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Console text chat discussion
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Drake_Fury✭✭✭Hey Smurph!
Just wanted to tell you this.
You think that because an mmo company states something, they will never return on their decision. So I wanted you to meet my friend here:
His name is Naoki Yoshida. He's the producer/director of FFXIV:ARR. He is the representation of how wrong you can be. He took the chair of director/producer, as a replacement to Hiromishi Tanaka and Nobuaki Komoto. Tanaka and Komoto were pretty adamant about how their game was, they wanted to keep it like it was and improve on this. After the immense failure that occured, they eventually stepped out.
Then Yoshida took up their places, went on the game, tried it a bit, looked up at the forums, started sending Letters on the forums to keep players updated. He eventually decided that the game was flawed and needed many changes, one of them being the core. So he decided to revamp the game. During that time we'veseen many changes, and Yoshida, in his letters, started talking about FFXIV 2.0. A year after he took the place, it was time to move on to 2.0. He shut down the game for a whole year to remake it from scratch.
I don't have time to keep going right now as I have work to do before leaving, but go read about it. You will see how much a mmo can change following player feedback. ZOS arebeing silent here. It doesn't mean they haven't started reconsidering. Continuing to post is the only way to make things change. If Yoshida, in FFXIV, had not listened to the player base, I'm sure the game would not exist anymore.7 -
AaronLannister✭✭✭Drake_Fury wrote: »He took the chair of director/producer, as a replacement to Hiromishi Tanaka and Nobuaki Komoto. Tanaka and Komoto were pretty adamant about how their game was, they wanted to keep it like it was and improve on this. After the immense failure that occured, they eventually stepped out.
Exactly, a lot of Developers have a huge ego. I'm Sensing this huge Ego from Zenimax and there inability to admit the terrible decisions with the Console version and especially some that are the most necessary for a thriving MMO.Edited by AaronLannister on July 24, 2015 10:49AM2 -
Laranoye✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »The game will crash and burn then...
Because they failed to add a fundamental part of any mmo... Oh well i really wanted to play this on my console.. And i shan't be returning to it on PC.
Also you can already use a keyboard and mouse on both xbox one and ps4.... I already use it. And mouse and keyboard on FF ARR....
You may be right but MY opinion is the game will not crash and burn due to text chat. The consoles have more active players than PC which could be an argument against adding text chat.
Let's be honest...the PC gets updates first, has add-on support, customized controls, AND as you all desire...Text chat
All that but still far less active players (*based on what is reported)
Only time will tell but the game IF it falls apart will be more so due to lack of content and a terrible endgame concept rather than any decisions on how communication occurs.
I guarantee you 100% it will fall apart... I'd be willing to bet money on it...
Myself and all my friends were well up for a ES MMO on consoles back when the game was 1st announced... but then they delayed the console release and only released the pc version..... for a whole year...
Now the only reason i got it on PC was because i wanted to play it, while waiting for it to come out on console... And I bet ALOT of other players did this too.
However it is now FAR to different than the PC basically a single player game..
So people will leave, I do not play anymore.. But I check this thread because if they release text chat I will be back in a flash.
I guarantee you there are more original MMO players that want this feature than console casuals...
They would be absolutely stupid not to add this feature, they had it already. I don't see the problem porting this from PC...
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Sykis✭As far as text chat in console being ignored, you should consider the fact that in order to release anything on a console, the developers have to come to an agreement with the platform to which they plan to release their product on. It's made in contract and developers have to abide by this agreement. They are also not going to release the terms of those contracts with the general public because of several viable reason. Two most prominent come to mind; one being its in the contract to release information only to parties requiring a need to know. Two; to avoid backlash to the console companies for agreeing to different terms with one software over another. It's a well known fact Sony and Microsoft don't like sharing their online platforms with each other. In fact I'm not sure of any game release on both systems that can play together. For PC, the only thing developers have to agree to are the laws for distributing content over the web.
If this is either the case or part of the case then that might be one explanation why text chat may not be available yet on console. Both these systems have their own text chat platform and might want customers using their system provided interface and not the one for the game.
Posted this elsewhere figured I would bring it to where it belongs.Edited by Sykis on July 24, 2015 1:02PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AaronLannister wrote: »
Of course, because other developers Objectively Handled MMO's Social Aspects as well as UI much better then these obnoxious developers.......this is all based on your interpretation and maybe false expectations. You're using other developers and other games from a similar genre to create your "OPINION" on the subject.
Ahhh yes, OFFICIAL study, this is why MMO's have servers dedicated for Role Players. And is a Known Common thing as to what people do in MMO's.Now if there is some official study from a reputable source who has proven any of your opinions, maybe it's worth typing that into the thread and cite and references those statements.
Of course, because they Objectively handled things better in the same genre.But what you're doing is creating an argument to add a feature based off you and others opinions that are soley influenced by other MMO games you've played.
No they clearly haven't.Zenimax has outlined and shared their vision of what they want TESO to look like, how it played and how communication should occur for both console and PC. They've heard feedback and observations from the community and based their decisions off their vision and goals but have included player feedback which gives us what we have today.
