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Glass armor and it's unrealistic expectations
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AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Honestly I don't see why the 25k gold is required at all. Just getting all the fragments from writs is enough.
And the fact that you get a random chapter adds insult to injury. Either charge 25k and let us choose which chapter or don't charge and randomly give one.
I like the fact that the style material comes from chests. I think that's pretty cool.
It's a gold sink and this game needs more of them.
As someone else said, by the time you have ten fragments, the writ rewards alone should have given you almost 25KThe Moot Councillor1 -
I_killed_Vivec✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »Has anyone assessed the fragment drop rate from writ boxes yet? That seems like a crucial point to me.
I have a few dozen boxes stocked for when EU characters get transfered, but that might be some time.
This is what bothers me. Given the number of fragments you require it will take long enough if you get one fragment per writ.
I hate the idea of RNG in writ rewards, mainly because I still haven't received an ambrosia recipe fragment despite doing top level writs from the start. That kind of result just isn't acceptable if you have to collect hundreds of the things.
The whole idea behind the motifs being hard to get is because they want to boost sales, you are not meant to get (in this example), seven fragments of the Psijic Ambrosia recipe on your own, you are meant to buy/trade to get them. If everything in ESO was easy to get and took little effort that would severely diminish gameplay value of acquiring such items. In the case of Ambrosia fragments, I have personally found two using only one character per day to do the writ, but I have also received two other fragments from friends who had finished their own collection of seven. It's basic RNG, my friend.
I know that it's basic RNG, that's precisely what I don't want! RNG is not a measure of "effort" - I've done the top level writs, I've put in the effort, I just haven't received any fragments! If you want to reward effort, if you want to make it hard, then come up with more imaginative writs but guarantee rewards. But don't make someone a "better" crafter just because of RNG.
150 glass fragments, with the drop rate mentioned above that's 750 writs. Yes, you will be able to swap/trade, but someone has to find them and glass fragments will be rare - over three months of writs assuming 8 top level crafters! Clearly this is just a ploy to get people to buy the DLC - and to keep us busy for the next six months until the next DLC.
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Malediktus✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »With B2P comes obnoxious grinds that can be bypassed by paying money. That's just how this payment model works.
Exactly, but the F2P / B2P players never realize this until its too late@Malediktus --- Ebonheart Pact, EU-Megaserver4 -
pdebie64b16_ESO✭✭✭Malediktus wrote: »Sallington wrote: »With B2P comes obnoxious grinds that can be bypassed by paying money. That's just how this payment model works.
Exactly, but the F2P / B2P players never realize this until its too late
So many B2P/F2P games and they still not learned that?
Its like buying a new car and demanding free gasoline for the rest of the car's life.
Thats why i prever the P2P model (Be able to get all the items in game by playing the game without any form of a cash shop)
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Saturn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I_killed_Vivec wrote: »I_killed_Vivec wrote: »Has anyone assessed the fragment drop rate from writ boxes yet? That seems like a crucial point to me.
I have a few dozen boxes stocked for when EU characters get transfered, but that might be some time.
This is what bothers me. Given the number of fragments you require it will take long enough if you get one fragment per writ.
I hate the idea of RNG in writ rewards, mainly because I still haven't received an ambrosia recipe fragment despite doing top level writs from the start. That kind of result just isn't acceptable if you have to collect hundreds of the things.
The whole idea behind the motifs being hard to get is because they want to boost sales, you are not meant to get (in this example), seven fragments of the Psijic Ambrosia recipe on your own, you are meant to buy/trade to get them. If everything in ESO was easy to get and took little effort that would severely diminish gameplay value of acquiring such items. In the case of Ambrosia fragments, I have personally found two using only one character per day to do the writ, but I have also received two other fragments from friends who had finished their own collection of seven. It's basic RNG, my friend.
I know that it's basic RNG, that's precisely what I don't want! RNG is not a measure of "effort" - I've done the top level writs, I've put in the effort, I just haven't received any fragments! If you want to reward effort, if you want to make it hard, then come up with more imaginative writs but guarantee rewards. But don't make someone a "better" crafter just because of RNG.
150 glass fragments, with the drop rate mentioned above that's 750 writs. Yes, you will be able to swap/trade, but someone has to find them and glass fragments will be rare - over three months of writs assuming 8 top level crafters! Clearly this is just a ploy to get people to buy the DLC - and to keep us busy for the next six months until the next DLC.
I don't disagree that RNG sucks, this coming from someone that has been trying to get a Sharpened Master's Inferno staff from vDSA over hundreds of completions. And yes, they could change the writ systems and make the rewards better, they probably won't and I don't mind that getting the glass motif will be a pain in the ass. I would rather have them add something that's hard to get (regardless of how you get it) than just essentially handing it to you. If I hadn't grown tired of trying to farm vDSA I would probably have stopped anyway if I had gotten the items I wanted from there.
It's an MMO, I will take grindy repeatable artificial content over no content. If stuff wasn't a pain in the ass to get (like it wouldnt be in a singleplayer TES game), then people wouldn't bother doing a lot of the content that would otherwise be grinded for said stuff.
