Console: Should text chat be implemented with the IC patch?

JigenBakudan · July 2015

Yes

Didnt even know this wasn't an option till now. The heck?

Zusia211 · July 2015

mrskinskull wrote: »

This poll is funny.

You are asking the wrong people.
I play the game constantly and have only met two people who begrudgingly meh'ed in favor of a text chat option.

Go into game and ask around.

Most modern games on console use headset voice communication and controller driven input.

Key board clutter will likely alienate your core audience in favor of a niche group that is ALWAYS a perceived transgression from storming out to play ff anyway.

Go read the text chat thread and count how many people keep pretending to quit the game, yet comment constantly and are obviously going nowhere.

ESO is the best mmo on console. And its a pretty great game all around.

First off text chat wouldn't alienate your core audience it gives people an extra way to communicate in a game that out of 100 people you are lucky to see 10 using their mics. So saying go in game and ask around would be redundant since most won't be able to respond anyway.

I sit at a group dungeon waiting on people and no one talks to all you can do is just pick random players to join your group without knowing what class they favor. Optional text chat would fix some of the problems that holds back this game. It is not nearly the best MMO on the console right now. Games like FF and DCUO have way more content and better ways to communicate which puts them ahead for now. ESO has a chance to pass them if they continue to grow the game, but some form of text needs to be there, even if you have to use a app for phone/tablet/computer to do so.

Ace_of_Destiny · July 2015

Yes

Might I humbly suggest that all the "pro-texters" just pretend that the "anti-texters" aren't even posting?

They already trolled their way into getting the 95 page Text-Chat Thread closed.
(Though it was just as much the pro-text crowd's fault for falling for the bait.)

Don't let them bait you....again

Thank you for your time.

AuldWolf · July 2015

Yes

Another PC sympathiser, here. I don't like seeing anyone left out (which is why I try to encourage people to get the PC version so that they won't be). I want everyone to have text chat, the control interface they want, and mods. I realise it's unlikely on the consoles, but I still hope you guys get it. I really do. At this point I'm starting to feel guilty for even having text chat in the first place.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

No

AuldWolf wrote: »

Another PC sympathiser, here. I don't like seeing anyone left out (which is why I try to encourage people to get the PC version so that they won't be). I want everyone to have text chat, the control interface they want, and mods. I realise it's unlikely on the consoles, but I still hope you guys get it. I really do. At this point I'm starting to feel guilty for even having text chat in the first place.

Text chat aside....the add-ons. After hearing about Fallout 4 I have to wonder why it's not supported or at least soon to be

Paradox · July 2015

Yes

@NewBlacksmurf -- I'm genuinely curious why you dislike the idea of a text chat OPTION on consoles. I'm not trying to be a *** here, I just would really enjoy hearing some reasons why you wouldn't like it.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

No

Paradox wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf -- I'm genuinely curious why you dislike the idea of a text chat OPTION on consoles. I'm not trying to be a *** here, I just would really enjoy hearing some reasons why you wouldn't like it.

Disrespect for the Developers
-This community has a very bad habit of pouting and demanding things when something isn't of their liking even after the developer has shared why a change or decision was made...this is just another topic that has been addressed on ZOS live in April but rants, complaint threads, etc continue
-There are positive ways to provide feed back and I think that has occurred in April, and acknowledged again by ZOS, reviewed and later responded, as no in June but the compromise was radial text chat...(the horse is now dead 4 times over)

Time for a Change in the MMO space
-The main aspect is I came to this game to get away from the traditional MMORPG games like WoW, DAoC, Neverwinter, LoTRO, Aion, Warframe, Asherons Call, DCUO, Ever Quest, etc.
-This game looks and plays like TES rather than another MMORPG in a different template

Logic
-This community which is similar to many other MMO forum communities hasn't learned how to communicate which is evident in the forums. This bleeds over into the game, and is why I end up leaving MMORPG's
-I like this game but don't like the garbage that flows through text chat on PC, so I moved to console
-I now enjoy playing, very rarely encounter a problem socially and other than people's Kinects or open mic sounds popping up, I can mute it in less than 1-2 secs
-The console version solves all my issues that I've had on PC but many of which I took steps to minimize
-Allowing the PC traditional social aspects spill over into the console version is a BIG reason why a lot of people steer clear of MMORPG's

Hardware Requirements
-its not ideal for the majority of console players based on limited support of keyboards or second screen support
-adds an necessary cost
-most keyboard cables do not reach the distance some gamers sit from their consoles

Functionality
-two hands on a controller (no room for another device)
-the pop-up screen pauses the game (occurs on xbox one when text box is triggered)
-a gamer would have to stop playing in order to type a message (regardless of the device used to type)

Environment
-The majority of online games for console are voice only so it begins to split players into categories.
-allows spamming of text
-drives behaviors to avoid using the games systems which have other negative impacts (ie: ppl want text chat so they don't have to use the Grouping Tools)
-Screen shots and video capturing in the console environment can product very negative outcomes for online behavior in-game
-Drives the need of in-game moderators for monitoring text chat
-the consoles are built in a way to ignore text only without blocking a gamertag entirely for all games
-social interactions on consoles are not character based (see the above comment)

..........this is my opinion..............

theforgottenking1779 · July 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf -- I'm genuinely curious why you dislike the idea of a text chat OPTION on consoles. I'm not trying to be a *** here, I just would really enjoy hearing some reasons why you wouldn't like it.