Sorry a ChatBox is not just a feature, it's part of the MMORPG genre so are damage numbers. Again having OPTIONS Available will solve everything.We all have features that we would like to be added or things that we hope could be changed but everyone has a different mix and idea. Regarding this topic, some want text chat so they can link items to make trading easier. Some don't want to hear other people's voices while playing, some may have language barriers, some want to be able to party chat outside the game and text chat inside the game, some feel one form of communication is better than another, etc.
The Companies direction is WRONG and Flawed. They are being Obnoxious. They will go down in INFAMY as being one of the most Obnoxious if not then one of the most Ignorant. But they already Kind of did that to themselves when they first launched. I guess History Will repeat itself if they don't change.While those may all be valid in the person's eyes, Zenimax feels otherwise. If your goal is to get Zenimax's attention then first take time to understand the companies direction. Ask more about the direction they want to take the game. Research where the folks they bring on ESO Live come from so you fully "get it".Then have conversations with Zenimax rather than threads full of comments complaining about yet another thing.
Understand, this subject isn't game breaking or causing any problems so it's purely a "want" and not a "need".
it's game breaking when people have to rely on a crappy LFG system, it's game breaking when people can't properly Socialize with others in an MMO and it's game breaking when people can't Role Play which is what people do in MMO's.
It's not PURELY want or NEED. It's Objectively BAD.
Text Chat was already in BETA.Adding text chat will involve redoing the entire UI for console. It took them over a year to get a console UI and other functionalities in place to release on console. Expect at least half that time IF this subject is ever considered. That's based on ESO Live segments when they try and communicate what it takes to make changes in the game (the underwater swimming idea topic)
Thanks for reading my comments and replying....I see your opinions and points of view.
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FilthyMudcrabs✭✭✭If DCUO can have a chat box for console, than so can ESO.Saw a mudcrab the other day. Dreadful creatures.5 -
Zanefold✭✭✭FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »If DCUO can have a chat box for console, than so can ESO.
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Pman85✭✭✭✭Why don't they just make text chat as a second screen feature it be a win win for everyone.The protexters get text chat and the players who don't want it on their screen gets its.Its a win win for everyone.
they could just bury it in the menus like they did everything else. Adding "Zone Chat" or "Area Chat" or "Guild Chat" to the social part of the menu would make a nice spot. Have the text available to all, but they have to access it through he social tab.
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Snowstrider✭✭✭✭✭i just feel lonelyi n eso,people dont use gamechat often,they are either in partys with some friends or dont want to use mics, Then most people in gamechat are screaming,fighting with eacother,insulting,kinect mics,dogs barking,babies crying,crappy music is playing and so on,no wonder why people are ignoring voice chat,THis is at least my experience,And i really hope zos stop being so stubborn and stop removing social features from a MMO...
And its really hard to find groups,sell stuff,advertisee your guild and so on,now people need to send messages which is really annoying,you need to open their gamer profile then send a message..... annoying huh? With text chat we wouldnt need to do all those annoying things,it would make things much easier,would make it more of a community! Please zos i beg you,i even lost motivation to play becouse of this...
I still think voice chat is great for pvp but why not have both text and voice? And before people come with the"console players dont like or dont use text chat or typing" argument,i have gotten and sent more text messages in Eso then i have/got in any game,BEfore downvoting me i am just saying that this isnt a hateful comment,just something that i really hope they change.3 -
BigMac_Smiley✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »If that's how you feel about ZOS' responses and information on the topic that's fine but don't attribute your disagreement to me directly.
Certainly.
Link the quote where ZOS says that something like this won't happen until 2016 or 2017, or that any form of text-based communication is not being considered at this time, and I will very graciously attribute my disagreement w/ your words to ZOS instead of the person who wrote them.
Otherwise, that actually is something that you made up.
They actually said they have decided during development NOT to have text chat on consoles at all. They also stated its not being considered to be added. Then Gina and the other girl hosting said as always forum feedback is welcome.
2016-2017 is a possibility for Xbox One as native mouse and keyboard support come with the windows 10 update to Xbox one. As far as this game goes....if you watch the two ESO live shows again...they actually say it's not being considered.
It's why I keep posting that in these threads because for whatever reason their response to continue forum discussions and feedback was somehow misinterpreted that this is being considered.
well then we just need to keep asking.
No you don't as they've already responded twice.
I'd say it's best to keep discussing it amongst other players and see what Sony does with the Playstation 4 as you'd likely need both consoles to have mouse and keyboard native gaming support first.
Just because the Xbox one is adding mouse and keyboard support doesn't and shouldn't conclude that Zenimax has interest in doing so. Also...to date no Xbox One games are being changed or marketed to include such support. This is right now a feature targeted for playing games from the PC that can be played with Xbox one console versions of the game like Gigantic (MMO game to release soon with PC and Xbox one servers)
Wrong, the only way they'll ever learn is if we keep asking for it therefore nothing will change.
You don't need KB and Mouse for it to work, they can EASILY implement it with the controller like MMO's. That is also a terrible excuse as people have figured out how to manage Chatboxes with the controller they already made the whole game compatible.
