20 percent more Stam recovery for sorcs wasn't the best idea, here's a suggestion.

Merlight · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Merlight wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Live: FlatStamina * (ClassPassives + ArmorPassives + Potions) * ChampionPassives * (Racialpassive + WW + Vamp + formerEmp)
PTS: FlatStamina * Passives * ChampionPassives

Don't forget this hidden nerf.

Care to elaborate?

The way stam regen was calculated was changed or as Soulac mentioned Stealth-nerfed.

This really only greatly impacts players such as myself who were min/maxxing their stamina regen, other players shouldn't feel this change as much.

I don't understand in what sense is what he wrote (if that is true) a nerf. If "Passives" in the PTS formula are a product of all the things in parentheses in the Live formula (that's all I was able to infer from the shortcut), and the % bonuses remained the same, then it's a buff.

RoyJade · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

But it's mean to force Stamina Sorcerers to use any summoning ability if they don't want to (play the way you want honey )

Both stamina and magicka sorc are stuck with the same problem from long

Okay, it's not a reason.

Erock25 · August 2015

DDuke wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

30% stam regen for NBs = omg omg nerf nerfFF!

20% stam regen for sorcs = this is perfectly fine and balanced, doesn't affect our stam regen much

X% applied to a stamina build is quite a lot more than X% applied to a magicka build. Percentage increases are larger when multiplied by a larger base number.

My NB gets a lot more out of the NB stam passive than my sorc will out of the sorc buff.

Bolded the important part ;P

What I'm saying is, stam sorc looks like a candidate for the next FOTM with these changes

Let me rephrase the passives. 30% stamina regen at all times, or 20% stamina regen at the cost of 2 skills, which magicka sorcs already have covered but stamina sorcs need to gimp themselves to fill.

Again: Bound Armaments is an amazing skill, one I would like to have on my NB. It is definitely not going to gimp your stamina sorcerer lol

2% weapon dmg
20% regen
8% stamina
11% heavy attack damage

I would slot it for the heavy attack damage alone (you'll find out what I'm talking about once you get more used to a stam build).

Besides, what else would you have on your stam sorc bar anyway?
First Bar
Crit Rush
Vigor
Wrecking Blow
Executioner (Probably BoL/Streak here instead for 2% weapon dmg)
Second Bar
BoL/Streak (Probably Vigor here instead)
Thundering Presence
X
X

That's my problem, what else is there? Stam sorcs don't have much choice there, and your setup hints to the build using 2h which is even less choice unless there are more viable ways to use other weapons. The passives are nice, bound armaments is good, but there isn't the ability to pick different skills. If you see a stamina sorc you can almost know everything they will use.

Well, of course there are more options, that was just an example. Not many from the class skills though, which I'd like to see changed at some point. Making pets scale based off the highest resource for instance could be interesting & would enable stamina pet builds.

I digress.

This is what I've been thinking of:

2H/DW
2H
Ulti: Flawless Dawnbreaker
Crit Rush
BoL (or Streak...)
Wrecking Blow
Restraining Prison - Rationale: roll dodge change has made this stronger, also provides a small heal to help with survivability.
Bound Armaments
DW
Ulti: Overload
Flying Blade
Blade Cloak
Thundering Presence
Steel Tornado
Bound Armaments
Overload Bar
Critical Surge
Vigor
Dark Deal
Evasion
Bound Armaments

This is of course assuming they fix the Overload exploit and you have to actually slot Bound Armaments on each bar

And yes, I know there's no Momentum in this build... that's what makes it interesting!

You can really tellll this guy has never played a sorc before with that setup and all of those abilities on the overload bar.

Emma_Overload · August 2015

Mr_Koh wrote: »

Stam sorc is fun, but I'd rather have a bigger boost to weapon damage than stam recovery. Sure as a stam build stam recovery is super important, but magicka sorcs will have access to this big stam boost and they don't need any easier of a time managing their only weakness.

What? We already have Critical Surge to boost weapon damage. Stamina regen is much more important, especially for stamina sorcs who rolled a race like Breton to begin with.