Disrespect for the Developers
-This community has a very bad habit of pouting and demanding things when something isn't of their liking even after the developer has shared why a change or decision was made...this is just another topic that has been addressed on ZOS live in April but rants, complaint threads, etc continue
-There are positive ways to provide feed back and I think that has occurred in April, and acknowledged again by ZOS, reviewed and later responded, as no in June but the compromise was radial text chat...(the horse is now dead 4 times over)

Time for a Change in the MMO space
-The main aspect is I came to this game to get away from the traditional MMORPG games like WoW, DAoC, Neverwinter, LoTRO, Aion, Warframe, Asherons Call, DCUO, Ever Quest, etc.
-This game looks and plays like TES rather than another MMORPG in a different template

Logic
-This community which is similar to many other MMO forum communities hasn't learned how to communicate which is evident in the forums. This bleeds over into the game, and is why I end up leaving MMORPG's
-I like this game but don't like the garbage that flows through text chat on PC, so I moved to console
-I now enjoy playing, very rarely encounter a problem socially and other than people's Kinects or open mic sounds popping up, I can mute it in less than 1-2 secs
-The console version solves all my issues that I've had on PC but many of which I took steps to minimize
-Allowing the PC traditional social aspects spill over into the console version is a BIG reason why a lot of people steer clear of MMORPG's

Hardware Requirements
-its not ideal for the majority of console players based on limited support of keyboards or second screen support
-adds an necessary cost
-most keyboard cables do not reach the distance some gamers sit from their consoles

Functionality
-two hands on a controller (no room for another device)
-the pop-up screen pauses the game (occurs on xbox one when text box is triggered)
-a gamer would have to stop playing in order to type a message (regardless of the device used to type)

Environment
-The majority of online games for console are voice only so it begins to split players into categories.
-allows spamming of text
-drives behaviors to avoid using the games systems which have other negative impacts (ie: ppl want text chat so they don't have to use the Grouping Tools)
-Screen shots and video capturing in the console environment can product very negative outcomes for online behavior in-game
-Drives the need of in-game moderators for monitoring text chat
-the consoles are built in a way to ignore text only without blocking a gamertag entirely for all games
-social interactions on consoles are not character based (see the above comment)

..........this is my opinion..............

Yeah and all the reasons you stated it Shouldn't be added.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

sirhctpac · July 2015

Yes

Stop that ^ !

@NewBlacksmurf Look, man, I hate to say this, but you're looking for a single player TES with that list and that's not what this is. Furthermore, there isn't an argument in the world that can stand up to 'some people can't hear.' Are they supposed to be punished for that? Finally, have you made it through Craglorn and what's your undaunted rank? Because none of those arguments hold up at end game.
Also, text chat would obviously be optional.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

No

sirhctpac wrote: »

Stop that ^ !

@NewBlacksmurf Look, man, I hate to say this, but you're looking for a single player TES with that list and that's not what this is. Furthermore, there isn't an argument in the world that can stand up to 'some people can't hear.' Are they supposed to be punished for that? Finally, have you made it through Craglorn and what's your undaunted rank? Because none of those arguments hold up at end game.
Also, text chat would obviously be optional.

No, I'm looking for a non traditional online Role Playing game.
This fits into what I'm looking for...the Matt F interviews early on in development and my closed BETA experiences are what draw me into this game. I was fully aware of the social aspects of a PC MMO so I turn all but guild and party text chat off.

The same carried over into this game. We are all different and different people come to games for different reasons and expectations. You seem to have come for a MMORPG game that has a traditional style to it. The next guy or lady have their reasons that may also differ from both of us.

Neither is wrong or right but based on what the developer intends to present in this case, happens to be inline with what game I hope to experience on console. Its a good fit for me, so while I gather what bothers others, this isn't a feature that was present and then later removed. It never existed...its nothing wrong with anyone asking for it but after the response was made in April and again in June...its now a bit annoying to argue with anyone who like what exists regardless if that differs from what you like and/or dislike.

Edit:

Don't confuse the genre "MMORPG" with game features.
It comes off that a lot of forum members here are having a hard time that a game in the MMORPG genre is without a feature that is often present on PC.

The feature is based on a development plan and what technology allows.
As technology improves a developer can weigh options and craft their game into the experience that they hope to deliver. Everry game isn't for everyone, but in this case there are options.

PS4 offers things the xbox one doesn't and vice versa...but also the PC offers experiences that neither the PS4 or Xbox One offer. Its a great opportunity for different gamers to experience a good game at their interest level. Even the sub was removed for console which is a traditional MMORPG feature but I paid many months while the sub was required on PC.

I saw an opportunity and took it...left PC behind, I'm happy

You gotta find your happiness where it exists too...or not, but that ups to you how you go about it.

sirhctpac · July 2015

Yes

See, the onus is not on those who CANNOT access content due to a design flaw to fall in line. The onus is on those that have your view to simply disable text chat.

Saturn · July 2015

Yes

I play on the PC, but I thought I'd vote anyway, cuss you know lack of text chat is a MAJOR OVERSIGHT.

Kleptobrainiac · July 2015

No

sirhctpac wrote: »

See, the onus is not on those who CANNOT access content due to a design flaw to fall in line. The onus is on those that have your view to simply disable text chat.

Incorrect. The onus is on those who need to adapt to the game design, which does not include text chat.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

No

sirhctpac wrote: »

See, the onus is not on those who CANNOT access content due to a design flaw to fall in line. The onus is on those that have your view to simply disable text chat.

Chat is disabled already....
its simple and it works for the console crowd.

