The return of Dwarves?

AnAngryGinger · July 2015

I have a theory the Dwemer are actually in Azura's realm of Oblivion, Moonshadow.

They antagonized her a lot.

AnAngryGinger · July 2015

But who knows what happened to Arniel Gane

Zorrashi · July 2015

AnAngryGinger wrote: »

I have a theory the Dwemer are actually in Azura's realm of Oblivion, Moonshadow.

They antagonized her a lot.

Moonshadow, a place so beautiful that many go blind....are you sure that's a proper way to punish someone who antagonized you a lot? Seems more like a reward (blindness aside). But then again, Azura can be particularly cruel to those she dislikes...maybe there are prisons in moonshadow?

Lettigall · July 2015

ForgottenHeretic wrote: »

Lettigall wrote: »

ForgottenHeretic wrote: »

I would like it if they introduced dwarves as a playable race (actual dwarves, not dwemer, little bearded people) and have them have a few similarities to the dwemer, like being good at making things etc but not reveal where they have come from. That way the dwemer are still a mystery as you wouldn't know if the 'dwarves' were descendants or copied the style of the dwemer in their crafting

In ES universe dwarves= dwemer. There are no little bearded man on Tamriel there were only bearded elves, who were called dwarves by Skyrim giants and later man started to call them in the same name.

Maybe in some other continent there are little bearded man but there are no records saying that they have ever visited Tamriel!

Yes I know, I used the name Dwarves to explain that I was talking about the traditional type as a race to be introduced, sorry for the confusion. In Tamriel they could have a similar sounding name but be different so that would be another link to the dwemer without flat out saying they are the same, it could be coincidence that the names of the two races are so similar, the little bearded people could have found one or more of the dwemer holds and based their advancement around aspects of them, like crafting style and adopting a similar name for themselves, or they could actually be the dwemer themselves but changed like the snow elves (just into a less unfortunate form). I know not everyone would like this to happen but I have always loved traditional dwarves and they are one thing I have always missed in ES games (though I do like what they have done with the dwemer). This is just my idea of how to keep a lot of the mystery of the dwemer while still having dwarves in the game

Dwemers disappeared literally in front of chimers, they didn't become deformed they just puff disappeared. If some little bearded men settled in some Dwemer city they would be eventually discovered. Plus it would be mentioned somewhere that there were some strange little people in middle of 2nd era fighting for throne. If they were trying to get Ruby throne they would eventually had to face Talos. Man who become god did many things, but one of those things wasn't fighting gnomes!

Time in which takes ESO didn't give many options to introduce new races only ES VI or latter games in series can introduce some new playable race. ESO can only give glimpse of dwemer life through some flashback where you live last moments of their existence.

AnAngryGinger · July 2015

@Zorrashi Well if you really think about it, just being there is probably punishment enough. They vehemently opposed any worship to the best of my knowledge. And they're also deprived of their research, tools, machinations, everything they loved.

The reason I have this theory is I believe it would make sense for a possible return. However, if they do they'll be the antagonists as they were to most races before. Any playable Dwemer would be a renegade of sorts along with any friendly one along the way.

The next Elder Scrolls, in MY opinon, is the time to do it if they do. We're seeing technological advances we've never seen before in gaming hardware. Could you imagine the beauty of their strongholds, ruins, and animunculi?

Amsel_McKay · July 2015

Anything can happen with an Elder Scroll... I have a feeling ES6 will be in the future and Dwemer find their way back...

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · July 2015

Zavinus wrote: »

I don't read much into Elder Scrolls Lore, but aren't Dwemers existing in this time period?

No. They disappeared long before the events of ESO. ESO is "Second Era", around 2E580. The Dwemer disappeared early in the First Era (1E700), shortly before the Tribunal living gods ascended to their borrowed (some would say false) divinity. The First Era lasted for another 2,200 years (1E2920 is its last year). So, the Dwemer disappeared some 2,800 years before the events of ESO.

Vorpal_Spork · July 2015

No.

nimander99 · July 2015

Headberg2174 wrote: »

I kind of hope we see Dwarves come to ESO. I know there is shrouds of mystery about what happened to them and some people would rather it stay that way. I think ESO should bring them in. It would be a great idea for an expansion and you could play a dwarf character.

