Lets have an offical Nerf Nb thread.

JohnnnyVegas · August 2015

Ok, but you are still using more stamina with almost everything you do. Yeah, the numbers don't lie, but from my experience I think it only helps SOME on it's own, If you dont set/manage the proper actives that stamina is still going down like a hooker at a hot dog factory. And it depends on type of build. I'm not building around dps. I'm built around tanking and survival. I'll let my buddies take care of the dps.

Zsymon · August 2015

Cloak didn't get any buffs what so ever, it stayed exactly the same as on Live. Many single target abilities still hit it right through invisibility. It still often breaks for no reason right after casting, it still breaks when the NB uses DoTs, etc. It's just as bugged as ever, nothing changed about it.

bowmanz607 · August 2015

Zsymon wrote: »

Cloak didn't get any buffs what so ever, it stayed exactly the same as on Live. Many single target abilities still hit it right through invisibility. It still often breaks for no reason right after casting, it still breaks when the NB uses DoTs, etc. It's just as bugged as ever, nothing changed about it.

they are ware of this we should see improvement on it in the patch today. fingers crossed.

bowmanz607 · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

JohnnnyVegas wrote: »

That 30% stamina regen while it sounds awesome, in actual combat; using abilities, blocking, attacks, etc. you don't really notice it. What is key for rebuilding your stamina is Siphoning Attacks, but it's chance based per hit, and that comes with a reduced damage penalty. But that can be overcome with Sap Essence. It's not overpowered. It's about setup.

Your saying the 30% stamina recovery isn't noticeable...?

Say a dk had 2k stamina recovery thats pretty high and should do.

A nb with the exact same equipment, cp , etc.. on would have 2600 stamina recovery because of the 30% passive. You get 600 more from a passive skill.

your still comparing apples to oranges. NB has stam regen. DK has increased blocking, or healing recieved, increased damge on abilities, can get stam back by activating abilities or can get stam,mahicka, health back through ultimate use. you cant take a passive from one class and apply it to another to show why it is unfair. That sort of logic can happen both ways. You have to take the class passives as a whole when comparing to other passives.

Flaminir · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

This is another PVP QQ thread about an alleged OP class, right?

Yep.

Genuine question here... I see a lot of your posts on the forum... and a lot seem to be about how OP everybody elses class is & how yours is nerfed to oblivion & back....

SO the question is this....

Have you ever considered spending any proper time playing these other classes so you better understand their strengths & weaknesses and are able to counter them in PvP?

Initially I found doing exactly that very enlightening & made me a better player.... the class inbalance isn't anywhere near what people like yourself would have others believe! There are differences... but there are MEANT to be differences!

Spend a good amount of time playing a NB / Sorc / Temp & you'll find that. Its also kinda fun!

leepalmer95 · August 2015

Flaminir wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

This is another PVP QQ thread about an alleged OP class, right?

Yep.

Genuine question here... I see a lot of your posts on the forum... and a lot seem to be about how OP everybody elses class is & how yours is nerfed to oblivion & back....

SO the question is this....

Have you ever considered spending any proper time playing these other classes so you better understand their strengths & weaknesses and are able to counter them in PvP?

Initially I found doing exactly that very enlightening & made me a better player.... the class inbalance isn't anywhere near what people like yourself would have others believe! There are differences... but there are MEANT to be differences!

Spend a good amount of time playing a NB / Sorc / Temp & you'll find that. Its also kinda fun!

Yeah i've got a dk, sorc and nb, my sorc is only vet 3 at the moment but it's far easier to play in pvp and has more survivability there than my dk.

The nb can kill people so easy compare to the others though.

Dk does have reflect which is useful but after playing the other two and being able to escape zergs or ganks makes me not want to play dk anymore but you spend so much more time playing horse simulator.

I don't have a problem with templars i just feel sry for them, majority of the time they can only use radiant destruction which is so easy to counter

Resipsa131 · August 2015

Jeckll wrote: »

Spaming Cloak is a Magicka Nightblade thing...those guys dont have access to Surprise Attack btw. And no, you dont get the Stealth-Damage Bonus from being invisible thanks to cloak.

Overall, your claims are full of half-truth, some even wrong stuff and you're mixing the benefits of Magicka and Stamina Nightblades...so the fearful assassin you describe, spaming Cloak and Surprise Attack is not possible.

