If you don't want to balance CP ..

Sypher · July 2015

Artemiisia wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Make CP rank visible.

Example:
Sypher Ali (Vet 14: 303 CP)

I'd like to know when I'm going against people with 30 CP or 1000 CP.

just think if you have 500 CP at one point and a 30 CP player beats you in a duel, the self esteem will drop to a whole new low

Well that's the same thing as losing a duel against let's say a v5. So I don't see what's the point of keeping CP invisible.

They confirm that once they EVENTUALLY remove the vet system (who knows when) they will have a "power level" where instead of vet ranks people will have their CP rank next to their name.

They should honestly incorporate that now, instead of the 2-3 years we have to wait before vet ranks is removed.

To anyone saying CP isn't flawed, you haven't played with the 3600 CP templates, the game becomes a joke at that point.

In 1.5 we had three aspects of PvP
1. Offense (sustained DPS / Burst)
2. Defense (Shields / Healing / Damage Mitigation)
3. Resource Management

in 1.6, what is resource management? It is non-existent and most end game builds. This is due to the removal of softcaps but this will only get worse as peoples characters become stronger, while skills/costs stay the same.

Publius_Scipio · July 2015

The CP system itself isn't "flawed". It's just a pool of points that you can spread around. It's working as intended and there is no "balancing" for it.

The system as a whole doesn't really mesh well with PvP and a solution hopefully comes around sooner rather than later.

ESO has always craved a major balancing in many departments. ZOS is working towards that with the next major update.

Bromburak · July 2015

Sypher wrote: »

Make CP rank visible.

Example:
Sypher Ali (Vet 14: 303 CP)

I'd like to know when I'm going against people with 30 CP or 1000 CP.

I disagree, independent from the CP issue we know way to much already and I don't like the way how we all encounter in PvP in modern MMOs.

We know enemy buffs, see their skills, almost know their build, using anytimers, using addons for partial combat automatism , when to use triggers etc. etc.. I mean what comes next? There are barely any surprising moments in a PvP game today, everything can be calculated and most of it is predictive. We don't really need all this for being good at PvP and having fun with combat.

Rules and balance yes, opponent transparency no.

Publius_Scipio · July 2015

Bromburak wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Make CP rank visible.

Example:
Sypher Ali (Vet 14: 303 CP)

I'd like to know when I'm going against people with 30 CP or 1000 CP.

I disagree, independent from the CP issue we know way to much already and I don't like the way how we all encounter in PvP in modern MMOs.

We know enemy buffs, see their skills, almost know their build, using anytimers, using addons for partial combat automatism , when to use triggers etc. etc.. I mean what comes next? There are barely any surprising moments in a PvP game today, everything can be calculated and most of it is predictive. We don't really need all this for being good at PvP and having fun with combat.

You can thank addons for that. I remember when right before release ZOS announced they were closing the APIs and a few of the major guilds and their leaders were in an uproar.

Now we have all those videos posted with people's screen full of text boxes and numbers and text scrolling all over the place. "CLEANSE NOW!"

Lava_Croft · July 2015

blabafat wrote: »

CAP CP AT 360 IN CYRODIIL!

360 is a PERFECT number. It's not too high; a lot of players are already right around that number. They are not unkillable, and they are not OP. 360 also allows you to get a 120 point passive in each section (Warrior, Mage, Thief).

Right now, ZoS might not think this is necessary. However, 1 year from now, people will have at LEAST 1000 champion points. Fights will go on forever. New players will not stand a chance.

ZOS will just do a second round of nerfing everybody and provide us with another 3600 Champion Points to grind.

Juraigr · July 2015

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

The CP system itself isn't "flawed". It's just a pool of points that you can spread around. It's working as intended and there is no "balancing" for it.

The system as a whole doesn't really mesh well with PvP and a solution hopefully comes around sooner rather than later.

ESO has always craved a major balancing in many departments. ZOS is working towards that with the next major update.

That's just wishful thinking the system is flawed whether you like it.or not, the fact that it.doesn't work well with pvp means it's flawed

Wreuntzylla · July 2015

Well, the next update looks to be removing the exp nerfs they put in due to botting. Also seems to be a general increase in exp. If they do the same for PvP, perhaps people will reach the breakpoint faster and CP progression will become what they said it would be - minor gains.

Aside from that, we have non-vet servers, not sure the issue with putting in 1-2 CP bracket servers.

Ezareth · July 2015

Once you reach the 1500 CP mark the next 2000 CP provide relatively minor benefits for most players.

What I'm saying is the difference between someone who has 100 CP versus someone who has 600 CP is far greater than the difference between someone who has 2000 CP versus 2500 CP.

