.
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✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »AoE stuff will generally pull folks out of cloak/invisibility.
Talons for a DK.... added bonus of holding them in place so you can attack them.
Velocious Curse for a sorc ... and it has the added bonus of not triggering (or costing) if there is no one there.
If you get high enough in alliance, Caltrops (of course).
Wait a minute... are you saying randomly hitting Velocious Curse will land on any stealthed enemy NB who is in range, presumably in the direction your camera is facing?
Maybe I misunderstand...
You can't cloak curse away, so cast it everytime you see him.. It's annoying as f* as NB since the dmg will break it.R.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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k2blader✭✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »AoE stuff will generally pull folks out of cloak/invisibility.
Talons for a DK.... added bonus of holding them in place so you can attack them.
Velocious Curse for a sorc ... and it has the added bonus of not triggering (or costing) if there is no one there.
If you get high enough in alliance, Caltrops (of course).
Wait a minute... are you saying randomly hitting Velocious Curse will land on any stealthed enemy NB who is in range, presumably in the direction your camera is facing?
Maybe I misunderstand...
You can't cloak curse away, so cast it everytime you see him.. It's annoying as f* as NB since the dmg will break it.
Ahh, I was aware of that, but what the fellow had typed above sounded a bit different (and totally bonkers if it worked that way). Anyhow, thanks. :-D
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Wait a minute... are you saying randomly hitting Velocious Curse will land on any stealthed enemy NB who is in range, presumably in the direction your camera is facing?
Maybe I misunderstand...
That is what it seems to be doing for me in Cyrodiil. I'm not sure if it's only hidden and not stealthed, but sometimes it triggers and someone is there, and sometimes I hit the key on my bar and no one is there and nothing happens.
Conversely any use of Talons does trigger and cost magicka, even if no one is there.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis1 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »Wait a minute... are you saying randomly hitting Velocious Curse will land on any stealthed enemy NB who is in range, presumably in the direction your camera is facing?
Maybe I misunderstand...
That is what it seems to be doing for me in Cyrodiil. I'm not sure if it's only hidden and not stealthed, but sometimes it triggers and someone is there, and sometimes I hit the key on my bar and no one is there and nothing happens.
Conversely any use of Talons does trigger and cost magicka, even if no one is there.
Hmm, maybe they happen to be unhidden for that moment that you hit Curse so it lands on them. Whatever the case I'm intrigued.. lol
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Well....
So far I've NOT yet had someone suddenly jump out of where I've attempted to cast a curse and not had it trigger.
I hope that sentance made sense.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
k2blader✭✭✭✭✭What I have found is if an NB cloaks I can still cast Inevitable Detonation on him when he is cloaked. I think it's a known issue (?) that single target casts will hit a cloaked NB, which I heard is supposed to be fixed in the IC update. I guess I never noticed if Curse will land on a cloaked NB too. If that's what's happening it would make a bit more sense to me.
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BalgusFlinn✭✭✭When I attack with a channel attack (i.e. lightning destro staff, normal resto staff attack) some pvp enemies are able to sneak away during the channel cast.
A NB is using cloak I think, but how can DK, Sorc, Templar sneak away, I am sure I have seen too doing so?
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Dreizopf✭✭✭BalgusFlinn wrote: »When I attack with a channel attack (i.e. lightning destro staff, normal resto staff attack) some pvp enemies are able to sneak away during the channel cast.
A NB is using cloak I think, but how can DK, Sorc, Templar sneak away, I am sure I have seen too doing so?
Invisibility porions
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Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »AoE stuff will generally pull folks out of cloak/invisibility.
Talons for a DK.... added bonus of holding them in place so you can attack them.
Velocious Curse for a sorc ... and it has the added bonus of not triggering (or costing) if there is no one there.
If you get high enough in alliance, Caltrops (of course).
Wait a minute... are you saying randomly hitting Velocious Curse will land on any stealthed enemy NB who is in range, presumably in the direction your camera is facing?
Maybe I misunderstand...
You can't cloak curse away, so cast it everytime you see him.. It's annoying as f* as NB since the dmg will break it.
This. Cast it everytime the previous curse explodes
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josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭A cheap trick if you're trying to flush out stealthers in your keep after a defense/offense (or something like that) is to go into stealth yourself and watch for a half-open eye. If you can't see any enemies, then a stealthed enemy is near your detection radius.
Ironically, this tactic works best for people who are not good at stealth.1