Was basically just going to post this, Stamina NB are burst DPS they have tools to accomplish this but they have very little sustain. Magicka NB have more sustain but no Surprise Attack nor do they have Ambush, Concealed blade isn't horrible by any means but Lotus Fan is a mediocre skill that really falls into a limited use.

mcurley · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

mcurley wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

I've played nb, the dmg burst is insane compare to other classes.

I've seen no solid defence, people saying go play it, cloak doesn't work etc... yet you can still use a 12k gap closer which stuns etc...

Deny it more. Everyone knows there op compare to other classes, they are like dk's before they got nerfed to uselessness.

olsborg · August 2015

NB is somewhat op, no doubt, and it might even get worse with the buffing (indirectly and directly) to cloak. Fear is unarguably the best cc in the game.

bowmanz607 · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

I've played nb, the dmg burst is insane compare to other classes.

I've seen no solid defence, people saying go play it, cloak doesn't work etc... yet you can still use a 12k gap closer which stuns etc...

Deny it more. Everyone knows there op compare to other classes, they are like dk's before they got nerfed to uselessness.

ummm i actually discussed each one of your points above. I did not simply tell you to go play one. Again nb have the highest burst damage b/c that is how they survive. that is how they heal themselves. sorcs have sheilds, dk has GDB, temp has heals. NB are made to have the highest burst damage. they were made with the idea of a stealth assassination class. they were meant to strike quick and hard. again, go look at my previous post.

Cody · August 2015

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

leepalmer95 · August 2015

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

I've played nb, the dmg burst is insane compare to other classes.

I've seen no solid defence, people saying go play it, cloak doesn't work etc... yet you can still use a 12k gap closer which stuns etc...

Deny it more. Everyone knows there op compare to other classes, they are like dk's before they got nerfed to uselessness.

ummm i actually discussed each one of your points above. I did not simply tell you to go play one. Again nb have the highest burst damage b/c that is how they survive. that is how they heal themselves. sorcs have sheilds, dk has GDB, temp has heals. NB are made to have the highest burst damage. they were made with the idea of a stealth assassination class. they were meant to strike quick and hard. again, go look at my previous post.

Sorc have a shield - 1 shield.
Dk's have gbd - a self heal that depends on dmg done to you...
Templars - poor templars.

Nb's - class gap closer, strongest passive in the game, instant cloak, strongest cc in the game etc...

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Actually nothings been changed, in fact cloak is getting 'fixed' *cough* buffed *cough* next patch. So only aoe will uncloak you.

bowmanz607 · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

I've played nb, the dmg burst is insane compare to other classes.

I've seen no solid defence, people saying go play it, cloak doesn't work etc... yet you can still use a 12k gap closer which stuns etc...

Deny it more. Everyone knows there op compare to other classes, they are like dk's before they got nerfed to uselessness.

ummm i actually discussed each one of your points above. I did not simply tell you to go play one. Again nb have the highest burst damage b/c that is how they survive. that is how they heal themselves. sorcs have sheilds, dk has GDB, temp has heals. NB are made to have the highest burst damage. they were made with the idea of a stealth assassination class. they were meant to strike quick and hard. again, go look at my previous post.

Sorc have a shield - 1 shield.
Dk's have gbd - a self heal that depends on dmg done to you...
Templars - poor templars.

Nb's - class gap closer, strongest passive in the game, instant cloak, strongest cc in the game etc...

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Actually nothings been changed, in fact cloak is getting 'fixed' *cough* buffed *cough* next patch. So only aoe will uncloak you.

I think we will have to agree to disagree

leepalmer95 · August 2015

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

I've played nb, the dmg burst is insane compare to other classes.

I've seen no solid defence, people saying go play it, cloak doesn't work etc... yet you can still use a 12k gap closer which stuns etc...

Deny it more. Everyone knows there op compare to other classes, they are like dk's before they got nerfed to uselessness.

ummm i actually discussed each one of your points above. I did not simply tell you to go play one. Again nb have the highest burst damage b/c that is how they survive. that is how they heal themselves. sorcs have sheilds, dk has GDB, temp has heals. NB are made to have the highest burst damage. they were made with the idea of a stealth assassination class. they were meant to strike quick and hard. again, go look at my previous post.

Sorc have a shield - 1 shield.
Dk's have gbd - a self heal that depends on dmg done to you...
Templars - poor templars.

