washlov wrote: »

the CP system is boring and linear everyone will have the same passives, one give dmg the other protects from dmg
it makes pve unfair
it makes pvp unfair
its only good for 24/7 china farmers
its separating the player base
it makes all activity in game where you dont get max ep feeling worthless

elder scrolls is better than a system which makes you king cause you farm 24/7

the Skill system is boring and linear on each class everyone will have the same passives, one give dmg the other
protects from dmg
it makes pve unfair
it makes pvp unfair
its separating the player base
it makes all activity in tame where you dont get max ep feeling worrthless

elder scrolls is better than a system which makes you king cause you farm 24/7 and have all skills maxed out

Not everyone will have same passives. Players will have passives they choose to have.
One give damage the other protects from damage? You dont say? Its same with gear and class passives. You dont cry that someone who grinds skyshards gets maxed out passives?

It makes pvp unfair, it makes pvp unfair - how unfair? How is awarding player for time he spent in game, either by playing or grinding unfair? Maybe its unfair in your world when you want everything for free but if you dont get it you want it taken away from others who earned it? Sense of entitlement much?

Its only good for 24/7 china farmers - so what? How do china farmers hurt you if all they do is farm 24/7?

Its separating player base - Yeah i know, it is separating playerbase because of silly discussion like this, where people who dont do anything want everything and when they dont get it they demand to remove it from people who earned it. If people would care more for their own characters than sticking nose into someone else buissnes (and his CP) maybe they would get more CP and stop complaining how unfair it is that they dont earn CP for every "cp must go away" whine thread.
You know what really divides playerbase? Factions, PVP. It literally divides playerbase into three enemy groups. CP? They are just there, awarding those who actually play game, not afk whole day in capital city manipulating markets.

" it makes all activity in game where you dont get max ep feeling worthless" - if you feel worthless by doing this, well noone can help you, its your own attitude. If its worthelss to you, dont impose your playstyle on others. Let them do what they want, earn cp or not. Demanding to remove them just because they dont fit you is selfish.

" elder scrolls is better than a system which makes you king cause you farm 24/7" - a king with 1-2-5% bonus that turns out insignificant when compared to base stat

Last time i looked into CP the increase per one CP was around fraction of one percent. There is no magical "insta 100% damage boost" CP passive.

Or maybe you just dont mention how much CP you actually need to reach that "king with 100% mode dmg."?

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Not everyone will have same passives. Players will have passives they choose to have.
One give damage the other protects from damage? You dont say? Its same with gear and class passives. You dont cry that someone who grinds skyshards gets maxed out passives?

zos advertised it as character individualizing system, which it is not, its only a boring linear system with no fun

MaximusDargus wrote: »

It makes pvp unfair, it makes pvp unfair - how unfair? How is awarding player for time he spent in game, either by playing or grinding unfair? Maybe its unfair in your world when you want everything for free but if you dont get it you want it taken away from others who earned it? Sense of entitlement much?

yes it will be so good for the future of pvp, all new players will get farmed for months and leave
players which have more playtime should get better because skill and more knowledge about the game
why people which only can play on weekends should be excluded to play the game competitive?

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Its only good for 24/7 china farmers - so what? How do china farmers hurt you if all they do is farm 24/7?

Its separating player base - Yeah i know, it is separating playerbase because of silly discussion like this, where people who dont do anything want everything and when they dont get it they demand to remove it from people who earned it. If people would care more for their own characters than sticking nose into someone else buissnes (and his CP) maybe they would get more CP and stop complaining how unfair it is that they dont earn CP for every "cp must go away" whine thread.
You know what really divides playerbase? Factions, PVP. It literally divides playerbase into three enemy groups. CP? They are just there, awarding those who actually play game, not afk whole day in capital city manipulating markets.

" it makes all activity in game where you dont get max ep feeling worthless" - if you feel worthless by doing this, well noone can help you, its your own attitude. If its worthelss to you, dont impose your playstyle on others. Let them do what they want, earn cp or not. Demanding to remove them just because they dont fit you is selfish.

? the CP system force people to farm and change their playstyle!!! think!!!!

MaximusDargus wrote: »

" elder scrolls is better than a system which makes you king cause you farm 24/7" - a king with 1-2-5% bonus that turns out insignificant when compared to base stat

the champion system easy mitigate 50% DMG and give you 50% more DMG !!!!!

PVE will be boring for high CP players or how will you balance this?

the system simple slowly kills the game

I don't really have a problem with the way the current Champion System works other than how players obtain Champion Points. The only change that needs to be made, in my opinion, is to shift Champion Point gain to completing objectives: quests, dungeons, trials, and PvP.

The only real problem right now is that people AFK grind 12 hours a day to create such a gap. Move Champion Point gain to actual content and the problem solves itself. Those who play the game the most deserve to be the best, not those who grind the most.

ragespell wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

I don't really have a problem with the way the current Champion System works other than how players obtain Champion Points. The only change that needs to be made, in my opinion, is to shift Champion Point gain to completing objectives: quests, dungeons, trials, and PvP.