Emma_Overload · August 2015

Mr_Koh wrote: »

This is bad because bound armaments is so hard to put on the bar for stam sorcs. Honestly they should just increase the weapon damage given because half a percent is low. Never should you even have more than 2 sorc abilities on a bar anyways because of the nature of stam sorcs. Honestly I've been playing stam sorc a good bit on the PTS, and I feel like they're not in a really bad place anymore. With these new changes they could be better, but I don't think they should be given stam regen since that only benefits magicka sorcs. Give them more weapon damage per ability slotted and that's it. If they can't give stam sorc the regen without giving it to magicka builds then they should just not give it to them at all.

WTF kind of argument is this? Why shouldn't magicka sorcs have a buff to their pitiful stamina regen?

DDuke · August 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

30% stam regen for NBs = omg omg nerf nerfFF!

20% stam regen for sorcs = this is perfectly fine and balanced, doesn't affect our stam regen much

X% applied to a stamina build is quite a lot more than X% applied to a magicka build. Percentage increases are larger when multiplied by a larger base number.

My NB gets a lot more out of the NB stam passive than my sorc will out of the sorc buff.

Bolded the important part ;P

What I'm saying is, stam sorc looks like a candidate for the next FOTM with these changes

Let me rephrase the passives. 30% stamina regen at all times, or 20% stamina regen at the cost of 2 skills, which magicka sorcs already have covered but stamina sorcs need to gimp themselves to fill.

Again: Bound Armaments is an amazing skill, one I would like to have on my NB. It is definitely not going to gimp your stamina sorcerer lol

2% weapon dmg
20% regen
8% stamina
11% heavy attack damage

I would slot it for the heavy attack damage alone (you'll find out what I'm talking about once you get more used to a stam build).

Besides, what else would you have on your stam sorc bar anyway?
First Bar
Crit Rush
Vigor
Wrecking Blow
Executioner (Probably BoL/Streak here instead for 2% weapon dmg)
Second Bar
BoL/Streak (Probably Vigor here instead)
Thundering Presence
X
X

That's my problem, what else is there? Stam sorcs don't have much choice there, and your setup hints to the build using 2h which is even less choice unless there are more viable ways to use other weapons. The passives are nice, bound armaments is good, but there isn't the ability to pick different skills. If you see a stamina sorc you can almost know everything they will use.

Well, of course there are more options, that was just an example. Not many from the class skills though, which I'd like to see changed at some point. Making pets scale based off the highest resource for instance could be interesting & would enable stamina pet builds.

I digress.

This is what I've been thinking of:

2H/DW
2H
Ulti: Flawless Dawnbreaker
Crit Rush
BoL (or Streak...)
Wrecking Blow
Restraining Prison - Rationale: roll dodge change has made this stronger, also provides a small heal to help with survivability.
Bound Armaments
DW
Ulti: Overload
Flying Blade
Blade Cloak
Thundering Presence
Steel Tornado
Bound Armaments
Overload Bar
Critical Surge
Vigor
Dark Deal
Evasion
Bound Armaments

This is of course assuming they fix the Overload exploit and you have to actually slot Bound Armaments on each bar

And yes, I know there's no Momentum in this build... that's what makes it interesting!

You can really tellll this guy has never played a sorc before with that setup and all of those abilities on the overload bar.

And you can really tell this person who replied to me has never played a stam build, since he's laughing at what is probably a better setup than he'd ever be able to make on his sorc.

I do actually have a orc stamina sorcerer which I've been leveling, VR8 at the moment

I've already theorycrafted multiple possible builds as well.

But whatever, I'll get back to this post in 1-2 months for laughs if I decide to make a stam sorc PvP video

TBois · August 2015

DDuke wrote: »

sixuponthelot wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

30% stam regen for NBs = omg omg nerf nerfFF!

20% stam regen for sorcs = this is perfectly fine and balanced, doesn't affect our stam regen much

X% applied to a stamina build is quite a lot more than X% applied to a magicka build. Percentage increases are larger when multiplied by a larger base number.

My NB gets a lot more out of the NB stam passive than my sorc will out of the sorc buff.

Bolded the important part ;P

What I'm saying is, stam sorc looks like a candidate for the next FOTM with these changes

Let me rephrase the passives. 30% stamina regen at all times, or 20% stamina regen at the cost of 2 skills, which magicka sorcs already have covered but stamina sorcs need to gimp themselves to fill.

Again: Bound Armaments is an amazing skill, one I would like to have on my NB. It is definitely not going to gimp your stamina sorcerer lol

2% weapon dmg
20% regen
8% stamina
11% heavy attack damage

I would slot it for the heavy attack damage alone (you'll find out what I'm talking about once you get more used to a stam build).