That's unfortunately how MMOs work
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BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭And i allready stack, since 2 Weaks, all Writs rewards in my inventory................#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
#betterhotfixgrindspots0 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
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Me too. Watch them change the rules a day before the patch and make only writs completed after the patch drop motifs. :PAnd i allready stack, since 2 Weaks, all Writs rewards in my inventory................1 -
SorataArisugawa✭✭✭✭✭And i allready stack, since 2 Weaks, all Writs rewards in my inventory................
Are you sure, that the old rewards drop that too? I heard it will be like some new rewards and the old will not drop the parts...
Does somebody know it for sure?
One other thing:
With all the effort, you will not use this style very much, because your armor will not be crafted. You will wear a dropset, because they are so much better, than the crafted ones.
I a up for the possibility of stylechange for crafters. Could be not that cheap, but all the new styls will be useless otherwise!
@ZOS_GinaBruno pls help!!! PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
SorataArisugawa✭✭✭✭✭
I thought they said already so...PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
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They did? Do you have a source? I haven't checked on PTS if the containers are different. No big deal if it's true, I'll stil get a bunch of surveys at least. But when they implemented Psijic Ambrosia, the recipe dropped from old containers.SorataArisugawa wrote: »1 -
SorataArisugawa✭✭✭✭✭
They did? Do you have a source? I haven't checked on PTS if the containers are different. No big deal if it's true, I'll stil get a bunch of surveys at least. But when they implemented Psijic Ambrosia, the recipe dropped from old containers.SorataArisugawa wrote: »
Thats the problem. I don't find the souce. But one of my guildies said the sam yesterday. He thought they said it somewhere. I read it in the sofrums but not from a staff member...PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Rioht✭✭✭I'm 100℅ for the grind the way it is. Hell, make em even harder.
I love having a type of armor or visual on my character that I had to WORK towards.
The style of armor gives absolutely 0 benfit over any others. It is literally just a cosmetic trophy that ShOULD take alot to get.
Otherwise it's just another dwemer or racial style that anyone can access anytime easily.0 -
MCMancub✭✭✭✭I'm just curious, but have they said anything official about them actually being in the crown store? Or is this all just the normal gloom and doom we see everyday here?
Glass is exponentially tougher to obtain than Dwemer, and that has a 5000 crown price attached to it. Adding it to the crown store could screw up their economy, not ours. If they priced the Glass motif at 5000 crowns, no one would buy Dwemer in the crown store because the price would be too high, relative to Glass priced at the same amount. Either they don't add Glass to the crown store, or they do and lower all other motif prices. Win-win for us?
So far, to me it looks like they just legitimately wanted a motif that was very difficult for players to obtain. I've no problem with that.Edited by MCMancub on August 11, 2015 3:22PM0 -
Aett_Thorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm 100℅ for the grind the way it is. Hell, make em even harder.
I love having a type of armor or visual on my character that I had to WORK towards.
The style of armor gives absolutely 0 benfit over any others. It is literally just a cosmetic trophy that ShOULD take alot to get.
Otherwise it's just another dwemer or racial style that anyone can access anytime easily.
Because it is just a cosmetic change is the exact reason I wish they WOULDN'T make it so hard to get. Since it's not a 'better' style, just different, why make it so damned hard to obtain? I have been wanting Glass armor in this game since the beginning, since it's one of my favorite styles. Now I find out that even if I grind writs for months I still might not be able to craft a whole set of armor of this style. Yeah, that's not exactly going to make me happy.
But that is EXACTLY the point behind making it so hard. A decent amount of people want the style, but hate the grind, so will just have to buy the motif style on the crown store. The ONLY reason to make it this damned hard to get is to increase sales. And that's why I hate this B2P model crap. Instead of giving us a decent story-line way to get the motif, we get a grind or we pay.5 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Aett_Thorn wrote: »I'm 100℅ for the grind the way it is. Hell, make em even harder.
I love having a type of armor or visual on my character that I had to WORK towards.
The style of armor gives absolutely 0 benfit over any others. It is literally just a cosmetic trophy that ShOULD take alot to get.
Otherwise it's just another dwemer or racial style that anyone can access anytime easily.
Because it is just a cosmetic change is the exact reason I wish they WOULDN'T make it so hard to get. Since it's not a 'better' style, just different, why make it so damned hard to obtain? I have been wanting Glass armor in this game since the beginning, since it's one of my favorite styles. Now I find out that even if I grind writs for months I still might not be able to craft a whole set of armor of this style. Yeah, that's not exactly going to make me happy.
But that is EXACTLY the point behind making it so hard. A decent amount of people want the style, but hate the grind, so will just have to buy the motif style on the crown store. The ONLY reason to make it this damned hard to get is to increase sales. And that's why I hate this B2P model crap. Instead of giving us a decent story-line way to get the motif, we get a grind or we pay.