This is one thing I can say will not happen... It's possible if Red Mountain is opened for exploration we can find some dwemer ghost plus the fat corprus infected guy living under a Telvanni Tower in Eastern Morrowind. Since the Dwarves haven't returned as of Skyrim I'd say it's unlikely we will see or find out what happened to the majority of them when they pulled the 'ol Artaeum trick

OzJohnD · July 2015

time travel ?

FancyTuna8 · July 2015

I think a future ES game that takes place in the distant past could have the Dwemer. That game could go one of two routes:

1) the end of the story culminates in the Dwemer disappearing (although the IP owners have given themselves the "out" of events/history being fluid, so the player could make a choice at the end for their individual game);

or

2) the story takes place in a time that has the Dwemer, likely the Snow Elves in their full glory as well, and the Dark Elves BEFORE their change, and you are just playing a distant past in which these races are available (thus mixing up what will become a stale race mix eventually.)

I would like eventually to have one of the ES games be in this time period and feature this; or have an extended time-hopping adventure that lets us see the world as it was in that past time

Zorrashi · July 2015

FancyTuna8 wrote: »

I think a future ES game that takes place in the distant past could have the Dwemer. That game could go one of two routes:

1) the end of the story culminates in the Dwemer disappearing (although the IP owners have given themselves the "out" of events/history being fluid, so the player could make a choice at the end for their individual game);

or

2) the story takes place in a time that has the Dwemer, likely the Snow Elves in their full glory as well, and the Dark Elves BEFORE their change, and you are just playing a distant past in which these races are available (thus mixing up what will become a stale race mix eventually.)

I would like eventually to have one of the ES games be in this time period and feature this; or have an extended time-hopping adventure that lets us see the world as it was in that past time

PLOT TWIST: The Thalmor seen in the events in Skyrim actually have the long term goal of removing The Towers of Tamriel! In so doing they sunder the foundations of mundus and can revive the true elven empire by going through space and time! Snow elves and dwarves confirmed!

FilthyMudcrabs · July 2015

Did you play Morrowind? Did you SEE what the last dwemer looked like? I don't want to see that again.

Gidorick · July 2015

FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »

Did you play Morrowind? Did you SEE what the last dwemer looked like? I don't want to see that again.

Well he WAS infected with Corpus.

EQBallzz · July 2015

JD2013 wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

No and again no Dwarves or Dwemer vanished off the face of nirn at the battle of red mountain and never have been seen again. ESO already broke the lore spine a few time and it defnally does not need to shatter it with the return of the Dwarves. Also please love of Kyne don't turn this into a "want" thread like dragons.

But there is a cash shop now. They have to make money since the game is "free". I'm sure ppl want dragons..so there can be purchasable dragon mounts in the cash shop. For that matter maybe they could also add dwarf mounts in the cash shop. Think of how much money they could make with rideable dwarves!!11

I wouldn't really call paying £45 for the game and having to buy DLC zones to continue the game free exactly ...

I thought it was obvious that my post was dripping with sarcasm. I guess I should have used /sarcasm but I thought the dwarf mount suggestion made it obvious. That's what I get for assuming. I also put free in quotes if you didn't notice.

Headberg2174 · July 2015

I wouldn't mind paying for DLC for an MMO. As long as it doesn't rip you off like for example: DESTINY!

Caligamy_ESO · July 2015

So I'm confused.. were the Dwemer dwarves, or were they another form of elf? From my understanding in ES the term 'mer' is a suffix for elf. Altmer, Bosmer, Chimer, Dunmer, Falmer, etc..

Headberg2174 · July 2015

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

So I'm confused.. were the Dwemer dwarves, or were they another form of elf? From my understanding in ES the term 'mer' is a suffix for elf. Altmer, Bosmer, Chimer, Dunmer, Falmer, etc..

