The reason I left PC for Console.
I hate macros.

I am an acclaimed macro'er. What I do is I press lmb, then r. This sets off the script of death. Some of my characters I use macros by pressing the ability I want first, then press r. Some others I use an ability, press lmb and then an ability right after. This enables the code of rekt.

Dru1076 wrote: »

I see a lot of people talking about using macros to gain an edge in PVP. I was wondering what everyone thought about this. I don't want to do it, tbh I consider it blatant cheating ... But I don't want to disadvantage myself by not using them if they have become an accepted evil of the game. So the question I have is what is Zos's stance on the use of macros? A cheat or fair play? What do you guys think?

People are killing people because they are better geared, more skilled than their targets. It has nothing to do with macros. Ever since the major influx of new players people have been crying about this or that alleged boogeyman. Stuff like this is getting out of control. I can burst someone down, particularly a new player in 2-3 seconds. I don't use macros. I am just geared properly and know how to play.

I regard macros as cheating/unfair play. I also regard macro users as weak and pitiable.

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Dru1076 wrote: »

I see a lot of people talking about using macros to gain an edge in PVP. I was wondering what everyone thought about this. I don't want to do it, tbh I consider it blatant cheating ... But I don't want to disadvantage myself by not using them if they have become an accepted evil of the game. So the question I have is what is Zos's stance on the use of macros? A cheat or fair play? What do you guys think?

today i was killed several times by 1 hit, then when i look at the death list of damage it clearly shows i was attacked by alot of hits that i never saw. i only saw 1 hit.
to me thats clearly cheating. its wrong but so is the cheating addons they allow and soo many other cheats and tricks and exploits used constantly. today and right now eso is allowing it but there are consequences.

Without knowing more details about your deaths it's impossible to say, but you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions of cheating. People can land multiple attacks instantly for many reasons, travel times, cast times, countdown timers, lag etc. As a sorc I can curse you, hit entropy, insta-frags, heavy attack and mages wrath, and all will do their damage in the same few seconds due to cast times and travel times. Add in some lag and it will seem instant to you. NBs have similar mechanics.

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dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

yeah i thought some one would try to say that, and its completely false, i know for a fact none of the things you mentioned were involved, i wasnt looking for an answer because i wasnt asking a question.
i was simply agreeing that infact macros are being used and i am a witness that people are doing it among other cheats on a daily basis.

You cannot be a reliable witness to these things from your screen. What you see in the way of animations isn't reliable. Not calling you a liar, you may well have seen someone macroing. But there are many other possible explanations.

If you are going to let the game play itself with little interaction from you why not just stop playing and go watch gameplay videos. True talent is not found in automation but in the finesse born of practice and instinct.

Xael wrote: »

Dru1076 wrote: »

I see a lot of people talking about using macros to gain an edge in PVP. I was wondering what everyone thought about this. I don't want to do it, tbh I consider it blatant cheating ... But I don't want to disadvantage myself by not using them if they have become an accepted evil of the game. So the question I have is what is Zos's stance on the use of macros? A cheat or fair play? What do you guys think?

People are killing people because they are better geared, more skilled than their targets. It has nothing to do with macros. Ever since the major influx of new players people have been crying about this or that alleged boogeyman. Stuff like this is getting out of control. I can burst someone down, particularly a new player in 2-3 seconds. I don't use macros. I am just geared properly and know how to play.

Um... Not crying or whining here, pal.. You quoted me, but you don't seem to have read what quoted. I was simply asking a question, not trying to get anything nerfed. Honestly... Sounds an awful lot like you're trying to defend something you claim you don't use. Don't be such an...overreacting dude.

From what I have seen of people openly discussing the use of macros I simply wondered how others in the community looked upon them considering that so many admit using them. Glad to see so many share my low opinion of them, and I don't think I will be using them. But sadly, from what I can tell, this is one of those "Its only illegal if you get caught" type things.

Dru1076 wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dru1076 wrote: »

I see a lot of people talking about using macros to gain an edge in PVP. I was wondering what everyone thought about this. I don't want to do it, tbh I consider it blatant cheating ... But I don't want to disadvantage myself by not using them if they have become an accepted evil of the game. So the question I have is what is Zos's stance on the use of macros? A cheat or fair play? What do you guys think?

People are killing people because they are better geared, more skilled than their targets. It has nothing to do with macros. Ever since the major influx of new players people have been crying about this or that alleged boogeyman. Stuff like this is getting out of control. I can burst someone down, particularly a new player in 2-3 seconds. I don't use macros. I am just geared properly and know how to play.

Um... Not crying or whining here, pal.. You quoted me, but you don't seem to have read what quoted. I was simply asking a question, not trying to get anything nerfed. Honestly... Sounds an awful lot like you're trying to defend something you claim you don't use. Don't be such an...overreacting dude.

From what I have seen of people openly discussing the use of macros I simply wondered how others in the community looked upon them considering that so many admit using them. Glad to see so many share my low opinion of them, and I don't think I will be using them. But sadly, from what I can tell, this is one of those "Its only illegal if you get caught" type things.

What you've seen is people who do not understand the game, in this case priority system openly accusing others (boogeyman) of using macros. They say thing like, "Some macro user hit me 4 times in under a second", not understanding things like travel time, first contact, and procs. Not understanding that a macro will not allow anyone to do anything faster because of the priority system.

What you don't see is I use "this" macro or "you should try this macro." This ain't WoW where macros are needed to do things like break roots and sacrifice. ESO just doesn't work that way.

People tend to take the path of least resistance. And cheating in online games in general is really widespread.