Besides, what else would you have on your stam sorc bar anyway?
First Bar
Crit Rush
Vigor
Wrecking Blow
Executioner (Probably BoL/Streak here instead for 2% weapon dmg)
Second Bar
BoL/Streak (Probably Vigor here instead)
Thundering Presence
X
X

That's my problem, what else is there? Stam sorcs don't have much choice there, and your setup hints to the build using 2h which is even less choice unless there are more viable ways to use other weapons. The passives are nice, bound armaments is good, but there isn't the ability to pick different skills. If you see a stamina sorc you can almost know everything they will use.

Well, of course there are more options, that was just an example. Not many from the class skills though, which I'd like to see changed at some point. Making pets scale based off the highest resource for instance could be interesting & would enable stamina pet builds.

I digress.

This is what I've been thinking of:

2H/DW
2H
Ulti: Flawless Dawnbreaker
Crit Rush
BoL (or Streak...)
Wrecking Blow
Restraining Prison - Rationale: roll dodge change has made this stronger, also provides a small heal to help with survivability.
Bound Armaments
DW
Ulti: Overload
Flying Blade
Blade Cloak
Thundering Presence
Steel Tornado
Bound Armaments
Overload Bar
Critical Surge
Vigor
Dark Deal
Evasion
Bound Armaments

This is of course assuming they fix the Overload exploit and you have to actually slot Bound Armaments on each bar

And yes, I know there's no Momentum in this build... that's what makes it interesting!

Interesting, but maybe not that useful in solo PVP. I'm also unsure about your healing being on your overload bar.

This is what I like when I run solo:

2H/DW
2H
Ulti:Flawless Dawnbreaker
Boundless Storm
Bound Armaments
Rally
Wrecking Blow
Crit Rush
DW
Ulti: Bats
Streak/Crit Surge
Bound Armaments
Steel Tornado
Vigor
Shuffle

Actually, my build is precisely made with 1vX in mind :P

I'll have to see how it works, but in theory just having Crit Surge, Elude & Thundering Presence active & using Bound Armaments should be enough to keep you alive now that dmg taken is significantly reduced. BoL is there for further survivability & to kite opponents (combined with Flying Blade).

Second bar is for dealing ranged dmg, further increased by Overload (with Molag Kena ofc) if you so choose, as well as some anti NB/AoE skills. That said, swapping Thundering Presence to Overload bar for Vigor or Dark Deal probably isn't a bad idea.

Still remains to be seen how this'll work out in practice, but I'm optimistic

Also don't forget that you still can't crit shields. So crit surge will be useless against most magicka builds.

Mr_Koh · August 2015

So we are kind of steering off subject here. I'm going to make a new thread saying that they should give Daedric protection the refreshing shadows treatment. Feel free to stop by and agree or disagree!

SturgeHammer · August 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

ZOS wants stam sorc to put bound armor on both bars. You will play their way and you will LIKE IT.

This statement is so true. It's like their vision for Stamina Sorcerer runs completely contrary to almost all feed back from Stam Sorc players. So from what I have gathered I believe the following is true.

ZOS's Ideal Stamina Sorcerer:
-Slow
-Lots of armor at the cost of skill slots
-Only deals damage with heavy attacks and low impact dots
-Runs all Sorc abilities, magicka ones too, to get the weapon damage buff

Does that sound fun, or make sense, to anyone? Probably not.

My Ideal Stam Sorc (think Spellsword from other ES games):
-Bursts of High Mobility for positioning
-High damage (preferably melee range), at the cost of survivability
-Uses a FEW magicka abilities to Enhance physical combat

Does mine sound fun to anyone? It's niche, but it has its supporters. Definitely sounds better than what ZOS wants us to play.

Mr_Koh · August 2015

So we are kind of steering off subject here. I'm going to make a new thread saying that they should give Daedric protection the refreshing shadows treatment. Feel free to stop by and agree or disagree!

Dracane · August 2015

RoyJade wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

But it's mean to force Stamina Sorcerers to use any summoning ability if they don't want to (play the way you want honey )

Both stamina and magicka sorc are stuck with the same problem from long
Okay, it's not a reason.

