AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

The display of tactics in this video make me want to kill myself.

Wow, Mr.Lag, The True King of DC's Ice Comet Blob and The Bug Scroll Thief himself. All hail Abraxus!


Here is one more fancy video for you as soon as it's suddenly so popular.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQUqW7dnbTs

R3DTHR3AT wrote: »

It is sad that fans of PvP apparently realized that asking ZOS to fix lags in Cyro is useless and now they began to search for offenders among other players.

No, what is sad is people like you coming onto the forums and trying to defend the behaviour that causes this lag.

Aha, here is one more interesting thing for consideration. Some of our PvP players are ready for duel with anyone from this thread. It's fair and can't make any lags you are so aware of.

ulrik.igerupb16_ESO wrote: »

How can anyone enjoy playing with all that add-on stuff all over the display, hiding half the view? Well, as long as you all had fun doing this event I guess it's fine.

It's easy to explain. As a raid leader in trials I need all this information for my PvE raids.

Thanks for watching and your comment.

Fecius wrote: »

Aha, here is one more interesting thing for consideration. Some of our PvP players are ready for duel with anyone from this thread. It's fair and can't make any lags you are so aware of.

Tell to those "PvP players" to /w me (@Erondill ig) if they want a duel.

Erondil wrote: »

Fecius wrote: »

Aha, here is one more interesting thing for consideration. Some of our PvP players are ready for duel with anyone from this thread. It's fair and can't make any lags you are so aware of.

Tell to those "PvP players" to /w me (@Erondill ig) if they want a duel.

Job's done! I may take a "camera" if you don't mind and make a montage of a nice Duel video from the side, since I'm not PvPer myself but it's somthing that can be interesting for crowd. Well, I even don't mind trying myself, why not.

Fecius wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Fecius wrote: »

Aha, here is one more interesting thing for consideration. Some of our PvP players are ready for duel with anyone from this thread. It's fair and can't make any lags you are so aware of.

Tell to those "PvP players" to /w me (@Erondill ig) if they want a duel.

Job's done! I may take a "camera" if you don't mind and make a montage of a nice Duel video from the side, since I'm not PvPer myself but it's somthing that can be interesting for crowd. Well, I even don't mind trying myself, why not.

I can record too. I just logged on btw

All i want is a freaking 4v4 arena with NO LAG.

Garion wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Buy game advertised for its large scale PvP.
Post videos of small scale newbie slaughter.
Whine at people posting videos of actual large scale PvP.
Profit???

If this is aimed at [members of] Banana Squad, and I assume it is, I would like to point out that what we do often is large scale PvP. We form a group of 8 - 12 and we go up against 40 - 50 (often more) opposing players. That is large scale. Not all of those we fight are newbies. We regularly fight against seasoned PvPers. You, for instance, have appeared in my combat log often enough when we have been fighting huge numbers on TB... And you aren't exactly a newbie.

The video is not large scale PvP and is not what was envisioned by any of us when we bought the game, nor Zenimax when they developed it. The only way any of us will profit out of this "whining" is ZOS seeing how the majority of PvPers feel and making changes for the better. Everyone will profit from that, and I am happy to say that this is worth "whining" about.

Okay, so let me get this straight, you can attack 50 people with your 12, but as soon as my 24-man fights 100 people it's an issue? The ratio logic is killing me right now.

Also, 12 versus 50 is 62 people spamming skills.
24 versus 24 is a total of 48.

Ever step back and actually take a look at the FACTS before spewing garbage to the public for criticism?

Observant wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Buy game advertised for its large scale PvP.
Post videos of small scale newbie slaughter.
Whine at people posting videos of actual large scale PvP.
Profit???

If this is aimed at [members of] Banana Squad, and I assume it is, I would like to point out that what we do often is large scale PvP. We form a group of 8 - 12 and we go up against 40 - 50 (often more) opposing players. That is large scale. Not all of those we fight are newbies. We regularly fight against seasoned PvPers. You, for instance, have appeared in my combat log often enough when we have been fighting huge numbers on TB... And you aren't exactly a newbie.

The video is not large scale PvP and is not what was envisioned by any of us when we bought the game, nor Zenimax when they developed it. The only way any of us will profit out of this "whining" is ZOS seeing how the majority of PvPers feel and making changes for the better. Everyone will profit from that, and I am happy to say that this is worth "whining" about.

Okay, so let me get this straight, you can attack 50 people with your 12, but as soon as my 24-man fights 100 people it's an issue? The ratio logic is killing me right now.

Also, 12 versus 50 is 62 people spamming skills.
24 versus 24 is a total of 48.

Ever step back and actually take a look at the FACTS before spewing garbage to the public for criticism?

Perhaps you should take a step back and look at the FACTS before spewing garbage...