Nb's - class gap closer, strongest passive in the game, instant cloak, strongest cc in the game etc...

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Actually nothings been changed, in fact cloak is getting 'fixed' *cough* buffed *cough* next patch. So only aoe will uncloak you.

I think we will have to agree to disagree

Let me know of another sorc shield which isn't available to everyone else.

bowmanz607 · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

I've played nb, the dmg burst is insane compare to other classes.

I've seen no solid defence, people saying go play it, cloak doesn't work etc... yet you can still use a 12k gap closer which stuns etc...

Deny it more. Everyone knows there op compare to other classes, they are like dk's before they got nerfed to uselessness.

ummm i actually discussed each one of your points above. I did not simply tell you to go play one. Again nb have the highest burst damage b/c that is how they survive. that is how they heal themselves. sorcs have sheilds, dk has GDB, temp has heals. NB are made to have the highest burst damage. they were made with the idea of a stealth assassination class. they were meant to strike quick and hard. again, go look at my previous post.

Sorc have a shield - 1 shield.
Dk's have gbd - a self heal that depends on dmg done to you...
Templars - poor templars.

Nb's - class gap closer, strongest passive in the game, instant cloak, strongest cc in the game etc...

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Actually nothings been changed, in fact cloak is getting 'fixed' *cough* buffed *cough* next patch. So only aoe will uncloak you.

I think we will have to agree to disagree

Let me know of another sorc shield which isn't available to everyone else.

the one is all they need. have you seen sorcs run around with those sheilds? does not take much to keep it constantly refreshed while still dropping curses and frags. shield, entropy, mines, shield, curse, shield, frag, shield, curse, sheild, streak, mines, frag, sheild, healing ward, curse, frag, sheild etc.....

leepalmer95 · August 2015

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

I've played nb, the dmg burst is insane compare to other classes.

I've seen no solid defence, people saying go play it, cloak doesn't work etc... yet you can still use a 12k gap closer which stuns etc...

Deny it more. Everyone knows there op compare to other classes, they are like dk's before they got nerfed to uselessness.

ummm i actually discussed each one of your points above. I did not simply tell you to go play one. Again nb have the highest burst damage b/c that is how they survive. that is how they heal themselves. sorcs have sheilds, dk has GDB, temp has heals. NB are made to have the highest burst damage. they were made with the idea of a stealth assassination class. they were meant to strike quick and hard. again, go look at my previous post.

Sorc have a shield - 1 shield.
Dk's have gbd - a self heal that depends on dmg done to you...
Templars - poor templars.

Nb's - class gap closer, strongest passive in the game, instant cloak, strongest cc in the game etc...

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Actually nothings been changed, in fact cloak is getting 'fixed' *cough* buffed *cough* next patch. So only aoe will uncloak you.

I think we will have to agree to disagree

Let me know of another sorc shield which isn't available to everyone else.

the one is all they need. have you seen sorcs run around with those sheilds? does not take much to keep it constantly refreshed while still dropping curses and frags. shield, entropy, mines, shield, curse, shield, frag, shield, curse, sheild, streak, mines, frag, sheild, healing ward, curse, frag, sheild etc.....

How did you manage to spell a word two different ways in the same sentence...

Not really hardened ward is the only shield that protects against physical dmg and can be took out quite easy by 2 wb's, 2-3 snipes etc... if people got their burst right it's a lot easier to kill a sorc.

bowmanz607 · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

I've played nb, the dmg burst is insane compare to other classes.

I've seen no solid defence, people saying go play it, cloak doesn't work etc... yet you can still use a 12k gap closer which stuns etc...

Deny it more. Everyone knows there op compare to other classes, they are like dk's before they got nerfed to uselessness.

ummm i actually discussed each one of your points above. I did not simply tell you to go play one. Again nb have the highest burst damage b/c that is how they survive. that is how they heal themselves. sorcs have sheilds, dk has GDB, temp has heals. NB are made to have the highest burst damage. they were made with the idea of a stealth assassination class. they were meant to strike quick and hard. again, go look at my previous post.

Sorc have a shield - 1 shield.
Dk's have gbd - a self heal that depends on dmg done to you...
Templars - poor templars.

Nb's - class gap closer, strongest passive in the game, instant cloak, strongest cc in the game etc...

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Actually nothings been changed, in fact cloak is getting 'fixed' *cough* buffed *cough* next patch. So only aoe will uncloak you.

