VR16 - Yes, or no?

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO · July 2015

No

The more you increase vet levels, the less content is there for the endgame, the more content becomes obsolete.

And then there is the whole gear grind issue. Gear grind = find another game for me.

Denssor · July 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

Denssor wrote: »

Where's the option for "only if they add more content with it"? Because I don't see the point of adding 2 more levels if there are no quest, dungeons, raids, and bosses to do for those 2 levels.

So people still haven't gotten that this will be in connection with IC?

Do you know what will all be included in the Imperial City? Will there be content added for all level ranges? Just VR 15/16? Because if there is not enough content to non-grind your way to VR16, then it's pointless. I rather see more content for the levels we already have, but new levels needs their own content that only they can do. Otherwise you'll just be bored with that content before you even get to the new cap. I just want to make sure that ZoS knows that they need content first.

Personofsecrets · July 2015

No

We can't have gear progression if it is locked behind a play to win wall and then nerfd every few months.

Rinmaethodain · July 2015

Yes

YES because i dont care that my VR14 gear have 40 less max hp than VR16 will have and i can play and have fun just with VR14 gear as VR16. Exactly like i was running in VR1 gear untill i was VR10

Alphashado · July 2015

Yes

Xabien wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

I only vote yes because if that's what they need to do in order to roll out new content, then so be it. ESO is in desperate need of new content above all else.

And the xp buffs lighten the blow some.

If that's what they said then it's BS. Why would they need to add levels to add content? Why couldn't they just add it in at VR14? Never heard anything so ridiculous from an MMO dev.

"Long term goal is still to remove veteran ranks, but it is intimately tied with gear progression currently. This allows them to release more content without the delay on full re-itemization."

I don't know the details, but this was the reason provided I believe, it's a 2cnd party paraphrase from yesterday's ESO live. I believe it basically means they want to introduce new gear with the new content, and the time it would take to itemize all the new gear as well as all the existing gear in order for it to match a vet system restructure, would delay the release of new content even further.

Personofsecrets · July 2015

No

MaximusDargus wrote: »

YES because i dont care that my VR14 gear have 40 less max hp than VR16 will have and i can play and have fun just with VR14 gear as VR16. Exactly like i was running in VR1 gear untill i was VR10

if you dont care, then dont be complacent with a system that makes the game worse for people that do care.

NateAssassin · July 2015

Yes

MaximusDargus wrote: »

YES because i dont care that my VR14 gear have 40 less max hp than VR16 will have and i can play and have fun just with VR14 gear as VR16. Exactly like i was running in VR1 gear untill i was VR10

This.

Unless you are some min/max elitist, having 40 more health won't do much for you when enemies can do 3k DMG per attack.

Rinmaethodain · July 2015

Yes

How is it making game worse? By the fact that if you simply dont like VR16 then you can stay at whatever lvl you are and let people who want to play game get there?

Personofsecrets · July 2015

No

Alphashado wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

I only vote yes because if that's what they need to do in order to roll out new content, then so be it. ESO is in desperate need of new content above all else.

And the xp buffs lighten the blow some.

If that's what they said then it's BS. Why would they need to add levels to add content? Why couldn't they just add it in at VR14? Never heard anything so ridiculous from an MMO dev.

" Long term goal is still to remove veteran ranks, but it is intimately tied with gear progression currently. This allows them to release more content without the delay on full re-itemization."

I don't know the details, but this was the reason provided I believe, it's a 2cnd party paraphrase from yesterday's ESO live. I believe it basically means they want to introduce new gear with the new content, and the time it would take to itemize all the new gear as well as all the existing gear in order for it to match a vet system restructure, would delay the release of new content even further.

I'll be fine with this so long as the 'tier' system that was speculated about, rather than being a v10-v14, now becomes a future consolidation for v10-v16.

Personofsecrets · July 2015

No

MaximusDargus wrote: »

How is it making game worse? By the fact that if you simply dont like VR16 then you can stay at whatever lvl you are and let people who want to play game get there?

ill just chose to upgrade these v12 warlock rings to v16, oh wait.

m12d12_ESO · July 2015

Yes. I want to keep my veteran levels. I have two accounts and multiple vets and I have worked hard on
each one of them. Countless hours on this game trying to make progress. If it means upping the levels to keep them - I say "yes" keep the veteran levels.

As far as content- ESO will always have to add new content to keep the game viable. It is still in its early years and predicted to last aleast 10 more years. New content and new levels are assured to come.