I agree, thIs is just one big money grab from ZOS.2 -
Rioht✭✭✭Aett_Thorn wrote: »I'm 100℅ for the grind the way it is. Hell, make em even harder.
I love having a type of armor or visual on my character that I had to WORK towards.
The style of armor gives absolutely 0 benfit over any others. It is literally just a cosmetic trophy that ShOULD take alot to get.
Otherwise it's just another dwemer or racial style that anyone can access anytime easily.
Because it is just a cosmetic change is the exact reason I wish they WOULDN'T make it so hard to get. Since it's not a 'better' style, just different, why make it so damned hard to obtain? I have been wanting Glass armor in this game since the beginning, since it's one of my favorite styles. Now I find out that even if I grind writs for months I still might not be able to craft a whole set of armor of this style. Yeah, that's not exactly going to make me happy.
But that is EXACTLY the point behind making it so hard. A decent amount of people want the style, but hate the grind, so will just have to buy the motif style on the crown store. The ONLY reason to make it this damned hard to get is to increase sales. And that's why I hate this B2P model crap. Instead of giving us a decent story-line way to get the motif, we get a grind or we pay.
There is absolutely no reason to have to make this set yourself. Learn 1 chapter and trade for the other pieces or just buy them for gold.1 -
Kartalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I did all six crafting writs at once and got 1 fragment of a glass motif page.
Also I noticed that hirelings will send you some of the new materials (wood, smith, clothing) but I didn't get any glass fragments. Whether that will be a thing or not remains to be seen.
Edited by Kartalin on August 11, 2015 5:36PM-
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ThatNeonZebraAgain✭✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »I'm just curious, but have they said anything official about them actually being in the crown store? Or is this all just the normal gloom and doom we see everyday here?
Yes, they confirmed Glass Motif will be sold in Crown Store during the last ESO Live.
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MCMancub✭✭✭✭ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »Sallington wrote: »I'm just curious, but have they said anything official about them actually being in the crown store? Or is this all just the normal gloom and doom we see everyday here?
Yes, they confirmed Glass Motif will be sold in Crown Store during the last ESO Live.
Thanks for confirming this for me!0 -
Nebthet78✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭the shards are tradeable and only the pieces of paper before you put them together. Once you use the resin on them, they are no longer tradeable.Far too many characters to list any more.0 -
SorataArisugawa✭✭✭✭✭the shards are tradeable and only the pieces of paper before you put them together. Once you use the resin on them, they are no longer tradeable.
What? You will have just the finished chapter and have to throw it away? I doubt that. That would be ridiculous. Source of that pls!PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Darlon✭✭✭✭✭SorataArisugawa wrote: »
They did? Do you have a source? I haven't checked on PTS if the containers are different. No big deal if it's true, I'll stil get a bunch of surveys at least. But when they implemented Psijic Ambrosia, the recipe dropped from old containers.SorataArisugawa wrote: »
Thats the problem. I don't find the souce. But one of my guildies said the sam yesterday. He thought they said it somewhere. I read it in the sofrums but not from a staff member...
My current character has about 20 boxes in his inventory, so I will check after the EU character copy today if it works with the old boxes...
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Darlon✭✭✭✭✭SorataArisugawa wrote: »
He may be confusing the chapters with the crafting material (malachite)... Malachite shards work that way
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SorataArisugawa✭✭✭✭✭SorataArisugawa wrote: »
He may be confusing the chapters with the crafting material (malachite)... Malachite shards work that way
I thought so, too. And only them work that way. It would be insane. 25k for nothing would make it very very rare to get this set together.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
Aunatar✭✭✭I am perfectly fine with the rarity of the motif if the only way to get it is by playing the game. I really hope they won't put it on crown store.
Oh come on, who am I kidding? It's obvious they will
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SorataArisugawa✭✭✭✭✭I am perfectly fine with the rarity of the motif if the only way to get it is by playing the game. I really hope they won't put it on crown store.
Oh come on, who am I kidding? It's obvious they will
They will, and it is not the kill for me as long as I could get it in game.
What it nearly kills for me is, that I cant change the skin of a dropset to glass. I don't see me wearing this armor, because dropsets are again best in slot...Edited by SorataArisugawa on August 12, 2015 12:28PMPAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »Glass armor has a history in ES games for being the rarest armor in the game, its usually very rare to come by and hard to make.
So not true.I didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.0 -
The_Tip✭✭✭I love and hate this @ the same time.
Love it because Im sick of games you beat in 2 weeks, this is a game youre supposed to progress in, not reach end game everything in 2 months, so I appreciate the time and effort required by us master crafters to obtain such items. It makes it so we can then make some profit off our time and money spent.
I hate it because I too want everything now, but I understand it would be demoralizing to crafters everywhere if this was something everyone could obtain in 2 weeks with little to no effort.1 -
nordsavage✭✭✭✭✭I love Elder Scrolls but I am starting to regret getting into an MMO because of all this time sink BS. These games are energy sucking time goblins.I didn't choose tank life, tank life chose me.2