I've yet to run into console friends who are having an issue with text chat not being on there.
(These are existing xbox friends for the past 11 years (100+) and new friends met on this game (Approx 48 new)

Are there people out there who want it, sure, but I don't run into them as its likely that they would not talk to gamers who are pro mic. Different strokes for different folks

sirhctpac · July 2015

Yes

I get the sense that I'm being baited here so I'll simply say that there are those who are physically incapable of the adaptation you ask for; with something as simple as disabling text chat available, I find it hard to believe that anyone would wish to deny said group the ability to interact. That's all.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

No

sirhctpac wrote: »

I get the sense that I'm being baited here so I'll simply say that there are those who are physically incapable of the adaptation you ask for; with something as simple as disabling text chat available, I find it hard to believe that anyone would wish to deny said group the ability to interact. That's all.

Question to you:
-Why should those who are happy with the games current state of communication be open to it changing?
-Why should people need to bother with disabling something that isn't needed?

Geemarc · July 2015

Yes

Disrespect for the Developers
-This community has a very bad habit of pouting and demanding things when something isn't of their liking even after the developer has shared why a change or decision was made...this is just another topic that has been addressed on ZOS live in April but rants, complaint threads, etc continue
-There are positive ways to provide feed back and I think that has occurred in April, and acknowledged again by ZOS, reviewed and later responded, as no in June but the compromise was radial text chat...(the horse is now dead 4 times over)

A bad decision is a bad decision regardless. I've read the reasons they gave about text being to big in a lounge environment on large TVs and I do not accept them. Text chat has worked on many other console games. Its just a cop out.

Time for a Change in the MMO space
-The main aspect is I came to this game to get away from the traditional MMORPG games like WoW, DAoC, Neverwinter, LoTRO, Aion, Warframe, Asherons Call, DCUO, Ever Quest, etc.
-This game looks and plays like TES rather than another MMORPG in a different template

This is not a single player game, having an optional text chat so people can properly communicate with the rest of the player base is essential for the longevity of this game. If it was optional people like yourself could still play the way you want and not be effected.

Logic
-This community which is similar to many other MMO forum communities hasn't learned how to communicate which is evident in the forums. This bleeds over into the game, and is why I end up leaving MMORPG's
-I like this game but don't like the garbage that flows through text chat on PC, so I moved to console
-I now enjoy playing, very rarely encounter a problem socially and other than people's Kinects or open mic sounds popping up, I can mute it in less than 1-2 secs
-The console version solves all my issues that I've had on PC but many of which I took steps to minimize
-Allowing the PC traditional social aspects spill over into the console version is a BIG reason why a lot of people steer clear of MMORPG's

There is no logic in having a lack of communication in a multiplayer game. There is just as much garbage on voice comms. If text chat was optional it could just be disabled and you wouldn't even know its there.

Hardware Requirements
-its not ideal for the majority of console players based on limited support of keyboards or second screen support
-adds an necessary cost
-most keyboard cables do not reach the distance some gamers sit from their consoles

These points are all unnecessary, no one is asking for keyboard only support for text chat. Why would you need another device, you can use a gamepad to type its just slower than a keyboard (which could be optional).

Functionality
-two hands on a controller (no room for another device)
-the pop-up screen pauses the game (occurs on xbox one when text box is triggered)
-a gamer would have to stop playing in order to type a message (regardless of the device used to type)

Voice chat could and would still be used at anytime, text chat is mainly for coordinating activities between events and finding people to play with, which is not possible with the current local voice chat system and broken group finder. A large proportion of players can not even hear you or reply as they either have voice comms turned off, do not have a microphone or are in a PSN party. No one is going to type mid combat.

Environment
-The majority of online games for console are voice only so it begins to split players into categories.
-allows spamming of text
-drives behaviors to avoid using the games systems which have other negative impacts (ie: ppl want text chat so they don't have to use the Grouping Tools)
-Screen shots and video capturing in the console environment can product very negative outcomes for online behavior in-game
-Drives the need of in-game moderators for monitoring text chat
-the consoles are built in a way to ignore text only without blocking a gamertag entirely for all games
-social interactions on consoles are not character based (see the above comment)

All of these points can happen on a voice based system, monitoring voice comms chat is much harder than a text based system and base on some of the things I've heard playing the game I highly doubt they even bother. There is nothing wrong with having options, people should be able to use voice chat and text based chat it isn't splitting anything. The current grouping tools are inadequate and do not properly work. Group finder is completely broken.

BigMac_Smiley · July 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

sirhctpac wrote: »

I get the sense that I'm being baited here so I'll simply say that there are those who are physically incapable of the adaptation you ask for; with something as simple as disabling text chat available, I find it hard to believe that anyone would wish to deny said group the ability to interact. That's all.

Question to you:
-Why should those who are happy with the games current state of communication be open to it changing?
-Why should people need to bother with disabling something that isn't needed?

1) If the majority want change why should that change not come. Why should the majority suffer just for a few. (Granted I don't know who the major would be pro text or no text)
2) Why would it hurt you to minimize you text screen, or change a setting then never have to touch it again. Come on that is really not a issue. One of the first things I do when I get a new game is adjust the settings to my liking. Do you have auto loot on or hide your helmet? Turing text chat off would not be anymore difficult.

Mirra_Halfelven · July 2015

Yes

I see @NewBlacksmurf is hard at work trying to get this thread closed too by baiting people.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

No

Geemarc wrote: »

A bad decision is a bad decision regardless. I've read the reasons they gave about text being to big in a lounge environment on large TVs and I do not accept them. Text chat has worked on many other console games. Its just a cop out.

Is the decision bad or is it a decision that you disagree with?

This is not a single player game, having an optional text chat so people can properly communicate with the rest of the player base is essential for the longevity of this game. If it was optional people like yourself could still play the way you want and not be effected.

