Why ?

a 400ms latency is normal ... 40ms latency is only relevant in small party PvP ... imo

We don't 'lag' things up for others, at least not to my knowledge. Is this OOR an actual thing, or is it just other players complaining because that's what people do when they get on a forum.

Some other games have tried in the past, but Australia/Oceania just doesn't seem to have the numbers to support such an option.

It's true that relatively high latency makes somethings much more difficult and some things rather impossible for us. It's just something we have to put up with. Unfortunately it's getting worse as MMOs become more twitch-responsive in their combat mechanics. Thankfully it hasn't gotten to the point yet though where we can't at least adapt partially still.

Noomfy-Mop wrote: »

I only ask because the vast majority of my experience with online games (or at least playing online) comes from battlefield and there's been countless complaints and forum threads discussing OOR (out of region players) and how they lag up the game and make it un-bearable to play.

Now being from Australia and playing on a North American server I can't help but feel like im OOR and may potentially be ruining other people's game experience.

Am I just over thinking this?
Is there even such thing as OOR in ESO?

I haven't noticed any major problems (besides the odd lag and d/c which is to be expected with games like this) and no one has said anything to me but I honestly don't know... Which is why I ask... Other wise I wouldn't ask ;p

Now this isn't a demand.. "MAKE A DAM AUSSIE SERVER"!!!
It's a query. Does me playing on a NA server from Aus affect others gameplay and if so is there any plans in the works about making an Aus server.

I doubt they will add one any time soon its been like this for aussie mmo players for a long time. We are born into the lagg and we are forged by its flames!!!

QuadroTony wrote: »

what is Aussie?

Australian

QuadroTony wrote: »

what is Aussie?

Another good question: WHY is this a continent!? I mean... Really?

The_Sadist wrote: »

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

QuadroTony wrote: »

what is Aussie?

Another good question: WHY is this a continent!? I mean... Really?

Because it's habitable and awesome?

Perfect pic for you're response..

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

QuadroTony wrote: »

what is Aussie?

Another good question: WHY is this a continent!? I mean... Really?

you can drive across Europe faster than you can drive across Australia. Fact.

If anything, Aussies and Americans help to nightcap (not their fault) everything on Eu servers

as I stated I've only had minor lag and the odd disconnection issue but that happens with every game I play online.

I did use the word "un-playable" but i was referring to comments I've heard OTHER players make about OTHER games.

@Rev Rielle
Yes! OOR is a real thing. Wheather or not it actually effects gameplay is another discussion.
I only ask because, as I said, I've played a lot of BF4 multiplayer and it was a huge thing in that game. There's a thread in their forums about it that's up to roughly 120 pages. Probably more now it's been a while since I've been there. Basically everyone was going on... And on and on and on.. About the Japanese and Brazilians (hence forth known as OOR) jumping on US and/or EU servers because they had such low ping (the OOR players) that the game would compensate for it by lowering the ping of the people who were playing on their own regions servers and in turn lagged up the game for the people playing in their own region in theory giving the OORs a kind of god mode. You could literally empty an entire magazine into an enemy's back and because he was OOR the hits wouldn't register and he'd then turn around (as your switching to your side arm and shooting him some more) and shoot you once in the foot and your dead. And when it came to face to face confrontation you had no chance in hell of coming out on top.

As you can imagine this caused many a heated discussion and I didn't want to be negatively effecting others the way OORs effected people in BF4. Although ESO isn't as fast paced and I have yet to experience lag the way I did on occasion in BF4 and haven't experienced rubber banding at all in ESO so far. There were times I couldn't do ANYTHING. I was stuck in an invisible box at spawn that stopped me from moving a step in any direction and from shooting, changing weapons, going prone. EVERYTHING. And it sucked and I wasn't sure if it was the same for this game and if it was Wheather or not they'll make an Aussie... Oh sorry.. AUSTRALIAN server to counter the problem.
But since there's no problem there's no need to counter is there

@Danikat
Never heard of players from other regions causing in region players lag ay??
Google battlefield 4 forums, OOR.. You'll hear plenty about it then lol.
That is only if you actually care enough lol
Obviously this problem was thought through in the process of making ESO because it makes total sense what you said about lag only affecting the single OOR player and not everyone. However the opposite is fact for BF4 for some entirely bizarre reason.

Noomfy-Mop wrote: »

as I stated I've only had minor lag and the odd disconnection issue but that happens with every game I play online.

I did use the word "un-playable" but i was referring to comments I've heard OTHER players make about OTHER games.

@Rev Rielle
Yes! OOR is a real thing. Wheather or not it actually effects gameplay is another discussion.
I only ask because, as I said, I've played a lot of BF4 multiplayer and it was a huge thing in that game. There's a thread in their forums about it that's up to roughly 120 pages. Probably more now it's been a while since I've been there. Basically everyone was going on... And on and on and on.. About the Japanese and Brazilians (hence forth known as OOR) jumping on US and/or EU servers because they had such low ping (the OOR players) that the game would compensate for it by lowering the ping of the people who were playing on their own regions servers and in turn lagged up the game for the people playing in their own region in theory giving the OORs a kind of god mode. You could literally empty an entire magazine into an enemy's back and because he was OOR the hits wouldn't register and he'd then turn around (as your switching to your side arm and shooting him some more) and shoot you once in the foot and your dead. And when it came to face to face confrontation you had no chance in hell of coming out on top.

