Console text chat discussion

Zazaaji · June 2015

r.kolasab14_ESO wrote: »

They won't lose least not in the pocket book aka bank account.

Getting ZoS to admit they made a bad choice has never been done once to my knowledge, ever since Beta for PC. I'm pretty sure they won't start now.

That being said, I'm still refusing to spend absolutely any more money on ESO (Crowns nor ESO Plus) until they add text chat for consoles. Once that happens, I'll gladly spend $100 on Crowns to show my support of them listening to the majority of their players.

BigM · June 2015

Zazaaji wrote: »

r.kolasab14_ESO wrote: »

They won't lose least not in the pocket book aka bank account.

Getting ZoS to admit they made a bad choice has never been done once to my knowledge, ever since Beta for PC. I'm pretty sure they won't start now.

That being said, I'm still refusing to spend absolutely any more money on ESO (Crowns nor ESO Plus) until they add text chat for consoles. Once that happens, I'll gladly spend $100 on Crowns to show my support of them listening to the majority of their players.

They more than likely think they will get you once the first DLC hits! You know the one we were suppose to receive on PC/MAC before B2P!

choltan49_1999ub17_ESO · June 2015

Earlier someone posted that they wanted to hear 1 good reason to have text chat on the console. There are actually several, but the main one is happening to me right now. What are you supposed to do when the voice chat goes down? If voice chat goes down and that is the only way you have to communicate with anyone, you are totally screwed. At least with text chat you have an alternate way to communicate with people if voice goes down. I do agree that any text chat should and must be optional though.

Alphashado · June 2015

choltan49_1999ub17_ESO wrote: »

Earlier someone posted that they wanted to hear 1 good reason to have text chat on the console. There are actually several, but the main one is happening to me right now. What are you supposed to do when the voice chat goes down? If voice chat goes down and that is the only way you have to communicate with anyone, you are totally screwed. At least with text chat you have an alternate way to communicate with people if voice goes down. I do agree that any text chat should and must be optional though.

Aye. In fact I would be interested in one good reason not to have text chat. Every single reason someone has given can also be achieved by switching an optional chat to "OFF".

Pawkette · June 2015

@Alphashado that's pretty subjective, for example if people decided to switch to text chat en masse it would become very difficult to communicate to anyone who wasn't typing.

Merkabeh · June 2015

Pawkette wrote: »

@Alphashado that's pretty subjective, for example if people decided to switch to text chat en masse it would become very difficult to communicate to anyone who wasn't typing.

Wouldn't the switch to text chat en masse actually demonstrate that many, many, many people want text chat and believe it is the superior option for communication? If it was drastic enough to effect voice comms that severely, wouldn't that show ZOS made the right decision by giving the players the preferred method of communication?

So you are afraid that people really want text chat, and then they will not be forced to use your preferred method, even though they obviously preferred text chat themselves, since they immediately and en masse switched to that form?

Is that understanding this point correctly? Because that is how it sounds to me.

Pawkette · June 2015

@Merkabeh yes, have I ever lead you to believe that my opinion wasn't self serving?

Merkabeh · June 2015

Pawkette wrote: »

@Merkabeh yes, have I ever lead you to believe that my opinion wasn't self serving?

Actually no, you haven't ever stated otherwise. And I appreciate your honesty on that; everyone stating their opinion is arguing for self-interest; obviously we point to others and trends, etc as support for our opinion, but ultimately, it is self interest (on both sides).

Much respect for being able to admit that.

Pawkette · June 2015

@Merkabeh I'm certainly not a benevolent leader. Gaming communities are a good place to take part in because I can express my ideals, my concerns, my opinions and read the reactions of other people who play games without them being reflected upon the games I work on.

It is my hope that if I ever bring a game that traditionally has chat to a console that I won't have to have text chat, but it would appear that isn't the case. So I should probably get to figuring out a good way to make a companion app with chat for consoles

Merkabeh · June 2015

Pawkette wrote: »

@Merkabeh I'm certainly not a benevolent leader. Gaming communities are a good place to take part in because I can express my ideals, my concerns, my opinions and read the reactions of other people who play games without them being reflected upon the games I work on.

It is my hope that if I ever bring a game that traditionally has chat to a console that I won't have to have text chat, but it would appear that isn't the case. So I should probably get to figuring out a good way to make a companion app with chat for consoles

XBone tech may be a great option here; the ability to nest an application on the screen while a game is playing could provide a great method for having text chat separate from the game, yet still easily accessible. Unfortunately, PS4 doesn't support this, at least that I have seen.

