The return of Dwarves?

Bookwyrm

Sithisvoid wrote: »

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JesterH wrote: »

Greg wrote: »

JesterH wrote: »

They are gone in skyrim both dwemer and snow elves. And skyrim is 1000 years later and in ESO they been gone for a very long time too. Hence the ruins of both. So it wont happen

the snow elves arnt gone in this time period, in eastmarch their is a book/journal of a hunter, he speaks of he and his hunting, when one night when they made campfire, an arrow was shot under them, hitting his friend, the man ran back to town, and you can talk to him , he described the figure as shrouded in light, but speculated that it was a snow elve in the journey, he wanted to go back up, but he had broken his leg on the way down

Alright then. My fault. Snow elves might be around

The snow elves ARE around. They are called the Falmer.

This. The Dwemer are the ones that enslaved the Snow Elves to begin with, and then they poisoned them leading to the eventual "de-evolution" of the Snow Elves into the Falmer. If the Dwemer are gone, the Falmer have "replaced" the Snow Elves. While there may be a few around, it won't be many. Definitely not enough for a playable race.

As for finding out more about the Dwemer, I would like that, but I don't think ESO could do it justice. I'd rather see us delve into the mystery in a single-player game, and still have it generate more questions than it answered to begin with. I don't think they ever want us to "solve" the disappearance of the Dwemer for certain...it's too much fun having that "mystery." I feel like if they were ever going to completely end the Elder Scrolls altogether, we MAY see them explaining then...but more than likely they'd leave us in the dark...grinning their little troll-grins all the way to the bank.

Shadesofkin

No. No no no. No no no no no no.

And just in case it isn't clear...No.

That would A) be stupidly lore breaking and B.) be an absolutely unnecessary addition done as nothing more than appeasement to a lowest common denominator type requirement for "more races".

Storm_knight22

RedTalon wrote: »

Maybe they will start returning in the elder scrolls 6, even though we boarderline lore breaking stuff in some people's eyes in game already, doubt we will see more then ghosts of that race, there is only one living one in the second era and he is confined in a place you don't want to end up

No need to shatter lore

Yagrum may not be infected with the corprus yet. A date for his infection is never given, all he says is "I searched for thousands of years for a sign of my people and never found any" So he could still be out and about Tamriel. I would like to see Yagrum become a recurring character like Vanus Galerion.

Gidorick

Sausage wrote: »

I think Zen should make up some new race, if the long rumoured race is gonna be Dwarf, thats gonna be joke. Or was it confirmed its Dwarf already.

There are PLENTY of races to use other than Dwarves. I suggest a few of them here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149340/hopefully-someday-we-will-travel-all-of-nirn/p1

SURxR3AL

Headberg2174 wrote: »

I kind of hope we see Dwarves come to ESO. I know there is shrouds of mystery about what happened to them and some people would rather it stay that way. I think ESO should bring them in. It would be a great idea for an expansion and you could play a dwarf character.

this would never happen even though it would be kinda cool just to get some of the mystery unveiled but it would go against the lore of the future games that have already came to be

The_Sadist

I'm a bit late to the party but..

KeplerMG

Headberg2174 wrote: »

I kind of hope we see Dwarves come to ESO. I know there is shrouds of mystery about what happened to them and some people would rather it stay that way. I think ESO should bring them in. It would be a great idea for an expansion and you could play a dwarf character.

You lack knowledge about the Dwemer and intellectual property rights. Otherwise you would have swallowed your tongue before submitting this topic.

KeplerMG

The books combined tell the story plainly. I know exactly what happened to the Dwemer and why.

TheShadowScout

Quite simply, I cannot see any "comeback of the dwemer" in ESO without all the people who visit TES for the lore running off in disgust. (if they make some TES-VI and have them return After the events of Skyrim in fourth era... that would be different... but definitely not in an game set in the 2nd era)

However...

We have revisited the nedes and chimer in mystical flashbacks, seen battles of ayleids and alessians, there is no reason there couldn't be something like that revisiting the first era while the dwemer were alive as well, come with some dwemer ruin or clockwork city DLC sometime in the future.