I think we will have to agree to disagree

Let me know of another sorc shield which isn't available to everyone else.

the one is all they need. have you seen sorcs run around with those sheilds? does not take much to keep it constantly refreshed while still dropping curses and frags. shield, entropy, mines, shield, curse, shield, frag, shield, curse, sheild, streak, mines, frag, sheild, healing ward, curse, frag, sheild etc.....

How did you manage to spell a word two different ways in the same sentence...

Not really hardened ward is the only shield that protects against physical dmg and can be took out quite easy by 2 wb's, 2-3 snipes etc... if people got their burst right it's a lot easier to kill a sorc.

Ya srry about spelling and what not. On my phone right now. My bad.

You can easily get 20k hardened ward. And ya you can burst them down but then they get reapplied and still no damage to target. Sorc is a more patient playstyle and requires the right time in to push your target, but once you get that down it is no problem. Also, you apply hardened the healing ward and you still get that heal generally speaking before they burst through your hardened. Not only that they have the most reliable escape ability in game.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

I've played nb, the dmg burst is insane compare to other classes.

I've seen no solid defence, people saying go play it, cloak doesn't work etc... yet you can still use a 12k gap closer which stuns etc...

Deny it more. Everyone knows there op compare to other classes, they are like dk's before they got nerfed to uselessness.

ummm i actually discussed each one of your points above. I did not simply tell you to go play one. Again nb have the highest burst damage b/c that is how they survive. that is how they heal themselves. sorcs have sheilds, dk has GDB, temp has heals. NB are made to have the highest burst damage. they were made with the idea of a stealth assassination class. they were meant to strike quick and hard. again, go look at my previous post.

Sorc have a shield - 1 shield.
Dk's have gbd - a self heal that depends on dmg done to you...
Templars - poor templars.

Nb's - class gap closer, strongest passive in the game, instant cloak, strongest cc in the game etc...

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Actually nothings been changed, in fact cloak is getting 'fixed' *cough* buffed *cough* next patch. So only aoe will uncloak you.

I think we will have to agree to disagree

Let me know of another sorc shield which isn't available to everyone else.

the one is all they need. have you seen sorcs run around with those sheilds? does not take much to keep it constantly refreshed while still dropping curses and frags. shield, entropy, mines, shield, curse, shield, frag, shield, curse, sheild, streak, mines, frag, sheild, healing ward, curse, frag, sheild etc.....

How did you manage to spell a word two different ways in the same sentence...

Not really hardened ward is the only shield that protects against physical dmg and can be took out quite easy by 2 wb's, 2-3 snipes etc... if people got their burst right it's a lot easier to kill a sorc.

Ya srry about spelling and what not. On my phone right now. My bad.

You can easily get 20k hardened ward. And ya you can burst them down but then they get reapplied and still no damage to target. Sorc is a more patient playstyle and requires the right time in to push your target, but once you get that down it is no problem. Also, you apply hardened the healing ward and you still get that heal generally speaking before they burst through your hardened. Not only that they have the most reliable escape ability in game.

20k hardened ward? i need to see a s/s of them, that has got to be impossible.

Like i said best way to kill a sorc is to burst, do consistent dmg until you build ultimate or something, then burst shield down really fast and your ultimate will likely 1 hit them.

Bolt escape only goes 15m so if you time it right you can constantly use a gap closer on a be sorc.

bowmanz607 · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

I've played nb, the dmg burst is insane compare to other classes.

I've seen no solid defence, people saying go play it, cloak doesn't work etc... yet you can still use a 12k gap closer which stuns etc...

Deny it more. Everyone knows there op compare to other classes, they are like dk's before they got nerfed to uselessness.

ummm i actually discussed each one of your points above. I did not simply tell you to go play one. Again nb have the highest burst damage b/c that is how they survive. that is how they heal themselves. sorcs have sheilds, dk has GDB, temp has heals. NB are made to have the highest burst damage. they were made with the idea of a stealth assassination class. they were meant to strike quick and hard. again, go look at my previous post.

Sorc have a shield - 1 shield.
Dk's have gbd - a self heal that depends on dmg done to you...
Templars - poor templars.

Nb's - class gap closer, strongest passive in the game, instant cloak, strongest cc in the game etc...

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Cody wrote: »

I should have kept up with ESO politics after I left.

Nbs are still the "OP" class? Has fear been nerfed into near extinction?

