Verrask wrote: »

One of the best theory-crafter in the game doesn't understand what ZoS is doing with Argonian, and rates the race the worse in the game.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rrQ3Am_zmA8

It doesn't take a Parfax report to know how wrecked the Argonians are. Those of us who chose them at launch were sold a lemon and have been paying for it ever since.

Something really should be done, but we'll never see it happen. They're too lazy with passive design at this point. Plus, they're going to make a mint off a crown store race change option from all the Argonians finally being free to change race. It's all part of the plan.

manny254 wrote: »

Verrask wrote: »

One of the best theory-crafter in the game doesn't understand what ZoS is doing with Argonian,

Where is the lol button when you need it

Was asking myself the same.

Argonians still dead? At least we wont run out of leather for the large nightblade population!

Not surprised ZoS didnt go a different direction with their racials, anything that has been around as part of the original design they modify but never redesign.

Darlgon wrote: »

Who is Parfax? Not that hes wrong, but not sure I would put him in the "best theory-crafter" category.

I was about to say something similar. Never even heard of the guy before now.

Darlgon wrote: »

Who is Parfax? Not that hes wrong, but not sure I would put him in the "best theory-crafter" category.

No idea who this guy is but this looks pretty solid build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tITLco_pR3Y

Pelemane wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

Who is Parfax? Not that hes wrong, but not sure I would put him in the "best theory-crafter" category.

No idea who this guy is but this looks pretty solid build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tITLco_pR3Y

He ripped off my build!

AshTal wrote: »

We all know the Argonian is underpowered. Even the changes on 2.1 still put them at the bottom of the pile.

We need decent updates and we need them now.

I keep supporting this and putting out ideas/suggestions, so do others, but I'm not sure how effective any of that is.

Robbmrp wrote: »

Argonians are the BEST SWIMMERS in the game.....this will come in so handy when the underwater content NEVER comes to the game......

oh man, the underwater content....
Maybe in a parallel universe this game made by a company that want this game to become a masterpiece not a mediocre mmo. Players love what they have and only complaining for they lose their jobs cos of playing it.

Add a fat loot treasure chest at the end of a underwater river, FIXeD.

AshTal wrote: »

We all know the Argonian is underpowered. Even the changes on 2.1 still put them at the bottom of the pile.

The Argonian had crap racial abilities on the open beta and we were told they would get a bonus. We never saw this. The big issue is that even though we all know how bad Argonains racial are the 2.1 changes are right at the bottom. I think the Dev's just move too slowly we have known Argonian's are the worst racial ability and it took screaming from the forums to get more than a minor increase to the restore on potions.

ZOS just for some reason gets locked into being obstinate about some weird things; they stick their heads in the sand and and refuse to listen to their players. It was the same with Templars, especially the Global Cool Down on Focused Charge (still not fixed, BTW). It is the same with Heavy Armor.

No matter how much evidence and how many alternatives are presented to them on these issues, they drag their feet and refuse to make any significant changes. I have no idea why.

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

AshTal wrote: »

We all know the Argonian is underpowered. Even the changes on 2.1 still put them at the bottom of the pile.

The Argonian had crap racial abilities on the open beta and we were told they would get a bonus. We never saw this. The big issue is that even though we all know how bad Argonains racial are the 2.1 changes are right at the bottom. I think the Dev's just move too slowly we have known Argonian's are the worst racial ability and it took screaming from the forums to get more than a minor increase to the restore on potions.

ZOS just for some reason gets locked into being obstinate about some weird things; they stick their heads in the sand and and refuse to listen to their players. It was the same with Templars, especially the Global Cool Down on Focused Charge (still not fixed, BTW). It is the same with Heavy Armor.

No matter how much evidence and how many alternatives are presented to them on these issues, they drag their feet and refuse to make any significant changes. I have no idea why.

You hit the nail on the head. Some of their actions defy reason and, of course, they never provide any kind of substantive explanation for these things. They acknowledge some player issues and ignore others. This Argonian racial passives issue has been around since launch but was made intolerably worse when they stealth removed the Nightblade catalyst/potion synergy and removed soft caps. They never even acknowledged that they removed the synergy. They pulled some CIA crap and acted like it never existed. That's when you know they're hiding something. If only we could submit a FOIA request to get the documents that prove they changed it. The developers can be pretty shady sometimes.

They also have tails, and are extremely ugly. Why not merely play something else?

The more time you continue to play Argonians whilst complaining about your passives, is simply more time that you are investing into something that you know is a wasteful investment.

Certain people keep saying "but I've put this much into it".