Im not trying to argue here...what has been decided by Zenimax has been decided and stated as such.
If it's not to your liking the. Expressing it is fine but pestering any topic until it's changed to your liking often times may cause you more grief and in the end from what we've seen from Zenimax tend to produce ambiguous statements that people feel lead on to later learn the company had no intention of changing from the start.
This specific topic is a perfect example where ONLY on a PS4 website article/Forum was it suggested that text chat was a part of development for the console version. During BETA we saw the reality was it was scrapped. A week before release they shared it was removed way back during original development and was never planned to release on console.
Here is another thread of a person's summary of one ESO live. They don't include other QnA where text chat was also addressed but it does have one part of the conversation: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/177122/devs-response-to-no-text-chat-on-console-version
Wrong, you're trying to dissuade people not to talk about it.
Okay if Zenimax won't listen then we need to keep asking them to add it.
Oh and it's hilarious Zenimax is acting like it's impossible to implement Text Chat on consoles in an MMO, it's been done before and needs to happen.
Go back and read my edits above please...but again...I'm not trying to argue with you
Just going off the facts and statements Zenimax has shared to date. Nothing has changed
Not trying to argue but gives dissenting opinions. sure.
What opinions....please go read the articles and threads in my links above.
Sorry if you were misinformed but nothing I've shared above is new info or at least shouldn't be.
Also, if the information kills your hope then it suggests you were lacking information on the subject but as to how it's dissenting opinions(the information I've shared is off Zenimax statements).
If a company says No we've scrapped it and are not adding it....that's a fact
Me commenting that it's not coming anytime in 2015 isn't my opinion, it's what they've shared to date.
If there were conversations from Zenimax that they would even look into the subject then my comments would be highly opinionated but that's not the case. They've said what they landed on and how the game will work as far as communicating on console with only one adjustment which was the addition of radial pre-text. That was what was considered from the April beta complaints.
That's it...and now you've got me arguing....SMH
If ZOS is truly never going to add text chat then let state it on this forum. Why has this thread been going on so long if they are not at least considering this. I said it before and I'll say it again, I can care less about what was said before console launch. New players have join the community and we would all love to here an official response from zos even if it is it will never be added.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BigMac_Smiley wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »If that's how you feel about ZOS' responses and information on the topic that's fine but don't attribute your disagreement to me directly.
Certainly.
Link the quote where ZOS says that something like this won't happen until 2016 or 2017, or that any form of text-based communication is not being considered at this time, and I will very graciously attribute my disagreement w/ your words to ZOS instead of the person who wrote them.
Otherwise, that actually is something that you made up.
They actually said they have decided during development NOT to have text chat on consoles at all. They also stated its not being considered to be added. Then Gina and the other girl hosting said as always forum feedback is welcome.
2016-2017 is a possibility for Xbox One as native mouse and keyboard support come with the windows 10 update to Xbox one. As far as this game goes....if you watch the two ESO live shows again...they actually say it's not being considered.
It's why I keep posting that in these threads because for whatever reason their response to continue forum discussions and feedback was somehow misinterpreted that this is being considered.
well then we just need to keep asking.
No you don't as they've already responded twice.
I'd say it's best to keep discussing it amongst other players and see what Sony does with the Playstation 4 as you'd likely need both consoles to have mouse and keyboard native gaming support first.
Just because the Xbox one is adding mouse and keyboard support doesn't and shouldn't conclude that Zenimax has interest in doing so. Also...to date no Xbox One games are being changed or marketed to include such support. This is right now a feature targeted for playing games from the PC that can be played with Xbox one console versions of the game like Gigantic (MMO game to release soon with PC and Xbox one servers)
Wrong, the only way they'll ever learn is if we keep asking for it therefore nothing will change.
You don't need KB and Mouse for it to work, they can EASILY implement it with the controller like MMO's. That is also a terrible excuse as people have figured out how to manage Chatboxes with the controller they already made the whole game compatible.
Im not trying to argue here...what has been decided by Zenimax has been decided and stated as such.
If it's not to your liking the. Expressing it is fine but pestering any topic until it's changed to your liking often times may cause you more grief and in the end from what we've seen from Zenimax tend to produce ambiguous statements that people feel lead on to later learn the company had no intention of changing from the start.
This specific topic is a perfect example where ONLY on a PS4 website article/Forum was it suggested that text chat was a part of development for the console version. During BETA we saw the reality was it was scrapped. A week before release they shared it was removed way back during original development and was never planned to release on console.
Here is another thread of a person's summary of one ESO live. They don't include other QnA where text chat was also addressed but it does have one part of the conversation: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/177122/devs-response-to-no-text-chat-on-console-version
Wrong, you're trying to dissuade people not to talk about it.
Okay if Zenimax won't listen then we need to keep asking them to add it.
Oh and it's hilarious Zenimax is acting like it's impossible to implement Text Chat on consoles in an MMO, it's been done before and needs to happen.
Go back and read my edits above please...but again...I'm not trying to argue with you
Just going off the facts and statements Zenimax has shared to date. Nothing has changed
Not trying to argue but gives dissenting opinions. sure.
What opinions....please go read the articles and threads in my links above.