Savinder · July 2015

No

I strongly dislike the current VR levels we have in the game and how "grindy" the whole thing is, so having even more VR levels with a very, very minor reduction in XP required for each level is not something I want.
And so don't a few friends of mine that have almost stopped playing due to the already existing VR grind.

Seth_Black · July 2015

Yes

Yes! I want to see all who paid millions for gear CRY ...cry a LOT!

Crafted gear combinations were good enough even without PvP parts ...and now you'll all see how much it was really worth

Buying gear was always stupid idea ...but hey! I'll have more to sell on v16

lathbury · July 2015

Yes

Seth_Black wrote: »

Yes! I want to see all who paid millions for gear CRY ...cry a LOT!
Crafted gear combinations were good enough even without PvP parts ...and now you'll all see how much it was really worth
Buying gear was always stupid idea ...but hey! I'll have more to sell on v16

pretty certain i'll still be wearing my ravager that last bonus is worth a lot more than a tiny bit of armour rating.

GaldorP · July 2015

I posted this in another poll thread with the same poll

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GaldorP wrote: »

If there's PvE content (solo and group content) where VR 16 character can gain XP at the same rate as lower VR characters can right now then I don't really mind it.

Even though I'll probably have to replace all my gear... again ><

I have to say though I see no good reason at the moment why the increase in max VR is really, absolutely needed. Hopefully, Eric Wrobel will explain why the update is needed in the next ESO live which will be more about itemization.

Roselle · July 2015

Yes

The experience curve for ESO is not that bad...

Other MMOs (particularly Korean) have insane grinds!

#tricksteronlineIrememberyou

Wolfshead · July 2015

No

WelshAssassin1987 wrote: »

No. Progression is needed, but not like this. Level caps should never be raised frequently as it just makes players think "why bother" getting geared up to replace it a month later. In my opinion level cap should not be raised more than once every two years

Well im ok if the raised lvl cap with a new expansion then im ok with but i would not call Imperial City a expansion it is more like content update which we on PC have wait for more then 6 month+ to get. So i total agree with on that lvl cap should raised once or maybe twice in 1 year.

Seth_Black · July 2015

Yes

lathbury wrote: »

Seth_Black wrote: »

Yes! I want to see all who paid millions for gear CRY ...cry a LOT!
Crafted gear combinations were good enough even without PvP parts ...and now you'll all see how much it was really worth
Buying gear was always stupid idea ...but hey! I'll have more to sell on v16

pretty certain i'll still be wearing my ravager that last bonus is worth a lot more than a tiny bit of armour rating.

Don't forget about POSSIBLE gear set bonuses changes!

lathbury · July 2015

Yes

Seth_Black wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Seth_Black wrote: »

Yes! I want to see all who paid millions for gear CRY ...cry a LOT!
Crafted gear combinations were good enough even without PvP parts ...and now you'll all see how much it was really worth
Buying gear was always stupid idea ...but hey! I'll have more to sell on v16

pretty certain i'll still be wearing my ravager that last bonus is worth a lot more than a tiny bit of armour rating.

Don't forget about POSSIBLE gear set bonuses changes!

oh no there is a possible thing that may or may not affect me you guys are right the sky is falling

Helluin · July 2015

Yes

"Yes" with new contents but adding an improved AvA ranks system (similar to Warhammer Online or something like that) and especially removing the endless grind of Champion system (or adding to it a seasonal cap).

If Champion system has to stay, than I'd say "No" to VR increase.

GrimlockSaves · July 2015

No

No.

MAKE NEW CONTENT, NOT NEW DISTANCE!

Adding more Vet levels is like saying: "Ok, in order to make this 100 meter dash more challenging and appealing, let's make it a 200 meter dash, and anything we gave them for running 100 will be made useless by the 200 meter rewards in one fatal swoop."

Whoopty-freaking-do.

Instead, why not add challenge by adding challenge? For instance "In order to make this 100 meter race more challenging and appealing, let's add hurdles at the start, followed by a tight rope walk over a pool full of crocodiles, then a wall you climb up then jump off into another pool filled with chocolate milk that you need to swim through to the finish line."

In other words, why not make it more challenging by creating new mechanics that require greater skills, or even just different skills and strategies. Be creative. Think up new monsters and scenarios with new mechanics - not just new monsters with higher levels, attack power and HP that in order to kill you just need a higher level, attack power and HP.

Make skill and strategy count more than time investment. Look at the Cyrodiil emperorship... It's not a matter of skill, it is a matter of spending time - hours to days to weeks of farming cheap AP in any exploitative way possible. Where is the respect in that? You almost have to consider it a crown of shame.

