timidobserver wrote: »

Someone is going to be typing L2P into zone 30 seconds after the game launches.

Don't need to worry about that - no text chat!


More seriously though - I think that it depends on what you get out of these games. I've spent roughly 100 hours playing the non-vet and am almost at level 50. That's at a pace where I am playing the game to enjoy everything in the ebonheart pact.

This was mostly solo. Which makes the cost of the game worth it already based on single player game prices. (Not to mention I subbed for eight months). For this aspect of the game, there is NO DISADVANTAGE to being a new player at any time.

For PVP and Trading... Well... trade is not affected by champion points - so when you reach max vet rank, it should be just the same as anyone else at max level.

For PVP... just think of those better than you as tough bosses?

PoseidonEvil wrote: »

lol the game isnt even out for console yet and already there are people complaining lololololololol...

SHAKE.MY.HEAD.

Yeah its insane

pmitchell126b16_ESO wrote: »

Hello as a new person coming to ESO for PS4 will there be servers for only fresh starters and not people getting transfered in with there veteran rank 10 characters from pc?

Or will we new players have to be bullied by these transfer characters and them screw up the market.

thanks

Hello new console players, welcome to being a year behind PC transfers...have fun in PvP, just keep it you will get Vigor and caltrops too in 8 months...el oh el.....

Economy is already screwed before it even launches. That's insane.

Allowing copied gold was the worst part of all. Gold farmers just transferring millions to an entire new market to be available at launch? What a joke. Mmos launches are the best part, the being firsts, for crafting, pve and pvp -- all that already gone.

If I had known they had allowed transfers, and I was a pc player for almost a year from launch, I would never have bothered preordering for ps4, and sony won't allow refunds. So I basically payed another $71 to start the same game I stopped playing for PC since the fresh start was the only thing I was looking forward to.

Thymos wrote: »

Then maybe they should make a non-champion campaign. Ensure that it is only people that have yet to reach level 50 on any character. :P

ZOS doenst know how

Psychobunni wrote: »

@Heromofo and @StaticWax or anyone with comments of the like

Do you really thing that responding to a valid complaint ...

I find the complaint to be invalid.

Only thing I agree with is the gold BS they allowed. Remember back in one thread a dude said he is having his guild mates give him all the gold in guild so when he transferred he had it all. Then after the 1st he gave them the gold back. Talk about exploit, wonder how many did this.

If a player starts anew & plays in one of the faction areas until they have to move on because they are maxed out at that level, when they moves in to the next area (area 2) does that make them a bully or someone who is automatically to be feared just because they are a higher level than someone that just started in that area (area 2)?

I played on PC right from the start but I was waiting till console release. I was saddened to learn that the console release was postponed but I didn't renew my sub (that's another story, another thread).

So I am out of the loop, but is it not the case that ZOS designed this game so that VRs and players level 1-49 shall never meet unless they choose to do so in PvP in which case the lower level players are levelled up to level 50?

I am looking forward to playing on console & I am not at all put out by pre-conceived notions based on nothing other than suppositions of a game that is not playable till June 9 (on console) that I am some newbie that is to be ganked often or to be pitied because he just doesn't know what lies ahead for him.

I'll play ESOTU on console by choice & I am not troubled by negative posts predicting doom & gloom for newbies.

ESOTU is a game and intended for fun for us and business for ZOS. Let's not lose sight of that ever and stay cool.

I play on the PC and will not be playing on console. That said, I think ZOS have made a number of mistakes with the console launch that might hurt the game.

Firstly, the decision to allow character transfer is dubious. A new server shouldn't (IMHO) be populated by pre-existing characters. It's an opportunity to start from scratch, and from a new player's perspective, it's basic justice that they won't have 0-day opponents that have over a year's head start. I understand why ZOS are doing it - people have invested time on the PC version when what they really wanted was to play on console, which ZOS promised time and time again for shortly after launch on the PC (ZOS made it a lot worse by delaying console launch over a year after initial launch). These players might abandon the game altogether if their investment had been for nothing, and ZOS are trying to avoid that, but it doesn't make it a good decision.

There are numerous ways in which character transfer will create huge imbalance. It's not just character level - for all people have been fighting over level grinding, you can max out a character in a few weeks at most. It's mostly champion points (even the most furious grinder on console will have their plate full trying to catch up to the 70 CP from conversion plus all the CP earned since); the crafting researches (again, it will take months for new players to catch up to something transferred characters will have from day 1), which are particularly impacting in PvP where Nirnhoned is all but mandatory; the riding training (up to 6 months to catch up to players with maxed out riding skills), again with particular impact in PvP; etc.