Sorry if you were misinformed but nothing I've shared above is new info or at least shouldn't be.
Also, if the information kills your hope then it suggests you were lacking information on the subject but as to how it's dissenting opinions(the information I've shared is off Zenimax statements).
If a company says No we've scrapped it and are not adding it....that's a fact
Me commenting that it's not coming anytime in 2015 isn't my opinion, it's what they've shared to date.
If there were conversations from Zenimax that they would even look into the subject then my comments would be highly opinionated but that's not the case. They've said what they landed on and how the game will work as far as communicating on console with only one adjustment which was the addition of radial pre-text. That was what was considered from the April beta complaints.
That's it...and now you've got me arguing....SMH
If ZOS is truly never going to add text chat then let state it on this forum. Why has this thread been going on so long if they are not at least considering this. I said it before and I'll say it again, I can care less about what was said before console launch. New players have join the community and we would all love to here an official response from zos even if it is it will never be added.
Again...they stated this on ESO Live it's not being considered but they did not say "never". The forums is not the best place to obtain up to date information regarding plans and decisions of Zenimax's game. There are soooo many threads about ZOS Live topics that are never made into news or website articles. This is just another topic that as you mention and I agree SHOULD HAVE an official thread or post from the staff but, it doesn't.
Why the thread is active and why it remains is because this company has a never say never policy. They do read things as their interests fall and I'm also sure there are staff members in favor of different ideas and keep tabs on certain forum threads. Zenimax encourages discussions and anything that's a concern or that you want to change, you should discuss it.
All I'm doing tho is making sure ppl don't think that it's being considered (that based on the ESO Live statements)
Who knows maybe it comes in some form or another at a later date. Usually they will communicate such prior to rolling things out.
Happy gaming
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BigMac_Smiley✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »BigMac_Smiley wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »If that's how you feel about ZOS' responses and information on the topic that's fine but don't attribute your disagreement to me directly.
Certainly.
Link the quote where ZOS says that something like this won't happen until 2016 or 2017, or that any form of text-based communication is not being considered at this time, and I will very graciously attribute my disagreement w/ your words to ZOS instead of the person who wrote them.
Otherwise, that actually is something that you made up.
They actually said they have decided during development NOT to have text chat on consoles at all. They also stated its not being considered to be added. Then Gina and the other girl hosting said as always forum feedback is welcome.
2016-2017 is a possibility for Xbox One as native mouse and keyboard support come with the windows 10 update to Xbox one. As far as this game goes....if you watch the two ESO live shows again...they actually say it's not being considered.
It's why I keep posting that in these threads because for whatever reason their response to continue forum discussions and feedback was somehow misinterpreted that this is being considered.
well then we just need to keep asking.
No you don't as they've already responded twice.
I'd say it's best to keep discussing it amongst other players and see what Sony does with the Playstation 4 as you'd likely need both consoles to have mouse and keyboard native gaming support first.
Just because the Xbox one is adding mouse and keyboard support doesn't and shouldn't conclude that Zenimax has interest in doing so. Also...to date no Xbox One games are being changed or marketed to include such support. This is right now a feature targeted for playing games from the PC that can be played with Xbox one console versions of the game like Gigantic (MMO game to release soon with PC and Xbox one servers)
Wrong, the only way they'll ever learn is if we keep asking for it therefore nothing will change.
You don't need KB and Mouse for it to work, they can EASILY implement it with the controller like MMO's. That is also a terrible excuse as people have figured out how to manage Chatboxes with the controller they already made the whole game compatible.
Im not trying to argue here...what has been decided by Zenimax has been decided and stated as such.
If it's not to your liking the. Expressing it is fine but pestering any topic until it's changed to your liking often times may cause you more grief and in the end from what we've seen from Zenimax tend to produce ambiguous statements that people feel lead on to later learn the company had no intention of changing from the start.
This specific topic is a perfect example where ONLY on a PS4 website article/Forum was it suggested that text chat was a part of development for the console version. During BETA we saw the reality was it was scrapped. A week before release they shared it was removed way back during original development and was never planned to release on console.
Here is another thread of a person's summary of one ESO live. They don't include other QnA where text chat was also addressed but it does have one part of the conversation: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/177122/devs-response-to-no-text-chat-on-console-version
Wrong, you're trying to dissuade people not to talk about it.
Okay if Zenimax won't listen then we need to keep asking them to add it.
Oh and it's hilarious Zenimax is acting like it's impossible to implement Text Chat on consoles in an MMO, it's been done before and needs to happen.
Go back and read my edits above please...but again...I'm not trying to argue with you
Just going off the facts and statements Zenimax has shared to date. Nothing has changed
Not trying to argue but gives dissenting opinions. sure.
What opinions....please go read the articles and threads in my links above.
Sorry if you were misinformed but nothing I've shared above is new info or at least shouldn't be.
Also, if the information kills your hope then it suggests you were lacking information on the subject but as to how it's dissenting opinions(the information I've shared is off Zenimax statements).
If a company says No we've scrapped it and are not adding it....that's a fact
Me commenting that it's not coming anytime in 2015 isn't my opinion, it's what they've shared to date.
