Lettigall wrote: »

Addon macros are no no but mouse/keyboard macros are good to use!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/200723/request-for-clarification-usage-of-addons-that-perform-multiple-actions-out-of-combat/p1

According to the official response in that thread:

ZOS_MollyH wrote: »

Hi @Leandor ,

Macros and addons that allow players to automate and perform multiple actions with a single keystroke is a violation of our Terms of Service. All examples you provided do fall under automation, and as such are not allowed via our Terms of Service.

Keyboard and Mouse macros are a no no as well.

Im not a macroer, I dont even know entirely what that is. But I get whispered like once a day that I am "a filthy macroer". People find the easiest excuse for their inadequate pvp skill. IMO those cheataccusers is almost on the same page as those that actually cheat.

Macros are cheese on toast. So are all the baby mode add ons . Yknow telling when to dodge or execute etc. For this reason I'm glad I'm on console. Macros were a banning offense in dcuo but they only gave pcplayers a pve edge pvp had a counter system that punished using the wrong move at the wrong time rendering macro users useless . No such system exists here and for that reason I'm so glad I don't pvp on PC . Is every good player using them ? Ofc not but it'd be very silly to claim no one does . In a game where animation cancelling is a thing and with no punishment for use macro users are king (in theory)

Kobaal wrote: »

Lettigall wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

Lettigall wrote: »

Addon macros are no no but mouse/keyboard macros are good to use!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/200723/request-for-clarification-usage-of-addons-that-perform-multiple-actions-out-of-combat/p1

According to the official response in that thread:

ZOS_MollyH wrote: »

Hi @Leandor ,

Macros and addons that allow players to automate and perform multiple actions with a single keystroke is a violation of our Terms of Service. All examples you provided do fall under automation, and as such are not allowed via our Terms of Service.

Keyboard and Mouse macros are a no no as well.

When I asked to support(back in middle of January) is it ok to use mouse/keyboard macros I got answer that it is perfectly legal. But addon macros are confirmed illegal, unfortunately @ZOS_MollyH didn't responded about mouse/keyboard macros.

I think ZOS don't have clear stance about mouse/keyboard macros and it's not like you gonna get banned for using them, even serous exploits get ignored by them.

Maybe I'm missing something here.

What do they need to clarify? They said No Macros. If they say Macro's are a no no then that means all Macros are a no no. KB and Mouse Macros are.... Macros.

Keyboard and mouse macro's are a no no since you can "automate" multiple attacks with a single key. I mean the whole point of Macro's being not allowed is because they give an unfair advantage and its considered cheating. So using your KB macro so that you can toggle magelight + Snipe + Poison Injection + Switch weapon + Crit Rush + Executioner all by pressing one button is cheating and not allowed.

By the logic and CoD you are right but logic isn't ZOS strongest side and they have tendency to turn a blind eye on exploits.

there are people who macro and thats just a fact.. you can get off 4 things with only 1 button and 0 effort apart from the making of the macro..

i know people who told me they use it and say how ridiculous it is.. on ts we usually whine about it and those that tryed it just say not to use it as its just lame.. but unfortunatly there are bunch of turds that even get emp while doing the macroing non-stop and they just get away with it..

see enemy>press 1 button>4 things happen at the same time>enemy dead before they could react>game over

fun stuff.. really

I'd like to repeat my as of yet unanswered question from page one:

Leandor wrote: »

A question for the "1.3 second global cooldown" faction: Are Harness Magicka and Hardened Ward on the same 1.3 second cooldown?

There is a purpose to the question, so could anyone enlighten me about it?

Don't see why anyone would even need to use macros in a game where you can use only 10 abilities.

melodeath wrote: »

TheBonesXXX wrote: »

Macro'ers exist in every game, so does the ability to buy a mouse and keyboard that is timed perfect with the CG of the skills and produce exactly the same results.

You may consider X1 or PS4 where the only thing effecting you is internet connection and microseconds in lag, not to mention there are no add-ons either, so a player has to actually play the game and not run a prog to tell them how to play.

so by that logic every athlete should be getting steroids aswell.. because you know.. everyone can buy steroids

I don't know where you pulled the notion that every athlete should buy steroids because I noted availability of certain gaming products, keyboards and mouses do not enhance the game the same way steroids temporarily enhance the human body.

I do not care for macros myself, so I moved over to X1.

I can understand being able to weave light/medium attacks like a pro, but sometimes it seems a little too pro.

I was more focused on the fact that players were flying in this video. So sorry I didn't look at the recap. I'm aware this rock was bugged. At 0:22, I believe I was macro'd. Someone please explain whether or not I was just wrecked from stealth for over 20k, or if I was hit simultaneously with several attacks. Because if you listen closely, I hear multiple hits all at once.

youtube.com/watch?v=2joXr9CYcds

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

The kinds of folks who like to think they are skilled will always go well out of their way trumpeting that to the heavens and justifying whatever they do to win. CPs aside, I'd rather just play in a landscape where there can be real fun to be had thanks to knowing no one's cheating because they're not able to.