Secondly, the way the transfer was done is VERY dubious. Many people announced their intention to borrow gold (and possibly other items) by the cut-off date for the transfer, in what I consider to be a massive duplication exploit. Why call it duplication? Because while on the PC servers for each borrower there are lenders they must answer to, and the borrowing deprives the lender of the use of the gold/items borrowed, on console said borrowers won't owe anybody. It's just gold and items created out of thin air, not having been obtained by valid ways - looting/farming or purchasing/trading. To my knowledge, ZOS never condemned this, and by implication I assume they see nothing wrong with it and will allow it.

I'd wager the first few weeks of consoles will see transfer players milk as much as possible from new players by having a monopoly of crafting skills and materials (especially gold improvement materials and glyphs, as well as Nirncrux), rare motifs, rare equipment in high demand, etc.

I'm very skeptical that the game will come away unscathed by this. But who knows, maybe I'll be proved wrong.

Let the noobstomping commence, it will be hilarious

daemonios wrote: »

I play on the PC and will not be playing on console. That said, I think ZOS have made a number of mistakes with the console launch that might hurt the game.

Firstly, the decision to allow character transfer is dubious. A new server shouldn't (IMHO) be populated by pre-existing characters. It's an opportunity to start from scratch, and from a new player's perspective, it's basic justice that they won't have 0-day opponents that have over a year's head start. I understand why ZOS are doing it - people have invested time on the PC version when what they really wanted was to play on console, which ZOS promised time and time again for shortly after launch on the PC (ZOS made it a lot worse by delaying console launch over a year after initial launch). These players might abandon the game altogether if their investment had been for nothing, and ZOS are trying to avoid that, but it doesn't make it a good decision.

There are numerous ways in which character transfer will create huge imbalance. It's not just character level - for all people have been fighting over level grinding, you can max out a character in a few weeks at most. It's mostly champion points (even the most furious grinder on console will have their plate full trying to catch up to the 70 CP from conversion plus all the CP earned since); the crafting researches (again, it will take months for new players to catch up to something transferred characters will have from day 1), which are particularly impacting in PvP where Nirnhoned is all but mandatory; the riding training (up to 6 months to catch up to players with maxed out riding skills), again with particular impact in PvP; etc.

Secondly, the way the transfer was done is VERY dubious. Many people announced their intention to borrow gold (and possibly other items) by the cut-off date for the transfer, in what I consider to be a massive duplication exploit. Why call it duplication? Because while on the PC servers for each borrower there are lenders they must answer to, and the borrowing deprives the lender of the use of the gold/items borrowed, on console said borrowers won't owe anybody. It's just gold and items created out of thin air, not having been obtained by valid ways - looting/farming or purchasing/trading. To my knowledge, ZOS never condemned this, and by implication I assume they see nothing wrong with it and will allow it.

I'd wager the first few weeks of consoles will see transfer players milk as much as possible from new players by having a monopoly of crafting skills and materials (especially gold improvement materials and glyphs, as well as Nirncrux), rare motifs, rare equipment in high demand, etc.

I'm very skeptical that the game will come away unscathed by this. But who knows, maybe I'll be proved wrong.

This. Plus the gold farmers that took advantage means pouring even more millions into a brand new economy.

You can do much better as a battle leveled non vet than you can as a low VR character. Research how battle leveling works and you will see. While low VR level characters can contribute they are usually easily killed by VR14's unless the low VR character is pretty experienced.

Z completely ruined console ESO and screwed over every new console player big time - before it even launched.
Because some clueless suit got greedy and wanted to milk the cash from potential console players a year early... which let to this whole character transfer copy fiasco.
Well, that's an achievement, too, I guess... but most certainly not one to be proud of.

Who is not going to play the game on console because people have characters transferred over? Hell, even if you turned around and said thanks PC players for spending all your time in the game and maxing your chars but now start again. They will still have an advantage - experience. Further more, some people will hit VR14 in around a week, for others it will take months.

There is always an advantage for someone over someone else. Just chill out and enjoy the game.

Atirez wrote: »

Who is not going to play the game on console because people have characters transferred over? Hell, even if you turned around and said thanks PC players for spending all your time in the game and maxing your chars but now start again. They will still have an advantage - experience. Further more, some people will hit VR14 in around a week, for others it will take months.

There is always an advantage for someone over someone else. Just chill out and enjoy the game.

I'm not talking about giving the whole game a pass just because of transferred characters. But if I were about to start on consoles, I'd feel a bit peeved with that decision and especially the exploitation of character transfers going on. And these feeling tend to pile up... After some time players will begin not to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt, just like it happened on the PC version.