As you can imagine this caused many a heated discussion and I didn't want to be negatively effecting others the way OORs effected people in BF4. Although ESO isn't as fast paced and I have yet to experience lag the way I did on occasion in BF4 and haven't experienced rubber banding at all in ESO so far. There were times I couldn't do ANYTHING. I was stuck in an invisible box at spawn that stopped me from moving a step in any direction and from shooting, changing weapons, going prone. EVERYTHING. And it sucked and I wasn't sure if it was the same for this game and if it was Wheather or not they'll make an Aussie... Oh sorry.. AUSTRALIAN server to counter the problem.
But since there's no problem there's no need to counter is there

@Danikat
Never heard of players from other regions causing in region players lag ay??
Google battlefield 4 forums, OOR.. You'll hear plenty about it then lol.
That is only if you actually care enough lol
Obviously this problem was thought through in the process of making ESO because it makes total sense what you said about lag only affecting the single OOR player and not everyone. However the opposite is fact for BF4 for some entirely bizarre reason.

"the game would compensate for it by lowering the ping of the people who were playing on their own regions servers and in turn lagged up the game for the people playing in their own region"

This sounds like something that was deliberately built into that game, not something all online games would do by default. It probably looked good on paper; smoothing out lag spikes to even the playing field. They may not have considered that people would take advantage of the system (or that it would be possible to do so).

Plays out of New Zealand without too many problems most of the time. Same with gw2 & Battlefield 4 in the past. Granted most of my bf4 play was on an Australian server.
Gw2 is run on megaservers based in the US & somewhere in Europe.

I am from Aus and I don't have any lag on the server =\

I want to be nice, and I have no problem with Aussies. I hesitate to wade into this, but I'm going to call it like I see it.

I notice considerable latency when playing with Aussies. It's a problem for things like pledges and trials. I can usually tell when I'm playing with OOR.

Oceanic is only a problem because you don't really fit with NA or EU. So, the OOR problem in ESO NA is an Aussie problem.

People I talk to in my guild are CONSTANTLY complaining about it.

However, I will also say that when I play at times like 4:00AM EST, it seems like 9 out of 10 people are Aussies, so I'm not sure how empty the game would be if they split us.

There is a bit of a trade off between connection quality and game population. Not sure this game has the population to justify or sustain another server.

I wonder why no one has created a business in Australia that offers servers to online games? Ive been playing online games for over ten years now and I've read countless forum threads asking the same thing: Aussie servers. There has to be money in it, yet no one has thought to start up a business? Gives me an idea...

... Because of the reasons I outlined above. and the cost of doing so is quite exorbitant. It's not a smart business move. Games are seasonal flow items, they are not good business because of that. Games almost always are at the peak capacity right from release and over time the numbers of actual players subside and dwindle. Even a MMO needs to breathe life into itself once in a while to boost its subscriber revenues again (i.e. ZOS and the Console Releases, Blizzard and WoW Expansion Packs). This business model is needed to stay afloat.

Keep this in mind, if a game publisher contracts a Service Provider to provide X amount of capacity for their game hosted here, at first it might be sustainable for business. But over time as purchases of the game taper off, but the costs of hosting that Server don't. That's still fairly static as an ongoing on that contract. Suddenly the gap between revenue and cost narrows drastically and Servers end up shutting down.

As for the setup of a business, here's the lowdown.

Firstly you will need a proper datacentre. That involves electrical work to firstly have three phase circuits installed, raised flooring installed, comms risers terminated inside, climate control and dehumidification, and high capacity UPS infrastructure not to mention Fire Retardant and monitoring systems.

You will be down at least half a million before you even put a single rack into play (At least 100-150K on the UPS alone and don't get me started on the cost of having Emerson in your DC for cooling.. oh and you'll need service contracts as well).

Then lets look at the tech. Lets say you start with Four Racks, theres 2 grand each for decent 48RU APC Netshelters. You'll need the sparkies to get your wiring into play. Lets say you run two Cisco UCS Chassis (5108's) with a full array of B200 M4's in three of those racks. Even at bundle pricing that's still $150,000 of Servers per rack (Not Inc RAM Upgrades), and you still need to consider a decent SAN for the DC (An EMC VNX Series will set you back another 100K for around 50TB), lets say one per rack plus your UCS Fiber Interconnects (8K Each, you'll need two for redundancy per rack), This is close to 3/4 of a Million just on Server Infrastructure.

And I haven't even begun to get onto Core and Edge Switching/Routing with Link Aggregation (100K for an Enterasys S8 for example), the cost of your Uplinks (and redundant failovers), the cost of Engineers to write your BGP Tables and configs, the list just goes on.. this post would be ten pages long by the time im done.

And that's just the planning and service transition phase, not even into Operations yet where there will be even more upkeep

By the time you're done, before you even open for business you will be down 5 Million EASY! Now work out your return on investment. If ZOS Paid $3 per ESO+ Sub that uses the Aus Servers, fixed on a contract of say 25,000 users.. That's 75K a month. That would take you 5.5 Years to Pay down the ROI on just the setup cost alone.. If you factored in your operational costs it would be closer to ten years.

that is why no one has done this in Australia yet.