Yea but who needs 20% Health regen anway ? Base health regen is way too low to make this usefull. Health regen is only good for those, who really stack it and put everything into it.

However, no casual Mage benefits from this passive. I wouldn't slot a summoning ability for this trash

Mr_Koh · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

But it's mean to force Stamina Sorcerers to use any summoning ability if they don't want to (play the way you want honey )

Both stamina and magicka sorc are stuck with the same problem from long
Okay, it's not a reason.

Yea but who needs 20% Health regen anway ? Base health regen is way too low to make this usefull. Health regen is only good for those, who really stack it and put everything into it.

However, no casual Mage benefits from this passive. I wouldn't slot a summoning ability for this trash

Well all sorcs slot Hardened.

Dracane · August 2015

Mr_Koh wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

But it's mean to force Stamina Sorcerers to use any summoning ability if they don't want to (play the way you want honey )

Both stamina and magicka sorc are stuck with the same problem from long
Okay, it's not a reason.

Yea but who needs 20% Health regen anway ? Base health regen is way too low to make this usefull. Health regen is only good for those, who really stack it and put everything into it.

However, no casual Mage benefits from this passive. I wouldn't slot a summoning ability for this trash

Well all sorcs slot Hardened.

Hm yes.
But I said, they shouldn't force stamina Sorcerers to slot summoning abilities, as they aren't really usefull. In fact, everything in this skill line besides hardened ward and probably velocious curse isn't worth slotting anyway. Not even for Magicka Sorcerers.

Huggalump · August 2015

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

ZOS wants stam sorc to put bound armor on both bars. You will play their way and you will LIKE IT.

This statement is so true. It's like their vision for Stamina Sorcerer runs completely contrary to almost all feed back from Stam Sorc players. So from what I have gathered I believe the following is true.

ZOS's Ideal Stamina Sorcerer:
-Slow
-Lots of armor at the cost of skill slots
-Only deals damage with heavy attacks and low impact dots
-Runs all Sorc abilities, magicka ones too, to get the weapon damage buff

Does that sound fun, or make sense, to anyone? Probably not.

My Ideal Stam Sorc (think Spellsword from other ES games):
-Bursts of High Mobility for positioning
-High damage (preferably melee range), at the cost of survivability
-Uses a FEW magicka abilities to Enhance physical combat

Does mine sound fun to anyone? It's niche, but it has its supporters. Definitely sounds better than what ZOS wants us to play.

yeah, that's how i imagine it too. The one thing sorcs have that really makes them different is mobility. So allow us to be high damage, low defense stamina users that rely on mobility to keep ourselves alive

Ezareth · August 2015

sixuponthelot wrote: »

Interesting, but maybe not that useful in solo PVP. I'm also unsure about your healing being on your overload bar.

This is what I like when I run solo:

2H/DW
2H
Ulti:Flawless Dawnbreaker
Boundless Storm
Bound Armaments
Rally
Wrecking Blow
Crit Rush
DW
Ulti: Bats
Streak/Crit Surge
Bound Armaments
Steel Tornado
Vigor
Shuffle

Yeah I don't think putting vigor on your overload bar makes sense and you don't need streak on the same bar as your gap-closer. You want 1-offs on your overload bar.

If I end up trying Stam sorc myself except I wouldn't do dual wield, I'd use S&B instead.

Your 2H bar is similar to what I'd do except I would do:

2-Hand
Ult:Flawless Dawnbreaker
Wrecking Blow
Crit Rush
Boundless Storm
Executioner
Bound Armaments

S&B
Ult:Energy Overload
Deep Slash (AoE Maim + slow)
Streak(needed to reveal NBs and as a gap closer/escap)
Defensive Posture
Vigor
Bound Armaments

Overload Bar:
Retreating Manuevers (I choose this over shuffle for the longer duration plus useful while mounted)
Crit Surge (Brutality and crit-heals)
Defensive Rune
Caltrops
Bound Armaments

RoyJade · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Yea but who needs 20% Health regen anway ? Base health regen is way too low to make this usefull. Health regen is only good for those, who really stack it and put everything into it.

However, no casual Mage benefits from this passive. I wouldn't slot a summoning ability for this trash

I agree, the 20% life regen was nearly useless, on of the worst passive in the entire game. This change is welcome.
There is still the "play the way ZOS give you" problem, but it's better than nothing. Now, ZOS need to change the summoning tree to be more useful for a stamina user, and boost for real these useless pets (stamina option, at least).