I agree totally. The issue is mostly the "kind of folks" are idiot kids or the unemployed losers, people that get esteem from a game are never good barometers of anything.

I only comment on the issue because I would much rather a balanced battlefield with active policing of it than a bunch of self aggrandizing losers claiming everything is fine and there is nothing to see regarding the blatant exploitationism that is what they have strived to make the game into.

My guess is the participation trophy generation is totally ok with whatever makes them a "winner".

To be on the same page with a fellow player, how nice!! :-)

I feel if the cheating doesn't get any better (people are prevented from it-- FIX BUGS ZENI-- and also punished for it), there's no reason to keep playing much except for social reasons. Much of the PvP community is awful right now: not helpful/compassionate, quick to troll or esteem themselves above those who don't play as much as they do. I don't think they get it's a game and it's in everyone's best interest to have as many people continuing to play as possible. Well. It's up to Zeni at this point.

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

They should track the ability timing because no human can time their abilities so exact everytime, if there is a returning patern of the same exact skills with the same exact timing you should be banned.

Except of course, pretty much every single musician does precisely that any time they perform. At the same time, it's trivial programming task to write macros with slight variations in timing between [ability] and [light attack] to obfuscate the automation from this sort of review.

Human ability is being grossly undervalued, and the benefits of automation are being greatly overvalued, in this conversation. The top PvPers should beat any "macroer" in pretty much every encounter. The rest of us mortals may be falling victim to scripts, but it is more likely that we're dying from ZOS's poor PvP design, and bad assumptions than anything else. Bugs, lag, and CP differentials aside, the main problem is that Cyrodiil has a TTK suited for a small battleground or arena, where one can get back into the action in around 30 seconds, and not one appropriate for large-scale PvP.

Be careful what you wish for in this witch hunt. If you have your way, most of the bans would fall on the innocent while the people that are really cheating will never get tapped.

Sithisvoid wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

I can understand being able to weave light/medium attacks like a pro, but sometimes it seems a little too pro.

I was more focused on the fact that players were flying in this video. So sorry I didn't look at the recap. I'm aware this rock was bugged. At 0:22, I believe I was macro'd. Someone please explain whether or not I was just wrecked from stealth for over 20k, or if I was hit simultaneously with several attacks. Because if you listen closely, I hear multiple hits all at once.

youtube.com/watch?v=2joXr9CYcds

No point in saying anything because you didn't toggle the recap. If you had you would see what hit you. To me looks like a surprise attack i see my friends one shot ppl with it all the time.

Well, if there was no point in me saying anything.. why did you feel like you needed to respond to me?

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TheBull wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

People tend to take the path of least resistance. And cheating in online games in general is really widespread.

When Joe Average sees that instead of mastering the timing of landing wrecking blow, surprise attack, light attack and soul harvest at exactly the same time, he can just program a macro to do it for him at the push of a button regardless of how distracted he might be in the hectic PvP combat, why would he not do it?

If you see, out of all the nightblades you face every day, one that seems to get the sequence right with robotic perfection, every single time he attacks you, no matter what circumstances or how pressured he is, chances are, you just met Joe Average.

Yes, there is a possibility that guy was just exceptionally good. But when you see more 'exceptionally good' guys that you never heard of before popping up like mushrooms every day? See first sentence.

And he has 1000 cps too! Come on. That's ridiculous to say. On top of that the sequence you used isn't even remotely optimal. There's not even an animation cancel/weave in there. Forgive me but you are making my point about a lack of understanding.

Forget it I give up. Like you said people follow the path of least resistance. That path is the path of pointing at the mythical killer macro and the legendary 1000 cps as the reason they lost. It's too easy. Way easier than finding understandin and practicing your craft to get better. I'm trying to help...

To be fair, take the light attack out, and with 3000+ weapon damage and 30k stam that sequence will instagib just about anyone

the wb for 15k + knockback (this will be what ultimately causes you to die, because you cant counter the next two while youre falling)
the surprise attack now empowered by the WB for over 10k
the soul harvest just overkilling for the lulz (or to finish the 30k health guy off)

Ive done it too many times, its literally the definition of cheese

Literally 1, 2, R. In just 2 seconds and its over and AP is received 99 percent of the time, even against so called "good" players.

Only 3 things really counter it (with a fourth that is not something you really see that often)

1. a damage shield preventing the WB from critting, but the soul harvest at the end usually makes up for the damage loss
2. getting detected before it goes off and they actually have a chance to react or block or roll
3. hitting the surprise attack too early and screwing up the WB windup (user error)
4. the guy just happens to be holding block right as you hit him for some strange reason, he has prescience

OdinForge wrote: »

Looks like big K got you with a heavy attack out of stealth + animation canceled with a surprise attack (maybe a bash, can't tell i don't see tooltip). Very easy to do this without macros, can even be done without animation canceling. Someone who knows how to animation cancel would never leave this to a macro, just seems silly. In 1.6 heavy attacks do insane damage, even without stealth. He's built for weapon damage too, so the damage is predictable.

And here you see why some people are so willing to exploit the game.

They call him "big K".

It's so laughable when you are in the know regarding "little k".