Actually nothings been changed, in fact cloak is getting 'fixed' *cough* buffed *cough* next patch. So only aoe will uncloak you.

I think we will have to agree to disagree

Let me know of another sorc shield which isn't available to everyone else.

the one is all they need. have you seen sorcs run around with those sheilds? does not take much to keep it constantly refreshed while still dropping curses and frags. shield, entropy, mines, shield, curse, shield, frag, shield, curse, sheild, streak, mines, frag, sheild, healing ward, curse, frag, sheild etc.....

How did you manage to spell a word two different ways in the same sentence...

Not really hardened ward is the only shield that protects against physical dmg and can be took out quite easy by 2 wb's, 2-3 snipes etc... if people got their burst right it's a lot easier to kill a sorc.

Ya srry about spelling and what not. On my phone right now. My bad.

You can easily get 20k hardened ward. And ya you can burst them down but then they get reapplied and still no damage to target. Sorc is a more patient playstyle and requires the right time in to push your target, but once you get that down it is no problem. Also, you apply hardened the healing ward and you still get that heal generally speaking before they burst through your hardened. Not only that they have the most reliable escape ability in game.

20k hardened ward? i need to see a s/s of them, that has got to be impossible.

Like i said best way to kill a sorc is to burst, do consistent dmg until you build ultimate or something, then burst shield down really fast and your ultimate will likely 1 hit them.

Bolt escape only goes 15m so if you time it right you can constantly use a gap closer on a be sorc.

Trust me i know how to fight a sorc no problem. just like i can counter all the other classes and builds that people run. everyone has a weakness. Not saying i win everytime b/c people figure out how to counter me too. i just know how to do it.

as for the sheild. go check out sypher's sorc videos. you will see it. imagine if you had 100 points in that star would easily be 25k

WyldfireWyrm · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

In fact why don't you go through and highlight those mistakes, seems that you obviously don't have anything better to do and are incapable of contributing to a conversation.

Ok fine since I'm bored at work for another 20 minutes. Also... grammar.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seems every other class has one, suprised there isn't one as nb is the most op currently.

So first, for some reason zos decided to let nb's (NBs) have a class gap closer that does high dmg 12-14k easy, stuns on hit, and increases the next attack dmg by 20% all in 1 button.

Secondly, fear/mass hysteria.. lol at this skill. Aoe cc, (why a comma?) that is the only cc to make someone lose control of their character, slows them by 50% after they break free, reduces their dmg by 15%, and snares them all in one easy, spammable aoe skill. Let me know a cc that even comes close to this.

Third, surprise attack. A nb's spam skill, high dmg, stun if invisible, and causes them to lose armor.

Man, zos really likes giving all nb ability's (abilities) 3 effects for some reason.

Refreshing shadows.... just lmao. Here, have a 30% passive stamina regen... why not. I mean people are crying over werewolf and that's only 15%.

Cloak. Doesn't every class wish they could remove dots,go invisible, and then crit someone(?) from being invisible with a gap closer? Unfortunately only nbs.

There's likely so much more but I'm too lazy to be bothered going through stuff.

Now come nb's NBs let's 'discuss' your Op class!

Now seriously...

mcurley wrote: »

please go play a NB before you come to conclusions based on your death recap screen and some patch notes.

I've played nb, the dmg burst is insane compare to other classes.

I've seen no solid defence, people saying go play it, cloak doesn't work etc... yet you can still use a 12k gap closer which stuns etc...

Deny it more. Everyone knows there op compare to other classes, they are like dk's before they got nerfed to uselessness.

That moment you realize you are debating with someone who refused to see any logic, even if they are being beaten to death with it.

Alright everyone, pack it in. This discussion is officially pointless.

Cyrediath · August 2015

What the..