If there were conversations from Zenimax that they would even look into the subject then my comments would be highly opinionated but that's not the case. They've said what they landed on and how the game will work as far as communicating on console with only one adjustment which was the addition of radial pre-text. That was what was considered from the April beta complaints.
That's it...and now you've got me arguing....SMH
If ZOS is truly never going to add text chat then let state it on this forum. Why has this thread been going on so long if they are not at least considering this. I said it before and I'll say it again, I can care less about what was said before console launch. New players have join the community and we would all love to here an official response from zos even if it is it will never be added.
Again...they stated this on ESO Live it's not being considered but they did not say "never". The forums is not the best place to obtain up to date information regarding plans and decisions of Zenimax's game. There are soooo many threads about ZOS Live topics that are never made into news or website articles. This is just another topic that as you mention and I agree SHOULD HAVE an official thread or post from the staff but, it doesn't.
Why the thread is active and why it remains is because this company has a never say never policy. They do read things as their interests fall and I'm also sure there are staff members in favor of different ideas and keep tabs on certain forum threads. Zenimax encourages discussions and anything that's a concern or that you want to change, you should discuss it.
All I'm doing tho is making sure ppl don't think that it's being considered (that based on the ESO Live statements)
Who knows maybe it comes in some form or another at a later date. Usually they will communicate such prior to rolling things out.
Happy gaming
I understand what you are saying and it is true, but most console gamers started this game after console launch and did not watch eso live episode. Zos need to address the new players of this game and not expect people to hold onto something that was stated before the console launched. Instead of address the issue and saying how they still stand by there reasons for pulling text chat from the game, they just ignore us. I have seen ZOS change many things in this game and some of it due to player feed back, so until the address the issue now there is still the belief that they are considering text chat.
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Zanefold✭✭✭theforgottenking1779 wrote: »...
Yeah that is truly unfair, i have a friend that is hard of hearing and they were about to get the game with the rest of us but couldn't since he would eventually playing in the dark...
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]Edited by ZOS_Alex on July 25, 2015 5:46PM2 -
Sykis✭I do hope they hash out text chat for the console players. I don't play on console but I have friends that do and while they don't consider it a game breaker yet, they would prefere it.0
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WoodyM8teSoul ShrivenI really think there should be a new text chat option or "zone chat" under the social tab in the menu. Eso desperately needs it. I consider the main reason being that the group finder tool is virtually pointless for finding a group under the "world" section. You may be able to find a group in an hour or so and i would say it's a one in a million chance of them actually being interested in what you want to do. It would be great to be able to type I quick message saying lfg "_____" and then wait for an invite to come through.
P.S. I I'm writing this post as I sit on a never ending load screen. 15 minutes and still counting. I would exit the game and start it up again but that would mean another 30+ minutes queu to get back into cyrodiil "this may be an unusually long load time"PS4 EU Server Ebonheart Pact for lyf0 -
Ha they locked my thread about them discriminating against the hearing-impaired because there is no text chat on console they just don't like it when it's the truth so they lock it before it gets attention they dont want it tarnishing there reputationEdited by theforgottenking1779 on July 24, 2015 3:50PM1
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Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭theforgottenking1779 wrote: »Ha they locked my thread about them discriminating against the hearing-impaired because there is no text chat on console they just don't like it when it's the truth so they lock it before it gets attention they dont want it tarnishing the reputation
Or you know, you are a generic ranter and people gave you alternatives.
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✭✭✭✭Zershar_Vemod wrote: »theforgottenking1779 wrote: »Ha they locked my thread about them discriminating against the hearing-impaired because there is no text chat on console they just don't like it when it's the truth so they lock it before it gets attention they dont want it tarnishing the reputation
Or you know, you are a generic ranter and people gave you alternatives.
Does that make you a flamebaiter and troll since you followed him over here?Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax1 -
Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »theforgottenking1779 wrote: »Ha they locked my thread about them discriminating against the hearing-impaired because there is no text chat on console they just don't like it when it's the truth so they lock it before it gets attention they dont want it tarnishing the reputation
Or you know, you are a generic ranter and people gave you alternatives.
Does that make you a flamebaiter and troll since you followed him over here?
Neither.
At the moment the alternative is to get the PC version (which is on sale on Steam btw), which includes the complete game. Although my hearing has been going the past few years, and my summer job last year resulted in further damage, I'm not complaining that I need to adjust the audio options now to fit my needs.
I am also suffering from various joint issues, and only recently finally got a chiropractor, and awaiting blood testing to see if a former serious case of lymes disease is one of the causes (along with other possible causes). I'm at the point that writing, typing, etc. is a difficult task, but I'm not demanding ZOS to cater to me. I will also try to get disability at my university this semester due to the fact that I can barely finish exams / quizzes on time due to my joint pain.
But no, I'm just a baiter I guess because you said so.....Edited by Zershar_Vemod on July 24, 2015 3:58PMHouse Nyssara (NA)
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VoidBlue✭✭✭✭theforgottenking1779 wrote: »Ha they locked my thread about them discriminating against the hearing-impaired because there is no text chat on console they just don't like it when it's the truth so they lock it before it gets attention they dont want it tarnishing there reputation
"Hello everyone,
We understand that everyone is trying to share their thoughts on the consoles text chat, however discussion has a similar thread already opened titled Console text chat discussion.