Also, the last dwemer Yagrum Bagarn is certainly around, having been in oblivion during the vanishing of the dwemer. And as mentioned, in the second ear he might likely be un-corprus-inmfacted, so it might be possible to meet him if there ever comes a vvardenfell DLC.

...but that's about it, and no more should be thought or made about the dewmer - it'd spoil their mystery as lost race...

Faulgor

No.

However, I wouldn't mind terribly meeting Yagrum Bagarn somewhere.

EQBallzz

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

No and again no Dwarves or Dwemer vanished off the face of nirn at the battle of red mountain and never have been seen again. ESO already broke the lore spine a few time and it defnally does not need to shatter it with the return of the Dwarves. Also please love of Kyne don't turn this into a "want" thread like dragons.

But there is a cash shop now. They have to make money since the game is "free". I'm sure ppl want dragons..so there can be purchasable dragon mounts in the cash shop. For that matter maybe they could also add dwarf mounts in the cash shop. Think of how much money they could make with rideable dwarves!!11

JD2013

EQBallzz wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

No and again no Dwarves or Dwemer vanished off the face of nirn at the battle of red mountain and never have been seen again. ESO already broke the lore spine a few time and it defnally does not need to shatter it with the return of the Dwarves. Also please love of Kyne don't turn this into a "want" thread like dragons.

But there is a cash shop now. They have to make money since the game is "free". I'm sure ppl want dragons..so there can be purchasable dragon mounts in the cash shop. For that matter maybe they could also add dwarf mounts in the cash shop. Think of how much money they could make with rideable dwarves!!11

I wouldn't really call paying £45 for the game and having to buy DLC zones to continue the game free exactly ...

Kingof green

It isn't lore friendly

The_Sadist

Kingof green wrote: »

It isn't lore friendly

That's pretty much why I'm against it. The Dwemer have vanished and are still gone in other Elder Scrolls games which take place in the future, it makes little sense from a lore perspective to make them appear simply to vanish again. That being said, lore is flexible.. but I don't feel it's that flexible.

Sithisvoid

The_Sadist wrote: »

Kingof green wrote: »

It isn't lore friendly

That's pretty much why I'm against it. The Dwemer have vanished and are still gone in other Elder Scrolls games which take place in the future, it makes little sense from a lore perspective to make them appear simply to vanish again. That being said, lore is flexible.. but I don't feel it's that flexible.

The only thing i see working is them saying the Dwemer who was in Oblivion somehow procreated and that his line died off before the events of oblivion or skyrim. But i think he was part mechanical so I'm not sure that would even work. I mean the did almost the same with Snow elves and Knight-Paladin Gelebor in Skyrim.

Noomfy-Mop

CapnPhoton wrote: »

I think I would like to see it remain a mystery. In a way it connects to the real world. There are lots of cultures that are gone and we have to discover their mysteries.

Maybe that can be implemented into ESO in some way.
There might be some kind of "archeological" quest line in which you find out about the dwarves etc. etc.

Although, as has been mentioned, the dwarves are gone and I'm pretty sure that what I just suggested wouldn't be popular at all.

People like the "mystery" of the whole situation.
Kind of like Atlantis I guess. Was it there? What happened to it? Where did it go? Bla bla bla.
Beside the dwemer ruins and machines (spheres and spiders) all the same can be said for dwarfs.

The_Sadist

Sithisvoid wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

Kingof green wrote: »

It isn't lore friendly

That's pretty much why I'm against it. The Dwemer have vanished and are still gone in other Elder Scrolls games which take place in the future, it makes little sense from a lore perspective to make them appear simply to vanish again. That being said, lore is flexible.. but I don't feel it's that flexible.

The only thing i see working is them saying the Dwemer who was in Oblivion somehow procreated and that his line died off before the events of oblivion or skyrim. But i think he was part mechanical so I'm not sure that would even work. I mean the did almost the same with Snow elves and Knight-Paladin Gelebor in Skyrim.