Diminishing returns kick in hard in many respects.

Derra · July 2015

Personally i would cap the speccable CPs at 750 - that would allow to either go for balanced builds or hunt for 2 out of three 120 point passives while still providing a reasonalbe and imho needed character progression before that point. After that every CP should only provide the very minor stat gain associated with it.

Xsorus · July 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Once you reach the 1500 CP mark the next 2000 CP provide relatively minor benefits for most players.

What I'm saying is the difference between someone who has 100 CP versus someone who has 600 CP is far greater than the difference between someone who has 2000 CP versus 2500 CP.

Diminishing returns kick in hard in many respects.

Yea, pretty much

Hell you don't really need 3600 CP to begin with, since you have a ton of filler points.

DezIsDead · July 2015

Bromburak wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Make CP rank visible.

Example:
Sypher Ali (Vet 14: 303 CP)

I'd like to know when I'm going against people with 30 CP or 1000 CP.

I disagree, independent from the CP issue we know way to much already and I don't like the way how we all encounter in PvP in modern MMOs.

We know enemy buffs, see their skills, almost know their build, using anytimers, using addons for partial combat automatism , when to use triggers etc. etc.. I mean what comes next? There are barely any surprising moments in a PvP game today, everything can be calculated and most of it is predictive. We don't really need all this for being good at PvP and having fun with combat.

Rules and balance yes, opponent transparency no.

This is why, back in the day, I quit playing WoW. What's the point of a game when it literally tells you every little thing you need to do. I run scrolling text on Eso, but I don't use it to know when to purge etc. it's kinda common sense to know when to do that. I use it to watch my damage, so I know when I'm fighting a nirn user. So I can just run away instead of wasting my time bashing my head against a wall.

kadar · July 2015

Sypher wrote: »

Make CP rank visible.

Example:
Sypher Ali (Vet 14: 303 CP)

I'd like to know when I'm going against people with 30 CP or 1000 CP.

If this happens (and I hope it does) I can't wait for the inevitable flood of excuses to flow upon getting killed. "Yeahhh, he had 5 CP more than me soooo you know that's why I died."

Or the converse: "Just totally pwned tht newb, he had more CP than me. Dood sucks."

Feed dem trollz!

k2blader · July 2015

DezIsDead wrote: »

This is why, back in the day, I quit playing WoW. What's the point of a game when it literally tells you every little thing you need to do. I run scrolling text on Eso, but I don't use it to know when to purge etc. it's kinda common sense to know when to do that. I use it to watch my damage, so I know when I'm fighting a nirn user. So I can just run away instead of wasting my time bashing my head against a wall.

You're not supposed to run. Just stand there and shield stack infinitely. ;-P

Alcast · July 2015

Just as a reminder, the chick that designed the CP System got fired from ZOS. So lets hope the new dude gets stuff done and fixes this mess.

GaldorP · July 2015

Juraigr wrote: »

GaldorP wrote: »

I support this idea. Maybe don't show the exact Champion Rank since some people might prefer to keep that info private, but something like Champion Rank 1-50/51-100/101-200/201-300/301-400/.../1001-1200/1201-1400/.../3401-3600.

Nah I wanna know if i have to.fight.some guy with 400cp

And some players would prefer to keep their Champion Rank private. So wouldn't this be a good compromise? You'd still see that your opponent's Champion Rank is 401-500 if you're fighting someone with Champion Rank 436, for example.

Vilestride · July 2015

tonemd wrote: »

Will bring this idea up again.

Make it so you have a set amount of SP, Attributes and CP that you can apply to a PVP character that (once you've reached the max amount) NEVER changes.

I would limit progression to skills placed in the Alliance war tree. They could add new skills every 3 months, six months, year, whatever. But your SP amount never changes so theres always a trade off.

If you want your PVE character in PVP you create a PVP version of them with the limitations. (At that point you could even auto assign them to the lowest populated faction on the server because they don't have to be tied to any faction. But that's pie in the sky)

I, ahhhh actually really like some of these ideas.

Zavus · July 2015

Yuke · July 2015

He changed colours of his hp and mana bar to trick people into thinking that he has 108kmagicka?

509% = shields in addition (hardened ward, healing ward, harness and barrier)

Tankqull · July 2015

The_Outsider wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Make CP rank visible.

Example:
Sypher Ali (Vet 14: 303 CP)

I'd like to know when I'm going against people with 30 CP or 1000 CP.

If this happens (and I hope it does) I can't wait for the inevitable flood of excuses to flow upon getting killed. "Yeahhh, he had 5 CP more than me soooo you know that's why I died."