3rd party applications and software are great, but remember, every time a user must look to another device, they are taking their eyes off the screen the game is on. This can be problematic with a very "chatty" group in text chat; and really is no better then using the built in chat for each console.

Given 2 methods of communication, voice comms and text chat; in my experience, having both options is the ideal solution. As I've stated many times, there are distinct advantages to voice comms and distinct advantages to text chat; if you trust your users to be savvy enough; why not provide both.

Now, let us talk about in game vs out of game solutions.
1. Voice comms and Text chat are both in game. Obviously this is ideal when you talk about communication options (although some people do not like the chat box on the screen), at least until we master psychic communication. The user can set themselves up in their voice comms of choice, then play the game and monitor their text window as they play without removing their eyes from the screen; choosing then to respond when necessary.

2. Voice comms external. Text chat in game. This is the traditional MMO setup. The game provides text chat, users setup their own voice comms. This is great for gameplay, because the user is able to join their voice chat channel of choice, then focus completely on the game (same as text chat in game above). The only time the player needs to lose focus on the game is when they are changing channels in their voice comms application.

3. Voice comms in game. Text chat external. This creates a problem. In order to stay abreast of text chat, the user must constantly at least look away from the screen and focus on something else; in the case of PSN Messaging, the user must actually completely leave the game to view the messages. If the user does not constantly do this, they lose the "real time" responsiveness of text chat. Voice comms are the same as in option 1.

4. No communication in game. I don't think anyone believes this is a good decision in MMOs, but hey, I thought I'd list it as an option. It basically is a merging of 2 and 3's downsides.

So given these possible scenarios, you can see there is 2 different concepts of intrusion; intrusive to the UI on screen and intrusive the user while playing.

Option 1 is the least intrusive to the user playing, but is intrusive to the UI on screen (because of the chat box). Option 2 is minimally intrusive to the user while playing the game, but once again, has an intrusion to the UI. Option 3 the UI is cleaner, but now the act of monitoring all communication options has become much more of a distraction to the user playing the game.

I'm just brainstorming this with you; not intending to be combative or anything. Would like to hear your thoughts on this; I hope it is explained thoroughly, so you can understand my points, if you have a question about what I mean, I'd gladly explain further (assuming you are interested).

Pawkette · June 2015

*sighs and walks away*

Amiculi · June 2015

I swear the anti-Text chat crowd believes that adding text chat means they have to LITERALLY be inputting to the keyboard non-stop to maintain a connection to the game.

Also, so far as splintering the community goes, I guess the huge volume of people who merely mute voice chat as soon as they come on aren't splintering it even more?

ESO remains the only MMO to date to fully remove text chat and it seems to me that most people aren't in the least bit happy about it.

heartburnkid · June 2015

Amiculi wrote: »

I swear the anti-Text chat crowd believes that adding text chat means they have to LITERALLY be inputting to the keyboard non-stop to maintain a connection to the game.

Also, so far as splintering the community goes, I guess the huge volume of people who merely mute voice chat as soon as they come on aren't splintering it even more?

ESO remains the only MMO to date to fully remove text chat and it seems to me that most people aren't in the least bit happy about it.

I, for one, refuse to spend any money or sub to the game until they implement it. I am impressed with everything except the lfg finder and the absence of text chat. Rp community and deaf people be damned.

Heromofo · June 2015

Please ZOS before the release i was 100% behind voip but please for the love of god give us a way to permanently shut it off.
as well as a text chat i am sorry but i have had enough of the sick crap over the mics.

First wether or not people are trolling or just been sick [ you dont sit around making sexual noises and other sounds that I'd rather not say].

Second the outlandish abuse i dont care if you want to swear your head off even if you are 12 years old but directing it ar other players is just wrong. [ Today drove me off with this from someone very very young [ Oi you N***a F*** what the F*** os wrong with you] i do not wish to hear this crap full stop ZOS.

heartburnkid · June 2015

Heromofo wrote: »

Please ZOS before the release i was 100% behind voip but please for the love of god give us a way to permanently shut it off.
as well as a text chat i am sorry but i have had enough of the sick crap over the mics.

First wether or not people are trolling or just been sick [ you dont sit around making sexual noises and other sounds that I'd rather not say].