Are you guys serious?? I have v14 nb v1dk v1sorc and v1 templar. Are you claiming that nb is op? When you burst templar, they heal themselves, when you burst dk they use reflect or armor or heals, when you burst sorcerer well you can't because they have 25k shield and burst healing and in worst scenario they zap away. But when you do damage on nightblade (I'm not saying burst just regular damage) they die. Regular Sorcerer hits 16k crystal fragment 23k detonation (not class skill but works good with curse) and 12k curse and 6-8k with finisher that will be buffed in next update. Just look at this from point of view of nightblade. if you can't dodge roll any of this you are dead because you don't have any healing spells or any armor/resistance. Are you saying nightblade gap closer is op? What about your crystal frag which procs for more damage and casting instantly and stuns me. Our gap closer hits 12k and root you for 1 sec? What about your frag that does 16k and stuns me?? Fear is op?? Tell me 1 way to kill sorcerer in a duel without using fear? Are you guys out of mind? Just because you get ganked by nightblade, you want them to be nerfed. In fact you play the most op class, sorcerer. Check out the duel or duel tournament videos. Always sorcerers or dk's win and some templars on semi finals etc. But there are no NIGHTBLADES! Have you ever been in a duel guild? Nightblades have no sustain AT ALL! Stop Crying about this and play your sorcerer shield stacking+curse detonation spamming+waiting in the mine style like others do! If there is anythnig unfair about this game this is it! No one NO ONE can beat a good sorcerer or defensive DK in a duel. Thats it.

Farorin · August 2015

Cyrediath wrote: »

What the..

Are you guys serious?? I have v14 nb v1dk v1sorc and v1 templar. Are you claiming that nb is op? When you burst templar, they heal themselves, when you burst dk they use reflect or armor or heals, when you burst sorcerer well you can't because they have 25k shield and burst healing and in worst scenario they zap away. But when you do damage on nightblade (I'm not saying burst just regular damage) they die. Regular Sorcerer hits 16k crystal fragment 23k detonation (not class skill but works good with curse) and 12k curse and 6-8k with finisher that will be buffed in next update. Just look at this from point of view of nightblade. if you can't dodge roll any of this you are dead because you don't have any healing spells or any armor/resistance. Are you saying nightblade gap closer is op? What about your crystal frag which procs for more damage and casting instantly and stuns me. Our gap closer hits 12k and root you for 1 sec? What about your frag that does 16k and stuns me?? Fear is op?? Tell me 1 way to kill sorcerer in a duel without using fear? Are you guys out of mind? Just because you get ganked by nightblade, you want them to be nerfed. In fact you play the most op class, sorcerer. Check out the duel or duel tournament videos. Always sorcerers or dk's win and some templars on semi finals etc. But there are no NIGHTBLADES! Have you ever been in a duel guild? Nightblades have no sustain AT ALL! Stop Crying about this and play your sorcerer shield stacking+curse detonation spamming+waiting in the mine style like others do! If there is anythnig unfair about this game this is it! No one NO ONE can beat a good sorcerer or defensive DK in a duel. Thats it.

The bold part. This. This is what I am always trying to tell people, NBs are like they are made out of paper.

If they try to cloak, use a det pot or a flare, then all you need to do is hit em with whatever you've got that hits hard, and they will crumble and die. 1 potion OR ability will literally crush a NBs whole survivability plan.

MrGigglypants · August 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

TheArchitects wrote: »

Someone has been ganked recently ;-)

Not really just sick of seeing 10k teleport strikes and 10k surprise attack spam on my death report.

tommyshelby wrote: »

Nightblades have no self-heal. We have hard hitting abilities to compensate for it, but there are sorcerors and DK's doing just as much damage. It seems pretty evident to me that, with a skilled player, every class can be OP in pvp. They all have certain skills and traits that can be overwhelmingly difficult to go up against. I think, if you see the NB coming, they are inarguably easier to kill than other classes. Luckily they have stealth abilities to balance things out. I think things are pretty balanced across the board; however, if I had to pick an OP class it would be sorceror. They hit just as hard as NBs but can heal through almost any combination of attacks in 1v1, plus they have an escape abillity (like NBs). At least NBs are brittle. A good sorceror can be impossible to kill 1v1, PLUS he can smoke you in 1-2 shots when you drain your stam/mag bars.

Sorc don't have self heal either, what sorc skill hits for 14k? that is instant and a gap closer and stuns?, Dk isn't even close to the dmg of a nb. Dk's do have a self heal but it can be used about 2-3 times on a stamina build and your out of magicka. Templers can only Rd spam because their useless 1v1.

Dk's are also kind of forced to use a 2h with a stamina build because they don't have a class gap closer.

A sorc bolt escaping can be gap closed to death, a nb cloaking away can't and wish so many passives offering sneak movement bonus they are sometimes faster than people out of sneak.