No its not a single player game, nor do I want a single player game as I normally play 90% of the time grouped with 2-4 players.
Adding the feature with the ability to disable it doesn't make communication optional. it only makes the use of that type of communication optional. Don't you see, that its the same issue that you're trying to resolve but as a result of adding text chat, this problem becomes compounded by two sets of communicators with the same unresolved issues.
People playing they want they want comes in different means by choice. Right now this game is playing with a controller and via voice chat only. If that's not the experience you prefer, its best not to choose this game.

There is no logic in having a lack of communication in a multiplayer game. There is just as much garbage on voice comms. If text chat was optional it could just be disabled and you wouldn't even know its there.

There isn't a lack of communication, people are able to talk freely and are doing so as I play all the time. There are outages of the voice comms but give Zenimax time to work on stabilizing the game.

Again, adding another form of communication is more impact-full than you are comprehending.
Perhaps thinking of playing on PC, and you join a group for Crag or for anything and the group leader puts in text chat ***Required Vent info*** People feel a certain type of way about being suggested to take part in a form of communication that may be outside of their comfort because its not supported in game.

OR

As many identify someone who may have a handicap whether its language, comprehension or inability to speak. The current form of console communication for the majority of games is voice. While there are some examples of game that support both, when buying a console, the online expectation is voice chat. If Zenimax wanted text chat they would've included it, but they did not.

These points are all unnecessary, no one is asking for keyboard only support for text chat. Why would you need another device, you can use a gamepad to type its just slower than a keyboard (which could be optional).

Some are asking for keyboard support with text chat..while I'm not for the feature, you have to be open minded that text chat as you want it to exist isn't how others want it to exist.

Voice chat could and would still be used at anytime, text chat is mainly for coordinating activities between events and finding people to play with, which is not possible with the current local voice chat system and broken group finder. A large proportion of players can not even hear you or reply as they either have voice comms turned off, do not have a microphone or are in a PSN party. No one is going to type mid combat.

There is literally nothing that text chat in-game provides in this game that voice chat and the consoles current support of messaging cannot provide. The timing and planning may differ but its communication...adjust and adapt and play.

All of these points can happen on a voice based system, monitoring voice comms chat is much harder than a text based system and base on some of the things I've heard playing the game I highly doubt they even bother. There is nothing wrong with having options, people should be able to use voice chat and text based chat it isn't splitting anything. The current grouping tools are inadequate and do not properly work. Group finder is completely broken.

Yes, all of these can happen and possible some have occurred but what we don't see are repeating threads about it. There is an agenda out there, and this agenda in my opinion doesn't seem to care about what those who do enjoy the game feel or their opinions which is being made obvious by some of the comments towards those who disagree with adding text chat.

There is something wrong with having options for one group at the cost of taking options away from another group. The current tools in the game do not meet your standards and that is fine, there are other options that exist for this game.

The "Grouping Tools" have the same issues on PC as console.
People on PC are using text chat to work around those issues. People on console are using voice chat to work around those issues.

Adding text chat doesn't solve the issue...the issue is a function that the developer may need to work on but adding to the fire is not the answer in the situations you've shared.

....we are not going to agree on this...
My goal is not to convince you, but if that's your goal, please stop now

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

No

Mirra_Halfelven wrote: »

I see @NewBlacksmurf is hard at work trying to get this thread closed too by baiting people.

MIRRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be honest, I've been trying to participate and also make suggestions for a discussions but some reason, someone jumps in and starts an argument.

I've seen you around, I hope you're doing great...
Though we bump heads on this and I've never met you...I kinda think you're cool

If it wasn't for this topic....dangit :-)

Geemarc · July 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Geemarc wrote: »

A bad decision is a bad decision regardless. I've read the reasons they gave about text being to big in a lounge environment on large TVs and I do not accept them. Text chat has worked on many other console games. Its just a cop out.

Is the decision bad or is it a decision that you disagree with?

This is not a single player game, having an optional text chat so people can properly communicate with the rest of the player base is essential for the longevity of this game. If it was optional people like yourself could still play the way you want and not be effected.

No its not a single player game, nor do I want a single player game as I normally play 90% of the time grouped with 2-4 players.
Adding the feature with the ability to disable it doesn't make communication optional. it only makes the use of that type of communication optional. Don't you see, that its the same issue that you're trying to resolve but as a result of adding text chat, this problem becomes compounded by two sets of communicators with the same unresolved issues.
People playing they want they want comes in different means by choice. Right now this game is playing with a controller and via voice chat only. If that's not the experience you prefer, its best not to choose this game.

There is no logic in having a lack of communication in a multiplayer game. There is just as much garbage on voice comms. If text chat was optional it could just be disabled and you wouldn't even know its there.

There isn't a lack of communication, people are able to talk freely and are doing so as I play all the time. There are outages of the voice comms but give Zenimax time to work on stabilizing the game.

Again, adding another form of communication is more impact-full than you are comprehending.
Perhaps thinking of playing on PC, and you join a group for Crag or for anything and the group leader puts in text chat ***Required Vent info*** People feel a certain type of way about being suggested to take part in a form of communication that may be outside of their comfort because its not supported in game.

OR

As many identify someone who may have a handicap whether its language, comprehension or inability to speak. The current form of console communication for the majority of games is voice. While there are some examples of game that support both, when buying a console, the online expectation is voice chat. If Zenimax wanted text chat they would've included it, but they did not.

These points are all unnecessary, no one is asking for keyboard only support for text chat. Why would you need another device, you can use a gamepad to type its just slower than a keyboard (which could be optional).

Some are asking for keyboard support with text chat..while I'm not for the feature, you have to be open minded that text chat as you want it to exist isn't how others want it to exist.