You can read about him here, basically he's not part machine, the machine is used to support his frame as the Corprus Disease has left him bloated and unable to move. He made no reference to other Dwemer and stated in over a thousand years he hasn't seen any, so I feel it's safe to assume they're all gone. Perhaps, but a small pocket of Snow Elves being introduced to the game as NPCs is a bit different when compared with a race that vanished in an instant.

I don't know, the lore is pretty black and white in this situation.

Rosveen

KeplerMG wrote: »

Headberg2174 wrote: »

I kind of hope we see Dwarves come to ESO. I know there is shrouds of mystery about what happened to them and some people would rather it stay that way. I think ESO should bring them in. It would be a great idea for an expansion and you could play a dwarf character.

You lack knowledge about the Dwemer and intellectual property rights. Otherwise you would have swallowed your tongue before submitting this topic.

What do intellectual property rights have to do with anything?

Forestd16b14_ESO

Thalmont wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Uh well there gonna need some magical cure cause remember the falmer of skyrim are the snow elves. Oh also fun fact there weakness is frost attacks.

Since ESO is way before even Arena I think it's possible to find pockets of Snow elves compared to Dwemer who by the time ESO happens were long gone.
It isn't very lore friendly, but if they had to add an additional race I could see Snow Elves being an acceptable race. They would have to at least try to explain why Snow Elves have appeared, instead of just adding the race. Dwemer are impossible to explain why or how. Because is not an acceptable answer.

Again Snow elves maybe just maybe. Some could be like the one from the dawnguard DLC and advoided the virus or something but all I know is if they do add a small very small say tribe of snow elves they are gonna have to do alot of explaining and lore stuff to add them.

Zavinus

I don't read much into Elder Scrolls Lore, but aren't Dwemers existing in this time period?

I know that there was only one of them left in The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, but that was like 1800 years later after the events of ESO.

Storm_knight22

Sithisvoid wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

Kingof green wrote: »

It isn't lore friendly

That's pretty much why I'm against it. The Dwemer have vanished and are still gone in other Elder Scrolls games which take place in the future, it makes little sense from a lore perspective to make them appear simply to vanish again. That being said, lore is flexible.. but I don't feel it's that flexible.

The only thing i see working is them saying the Dwemer who was in Oblivion somehow procreated and that his line died off before the events of oblivion or skyrim. But i think he was part mechanical so I'm not sure that would even work. I mean the did almost the same with Snow elves and Knight-Paladin Gelebor in Skyrim.

I don't think even that would be viable. In TeS crossbreeds resemble the mother more than the father. See the grey prince in Oblivion.

Noomfy-Mop wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

I think I would like to see it remain a mystery. In a way it connects to the real world. There are lots of cultures that are gone and we have to discover their mysteries.

Maybe that can be implemented into ESO in some way.
There might be some kind of "archeological" quest line in which you find out about the dwarves etc. etc.

Although, as has been mentioned, the dwarves are gone and I'm pretty sure that what I just suggested wouldn't be popular at all.

People like the "mystery" of the whole situation.
Kind of like Atlantis I guess. Was it there? What happened to it? Where did it go? Bla bla bla.
Beside the dwemer ruins and machines (spheres and spiders) all the same can be said for dwarfs.

This is exactly what I suggested elsewhere! I think the Dwemer could have an entire DLC focused o them and their lore Imagine poking around a seemingly random Dwarven ruin on Vvardenfel and being accosted by Yagrum Bagarn. This could open up an entire quest arc similar to the fighter and mages guild. With many difficult solo instances with unique rewards at the end. Hell, could even tie it in with the Snow Elves and Falmer.

Say Yagrum takes you to a ruin in Skyrim and whilst there you're ambushed by a group of Falmer, wave after wave of Falmer rush you and when all hope is lost arrows begin raining down from above. Wide eyed you look for the source of your salvation and see a group of a dozen extremely pale elves They question you and upon realizing Yagrum is a dwarf haul the both of you off to their Chantry to mete out some vengeance of Yagrum (despite the fact his clan had nothing to do with the enslavement of the Snow elves). you're then obliged to sort it out and save him. Either by diplomacy or the sword.

A dwemer centered DLC would be such a spectacular opportunity to introduce things to the game.