First and foremost I stated earlier that I don't have a problem with people playing this way if that is how they choose to play, what I do have a problem with is the lag it causes. Yes, this is a problem that ZOS need to address, but given that these people know they are the catalyst for the worst of the lag I have to wonder why they continue to do it. I am very much against people partaking in game play that lags the server and thus destroys the fun for everybody else. When I run in a 12 man group (and more often than not, we are significantly less) our game play does not lag the server. Why? Because first and foremost we don't all stack on the crown as one blob - we will be quite spread out, often with a couple of our group completely detached from the group ensuring people aren't getting resurrected in another area etc etc. Secondly, we don't lag out because we aren't all stood in one spot spamming 1 or 2 skills mindlessly while we fight a group who is doing the same thing (i.e. in the video). We don't have ~5 members of our group spamming impulse, we don't have ~5 members of our group spamming steel tornado, or healing springs, or caltrops, or meteor... we don't have the numbers for it.Further, if we are somewhere where a lot of pugs turn up, we leave and go somewhere else.

Compare this to your typical 24 man raid. They have double the numbers spamming double the skills. Some of the trains have preset skills that must be used, so you have 12+ all spamming the same thing over and over. We have none of these requirements. The 24 man raid MUST stack on the crown at all times. While we stay close together for healing, we don't blob in one spot and we also stray as and when necessary to"clean up" the area we have been fighting in as soon as it is feasible to do so - in a 24 man raid it is shocking to see one person stray from the blob, and if he does he tends to die pretty quickly. When pugs turn up? Well the more the merrier from a raid's perspective. Not so from ours.

The dynamic of a group <12 is considerably different. Nonetheless, like I said, if a 24 man raid wants to play like we do then fine. If you really need double the players, fine. The point is however that they don't play like we do, they blob up, spam the same skills and if they meet another group (as in the video, which is what this discussion is about...) then they stand in each other spamming skills while the ping rises incrementally.

I don't expect you to actually see the difference. Clearly you enjoy running in lag trains. No doubt you're another person that struggles to make AP any other way. The point remains however, and anyone that actually knows us (whether they choose to criticise us or not) will know that our style of play couldn't be further from the shite show in the video at the start of this thread ;-).

Observant wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Buy game advertised for its large scale PvP.
Post videos of small scale newbie slaughter.
Whine at people posting videos of actual large scale PvP.
Profit???

If this is aimed at [members of] Banana Squad, and I assume it is, I would like to point out that what we do often is large scale PvP. We form a group of 8 - 12 and we go up against 40 - 50 (often more) opposing players. That is large scale. Not all of those we fight are newbies. We regularly fight against seasoned PvPers. You, for instance, have appeared in my combat log often enough when we have been fighting huge numbers on TB... And you aren't exactly a newbie.

The video is not large scale PvP and is not what was envisioned by any of us when we bought the game, nor Zenimax when they developed it. The only way any of us will profit out of this "whining" is ZOS seeing how the majority of PvPers feel and making changes for the better. Everyone will profit from that, and I am happy to say that this is worth "whining" about.

Okay, so let me get this straight, you can attack 50 people with your 12, but as soon as my 24-man fights 100 people it's an issue? The ratio logic is killing me right now.

Also, 12 versus 50 is 62 people spamming skills.
24 versus 24 is a total of 48.

Ever step back and actually take a look at the FACTS before spewing garbage to the public for criticism?

Is that really so hard to comprehend...

Problem is not to fight with those numbers but that the playstyle (stacking up with 20+ players and spamming 1-3 buttons) is very boring for many players.
But it's the most effective by a large margin so your chances aren't exactly great when going against such a zergball with equal skill and numbers unless you play basically the same way.
Aaaaand it's pretty obvious that it causes more lag than any other playstyle, ruining the fun in PvP even if players already organize themselves in some corner of the map for fights they can have fun with.

PS:
I am sure the mentioned 12 man group would have more fun fighting an equally skilled 12 man group than a 50 man zergball even if they'd be able to wipe the latter.

I made some appropriate changes to the video above:
http://youtubedoubler.com/fITm

Just mute the one on the left.

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Fecius wrote: »

Aha, here is one more interesting thing for consideration. Some of our PvP players are ready for duel with anyone from this thread. It's fair and can't make any lags you are so aware of.

Can I come and fight too?

You know, we started to ask ppl and found out, that many of them really want to participate in this kind of events. So we desided to make one on friday there other week. As soon as we get more information I will post the announsment in this thread.

So, if Bananas will agree, we can make some 12 vs 12 GvG and some duel time in one event.

Observant wrote: »

The Spin Doctoring in this thread is unbelievable.

Or perhaps you just got proved wrong.