Voice chat could and would still be used at anytime, text chat is mainly for coordinating activities between events and finding people to play with, which is not possible with the current local voice chat system and broken group finder. A large proportion of players can not even hear you or reply as they either have voice comms turned off, do not have a microphone or are in a PSN party. No one is going to type mid combat.

There is literally nothing that text chat in-game provides in this game that voice chat and the consoles current support of messaging cannot provide. The timing and planning may differ but its communication...adjust and adapt and play.

All of these points can happen on a voice based system, monitoring voice comms chat is much harder than a text based system and base on some of the things I've heard playing the game I highly doubt they even bother. There is nothing wrong with having options, people should be able to use voice chat and text based chat it isn't splitting anything. The current grouping tools are inadequate and do not properly work. Group finder is completely broken.

Yes, all of these can happen and possible some have occurred but what we don't see are repeating threads about it. There is an agenda out there, and this agenda in my opinion doesn't seem to care about what those who do enjoy the game feel or their opinions which is being made obvious by some of the comments towards those who disagree with adding text chat.

There is something wrong with having options for one group at the cost of taking options away from another group. The current tools in the game do not meet your standards and that is fine, there are other options that exist for this game.

The "Grouping Tools" have the same issues on PC as console.
People on PC are using text chat to work around those issues. People on console are using voice chat to work around those issues.

Adding text chat doesn't solve the issue...the issue is a function that the developer may need to work on but adding to the fire is not the answer in the situations you've shared.

....we are not going to agree on this...
My goal is not to convince you, but if that's your goal, please stop now

I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am replying to your reasons for not having the a text based chat system with my personal opinion on your comments. You seem to want to hinder the ability of people to play this game because it seems that you have a group of people to play with and it therefore is not in your interest, even if it does not effect you.

The current voice based system is not adequate to find groups consistently. It does not work with the party finder (which is also broken and another issue). When you finally get a group in the party finder people do not reply on voice comms probably because they have it disabled or just do not wish to speak. There are plenty of people that do not want to talk on voice chat having an optional text chat would help alleviate this problem. I have not asked for anything to be taken away for the people that wish and enjoy talking in voice chat. I do and would still use voice chat for party situations. The current voice chat system makes is extremely difficult for anyone to find groups, it is a huge hindrance and a localized voice chat cannot work around this problem.

IMO ZoS made a huge mistake not including a text based chat system. They have also stated that they still may add a text based system (maybe not a chat window). I am giving my reasons why this is necessary to counter your arguments against and pointing out why a lot of them do not even apply and if they do they also apply to a voice based chat system.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

No

Geemarc wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Geemarc wrote: »

A bad decision is a bad decision regardless. I've read the reasons they gave about text being to big in a lounge environment on large TVs and I do not accept them. Text chat has worked on many other console games. Its just a cop out.

Is the decision bad or is it a decision that you disagree with?

This is not a single player game, having an optional text chat so people can properly communicate with the rest of the player base is essential for the longevity of this game. If it was optional people like yourself could still play the way you want and not be effected.

No its not a single player game, nor do I want a single player game as I normally play 90% of the time grouped with 2-4 players.
Adding the feature with the ability to disable it doesn't make communication optional. it only makes the use of that type of communication optional. Don't you see, that its the same issue that you're trying to resolve but as a result of adding text chat, this problem becomes compounded by two sets of communicators with the same unresolved issues.
People playing they want they want comes in different means by choice. Right now this game is playing with a controller and via voice chat only. If that's not the experience you prefer, its best not to choose this game.

There is no logic in having a lack of communication in a multiplayer game. There is just as much garbage on voice comms. If text chat was optional it could just be disabled and you wouldn't even know its there.

There isn't a lack of communication, people are able to talk freely and are doing so as I play all the time. There are outages of the voice comms but give Zenimax time to work on stabilizing the game.

Again, adding another form of communication is more impact-full than you are comprehending.
Perhaps thinking of playing on PC, and you join a group for Crag or for anything and the group leader puts in text chat ***Required Vent info*** People feel a certain type of way about being suggested to take part in a form of communication that may be outside of their comfort because its not supported in game.

OR

As many identify someone who may have a handicap whether its language, comprehension or inability to speak. The current form of console communication for the majority of games is voice. While there are some examples of game that support both, when buying a console, the online expectation is voice chat. If Zenimax wanted text chat they would've included it, but they did not.

These points are all unnecessary, no one is asking for keyboard only support for text chat. Why would you need another device, you can use a gamepad to type its just slower than a keyboard (which could be optional).

Some are asking for keyboard support with text chat..while I'm not for the feature, you have to be open minded that text chat as you want it to exist isn't how others want it to exist.

Voice chat could and would still be used at anytime, text chat is mainly for coordinating activities between events and finding people to play with, which is not possible with the current local voice chat system and broken group finder. A large proportion of players can not even hear you or reply as they either have voice comms turned off, do not have a microphone or are in a PSN party. No one is going to type mid combat.

There is literally nothing that text chat in-game provides in this game that voice chat and the consoles current support of messaging cannot provide. The timing and planning may differ but its communication...adjust and adapt and play.

All of these points can happen on a voice based system, monitoring voice comms chat is much harder than a text based system and base on some of the things I've heard playing the game I highly doubt they even bother. There is nothing wrong with having options, people should be able to use voice chat and text based chat it isn't splitting anything. The current grouping tools are inadequate and do not properly work. Group finder is completely broken.