Ezareth · August 2015

Merlight wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Merlight wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Live: FlatStamina * (ClassPassives + ArmorPassives + Potions) * ChampionPassives * (Racialpassive + WW + Vamp + formerEmp)
PTS: FlatStamina * Passives * ChampionPassives

Don't forget this hidden nerf.

Care to elaborate?

The way stam regen was calculated was changed or as Soulac mentioned Stealth-nerfed.

This really only greatly impacts players such as myself who were min/maxxing their stamina regen, other players shouldn't feel this change as much.

I don't understand in what sense is what he wrote (if that is true) a nerf. If "Passives" in the PTS formula are a product of all the things in parentheses in the Live formula (that's all I was able to infer from the shortcut), and the % bonuses remained the same, then it's a buff.

Basically buffs that once were multiplicative with each other are now additive.

If you have 125%*125%*125% it is more powerful than 125%+25%*125% ( 1.95 compared to 187.5).

Ezareth · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

But it's mean to force Stamina Sorcerers to use any summoning ability if they don't want to (play the way you want honey )

Both stamina and magicka sorc are stuck with the same problem from long
Okay, it's not a reason.

Yea but who needs 20% Health regen anway ? Base health regen is way too low to make this usefull. Health regen is only good for those, who really stack it and put everything into it.

However, no casual Mage benefits from this passive. I wouldn't slot a summoning ability for this trash

It became almost twice as powerful with this patch. It's also very useful for classes that don't rely on damage shields to protect them.

Ezareth · August 2015

sixuponthelot wrote: »

Also don't forget that you still can't crit shields. So crit surge will be useless against most magicka builds.

Damage shields will be much less prevalent in 2.1 and the primary benefit is the Brutality buff (for a longer duration than Rally as well if I recall)

Snit · August 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

You can really tellll this guy has never played a sorc before with that setup and all of those abilities on the overload bar.

Yep. People who don't play sorcs often think that the Overload bar functions smoothly as a fast, available third bar. Then they do silly stuff like put their only burst heal there. Heh.

Ezareth · August 2015

Snit wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

You can really tellll this guy has never played a sorc before with that setup and all of those abilities on the overload bar.

Yep. People who don't play sorcs often think that the Overload bar functions smoothly as a fast, available third bar. Then they do silly stuff like put their only burst heal there. Heh.

Ehh it works about as well as weapon swap....which is to say usually but yeah you effeminately don't want any abilities there that *must use now* type abilities.

I just don't understand why every sorc in the game isn't using at least one of their bars with overload....unless of course they're all just using the overload exploit.

Snit · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Ehh it works about as well as weapon swap....which is to say usually but yeah you effeminately don't want any abilities there that *must use now* type ability

Effeminately?

Is your autocorrect trying to start somethin'?

DDuke · August 2015

Snit wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Ehh it works about as well as weapon swap....which is to say usually but yeah you effeminately don't want any abilities there that *must use now* type abilities.

I just don't understand why every sorc in the game isn't using at least one of their bars with overload....unless of course they're all just using the overload exploit.

Well, it works as an additional 'weapon swap' half the time. Most builds have OL on one bar, not both, right? That's why I find it funny when people think it's always easy to switch to that third bar. It's easy if you're already on that bar, and if you have sufficient ultimate. (And I know you know this. I was just pointing out that I find it funny when non-sorc players describe the right way to play, then do something like toss their heal on the OL bar. It just shows their class knowledge doesn't extend beyond the builder at esohead)

Effeminately? Your autocorrect is having an odd day!

Having reached VR8 on my stamina sorcerer, I'm already quite sure that is more time than you've ever spent as a stamina sorc. So no need to make assumptions based on my apparent lack of knowledge.

That said, after making a revision I did find something I can improve on the build, namely moving Thundering Presence to Overload bar (as it is a long duration buff) & Vigor to DW bar (should still have more weapon dmg than 2H bar for higher efficiency heal, even without Flawless Dawnbreaker).

Otherwise, the build is more solid than anything you can come up with

Oh, and you don't need to be concerned about my knowledge regarding this game... in order to play on the highest competitive levels in both PvE & PvP, you need to know not only your own class but every other class & build in game as well.