Second the outlandish abuse i dont care if you want to swear your head off even if you are 12 years old but directing it ar other players is just wrong. [ Today drove me off with this from someone very very young [ Oi you N***a F*** what the F*** os wrong with you] i do not wish to hear this crap full stop ZOS.

Yea, really.

At least with language filters on text chat you can hide the foul language. Even an inferior game by mediocre developers (dc universe) has the chat system down perfectly, and warps players to instance when it pops. Zenimax is good. Very good. And this game is beatiful and amazing. It can be perfect with those two features added. (At least the text chat)

Heromofo · June 2015

heartburnkid wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Please ZOS before the release i was 100% behind voip but please for the love of god give us a way to permanently shut it off.
as well as a text chat i am sorry but i have had enough of the sick crap over the mics.

First wether or not people are trolling or just been sick [ you dont sit around making sexual noises and other sounds that I'd rather not say].

Second the outlandish abuse i dont care if you want to swear your head off even if you are 12 years old but directing it ar other players is just wrong. [ Today drove me off with this from someone very very young [ Oi you N***a F*** what the F*** os wrong with you] i do not wish to hear this crap full stop ZOS.

Yea, really.

At least with language filters on text chat you can hide the foul language. Even an inferior game by mediocre developers (dc universe) has the chat system down perfectly, and warps players to instance when it pops. Zenimax is good. Very good. And this game is beatiful and amazing. It can be perfect with those two features added. (At least the text chat)

Yeah well you know it's bad when an Aussie like my self who swears like a trooper is disgusted by what he is hearing in the game.

Ishta · June 2015

Pawkette wrote: »

*sighs and walks away*

Wow, that's your response to his well thought out, reasoned and considerate post? I can't imagine working effectively (or happily) with you in a team situation at all and hope this is not a part of your role, whatever you're working on. This might just be a game forum, but you've disagreed and raised points and then behaved childishly.

Unfortunately this same kind of narrow minded reasoning has overseen the console version of the game being reduced to this state. There must have been some dissenting voices in-house, warning that implementing voice only would be fairly problematic considering the other game systems in place and the players understandable desire to utilize them effectively.

I can only hope that the people here and elsewhere who care enough to voice their disagreement and concern will actually be listened to and acted on. Even if only because while their ability to enjoy the game in a widely preferred and reasonable way doesn't matter, their $$$ still do.

RefreshDaemon · June 2015

I was recently in queue for over an hour as a healer trying to get a tank -- something that would not have happened had I access to zone or a LFG chat in a text box. Some guy mentioned that Destiny uses a 3rd party website to get groups; to which I replied, "...Just no, not no, but hell no..."

Exhausting my guild options to fill in the slot, I decided to shut the game down because it was taking too long. When I am playing PC, I am never without a group when I need it -- whether I am dps, tank, or healer.

If you guys had chat rooms for different dungeons and other group activities at the very least, it would go a long way to complimenting the voice chat direction

Pawkette · June 2015

@Ishta I've been accused of being difficult to work with before, and I am. I'm not really proud of it, but at the same time I don't really work with you guys and while I felt that @Merkabeh was making an interesting point I don't feel the need to delve further into the subject.

I believe the ideal solution will be something along the lines of:

Opt-in text chat log (similar to standard chat windows)
Notification when mentioned by name (@Person: I have a thing to say to you) outside of the opt-in text chat.
The ability to read and write via a companion app, or a keyboard attached to console (if supported). At the very least via the IME dialog on each platform.
Voice comms in groups by default, with text available as an opt-in.

But, I don't want to devolve into detailed discussions of the intricacies of that solution. Unless people think it's applicable to the game at hand and not my personal projects.

Orthodoxa · June 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Try being a GM of 2 guilds in this game, with over 700 people. Unmanageable with single channel voice chat.

Perhaps this game is designed will smaller, more communal guilds in mind. Personally, my preference is to stay away from giant, faceless guilds who will take anybody & play with a select group of folks where everyone knows everybody & enjoys their company.

But, hey - to each their own.

Then why allow up to 500 guild members in any given guild?

Hey, I'm allowed to eat an entire birthday cake in one sitting, doesn't mean I should do it or that it's a good idea.

@StaticWax As you could also rob a bank, run through public naked, or go dancing on top of police cruisers.