Beyond challenge, many of us just want new places to go and things to see. Create new stories with decisions that matter. New activities. New world events that bring people together in a common cause...

Content, not levels.

TequilaFire · July 2015

Yes

To be honest I don't play my VR14 much because there is no vertical advancement, why I have so many mid and low level alts
as that is where I have the most fun.
This mythical "end game" doesn't exist for me in this game as I can do all of it at mid VR.
So adding a couple of VR ranks will get me to actually play my VR14 more.
I can only hope they plan on going through with new content to make it more interesting though.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · July 2015

No

Aetherderius wrote: »

I just want more content

everybody wants more content, nobody (well aperantly 40% still wants it WTF) wants to grind more vr's, has to recraft all his gear, I've got 2 v14's with about 6 full end lvl sets, gonna cost me a fortune to recraft/refind/rebuy everything for 0.00001 stat increase but I'll have to
CP was to be the new progression system
I never really believed they would actually remove the current VR ranks, but was slightly hoping they wouldn't add more since now the CP system is introduced, ow well, fooled again

Leandor · July 2015

Yes

It was to be expected. The items currently in game can probably not be rescaled in a fair manner. My bets still lie in further veteran rank increases until a conversion to normal levels works with a "good" number attached (65 as of with VR16 or maybe 70), then make the switch and go with season gear thereafter.

Not that it would make much difference, the item chase would still be the base progress mechanic, but that's also to be expected.

Not that I like this, mind, since I have a full set of VR14 tank gear sitting on my mule for the tank I was about to start (currently 28), who is not going to reach VR14 before this change goes life...

Nermy · July 2015

Yes

Why are people complaining? Every MMO I have ever known eventually raises the max level. It means new challenges, new gear and more to do! it's already been stated that it will take a lot to get rid of VR levels so you may as well accept them.

Those who are complaining about having to get new gear should just go and play something else because I reckon every 6 months or so you will need to re-equip toons with new gear.

It's how this genre of games works...

Kupoking · July 2015

No

The more your raise vet le el the more you seclude endgame content.

Nobody wants to run aa for v12 gear. Think about v12 4 men dungeons too. Forget it, most peeps with be in v16 content only.

Not to mention, previous content will be much more easier. Something bad here because now all content is un challenging. Heck, even vdsa is ultra easy compared as 1.5. Took me over 3 month to finish it my first time. Now im runing grp with 2-3 others who never ran it and manage to complete it.

So in short; my no agruments
1-obsolete content

2-content gets more and more easy or dumbed down

3-other than gear, progression is meaningless.

4-speaking of progression, the are cp to gains for at least the next 5 yrs to come. No point adding 2 vet ranks, its NOTHING compared to the cl system.

5- the total overall level will jump from 184 to 212 levels since 1 vr = 14 lvls , which is the double number as of WoW, which now also sells leveled up characters.

6-this announcement with the selling of exp buffs with crown few weeks ago makes most gamers wonder if there is a correlation. And nowing ZoS, i tend to believe there is. (Mind yiu crafted exp pots are so hard to get, ppl will just buy with crown)

7-announced back in fall that zos is working on a parallel system to replace vr ranks which is the champ system that came out 6 months ago. Now with Maria (mother of cp system) out, wroebel decide to can this and proceed to increase vr cap. Way to waste content.

8-new content can get in the game without adding more vr ranks. If you think otherwise your brain doesn t function properly and you might be ZoS s new target audience seeing how the dumb down everything.

9-2 new vet ranks will take me an evening to achieve. its not the grind the problem, its the lacks of visions behind this decision as well as the lies. Most pvpers andways will raid Cracked wood cave or come other grindspot then will be done with it.

GreySix · July 2015

No

No votes significantly outnumber the yes votes.

Apparently, Zenimax at least knows its forum audience.

Dudis · July 2015

Yes

Don't care either way. If they feel it's needed to add new content then I'm fine with it.

Ultimately though, I really hope they come through on their promise to remove VRs altogether.

Zorrashi · July 2015

No

GreySix wrote: »

Yes votes significantly outnumber the no votes.

Apparently, Zenimax at least knows its forum audience.

Do they really? Because that's not what i'm seeing here. "No" is at about the 56% mark, so its a pretty even split.

GreySix · July 2015

No

Zorrashi wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Yes votes significantly outnumber the no votes.

Apparently, Zenimax at least knows its forum audience.

Do they really? Because that's not what i'm seeing here. "No" is at about the 56% mark, so its a pretty even split.

You're correct. I'm not yet fully awake, and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

Will adjust post accordingly.