Yes, all of these can happen and possible some have occurred but what we don't see are repeating threads about it. There is an agenda out there, and this agenda in my opinion doesn't seem to care about what those who do enjoy the game feel or their opinions which is being made obvious by some of the comments towards those who disagree with adding text chat.

There is something wrong with having options for one group at the cost of taking options away from another group. The current tools in the game do not meet your standards and that is fine, there are other options that exist for this game.

The "Grouping Tools" have the same issues on PC as console.
People on PC are using text chat to work around those issues. People on console are using voice chat to work around those issues.

Adding text chat doesn't solve the issue...the issue is a function that the developer may need to work on but adding to the fire is not the answer in the situations you've shared.

....we are not going to agree on this...
My goal is not to convince you, but if that's your goal, please stop now

I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am replying to your reasons for not having the a text based chat system with my personal opinion on your comments. You seem to want to hinder the ability of people to play this game because it seems that you have a group of people to play with and it therefore is not in your interest, even if it does not effect you.

The current voice based system is not adequate to find groups consistently. It does not work with the party finder (which is also broken and another issue). When you finally get a group in the party finder people do not reply on voice comms probably because they have it disabled or just do not wish to speak. There are plenty of people that do not want to talk on voice chat having an optional text chat would help alleviate this problem. I have not asked for anything to be taken away for the people that wish and enjoy talking in voice chat. I do and would still use voice chat for party situations. The current voice chat system makes is extremely difficult for anyone to find groups, it is a huge hindrance and a localized voice chat cannot work around this problem.

IMO ZoS made a huge mistake not including a text based chat system. They have also stated that they still may add a text based system (maybe not a chat window). I am giving my reasons why this is necessary to counter your arguments against and pointing out why a lot of them do not even apply and if they do they also apply to a voice based chat system.

This is your opinion...I don't find your opinion to be valid.
You've shared your thoughts on mine...agree to disagree

BigMac_Smiley · July 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Geemarc wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Geemarc wrote: »

A bad decision is a bad decision regardless. I've read the reasons they gave about text being to big in a lounge environment on large TVs and I do not accept them. Text chat has worked on many other console games. Its just a cop out.

Is the decision bad or is it a decision that you disagree with?

This is not a single player game, having an optional text chat so people can properly communicate with the rest of the player base is essential for the longevity of this game. If it was optional people like yourself could still play the way you want and not be effected.

No its not a single player game, nor do I want a single player game as I normally play 90% of the time grouped with 2-4 players.
Adding the feature with the ability to disable it doesn't make communication optional. it only makes the use of that type of communication optional. Don't you see, that its the same issue that you're trying to resolve but as a result of adding text chat, this problem becomes compounded by two sets of communicators with the same unresolved issues.
People playing they want they want comes in different means by choice. Right now this game is playing with a controller and via voice chat only. If that's not the experience you prefer, its best not to choose this game.

There is no logic in having a lack of communication in a multiplayer game. There is just as much garbage on voice comms. If text chat was optional it could just be disabled and you wouldn't even know its there.

There isn't a lack of communication, people are able to talk freely and are doing so as I play all the time. There are outages of the voice comms but give Zenimax time to work on stabilizing the game.

Again, adding another form of communication is more impact-full than you are comprehending.
Perhaps thinking of playing on PC, and you join a group for Crag or for anything and the group leader puts in text chat ***Required Vent info*** People feel a certain type of way about being suggested to take part in a form of communication that may be outside of their comfort because its not supported in game.

OR

As many identify someone who may have a handicap whether its language, comprehension or inability to speak. The current form of console communication for the majority of games is voice. While there are some examples of game that support both, when buying a console, the online expectation is voice chat. If Zenimax wanted text chat they would've included it, but they did not.

These points are all unnecessary, no one is asking for keyboard only support for text chat. Why would you need another device, you can use a gamepad to type its just slower than a keyboard (which could be optional).

Some are asking for keyboard support with text chat..while I'm not for the feature, you have to be open minded that text chat as you want it to exist isn't how others want it to exist.

Voice chat could and would still be used at anytime, text chat is mainly for coordinating activities between events and finding people to play with, which is not possible with the current local voice chat system and broken group finder. A large proportion of players can not even hear you or reply as they either have voice comms turned off, do not have a microphone or are in a PSN party. No one is going to type mid combat.

There is literally nothing that text chat in-game provides in this game that voice chat and the consoles current support of messaging cannot provide. The timing and planning may differ but its communication...adjust and adapt and play.

All of these points can happen on a voice based system, monitoring voice comms chat is much harder than a text based system and base on some of the things I've heard playing the game I highly doubt they even bother. There is nothing wrong with having options, people should be able to use voice chat and text based chat it isn't splitting anything. The current grouping tools are inadequate and do not properly work. Group finder is completely broken.

Yes, all of these can happen and possible some have occurred but what we don't see are repeating threads about it. There is an agenda out there, and this agenda in my opinion doesn't seem to care about what those who do enjoy the game feel or their opinions which is being made obvious by some of the comments towards those who disagree with adding text chat.

There is something wrong with having options for one group at the cost of taking options away from another group. The current tools in the game do not meet your standards and that is fine, there are other options that exist for this game.

The "Grouping Tools" have the same issues on PC as console.
People on PC are using text chat to work around those issues. People on console are using voice chat to work around those issues.

Adding text chat doesn't solve the issue...the issue is a function that the developer may need to work on but adding to the fire is not the answer in the situations you've shared.

....we are not going to agree on this...
My goal is not to convince you, but if that's your goal, please stop now

I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am replying to your reasons for not having the a text based chat system with my personal opinion on your comments. You seem to want to hinder the ability of people to play this game because it seems that you have a group of people to play with and it therefore is not in your interest, even if it does not effect you.