In order to consolidate feedback on this issue, we're going to close this thread. We encourage you to head to the above thread to continue this discussion. Thank you for your understanding." <-- zos
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✭theforgottenking1779 wrote: »Ha they locked my thread about them discriminating against the hearing-impaired because there is no text chat on console they just don't like it when it's the truth so they lock it before it gets attention they dont want it tarnishing there reputation
Well Im 100% all for text chat, and my hearing is certainly not the best, but I didnt understand that thread at all (not that I feel it should have been locked either). But you wrote-theforgottenking1779 wrote: »
Zenimax is discriminateing against deaf people it's just the truth of the matter when they made consoles only area chat communication they wasn't thinking about everyone especially hearing impaired ppl
If they were discriminating against deaf people, wouldnt they have to be thinking about them, in order to purposely exclude them?
If they werent thinking about them, and it hadnt occurred to them that the deaf would be excluded with the removal of text chat, is this really discrimination?
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Zershar_Vemod wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »theforgottenking1779 wrote: »Ha they locked my thread about them discriminating against the hearing-impaired because there is no text chat on console they just don't like it when it's the truth so they lock it before it gets attention they dont want it tarnishing the reputation
Or you know, you are a generic ranter and people gave you alternatives.
Does that make you a flamebaiter and troll since you followed him over here?
Neither.
At the moment the alternative is to get the PC version (which is on sale on Steam btw), which includes the complete game. Although my hearing has been going the past few years, and my summer job last year resulted in further damage, I'm not complaining that I need to adjust the audio options now to fit my needs.
I am also suffering from various join issues, and only recently finally got a chiropractor, and awaiting blood testing to see if a former serious case of lymes disease is one of the causes (along with other possible causes). I'm at the point that writing, typing, etc. is a difficult task, but I'm not demanding ZOS to cater to me. I will also try to get disability at my university this semester due to the fact that I can barely finish exams / quizzes on time due to my joint pain.
But no, I'm just a baiter I guess because you said so.....
Play it on console see how you like it then you will know what i meanEdited by theforgottenking1779 on July 24, 2015 3:59PM0 -
Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭theforgottenking1779 wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »theforgottenking1779 wrote: »Ha they locked my thread about them discriminating against the hearing-impaired because there is no text chat on console they just don't like it when it's the truth so they lock it before it gets attention they dont want it tarnishing the reputation
Or you know, you are a generic ranter and people gave you alternatives.
Does that make you a flamebaiter and troll since you followed him over here?
Neither.
At the moment the alternative is to get the PC version (which is on sale on Steam btw), which includes the complete game. Although my hearing has been going the past few years, and my summer job last year resulted in further damage, I'm not complaining that I need to adjust the audio options now to fit my needs.
I am also suffering from various join issues, and only recently finally got a chiropractor, and awaiting blood testing to see if a former serious case of lymes disease is one of the causes (along with other possible causes). I'm at the point that writing, typing, etc. is a difficult task, but I'm not demanding ZOS to cater to me. I will also try to get disability at my university this semester due to the fact that I can barely finish exams / quizzes on time due to my joint pain.
But no, I'm just a baiter I guess because you said so.....
Play it on console see how you like it then you will know what i mean
I'd rather not use a sub-par system, thanks. This was made for PC, I beta tested for PC, I play on PC.
You have the choice remember, but you continue to blame ZOS. But as someone in your thread suggested, maybe you don't fully grasp the concept of "discrimination."
It's unfortunate that you are horribly representing players with disabilities. You should feel ashamed.
How about this, the PC version is any sports car, the console is a Honda Civic.
There are things in the sports car that you desire, whether it's specific features, etc., but you are complaining because you have a Honda Civic that doesn't have those features. They are both cars that get you from A to B, and fulfill the basic needs that all cars give.
Within this hypothetical situation, you have the ability to save up / purchase the sports car, but you'd rather complain about the Honda Civic and how it isn't a sports car. You get to the point of demanding people downgrade to get to your level because you are so insecure, etc.
Welcome to your side of this.Edited by Zershar_Vemod on July 24, 2015 4:06PMHouse Nyssara (NA)
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✭✭✭✭Zershar_Vemod wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »theforgottenking1779 wrote: »Ha they locked my thread about them discriminating against the hearing-impaired because there is no text chat on console they just don't like it when it's the truth so they lock it before it gets attention they dont want it tarnishing the reputation
Or you know, you are a generic ranter and people gave you alternatives.
Does that make you a flamebaiter and troll since you followed him over here?
Neither.
At the moment the alternative is to get the PC version (which is on sale on Steam btw), which includes the complete game. Although my hearing has been going the past few years, and my summer job last year resulted in further damage, I'm not complaining that I need to adjust the audio options now to fit my needs.