Don't side-step the question. If you think this game is designed for "smaller, more communal guilds in mind," then why do they allow up to 500 members per guild while also allowing each player to join 5 guilds?

If you can't figure out a way to coordinate your 500 member guild, then that's on you. Saying it's impossible is a short cut to thinking. Have your 500 m guild if that's what you're into. Use the tools in front of you.

If you ask me, text chat w/500 members is a circus anyway. Might as well just be in global/zone chat. It's ridiculous. Zeni gave you the "option" to form a 500 m guild. Sink or swim with it. The trade off is, small guild = tight comms with well known folks or giant guild = dungeon finder quality peeps with crap comms. The choice is yours. You choose the zerg, deal with it. You're doing it to yourself.

There is no inherently right or wrong answer here, folks. This is a subjective opinion based "feature" that does not exist in this game.

I'm assuming you're in agreement that voice chat w/ 500 members is a circus x 100?

I'm no advocate for spam, vocal or text. Of course with proper discipline, either can work. It's not impossible.

Please oh great master, teach us how to instill discipline on area/zone.

Better yet, @StaticWax and other opponents of players having the OPTION of text chat, demonstrate your ability to instill discipline on an area voice chat in one of the cities. Use the PS4's Share Button and make a YouTube video of you successfully getting a large group of people to use voice chat in a disciplined and polite manner so that messages can be heard, comprehended, and acted upon suitably. Please post the video so that we can see how you manage to do this, since the voice chat is working so splendidly!

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

CriD · June 2015

Why not. Leave voice chat where it is, whoever doesn't like it has already switched it off( and if you didn't know you can in fact turn it off) and add text chat.

People seem to think that you cannot have one without the other. Early I said both consoles have party chat and you could take voice chat out. Let me ammend that. Simply have both.

If you have already muted voice chat, you will not be effected by it and can just stick to text. Text chat usually appears on screen above the head, or in the chat box. Anyone using voice chat could still see it. They could still zone chat with other like minded people, while we use text chat to easily get dungeon groups (queue is lonnnnnggg for me), trade items, and make little memes out of letters and symbols.

We both win, noone loses....case closed?

Amiculi · June 2015

This is another fun side effect to the voice chat:

The voice server is apparently down, as since I logged in I've been getting the "Voice channel changed to X" message every 3-4 seconds along with a little ping noise.

It keeps auto-rejoining before I can leave, and both the rejoin and disconnect trigger the 4 second channel activity cooldown.

I eventually managed to get it to CHANGE channels in hopes that one of the guild channels would be better, nope, now it's just "Voice channel changed to all members 1"

Ping.

Ping.

Ping.

Ping.

Ping.

Ping.

Ping.

Immersion! Communication! The future of gaming!

Retained opt-out on area chat and text chat option plz.

CriD · June 2015

Sorry still don't know how to edit.

With both in place, even though the text chat player might not hear the voice chat ask a question or something, but generally standing or jumping or teabagging near someone long enough will cause them to type..... ? Or Can I helps you? Or. No thanks.

So wve

StaticWax · June 2015

Orthodoxa wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Try being a GM of 2 guilds in this game, with over 700 people. Unmanageable with single channel voice chat.

Perhaps this game is designed will smaller, more communal guilds in mind. Personally, my preference is to stay away from giant, faceless guilds who will take anybody & play with a select group of folks where everyone knows everybody & enjoys their company.

But, hey - to each their own.

Then why allow up to 500 guild members in any given guild?

Hey, I'm allowed to eat an entire birthday cake in one sitting, doesn't mean I should do it or that it's a good idea.

@StaticWax As you could also rob a bank, run through public naked, or go dancing on top of police cruisers.

Don't side-step the question. If you think this game is designed for "smaller, more communal guilds in mind," then why do they allow up to 500 members per guild while also allowing each player to join 5 guilds?

If you can't figure out a way to coordinate your 500 member guild, then that's on you. Saying it's impossible is a short cut to thinking. Have your 500 m guild if that's what you're into. Use the tools in front of you.

If you ask me, text chat w/500 members is a circus anyway. Might as well just be in global/zone chat. It's ridiculous. Zeni gave you the "option" to form a 500 m guild. Sink or swim with it. The trade off is, small guild = tight comms with well known folks or giant guild = dungeon finder quality peeps with crap comms. The choice is yours. You choose the zerg, deal with it. You're doing it to yourself.