The current voice based system is not adequate to find groups consistently. It does not work with the party finder (which is also broken and another issue). When you finally get a group in the party finder people do not reply on voice comms probably because they have it disabled or just do not wish to speak. There are plenty of people that do not want to talk on voice chat having an optional text chat would help alleviate this problem. I have not asked for anything to be taken away for the people that wish and enjoy talking in voice chat. I do and would still use voice chat for party situations. The current voice chat system makes is extremely difficult for anyone to find groups, it is a huge hindrance and a localized voice chat cannot work around this problem.

IMO ZoS made a huge mistake not including a text based chat system. They have also stated that they still may add a text based system (maybe not a chat window). I am giving my reasons why this is necessary to counter your arguments against and pointing out why a lot of them do not even apply and if they do they also apply to a voice based chat system.

This is your opinion...I don't find your opinion to be valid.
You've shared your thoughts on mine...agree to disagree

Listen he is not sharing his thoughts to convince you but to convince others who are not sure where they stand. It is the same reason you share your thoughts to inform and convince others. I like hearing what everyone has to say, and I will share when I feel necessary. Don't take personal offense. Just know everyone is speaking to a crowd of people, not just one person.

Zusia211 · July 2015

I am fine if everyone used voice chat. I don't cause don't care to buy another mic while I have had a wireless keyboard. All I ask is go into a main town in game and into a large area and actually see how many are actually using the voice chat. I was in a town the other night around 20-30 people and out of those I saw 2-3 using a mic.

Also thought of use complaining is disrespecting developers to me sounds ridiculous. Games on the console these games can constantly be fixed and added to with them being able to release dlc. So people complaining or pointing out issues actually helps developers pick out what things they could fix and add-on. Yes was a 95 page topic with so much repetition valid, NO, but a few people commenting on what they want and offering some suggestions on ways to add to the game could help developers later on.

Lupus_Draco · July 2015

Yes

I so wish that I could exercise my freedom of speech at any moment I felt it necessary. Unfortunately my speech after reading some of these arguments would be very much against Zeni code of conduct. It's amazing the absolutely pointless arguments I see coming from some of you as reasons to not implement Text Chat. I can only assume that life is very hard to live with a single digit I.Q. and you just want our gaming experience to be just as difficult. If even PC "Master Race" players came down off of that high and mighty cloud to vote yes as sympathizers. Then obviously no argument for "NO" could even possibly be valid. In all seriousness though. MMO communication was not broke, therefore did not need to be fixed. Text Chat has been the form of communication and organization in any MMO since the beginning. Considering I had a text chat box on PC playing this game, I'd like to play the same game on console. The SAME game. Not a dumbed down version of it. And I don't want to hear anything about "then play it on PC" when PS4 is just as powerful as my Laptop. My Laptop ran the game perfectly fine with a chat box. I just prefer to play through the action of ESO on a controller, without having to run 2 separate programs to do so. Sometimes I was tweaking Pinnacle more than I was playing. Anyway, Happy Gaming.

Drake_Fury · July 2015

No

To everyone, Understand that I don't take @NewBlacksmurf 's post apart as an offense to him, or to anyone for that matter. I just think that those points require clarification.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Disrespect for the Developers
-This community has a very bad habit of pouting and demanding things when something isn't of their liking even after the developer has shared why a change or decision was made...this is just another topic that has been addressed on ZOS live in April but rants, complaint threads, etc continue
-There are positive ways to provide feed back and I think that has occurred in April, and acknowledged again by ZOS, reviewed and later responded, as no in June but the compromise was radial text chat...(the horse is now dead 4 times over)

I really don't think adding arguments is disrespecting the developpers. If you are a developper, you first must be open to criticism. Also, if we are here, on the eso forums, trying to make things change for ESO, it means that, on the contrary, we respect them. We try to show them that this game is very good and could be improved upon. If we were just bashing them publicly on reddit, it would be something else. But we're here, where only ESO devs, ESO moderators, and ESO players can see what we say.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Time for a Change in the MMO space
-The main aspect is I came to this game to get away from the traditional MMORPG games like WoW, DAoC, Neverwinter, LoTRO, Aion, Warframe, Asherons Call, DCUO, Ever Quest, etc.
-This game looks and plays like TES rather than another MMORPG in a different template

What is a normal TES game? It's a single player game. ESO has those elements in the form of many, many, many quests. (over 1000 accordingto the achievement requiring 1000 of them). I currently am at over 850 of those quests done. Surely, I'm not the only one. I have 3 zones of solo quests remaining, completing greenshade, then doing malabal tor and reaper's marsh. After that, what remains? I'll tell you, what remains is a mmorpg. All the rest of the content requires 4-12 people to complete. 4 is not so bad to gather. 12 gets a bit harder. The group finder makes groups for dungeons. I'm yet too see "craglorn" in it. Not just that. 12 man raids are hard. You don't throw 12 people who have no concept of what an mmorpg is in those raids, they will only get ***. All the soloing they've done up to there will serve them in no way for all the rest of the content, except maybe PvP. When you get to endgame content, you need the mmorpg "holy trinity". You need AT LEAST a tank, a healer, and DPSs and they need to know their job. Sadly, the soloing system that got them up to that point never really showed them how that works.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Logic
-This community which is similar to many other MMO forum communities hasn't learned how to communicate which is evident in the forums. This bleeds over into the game, and is why I end up leaving MMORPG's
-I like this game but don't like the garbage that flows through text chat on PC, so I moved to console
-I now enjoy playing, very rarely encounter a problem socially and other than people's Kinects or open mic sounds popping up, I can mute it in less than 1-2 secs
-The console version solves all my issues that I've had on PC but many of which I took steps to minimize
-Allowing the PC traditional social aspects spill over into the console version is a BIG reason why a lot of people steer clear of MMORPG's