Yes, you have. Well, perhaps stop and roll another character?

You've seen the trend. You've seen the pattern. It's time to move away from playing something that is not satisfying you, unless you are like some people and willing to accept the deficits because you wanted to play Argonian for the roleplay.

All that said, I agree that ZOS should make Argonian passives useful, but I don't think they will, hence my above suggestion.

Come back to Argonian when they fix it. In the meantime, roll an Imperial master race!

AshTal wrote: »

We all know the Argonian is underpowered. Even the changes on 2.1 still put them at the bottom of the pile.

The Argonian had crap racial abilities on the open beta and we were told they would get a bonus. We never saw this. The big issue is that even though we all know how bad Argonains racial are the 2.1 changes are right at the bottom. I think the Dev's just move too slowly we have known Argonian's are the worst racial ability and it took screaming from the forums to get more than a minor increase to the restore on potions.

However we will get a tiny improvement with 2.1 we will still be at the bottom. By the time we get raised to the level of Altmar or Imperial they will be twice as powerful as we they are now and will take years. We need decent updates and we need them now.

Well that's because, while they are micro increasing Argonian stats, they are busy doubling Bosmer stamina bonuses and increasing HE mag regen by THIRTY THREE freakin' percent! Those two things are H U G E in a game w/o soft caps, while we get a single tick better./sigh wtf?

I swear, Zenimax must be deathly afraid that if they give Argonians good racials there will be some huge flood of new lizard lovers and crash the servers or something............hummmmmmm, I just had a thought..........what if they actually ARE afraid of too many Argonians? You know we do have that extra tail and all those extra polygons because of the horns, etc. SO maybe too many lizards really WILL crash the system ><

Yeah I'm straw grasping at this point cuz I got nothin'

Domander wrote: »

If they ever addd water combat...

I have been told that underwater areas are not a realistic thing atm. The way they have water currently designed, it would be a MAJOR undertaking to convert current water to make swimming underwater even possible (although BOTH DAoC and WoW have it and they are 10 years old MMOs) so why ESO doesn't have that capability kind of bewilders me because there is so much wasted potential.

Junkogen wrote: »

Verrask wrote: »

One of the best theory-crafter in the game doesn't understand what ZoS is doing with Argonian, and rates the race the worse in the game.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rrQ3Am_zmA8

It doesn't take a Parfax report to know how wrecked the Argonians are. Those of us who chose them at launch were sold a lemon and have been paying for it ever since.

Something really should be done, but we'll never see it happen. They're too lazy with passive design at this point. Plus, they're going to make a mint off a crown store race change option from all the Argonians finally being free to change race. It's all part of the plan.

I believe I remember ZoS saying the racial changes with this update are only minor and they are planning on doing a much larger racial balance in a future patch, but they wanted to wait until they had a system where players can change races first. They also said after any major racial re-balance they would likely provide everybody with a free race change, much like they do when they respec skill and attribute points any time they do a major class/skill re-balance.

I agree that right now Argonians suck, but ZoS has already said that they intend to do more significant racial balancing, and offer a free race change to be fair to everybody, the very two things you are complaining about. Seems like much ado about nothing in this thread considering ZoS has made it pretty clear that they intend to fix a majority of the things people in this thread are complaining about.

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

Verrask wrote: »

One of the best theory-crafter in the game doesn't understand what ZoS is doing with Argonian, and rates the race the worse in the game.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rrQ3Am_zmA8

It doesn't take a Parfax report to know how wrecked the Argonians are. Those of us who chose them at launch were sold a lemon and have been paying for it ever since.

Something really should be done, but we'll never see it happen. They're too lazy with passive design at this point. Plus, they're going to make a mint off a crown store race change option from all the Argonians finally being free to change race. It's all part of the plan.

I believe I remember ZoS saying the racial changes with this update are only minor and they are planning on doing a much larger racial balance in a future patch, but they wanted to wait until they had a system where players can change races first. They also said after any major racial re-balance they would likely provide everybody with a free race change, much like they do when they respec skill and attribute points any time they do a major class/skill re-balance.

I agree that right now Argonians suck, but ZoS has already said that they intend to do more significant racial balancing, and offer a free race change to be fair to everybody, the very two things you are complaining about. Seems like much ado about nothing in this thread considering ZoS has made it pretty clear that they intend to fix a majority of the things people in this thread are complaining about.

Bang nail on head...they are gonna give the argonians a boost at some point when everyone has rolled evey race other than args, and then everyone will want to change race to args and will have to spend RL money to do so...so given how many players are not args times that by how much it costs to change race = many many ££££$$$$$