Dwemer siege engines
Crossbows
The spider mount Yagrum rides in Morowind
Dwemer forges for unique armor sets

etc.

ForgottenHeretic

I would like it if they introduced dwarves as a playable race (actual dwarves, not dwemer, little bearded people) and have them have a few similarities to the dwemer, like being good at making things etc but not reveal where they have come from. That way the dwemer are still a mystery as you wouldn't know if the 'dwarves' were descendants or copied the style of the dwemer in their crafting

Storm_knight22

ForgottenHeretic wrote: »

I would like it if they introduced dwarves as a playable race (actual dwarves, not dwemer, little bearded people) and have them have a few similarities to the dwemer, like being good at making things etc but not reveal where they have come from. That way the dwemer are still a mystery as you wouldn't know if the 'dwarves' were descendants or copied the style of the dwemer in their crafting

Make a short Nord and role play as a Dwarf.

Gidorick

Jared_lindsey86_ESO wrote: »

ForgottenHeretic wrote: »

I would like it if they introduced dwarves as a playable race (actual dwarves, not dwemer, little bearded people) and have them have a few similarities to the dwemer, like being good at making things etc but not reveal where they have come from. That way the dwemer are still a mystery as you wouldn't know if the 'dwarves' were descendants or copied the style of the dwemer in their crafting

Make a short Nord and role play as a Dwarf.

Dwarves aren't short in The Elder Scrolls and they have pointy ears... so a Nord wouldn't really fit.

Lettigall

ForgottenHeretic wrote: »

I would like it if they introduced dwarves as a playable race (actual dwarves, not dwemer, little bearded people) and have them have a few similarities to the dwemer, like being good at making things etc but not reveal where they have come from. That way the dwemer are still a mystery as you wouldn't know if the 'dwarves' were descendants or copied the style of the dwemer in their crafting

In ES universe dwarves= dwemer. There are no little bearded man on Tamriel there were only bearded elves, who were called dwarves by Skyrim giants and later man started to call them in the same name.

Maybe in some other continent there are little bearded man but there are no records saying that they have ever visited Tamriel!

Zershar_Vemod

Sorry, but they are all* dead.

* Excluding the lone survivor we'll meet in the "future."

Zorrashi

There's pushing lore and then there's disregarding it. When you seek to add new races (i.e snow elves, imga, maomer) in this particular era, know that you will always be skimming that line.

However, in the case of dwarves I think I can safely say that any reasoning/retcon for adding them as a playable race leans more toward "disregard" than anything else.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

maybe in a game taking place after skyrim the fate of the dwarves could be revealed
but otherwise NO

tplink3r1

I would be ok if they added some Snow Elf NPCs or Yagrum, but not as a playable race.

ForgottenHeretic

Lettigall wrote: »

ForgottenHeretic wrote: »

I would like it if they introduced dwarves as a playable race (actual dwarves, not dwemer, little bearded people) and have them have a few similarities to the dwemer, like being good at making things etc but not reveal where they have come from. That way the dwemer are still a mystery as you wouldn't know if the 'dwarves' were descendants or copied the style of the dwemer in their crafting

In ES universe dwarves= dwemer. There are no little bearded man on Tamriel there were only bearded elves, who were called dwarves by Skyrim giants and later man started to call them in the same name.

Maybe in some other continent there are little bearded man but there are no records saying that they have ever visited Tamriel!

Yes I know, I used the name Dwarves to explain that I was talking about the traditional type as a race to be introduced, sorry for the confusion. In Tamriel they could have a similar sounding name but be different so that would be another link to the dwemer without flat out saying they are the same, it could be coincidence that the names of the two races are so similar, the little bearded people could have found one or more of the dwemer holds and based their advancement around aspects of them, like crafting style and adopting a similar name for themselves, or they could actually be the dwemer themselves but changed like the snow elves (just into a less unfortunate form). I know not everyone would like this to happen but I have always loved traditional dwarves and they are one thing I have always missed in ES games (though I do like what they have done with the dwemer). This is just my idea of how to keep a lot of the mystery of the dwemer while still having dwarves in the game