Ezareth · August 2015

Snit wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Ehh it works about as well as weapon swap....which is to say usually but yeah you effeminately don't want any abilities there that *must use now* type abilities.

I just don't understand why every sorc in the game isn't using at least one of their bars with overload....unless of course they're all just using the overload exploit.

Well, it works as an additional 'weapon swap' half the time. Most builds have OL on one bar, not both, right? That's why I find it funny when people think it's always easy to switch to that third bar. It's easy if you're already on that bar, and if you have sufficient ultimate. (And I know you know this. I was just pointing out that I find it funny when non-sorc players describe the right way to play, then do something like toss their heal on the OL bar. It just shows their class knowledge doesn't extend beyond the builder at esohead)

Effeminately? Your autocorrect is having an odd day!

I put overload on both bars on my magicka sorc because nothing is more infuriating than saving up 1000 ult to troll some group of people and accidentally waste it all when you fat fingered your ult key and drop a random negate or something out in a field somewhere. I still think it was ridiculous they made ground ultimates instant cast by pressing the key instead of pressing the key and picking your location and clicking.

Since Magicka sorcs only have access to Resto staff heals slotting them on the overload bar has never been a luxury we've enjoyed. Stam sorcs with vigor though could get away with it, but it wouldn't be ideal and as you mentioned having a double swap necessary to gain access to it makes it a limited use /buff bar only.

And yeah I meant *definitely* haha

You don't want to see what Google does to my voice to text in Google hangouts. I swear there is someone who works at Google laughing his ass off as he torments me. People in my hangouts regularly take screenshots of some of the translations and torment me as well ) =

Erock25 · August 2015

DDuke wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Ehh it works about as well as weapon swap....which is to say usually but yeah you effeminately don't want any abilities there that *must use now* type abilities.

I just don't understand why every sorc in the game isn't using at least one of their bars with overload....unless of course they're all just using the overload exploit.

Well, it works as an additional 'weapon swap' half the time. Most builds have OL on one bar, not both, right? That's why I find it funny when people think it's always easy to switch to that third bar. It's easy if you're already on that bar, and if you have sufficient ultimate. (And I know you know this. I was just pointing out that I find it funny when non-sorc players describe the right way to play, then do something like toss their heal on the OL bar. It just shows their class knowledge doesn't extend beyond the builder at esohead)

Effeminately? Your autocorrect is having an odd day!

Having reached VR8 on my stamina sorcerer, I'm already quite sure that is more time than you've ever spent as a stamina sorc. So no need to make assumptions based on my apparent lack of knowledge.

That said, after making a revision I did find something I can improve on the build, namely moving Thundering Presence to Overload bar (as it is a long duration buff) & Vigor to DW bar (should still have more weapon dmg than 2H bar for higher efficiency heal, even without Flawless Dawnbreaker).

Otherwise, the build is more solid than anything you can come up with

Oh, and you don't need to be concerned about my knowledge regarding this game... in order to play on the highest competitive levels in both PvE & PvP, you need to know not only your own class but every other class & build in game as well.

Thundering presence is basically a 4 second buff at this point. You're really just embarrassing yourself with your stam sorc theory builds here.

Master_Kas · August 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Merlight wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Live: FlatStamina * (ClassPassives + ArmorPassives + Potions) * ChampionPassives * (Racialpassive + WW + Vamp + formerEmp)
PTS: FlatStamina * Passives * ChampionPassives

Don't forget this hidden nerf.

Care to elaborate?

The way stam regen was calculated was changed or as Soulac mentioned Stealth-nerfed.

This really only greatly impacts players such as myself who were min/maxxing their stamina regen, other players shouldn't feel this change as much.

Did they stealth-nerf magicka regen same way also? Or only stam regen

Hey it's balance

!

Dyride · August 2015

They only nerfed Stamina regen this way.

Joy_Division · August 2015

Am I the only only slightly miffed that sorcerers and NBs measure their Epeens classes/effectivenss with only respect to each other?

Ezareth · August 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

Am I the only only slightly miffed that sorcerers and NBs measure their Epeens with only respect to each other?

/boggle

Snit · August 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

Am I the only only slightly miffed that sorcerers and NBs measure their Epeens classes/effectivenss with only respect to each other?

Most stamina builds measure themselves against NB's, as NB's are the gold standard. Speaking for myself, I always ask, "why would I play a sorc, when my NB does almost everything better."