There is no inherently right or wrong answer here, folks. This is a subjective opinion based "feature" that does not exist in this game.

I'm assuming you're in agreement that voice chat w/ 500 members is a circus x 100?

I'm no advocate for spam, vocal or text. Of course with proper discipline, either can work. It's not impossible.

Please oh great master, teach us how to instill discipline on area/zone.

Better yet, @StaticWax and other opponents of players having the OPTION of text chat, demonstrate your ability to instill discipline on an area voice chat in one of the cities. Use the PS4's Share Button and make a YouTube video of you successfully getting a large group of people to use voice chat in a disciplined and polite manner so that messages can be heard, comprehended, and acted upon suitably. Please post the video so that we can see how you manage to do this, since the voice chat is working so splendidly!

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

Uh... yea... the discipline I was referring to was in guild chat & it's organization. Reading comp & context ftw...

But thank you for trying to participate. Keep working at it, you'll get it eventually.

Shunravi · June 2015

StaticWax wrote: »

Orthodoxa wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Try being a GM of 2 guilds in this game, with over 700 people. Unmanageable with single channel voice chat.

Perhaps this game is designed will smaller, more communal guilds in mind. Personally, my preference is to stay away from giant, faceless guilds who will take anybody & play with a select group of folks where everyone knows everybody & enjoys their company.

But, hey - to each their own.

Then why allow up to 500 guild members in any given guild?

Hey, I'm allowed to eat an entire birthday cake in one sitting, doesn't mean I should do it or that it's a good idea.

@StaticWax As you could also rob a bank, run through public naked, or go dancing on top of police cruisers.

Don't side-step the question. If you think this game is designed for "smaller, more communal guilds in mind," then why do they allow up to 500 members per guild while also allowing each player to join 5 guilds?

If you can't figure out a way to coordinate your 500 member guild, then that's on you. Saying it's impossible is a short cut to thinking. Have your 500 m guild if that's what you're into. Use the tools in front of you.

If you ask me, text chat w/500 members is a circus anyway. Might as well just be in global/zone chat. It's ridiculous. Zeni gave you the "option" to form a 500 m guild. Sink or swim with it. The trade off is, small guild = tight comms with well known folks or giant guild = dungeon finder quality peeps with crap comms. The choice is yours. You choose the zerg, deal with it. You're doing it to yourself.

There is no inherently right or wrong answer here, folks. This is a subjective opinion based "feature" that does not exist in this game.

I'm assuming you're in agreement that voice chat w/ 500 members is a circus x 100?

I'm no advocate for spam, vocal or text. Of course with proper discipline, either can work. It's not impossible.

Please oh great master, teach us how to instill discipline on area/zone.

Better yet, @StaticWax and other opponents of players having the OPTION of text chat, demonstrate your ability to instill discipline on an area voice chat in one of the cities. Use the PS4's Share Button and make a YouTube video of you successfully getting a large group of people to use voice chat in a disciplined and polite manner so that messages can be heard, comprehended, and acted upon suitably. Please post the video so that we can see how you manage to do this, since the voice chat is working so splendidly!

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

Uh... yea... the discipline I was referring to was in guild chat & it's organization. Reading comp & context ftw...

But thank you for trying to participate. Keep working at it, you'll get it eventually.

for my part i was making a joke

StaticWax · June 2015

Shunravi wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

Orthodoxa wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Try being a GM of 2 guilds in this game, with over 700 people. Unmanageable with single channel voice chat.

Perhaps this game is designed will smaller, more communal guilds in mind. Personally, my preference is to stay away from giant, faceless guilds who will take anybody & play with a select group of folks where everyone knows everybody & enjoys their company.

But, hey - to each their own.

Then why allow up to 500 guild members in any given guild?

Hey, I'm allowed to eat an entire birthday cake in one sitting, doesn't mean I should do it or that it's a good idea.

@StaticWax As you could also rob a bank, run through public naked, or go dancing on top of police cruisers.

Don't side-step the question. If you think this game is designed for "smaller, more communal guilds in mind," then why do they allow up to 500 members per guild while also allowing each player to join 5 guilds?

If you can't figure out a way to coordinate your 500 member guild, then that's on you. Saying it's impossible is a short cut to thinking. Have your 500 m guild if that's what you're into. Use the tools in front of you.