The only real problem right now is that people AFK grind 12 hours a day to create such a gap. Move Champion Point gain to actual content and the problem solves itself. Those who play the game the most deserve to be the best, not those who grind the most.

The system would still be flawed.
Given enough time, game population will spread in 1000 or more cp and PVE content will be impossible to balance.

CP system was a shortsighted move from ZOS IMHO.

Sorry for my bad english.

How would PvE content be hard to balance? You can do all end game trials with less than 100 CP EASILY right now. The only "balance" they would need to do is to add new end game PvE suited for players with more CP. That's it. Players with no CP get the current content, players with lots of CP get harder content.

BugCollector wrote: »

There's already a couple of players with 1000 CP. The gap just keeps on growing and growing between these grinders and newbie players. They have no way to catch up, even with ZOS's catch up program.

My suggestion is to get completely rid of the Champion System, BUT compensate the grinders, who have 400 or more CP, with a unique title and mount or something.

Champion System is the cause of imbalance. Listen before it's too late.

So you want ZOS to take away the one reward that the champion system gave us and give us a cheesy mount and title, lol. This has to be the worst thing I ever heard. Honestly the difference between 200 and 300cp is so minimal that it hardly makes a difference. Don't go full-***...

MaximusDargus wrote: »

^ that

You cant demand removal of CP just because eventually all content will be too easy.

You should demand harder new PvE content to match your character developement.

Also, you can create challenge by yourself by picking weaker gear, running without some buffs etc. and trying to challenge yourself.

Dont act all suprised when you run something with perfect gear, max stats and suddenly its too easy. Wasnt it what you aimed for? To be so good everything is easy? Or you enjoy struggilng with every raid forever.

I think you are missing the point.
There isn't any content scaled to CP.
It all the same content.
So those with no CP will find it hard or those with lots of CP will find it easy (like they do now).

Unless of course the CP impact power is negligible so you would be happy to give them all back and get rid of it ?

MaximusDargus wrote: »

^ that

You cant demand removal of CP just because eventually all content will be too easy.

You should demand harder new PvE content to match your character developement.

Also, you can create challenge by yourself by picking weaker gear, running without some buffs etc. and trying to challenge yourself.

Dont act all suprised when you run something with perfect gear, max stats and suddenly its too easy. Wasnt it what you aimed for? To be so good everything is easy? Or you enjoy struggilng with every raid forever.

I want to do harder and new content. It's an rpg after all, my pg have to feel more powerfull as time goes by.
But what is hard for me and my 200CP is trivial for people with 500+CP.

How can Zenimax deliver a content that feels enagaging for all, given the actual CP system?

Pheefs wrote: »

Champion Points are fun!
& I love earning them for my lower characters

...but I don't mind that PVP grinders have more than me.
AND I don't feel ineffective in Cyrodiil either, I win some & loose some.

Why are we supposed to care so much how many points other people have? I don't get it!

That ^
If you can't compete in PvP, don't blame CP, maybe you just ****.

Leandor wrote: »

In regards to balancing PvE: How about balancing normal mode around little CP (like 200) and hard mode around current max CP? Everyone not at current max will have a real nice challenge up to "can't do it"-hard (which is what is stipulated by top end PvE crowd).

The only change required to current itemization would be that normal mode will have to reward max level equipment as well, so you need two different sets of item sets.

I am afraid it would still impossible to balance. Too many variables: gear, VR, CP

Soon PVE will be an unmanageable mess IMHO.

That might sound harsh but players with less time should pick MMOs where your progress is not determined by actual time spent in game (most of browser games where resources regenerate over time and you just log in to spent them).

Otherwise they knew what they were signing for. In real time MMO players with more time will always be ahead of players with less time.

Anyone farming that much CP would barely pvp so you have nothing to worry about

Some would say its P2W but im not going to judge anyone what they do with their own money.
At least ZOS would have source of income to keep the servers running ^^

BugCollector wrote: »

There's already a couple of players with 1000 CP. The gap just keeps on growing and growing between these grinders and newbie players. They have no way to catch up, even with ZOS's catch up program.

My suggestion is to get completely rid of the Champion System, BUT compensate the grinders, who have 400 or more CP, with a unique title and mount or something.

Champion System is the cause of imbalance. Listen before it's too late.

I agree. it is better to add with each big update 5 levels to the maximum. it means that it is necessary to add a lot of high level contkent with each big update...

MaximusDargus wrote: »

That might sound harsh but players with less time should pick MMOs where your progress is not determined by actual time spent in game (most of browser games where resources regenerate over time and you just log in to spent them).

Otherwise they knew what they were signing for. In real time MMO players with more time will always be ahead of players with less time.

I see from your signature that you are against the removal of stam regen while blocking.

Can I ask you why? This may sound harsh, but if you can't keep up with champion points to have a stamina pool big enough to tank any content, you should think to play other games. May I suggest a browser game?