When Joe Average sees that instead of mastering the timing of landing wrecking blow, surprise attack, light attack and soul harvest at exactly the same time, he can just program a macro to do it for him at the push of a button regardless of how distracted he might be in the hectic PvP combat, why would he not do it?

If you see, out of all the nightblades you face every day, one that seems to get the sequence right with robotic perfection, every single time he attacks you, no matter what circumstances or how pressured he is, chances are, you just met Joe Average.

Yes, there is a possibility that guy was just exceptionally good. But when you see more 'exceptionally good' guys that you never heard of before popping up like mushrooms every day? See first sentence.

Sharee wrote: »

People tend to take the path of least resistance. And cheating in online games in general is really widespread.

When Joe Average sees that instead of mastering the timing of landing wrecking blow, surprise attack, light attack and soul harvest at exactly the same time, he can just program a macro to do it for him at the push of a button regardless of how distracted he might be in the hectic PvP combat, why would he not do it?

If you see, out of all the nightblades you face every day, one that seems to get the sequence right with robotic perfection, every single time he attacks you, no matter what circumstances or how pressured he is, chances are, you just met Joe Average.

Yes, there is a possibility that guy was just exceptionally good. But when you see more 'exceptionally good' guys that you never heard of before popping up like mushrooms every day? See first sentence.

And he has 1000 cps too! Come on. That's ridiculous to say. On top of that the sequence you used isn't even remotely optimal. There's not even an animation cancel/weave in there. Forgive me but you are making my point about a lack of understanding.

Forget it I give up. Like you said people follow the path of least resistance. That path is the path of pointing at the mythical killer macro and the legendary 1000 cps as the reason they lost. It's too easy. Way easier than finding understandin and practicing your craft to get better. I'm trying to help...

TheBull wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

People tend to take the path of least resistance. And cheating in online games in general is really widespread.

When Joe Average sees that instead of mastering the timing of landing wrecking blow, surprise attack, light attack and soul harvest at exactly the same time, he can just program a macro to do it for him at the push of a button regardless of how distracted he might be in the hectic PvP combat, why would he not do it?

If you see, out of all the nightblades you face every day, one that seems to get the sequence right with robotic perfection, every single time he attacks you, no matter what circumstances or how pressured he is, chances are, you just met Joe Average.

Yes, there is a possibility that guy was just exceptionally good. But when you see more 'exceptionally good' guys that you never heard of before popping up like mushrooms every day? See first sentence.

And he has 1000 cps too! Come on. That's ridiculous to say. On top of that the sequence you used isn't even remotely optimal. There's not even an animation cancel/weave in there. Forgive me but you are making my point about a lack of understanding.

The fact that the sequence combines multiple attack categories that all have their own cooldowns(and thus can hit simultaneously) is what makes it optimal. It allows you to score 4 hits on an enemy within 0.3 seconds.

1, WB triggers a 1.3s ability cooldown on cast, but deal damage after 1.0 of that cooldown already passed.
2, SA can be used 0.3 sec after WB deals damage (at the point the WB CD expired)
3, SA triggers another 1.3s ability cooldown, but basic attacks are on their own CD, so you can LA right after the SA.
4, LA triggers basic attack cooldown, but you can use soul harvest instantly anyway, because ultimates respect neither ability CD nor basic attack CD.

result: 4 hits within 0.3 second timeframe. Of course hitting the keys perfectly for that to happen is a challenge in the heat of combat - unless you use a macro to do it for you, that is.

I think I read ZOS's stance on macros was no automated game play macros, outside of that not much else.

Im genuenly surprised people still claim there are no macros in ESO. People will go to great lengths to get upper hand no matter how slim. Farmin dungeon for that one piece of equipement taht will give you 5% more dmg for hours? Sure. Farming mobs in one spot for hurs to get that nice cp passive? Of course. Using a programmable button on mouse to execute that sweet combo in 0.7 sec faster? You bet.

And im starting to think all that arguments that there is no palce in ESO for macroing because x (global cooldows, few skills that dont need macroing, lag makes macroing useless) know much more about macoring than they tend to admit.

TheBull wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

People tend to take the path of least resistance. And cheating in online games in general is really widespread.

When Joe Average sees that instead of mastering the timing of landing wrecking blow, surprise attack, light attack and soul harvest at exactly the same time, he can just program a macro to do it for him at the push of a button regardless of how distracted he might be in the hectic PvP combat, why would he not do it?

If you see, out of all the nightblades you face every day, one that seems to get the sequence right with robotic perfection, every single time he attacks you, no matter what circumstances or how pressured he is, chances are, you just met Joe Average.

Yes, there is a possibility that guy was just exceptionally good. But when you see more 'exceptionally good' guys that you never heard of before popping up like mushrooms every day? See first sentence.

And he has 1000 cps too! Come on. That's ridiculous to say. On top of that the sequence you used isn't even remotely optimal. There's not even an animation cancel/weave in there. Forgive me but you are making my point about a lack of understanding.

Forget it I give up. Like you said people follow the path of least resistance. That path is the path of pointing at the mythical killer macro and the legendary 1000 cps as the reason they lost. It's too easy. Way easier than finding understandin and practicing your craft to get better. I'm trying to help...

completely off topic, but sir @ZOS_RichLambert did say that 1 person has 1650 cp..... lol so at least that isnt a myth. I am pretty sure we all know who it is btw...they spend most their time in crackwood cave since day 1 of CP release and I am pretty sure they are account sharing as they can be found there at ANY point in time of a 24 hour cycle