If you ask me, text chat w/500 members is a circus anyway. Might as well just be in global/zone chat. It's ridiculous. Zeni gave you the "option" to form a 500 m guild. Sink or swim with it. The trade off is, small guild = tight comms with well known folks or giant guild = dungeon finder quality peeps with crap comms. The choice is yours. You choose the zerg, deal with it. You're doing it to yourself.

There is no inherently right or wrong answer here, folks. This is a subjective opinion based "feature" that does not exist in this game.

I'm assuming you're in agreement that voice chat w/ 500 members is a circus x 100?

I'm no advocate for spam, vocal or text. Of course with proper discipline, either can work. It's not impossible.

Please oh great master, teach us how to instill discipline on area/zone.

Better yet, @StaticWax and other opponents of players having the OPTION of text chat, demonstrate your ability to instill discipline on an area voice chat in one of the cities. Use the PS4's Share Button and make a YouTube video of you successfully getting a large group of people to use voice chat in a disciplined and polite manner so that messages can be heard, comprehended, and acted upon suitably. Please post the video so that we can see how you manage to do this, since the voice chat is working so splendidly!

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

Uh... yea... the discipline I was referring to was in guild chat & it's organization. Reading comp & context ftw...

But thank you for trying to participate. Keep working at it, you'll get it eventually.

for my part i was making a joke

Don't worry bud, I liked your joke. It made me giggle.

Orthodoxa · June 2015

StaticWax wrote: »

Orthodoxa wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

StaticWax wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Try being a GM of 2 guilds in this game, with over 700 people. Unmanageable with single channel voice chat.

Perhaps this game is designed will smaller, more communal guilds in mind. Personally, my preference is to stay away from giant, faceless guilds who will take anybody & play with a select group of folks where everyone knows everybody & enjoys their company.

But, hey - to each their own.

Then why allow up to 500 guild members in any given guild?

Hey, I'm allowed to eat an entire birthday cake in one sitting, doesn't mean I should do it or that it's a good idea.

@StaticWax As you could also rob a bank, run through public naked, or go dancing on top of police cruisers.

Don't side-step the question. If you think this game is designed for "smaller, more communal guilds in mind," then why do they allow up to 500 members per guild while also allowing each player to join 5 guilds?

If you can't figure out a way to coordinate your 500 member guild, then that's on you. Saying it's impossible is a short cut to thinking. Have your 500 m guild if that's what you're into. Use the tools in front of you.

If you ask me, text chat w/500 members is a circus anyway. Might as well just be in global/zone chat. It's ridiculous. Zeni gave you the "option" to form a 500 m guild. Sink or swim with it. The trade off is, small guild = tight comms with well known folks or giant guild = dungeon finder quality peeps with crap comms. The choice is yours. You choose the zerg, deal with it. You're doing it to yourself.

There is no inherently right or wrong answer here, folks. This is a subjective opinion based "feature" that does not exist in this game.

I'm assuming you're in agreement that voice chat w/ 500 members is a circus x 100?

I'm no advocate for spam, vocal or text. Of course with proper discipline, either can work. It's not impossible.

Please oh great master, teach us how to instill discipline on area/zone.

Better yet, @StaticWax and other opponents of players having the OPTION of text chat, demonstrate your ability to instill discipline on an area voice chat in one of the cities. Use the PS4's Share Button and make a YouTube video of you successfully getting a large group of people to use voice chat in a disciplined and polite manner so that messages can be heard, comprehended, and acted upon suitably. Please post the video so that we can see how you manage to do this, since the voice chat is working so splendidly!

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

Uh... yea... the discipline I was referring to was in guild chat & it's organization. Reading comp & context ftw...

But thank you for trying to participate. Keep working at it, you'll get it eventually.

Oh, so is this now an implicit admission that voice chat is not an effective means of communication in the open world? I comprehend just fine, you have yet to demonstrate how this magical discipline is going to occur where only voice chat exists as a means of communication. Is the guild MOTD supposed to provide enough info for this magical 'discipline' that you speak of? How are the console players to find guilds that are compatible with them ingame? If you state that they should look here at these forums, that is then another tacit admission that text communication is vital for that level of detail.

So far, your side of the debate has literally been reduced to stating that you do not want text chat available as an option because you fear that it will be the popular choice and fewer people will be on the voice channels to be spammed with whatever noise pollution you folks enjoy creating.