I am also suffering from various joint issues, and only recently finally got a chiropractor, and awaiting blood testing to see if a former serious case of lymes disease is one of the causes (along with other possible causes). I'm at the point that writing, typing, etc. is a difficult task, but I'm not demanding ZOS to cater to me. I will also try to get disability at my university this semester due to the fact that I can barely finish exams / quizzes on time due to my joint pain.
But no, I'm just a baiter I guess because you said so.....
Im confused. If you dont play on Console..Why are you weighing in on the issue? I know its a forum and you have the freedom to do so. Im just confused as to why you would have the interest, to bother posting in here if not to follow that guy....At this point you can only detract from the topic since you have nothing to lose or gain here.
As for your physical issues. Im quite sure ZOS has stated they are looking into introducing VOIP for PC.
So you can sit here and claim not to be a troll. But your behavior so far is the complete opposite.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax2 -
Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Zershar_Vemod wrote: »theforgottenking1779 wrote: »Ha they locked my thread about them discriminating against the hearing-impaired because there is no text chat on console they just don't like it when it's the truth so they lock it before it gets attention they dont want it tarnishing the reputation
Or you know, you are a generic ranter and people gave you alternatives.
Does that make you a flamebaiter and troll since you followed him over here?
Neither.
At the moment the alternative is to get the PC version (which is on sale on Steam btw), which includes the complete game. Although my hearing has been going the past few years, and my summer job last year resulted in further damage, I'm not complaining that I need to adjust the audio options now to fit my needs.
I am also suffering from various joint issues, and only recently finally got a chiropractor, and awaiting blood testing to see if a former serious case of lymes disease is one of the causes (along with other possible causes). I'm at the point that writing, typing, etc. is a difficult task, but I'm not demanding ZOS to cater to me. I will also try to get disability at my university this semester due to the fact that I can barely finish exams / quizzes on time due to my joint pain.
But no, I'm just a baiter I guess because you said so.....
Im confused. If you dont play on Console..Why are you weighing in on the issue? I know its a forum and you have the freedom to do so. Im just confused as to why you would have the interest, to bother posting in here if not to follow that guy....At this point you can only detract from the topic since you have nothing to lose or gain here.
As for your physical issues. Im quite sure ZOS has stated they are looking into introducing VOIP for PC.
So you can sit here and claim not to be a troll. But your behavior so far is the complete opposite.
Because they feel like they are a special snowflake? They could have done some basic research to see that it was well-known that consoles lack certain convenience features. Their previous thread proved that they lack personal responsibility, and would rather point fingers and yell "discrimination!"
As someone who also suffers from various issues, I find it disgusting that they are giving poor impressions of those with disabilities.
Being called a troll because of common sense? Ok. I guess there are a ton of "trolls" here then. But hey, you're the one calling me names for just posting honestly, so maybe I should suggest that you might be the real troll here.
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✭✭✭✭✭BigMac_Smiley wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »BigMac_Smiley wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »AaronLannister wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »If that's how you feel about ZOS' responses and information on the topic that's fine but don't attribute your disagreement to me directly.
Certainly.
Link the quote where ZOS says that something like this won't happen until 2016 or 2017, or that any form of text-based communication is not being considered at this time, and I will very graciously attribute my disagreement w/ your words to ZOS instead of the person who wrote them.
Otherwise, that actually is something that you made up.
They actually said they have decided during development NOT to have text chat on consoles at all. They also stated its not being considered to be added. Then Gina and the other girl hosting said as always forum feedback is welcome.
2016-2017 is a possibility for Xbox One as native mouse and keyboard support come with the windows 10 update to Xbox one. As far as this game goes....if you watch the two ESO live shows again...they actually say it's not being considered.
It's why I keep posting that in these threads because for whatever reason their response to continue forum discussions and feedback was somehow misinterpreted that this is being considered.
well then we just need to keep asking.
No you don't as they've already responded twice.
I'd say it's best to keep discussing it amongst other players and see what Sony does with the Playstation 4 as you'd likely need both consoles to have mouse and keyboard native gaming support first.
Just because the Xbox one is adding mouse and keyboard support doesn't and shouldn't conclude that Zenimax has interest in doing so. Also...to date no Xbox One games are being changed or marketed to include such support. This is right now a feature targeted for playing games from the PC that can be played with Xbox one console versions of the game like Gigantic (MMO game to release soon with PC and Xbox one servers)
Wrong, the only way they'll ever learn is if we keep asking for it therefore nothing will change.
You don't need KB and Mouse for it to work, they can EASILY implement it with the controller like MMO's. That is also a terrible excuse as people have figured out how to manage Chatboxes with the controller they already made the whole game compatible.
Im not trying to argue here...what has been decided by Zenimax has been decided and stated as such.
If it's not to your liking the. Expressing it is fine but pestering any topic until it's changed to your liking often times may cause you more grief and in the end from what we've seen from Zenimax tend to produce ambiguous statements that people feel lead on to later learn the company had no intention of changing from the start.
This specific topic is a perfect example where ONLY on a PS4 website article/Forum was it suggested that text chat was a part of development for the console version. During BETA we saw the reality was it was scrapped. A week before release they shared it was removed way back during original development and was never planned to release on console.