No I think they are Dwarves. One of the NPCs talks about how the coveted their long thick beards.

tplink3r1 · July 2015

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

So I'm confused.. were the Dwemer dwarves, or were they another form of elf? From my understanding in ES the term 'mer' is a suffix for elf. Altmer, Bosmer, Chimer, Dunmer, Falmer, etc..

They were elves, probably as tall as the altmer.

RedTalon · July 2015

Zavinus wrote: »

I don't read much into Elder Scrolls Lore, but aren't Dwemers existing in this time period?

I know that there was only one of them left in The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, but that was like 1800 years later after the events of ESO.

They vanished during the events of the battle of red mountain, which was a decent time early in the first era, so its basically ancient history at the time ESO takes place

Rosveen · July 2015

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

So I'm confused.. were the Dwemer dwarves, or were they another form of elf? From my understanding in ES the term 'mer' is a suffix for elf. Altmer, Bosmer, Chimer, Dunmer, Falmer, etc..

Yes, they were elves. Their name translates to Deep Folk. While the did usually live underground and were great mechanics, just like typical fantasy dwarves, they were more like nihilist steampunk tech whizes and soul researchers than drunk bearded little guys with axes.

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2015

Maybe we could get a dwarf mount in the crown store? Or a dwarf social pet?

BBSooner · July 2015

No to the return of the Dwemer (return and re-disappear since this is a prequel and should be consistent with the other games). No to time-travel garbage, it's lazy writing. No to Dragon break garbage, it's lazy writing. I want original stories around figures that have plausibility within the currently established lore.

Please, I would love for ZOS to stay far away from the "RETURN OF THE LONG LOST _______" story gimmick.

tplink3r1 · July 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Maybe we could get a dwarf mount in the crown store? Or a dwarf social pet?

My eyes are bleeding...

Sithisvoid · July 2015

AnAngryGinger wrote: »

I have a theory the Dwemer are actually in Azura's realm of Oblivion, Moonshadow.

They antagonized her a lot.

They could also have achieved divinity. Kagrenac used the three tools on the heart of Lorkan and BAM they disappeared.

AngryNord · July 2015

Headberg2174 wrote: »

I kind of hope we see Dwarves come to ESO. I know there is shrouds of mystery about what happened to them and some people would rather it stay that way. I think ESO should bring them in. It would be a great idea for an expansion and you could play a dwarf character.

Only if they fire their loremaster and remove Elder Scrolls from the game's title at the same time.

KerinKor · July 2015

Headberg2174 wrote: »

I kind of hope we see Dwarves come to ESO. I know there is shrouds of mystery about what happened to them and some people would rather it stay that way. I think ESO should bring them in. It would be a great idea for an expansion and you could play a dwarf character.

One of the biggest lore-breaks ZOS could pull would be this.

Forestd16b14_ESO · July 2015

FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »

Did you play Morrowind? Did you SEE what the last dwemer looked like? I don't want to see that again.

Fun fact the reason he didn't go away with the rest of them is that he was more machine than mer. Deep isn't it only way to save his humanity was to become a machine.

Equilibriator · July 2015

I was hoping when they came back there would be a whole elder scrolls game focused on them specifically as the main threat or tied to the main threat. So for that reason, no I hope your thing doesn't happen :P

Bookwyrm · July 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

FilthyMudcrabs wrote: »

Did you play Morrowind? Did you SEE what the last dwemer looked like? I don't want to see that again.

Fun fact the reason he didn't go away with the rest of them is that he was more machine than mer. Deep isn't it only way to save his humanity was to become a machine.

Wait, wasn't the reason he didn't go away with the rest of them due to the fact that he was in another plane of existence at the time of their disappearance (supposedly he was in Oblivion...I'm looking this up now)? I don't remember it having anything to do with his macinery--which I assumed was created to help him get around after the corprus had damaged and bloated his body so badly.

Edited to say yes, every source I can find says that Yagrum was in an Outer Realm at the time of the disappearance of the dwarves. It's not directly in his dialogue in Morrowind from what I can tell, but perhaps it is in a book of his? I'm not certain, but all the lore sites (Imperial Library, UESP, the Elder Scrolls Wiki) agree that he was in the Outer Realms and that's why he didn't disappear with the rest.