Would you be in favor of these forums being taken down and replaced with a voice chat room? If not, why?

heartburnkid · June 2015

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Daishin15 wrote: »

I'm sorry but text chat box is one of the most annoying things on Neverwinter please don't bring that crap to ESO. For you all that cant find friends or people to play with try joining an active guild there are at least 20 pages on the NA Xbox forums alone with some threads dedicated to just making friends. Drop your GT on a thread and watch them come to you. Seriously though I encouraged all my guildies to participate in guild chat and I haven't gotten one negative complaint. We enjoy the no hassle communication while doing any and everything. ZoS is working with silver and turning it into gold. Adding text chat is just a down grade.

Try being a GM of 2 guilds in this game, with over 700 people. Unmanageable with single channel voice chat.

Perhaps this game is designed will smaller, more communal guilds in mind. Personally, my preference is to stay away from giant, faceless guilds who will take anybody & play with a select group of folks where everyone knows everybody & enjoys their company.

But, hey - to each their own.

Then why allow up to 500 guild members in any given guild?

Hey, I'm allowed to eat an entire birthday cake in one sitting, doesn't mean I should do it or that it's a good idea.

@StaticWax As you could also rob a bank, run through public naked, or go dancing on top of police cruisers.

Don't side-step the question. If you think this game is designed for "smaller, more communal guilds in mind," then why do they allow up to 500 members per guild while also allowing each player to join 5 guilds?

If you can't figure out a way to coordinate your 500 member guild, then that's on you. Saying it's impossible is a short cut to thinking. Have your 500 m guild if that's what you're into. Use the tools in front of you.

If you ask me, text chat w/500 members is a circus anyway. Might as well just be in global/zone chat. It's ridiculous. Zeni gave you the "option" to form a 500 m guild. Sink or swim with it. The trade off is, small guild = tight comms with well known folks or giant guild = dungeon finder quality peeps with crap comms. The choice is yours. You choose the zerg, deal with it. You're doing it to yourself.

There is no inherently right or wrong answer here, folks. This is a subjective opinion based "feature" that does not exist in this game.

I'm assuming you're in agreement that voice chat w/ 500 members is a circus x 100?

I'm no advocate for spam, vocal or text. Of course with proper discipline, either can work. It's not impossible.

Please oh great master, teach us how to instill discipline on area/zone.

Better yet, @StaticWax and other opponents of players having the OPTION of text chat, demonstrate your ability to instill discipline on an area voice chat in one of the cities. Use the PS4's Share Button and make a YouTube video of you successfully getting a large group of people to use voice chat in a disciplined and polite manner so that messages can be heard, comprehended, and acted upon suitably. Please post the video so that we can see how you manage to do this, since the voice chat is working so splendidly!

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

Uh... yea... the discipline I was referring to was in guild chat & it's organization. Reading comp & context ftw...

But thank you for trying to participate. Keep working at it, you'll get it eventually.

Oh, so is this now an implicit admission that voice chat is not an effective means of communication in the open world? I comprehend just fine, you have yet to demonstrate how this magical discipline is going to occur where only voice chat exists as a means of communication. Is the guild MOTD supposed to provide enough info for this magical 'discipline' that you speak of? How are the console players to find guilds that are compatible with them ingame? If you state that they should look here at these forums, that is then another tacit admission that text communication is vital for that level of detail.

So far, your side of the debate has literally been reduced to stating that you do not want text chat available as an option because you fear that it will be the popular choice and fewer people will be on the voice channels to be spammed with whatever noise pollution you folks enjoy creating.

Would you be in favor of these forums being taken down and replaced with a voice chat room? If not, why?

Lol, got em.

DeanWinchester88 · June 2015

So still no reply from Zenimax? At least tell us if you're going to add text chat, because honestly, I'm ready to move on from this game. This feels like a single player game, I thought I was buying an MMO.

Junglejim82 · June 2015

DeanWinchester88 wrote: »

So still no reply from Zenimax? At least tell us if you're going to add text chat, because honestly, I'm ready to move on from this game. This feels like a single player game, I thought I was buying an MMO.

Me too without it it's not an mmo . Doesn't feel like one in the slightest. I want to love it but I know what lies in wait in mmo endgame and it needs chat channels to facilitate it. I don't like speaking like that but when I seen eso on PC then seen what was cut from console version I was almost offended. Chat and combat logs/numbers are essential parts of my mmo experiences