I've been hit by 13k crystal frags oh and that's a knock down bud so even at 26k health I'm getting 2 shot if they decide to heavy staff in crystal frag light clip into <anything> so.. L2p and btw ambush doesn't stun players unless using from stealth. Also you dont know what your talking about NB's have zero sneak passives to move quickly we have to use blur+ vamp sneak / concealed weapon if your a magick nb

lolzbuckets · August 2015

When OP claimed that a 20k hardened ward was impossible, I choked on my coffee. Oh, man. Why are you guys arguing with him? He's clearly either insane or trolling. Either way, you're never gonna win him over with math or logic.

lolzbuckets · August 2015

Still, though, this thread has been an amusing diversion while I ate my breakfast, so...thanks for that.

lolzbuckets · August 2015

Oh! Also, when you're claiming that Nightblades have more survivability than Dragonknights, I think the problem might not even be that you should play a Nightblade to get a better idea of how they function.

I think you should start by learning how to play a Dragonknight. There's some good PVP tutorials around. They'll give you some basic introduction to what a balanced skill bar looks like, and when you should block or when you should heal... You know, basic stuff. Because if you're having that much trouble staying alive as the only class that can give a sorcerer a run for their money in the not-dying department, the issue is not with the people killing you.

Junglejim82 · August 2015

Best thread today. Much appreciated OP , only thing NBS have going is our burst damage. Have you seen trials and dsa leaderboards ? See many NBS ? I primarily pvp but look at the big picture and you want us nerfed ? Lulz

My limit so far is winning 4 v 1. And they were bad. I out thought them not out fought . Los and stealth helped me big time . I seen a sorc take 12 guys to drop . Even more with dks . 2v1 toe to toe I will die if I run out of stam before at least 1 dies. Remember we've no shields . 20% dodge chance yeah but no shield so while I fight 1 damage keeps ticking away from his buddy if they're smart enough to space out ( making ccing both impossible in 1 move ). We're super squishy FFS but keep up the good fight

Ender1310 · August 2015

Logic. Do you think the designers work on eso are smart pot dumb? Do you think you are smarter than them? Because it's literally their job to decide what is balanced and what isn't. The fact that they are buffing our class defining skill in this o so important expansion tells me that nb's are not as oped as you are crying about. Every patch one more nb buff fact is we have been the stepchild from day one of eso. Play the class you will find it bursty buggy and squishy. There will be no more bravely standing out in the open knowing you have that oh so reliable herp derp dk shield nay every move you make must be cleverly calculated. We are not so strong as you might think what you experienced were some outliers who probably had insane burst and would have burst you down on any class.

leepalmer95 · August 2015

SO many nb tears in this thread.

All you hear is 'were made of glass'

Everytime i hear something about a sorc shield the amount goes up, 15k..20k...25k... still waiting for that ss.

Cyrediath wrote: »

What the..

Are you guys serious?? I have v14 nb v1dk v1sorc and v1 templar. Are you claiming that nb is op? When you burst templar, they heal themselves, when you burst dk they use reflect or armor or heals, when you burst sorcerer well you can't because they have 25k shield and burst healing and in worst scenario they zap away. But when you do damage on nightblade (I'm not saying burst just regular damage) they die. Regular Sorcerer hits 16k crystal fragment 23k detonation (not class skill but works good with curse) and 12k curse and 6-8k with finisher that will be buffed in next update. Just look at this from point of view of nightblade. if you can't dodge roll any of this you are dead because you don't have any healing spells or any armor/resistance. Are you saying nightblade gap closer is op? What about your crystal frag which procs for more damage and casting instantly and stuns me. Our gap closer hits 12k and root you for 1 sec? What about your frag that does 16k and stuns me?? Fear is op?? Tell me 1 way to kill sorcerer in a duel without using fear? Are you guys out of mind? Just because you get ganked by nightblade, you want them to be nerfed. In fact you play the most op class, sorcerer. Check out the duel or duel tournament videos. Always sorcerers or dk's win and some templars on semi finals etc. But there are no NIGHTBLADES! Have you ever been in a duel guild? Nightblades have no sustain AT ALL! Stop Crying about this and play your sorcerer shield stacking+curse detonation spamming+waiting in the mine style like others do! If there is anythnig unfair about this game this is it! No one NO ONE can beat a good sorcerer or defensive DK in a duel. Thats it.

Did you make these up by yourself? Even the 3200 spell power glass sorc doesn't hit that high.

Also i main a dk. Apart from a self heal what advantage does a dk have against nb's?