Here is another thread of a person's summary of one ESO live. They don't include other QnA where text chat was also addressed but it does have one part of the conversation: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/177122/devs-response-to-no-text-chat-on-console-version
Wrong, you're trying to dissuade people not to talk about it.
Okay if Zenimax won't listen then we need to keep asking them to add it.
Oh and it's hilarious Zenimax is acting like it's impossible to implement Text Chat on consoles in an MMO, it's been done before and needs to happen.
Go back and read my edits above please...but again...I'm not trying to argue with you
Just going off the facts and statements Zenimax has shared to date. Nothing has changed
Not trying to argue but gives dissenting opinions. sure.
What opinions....please go read the articles and threads in my links above.
Sorry if you were misinformed but nothing I've shared above is new info or at least shouldn't be.
Also, if the information kills your hope then it suggests you were lacking information on the subject but as to how it's dissenting opinions(the information I've shared is off Zenimax statements).
If a company says No we've scrapped it and are not adding it....that's a fact
Me commenting that it's not coming anytime in 2015 isn't my opinion, it's what they've shared to date.
If there were conversations from Zenimax that they would even look into the subject then my comments would be highly opinionated but that's not the case. They've said what they landed on and how the game will work as far as communicating on console with only one adjustment which was the addition of radial pre-text. That was what was considered from the April beta complaints.
That's it...and now you've got me arguing....SMH
If ZOS is truly never going to add text chat then let state it on this forum. Why has this thread been going on so long if they are not at least considering this. I said it before and I'll say it again, I can care less about what was said before console launch. New players have join the community and we would all love to here an official response from zos even if it is it will never be added.
Again...they stated this on ESO Live it's not being considered but they did not say "never". The forums is not the best place to obtain up to date information regarding plans and decisions of Zenimax's game. There are soooo many threads about ZOS Live topics that are never made into news or website articles. This is just another topic that as you mention and I agree SHOULD HAVE an official thread or post from the staff but, it doesn't.
Why the thread is active and why it remains is because this company has a never say never policy. They do read things as their interests fall and I'm also sure there are staff members in favor of different ideas and keep tabs on certain forum threads. Zenimax encourages discussions and anything that's a concern or that you want to change, you should discuss it.
All I'm doing tho is making sure ppl don't think that it's being considered (that based on the ESO Live statements)
Who knows maybe it comes in some form or another at a later date. Usually they will communicate such prior to rolling things out.
Happy gaming
I understand what you are saying and it is true, but most console gamers started this game after console launch and did not watch eso live episode. Zos need to address the new players of this game and not expect people to hold onto something that was stated before the console launched. Instead of address the issue and saying how they still stand by there reasons for pulling text chat from the game, they just ignore us. I have seen ZOS change many things in this game and some of it due to player feed back, so until the address the issue now there is still the belief that they are considering text chat.
That doesn't make sense as the console game was never marketed to release with any text chat.
If anything it's the early adopters who pre-ordered and had to wait months for a release who thought or were misinformed from a staff comment that was VERY quickly corrected but those customers are aware of ESO Live
For the new comers...there were at least two episodes within 4 weeks of release and maybe one after. This was addressed prior to release but heading up to so Zenimax has covered both crowds.
Late comers...well it's not a feature that was ever present nor a feature that was removed from any gameplay videos or the console betaEdited by NewBlacksmurf on July 24, 2015 4:51PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Mighty_oakk✭✭✭✭✭It obviously says something about the text chat issue when they auto locxk any new thread about it.
90% of the posts of the threads on this forum are people discussing repetitive ideas.
Why don't they just create master threads about the champion system, vr16, lfg tool etc.
It seems some higher up at zos said 'no text!! If any of you say text and console in the same sentence you're fired!"
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Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭Mighty_oakk wrote: »
It obviously says something about the text chat issue when they auto locxk any new thread about it.
90% of the posts of the threads on this forum are people discussing repetitive ideas.
Why don't they just create master threads about the champion system, vr16, lfg tool etc.
It seems some higher up at zos said 'no text!! If any of you say text and console in the same sentence you're fired!"
It says they want an organized discussion in one key spot to look at, instead of complete monotony. This is common in any forum...
If they add text chat to consoles, great, but people were warned well ahead that that feature was not going to be on console.Edited by Zershar_Vemod on July 24, 2015 5:12PMHouse Nyssara (NA)
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Most video games don't use Text chat to.communicate especially on consoles.Most.use voice chat so deaf players would.have to sue most of the gaming industryl by your logic.
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Mighty_oakk✭✭✭✭✭Zershar_Vemod wrote: »Mighty_oakk wrote: »
It obviously says something about the text chat issue when they auto locxk any new thread about it.
90% of the posts of the threads on this forum are people discussing repetitive ideas.
Why don't they just create master threads about the champion system, vr16, lfg tool etc.
It seems some higher up at zos said 'no text!! If any of you say text and console in the same sentence you're fired!"
It says they want an organized discussion in one key spot to look at, instead of complete monotony. This is common in any forum...
If they add text chat to consoles, great, but people were warned well ahead that that feature was not going to be on console.
Why dont they do this for the champion system? I guarantee the thread would be larger0
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