If you can mute a guy in voice chat, why can't you put him in ignore list with text? That's true for everything that is related to text. In a game I played, a few years ago, every time major patch came in, about 50 gold sellers appeared. 50 spammers is a lot. But then a week later I did not see any spam, why? Because as soon as I saw a spammer, i would put him in blacklist, meaning I wouldn't see anything he wrote ever again. I agree that people haven't learned how to communicate. A lot of people are jerks. But jerks will be jerks with a headset justas much as they can be jerks with a keyboard. Blacklist them and you're done.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hardware Requirements
-its not ideal for the majority of console players based on limited support of keyboards or second screen support
-adds an necessary cost
-most keyboard cables do not reach the distance some gamers sit from their consoles

The cable they give to charge my controller doesn't reach where I normally lie to play. I'm not sure about Xbox, but for PS4, they did give a cheap crap mic, which is about as much quality as the visual keyboard that they also supply within the software. If you want to buy a decent keyboard, it will cost 10-15$. If you want to buy a decent headset, it will cost 75-100$.
Where are the unnecessary costs? If you want a decent keyboard that is also wireless, then maybe it will be 30$?

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Functionality
-two hands on a controller (no room for another device)
-the pop-up screen pauses the game (occurs on xbox one when text box is triggered)
-a gamer would have to stop playing in order to type a message (regardless of the device used to type)

When you're on PC, you have to let go of the mouse to type, and since you're typing, WASD doesn't make you move. How is this any different? Because it's on console doesn't make it harder, instead of letting go of the mouse, you let go of your gamepad. The cool part is that you can still use the voice chat if you're unable to let go of your gamepad at a certain point.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Environment
-The majority of online games for console are voice only so it begins to split players into categories.
-allows spamming of text
-drives behaviors to avoid using the games systems which have other negative impacts (ie: ppl want text chat so they don't have to use the Grouping Tools)
-Screen shots and video capturing in the console environment can product very negative outcomes for online behavior in-game
-Drives the need of in-game moderators for monitoring text chat
-the consoles are built in a way to ignore text only without blocking a gamertag entirely for all games
-social interactions on consoles are not character based (see the above comment)

..........this is my opinion..............

The console games you're reffering to are games in which you have 2-8 people in the same game at the same time. Not a megaserver. Every mmorpg that came out on console had text chat. Those regular multiplayer games are often either shooters or sports games. Games in which the communication needed is generally, shoot the left guy, I got the right one" or, "pass the puck here, put it on net, snipe, deke around that guy." I've tried a veteran dungeon the other day with a few friends. When we got to the last boss, strategy was: "Ok, this guy switches randomly between 3 phases, first one he's red and throws fireballs, stay out of red circles and DPS. Second phase is when he goes green. At that point, everyone stacks on the healer, healer uses ultimate and everything he has to keep us alive while we DPS from a distance. Third phase, he will go yellow. We need to be super far from him or we die. He also pops adds at this point, the adds have ranged attacks so the tank must lure them togheter by hiding behind colums, then DPSs can AoE them." It's a lot more in-depth than your general multiplayer games. And with 12-man content, all different accents, and poor voice chat quality, even though I seem to have a perfect english here, my french canadian self would be overwhelmed. Written instructions are 100x easier to understand, and you can read twice or 3 times if you so desire without having to ask for people to repeat.

Text is the oldest universal form of communication known to man. Text will never get outdated. Historians thousands of years from now will still use text do discover things and transmit their knowledge. Text might take some time, and you may put yourself at risk by using it. When a messenger, in the middle ages, stopped to write a letter, attach it to a pigeon and send it, he was putting himself at risk. Text has pros, text has cons, but text is important in a large scale environement like an mmo. And wheter or not the company wanted to make a typical mmo or not is irrelevant, because in the end, they made a mmo. They made a game that is ever evolving. They made the kind of games that needs players to stay. Just base sales are not going to cover developpement costs for the next 3 years. They need more. They tried subscription model on PC and they failed. They thought they would make more money by making it work with a crown store and DLCs. Players who will stay and pay for DLCs are not those looking for solo paly. Those will leave once they've done all the solo quests. The players who will stay are those who want group play, and so, mmorpg aspects. Those players, even though they might not realise it right now, will want effective communications once all they have left to do is endgame content.

That is MY Opinion.

TheArgonianFan2015 · July 2015

Besides being able to communicate better with each other do to in game activites, adding text chat would further improve RP with other players (especially for those that play non-human race toons, or opposite sex, or simply uncomfortable RPing with voice). It would be even better if we were given the option to have our toon name appear over our character instead of gamertag.

Zanefold · July 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

AuldWolf wrote: »

Another PC sympathiser, here. I don't like seeing anyone left out (which is why I try to encourage people to get the PC version so that they won't be). I want everyone to have text chat, the control interface they want, and mods. I realise it's unlikely on the consoles, but I still hope you guys get it. I really do. At this point I'm starting to feel guilty for even having text chat in the first place.

Text chat aside....the add-ons. After hearing about Fallout 4 I have to wonder why it's not supported or at least soon to be

Speaking of fallout 4 coming out, how many people will still be playing this game without text chat when that game is released? Just saying lol

Itchyness · July 2015

Yes

I think a quick band aid would be customizable quick chat emotes. That way, you could at least set up some messages you'll use often and much more likely, rather than the very e-peen "self congratulate".