Or the converse: "Just totally pwned tht newb, he had more CP than me. Dood sucks."

Feed dem trollz!

if those 5 CP open up a significant passiva like "tactican" that can be absolutly the case...

Zavus · July 2015

Yuke wrote: »

He changed colours of his hp and mana bar to trick people into thinking that he has 108kmagicka?

509% = shields in addition (hardened ward, healing ward, harness and barrier)

No trick, no UI error. 108k shield strength.

Sacadon · July 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Just as a reminder, the chick that designed the CP System got fired from ZOS. So lets hope the new dude gets stuff done and fixes this mess.

Do we know for a fact that she was involuntarily terminated?

If not, best to assume her leaving was a mutually beneficial one and not necessarily based on performance. We have no idea how empowered she was to design it as she saw fit. Maybe she left because she needed to go somewhere she had real influence over what she was accountable for.

All we know is that the CS has flaws and she was accountable for it. That's it.

ToRelax · July 2015

Yuke wrote: »

He changed colours of his hp and mana bar to trick people into thinking that he has 108kmagicka?

509% = shields in addition (hardened ward, healing ward, harness and barrier)

He didn't change colours - he would need a lot more than 21k magicka for the shields, he damaged his health in order to increase the healing ward.

Btw, don't forget the shield from the potion and eventually the one from blocking.
And maaaaybe from resurrecting, but I doubt it

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Zavus · July 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Yuke wrote: »

He changed colours of his hp and mana bar to trick people into thinking that he has 108kmagicka?

509% = shields in addition (hardened ward, healing ward, harness and barrier)

He didn't change colours - he would need a lot more than 21k magicka for the shields, he damaged his health in order to increase the healing ward.

Btw, don't forget the shield from the potion and eventually the one from blocking.
And maaaaybe from resurrecting, but I doubt it .

^

Xiphyla · July 2015

Some people can farm in delves for hours or in pve for tonnes of CP. Already got people who got like 500 to 1k+ CP already.
I agree with sypher on having CP stated beside VR level.

Huckdabuck · July 2015

Who cares....either you see them as low hanging fruit or you see them as insurmountable. Who cares what their rank is.....either you'll fight them or you'll run from them.

Sausage · July 2015

I believe the plan is to add catch-up system but its probably 1 year away or so.

Ezareth · July 2015

Sacadon wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Just as a reminder, the chick that designed the CP System got fired from ZOS. So lets hope the new dude gets stuff done and fixes this mess.

Do we know for a fact that she was involuntarily terminated?

If not, best to assume her leaving was a mutually beneficial one and not necessarily based on performance. We have no idea how empowered she was to design it as she saw fit. Maybe she left because she needed to go somewhere she had real influence over what she was accountable for.

All we know is that the CS has flaws and she was accountable for it. That's it.

Considering Maria Aliprando was a Baltimore native and hasn't listed a new employer on her Linked in I think that is a safe assumption.

That said, I don't think the design of the champion system was bad at all. I think it is actually pretty awesome. The issues with the champion system lies with another person at ZoS who still is employed there. Do you really think the decisions on which skills would be included and their relative strength of each were something that she would have responsible for?

Lionxoft · July 2015

Or just have a campaign that removes CP buffs. Call it the "Ranked" campaign or whatever because in reality PvP with Champion Points is all a matter of who grinded the most with crown store boosters on a 100% up time.

Lionxoft · July 2015

Zavus wrote: »

Dragonknight can get a pretty large shield stack as well. This screen cap is with 70cp. However a sorc will hit tons harder as it can sacrifice health for magicka to gain it's strength value. The shield strength value would be more if healing ward were utilized as well.

Lava_Croft · July 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Sacadon wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Just as a reminder, the chick that designed the CP System got fired from ZOS. So lets hope the new dude gets stuff done and fixes this mess.

Do we know for a fact that she was involuntarily terminated?

If not, best to assume her leaving was a mutually beneficial one and not necessarily based on performance. We have no idea how empowered she was to design it as she saw fit. Maybe she left because she needed to go somewhere she had real influence over what she was accountable for.

All we know is that the CS has flaws and she was accountable for it. That's it.

Considering Maria Aliprando was a Baltimore native and hasn't listed a new employer on her Linked in I think that is a safe assumption.

That said, I don't think the design of the champion system was bad at all. I think it is actually pretty awesome. The issues with the champion system lies with another person at ZoS who still is employed there. Do you really think the decisions on which skills would be included and their relative strength of each were something that she would have responsible for?

Does it start with an 'E' and end on 'ric Wrobel'?