Xsorus wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Sorcs are the best class right now, followed very closely by NBs, and the only thing that currently lets that happen is the fact that nirnhoned exists..if Nirnhoned didn't exist...Sorcs would flat out be the best class with no one near it.

What level is your Sorc now? I'm still waiting for someone who actually plays a V14 sorc to make comments like this.

So you'll only accept Sorcs are the best right now if another Sorcs tells you they're the best?

lol...

There has been an endless stream of people who scream and whine on the forums about sorc, such as yourself, who declares they will roll a sorc and show everyone how OP it is and they never do. Grass is greener syndrome.

By endless streams you mean everyone not playing a Sorc right now lol

Xsorus wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Sorcs are the best class right now, followed very closely by NBs, and the only thing that currently lets that happen is the fact that nirnhoned exists..if Nirnhoned didn't exist...Sorcs would flat out be the best class with no one near it.

What level is your Sorc now? I'm still waiting for someone who actually plays a V14 sorc to make comments like this.

So you'll only accept Sorcs are the best right now if another Sorcs tells you they're the best?

lol...

There has been an endless stream of people who scream and whine on the forums about sorc, such as yourself, who declares they will roll a sorc and show everyone how OP it is and they never do. Grass is greener syndrome.

By endless streams you mean everyone not playing a Sorc right now lol

Dude you can dodge most sorc damage, and if I recall you're a DK, so you can reflect most sorc damage. Time to be honest with everyone and let everyone know you have no idea how a sorc is killing you. Block the curse damage? It takes little to no stam from you and the curse hits you like a wet noodle.

Are we assuming i'm a Stamina DK or a Magicka DK?..because you just listed two things that are sorta of on the opposite ends of the spectrum. If i'm a Magicka DK, i'm not dodging squat... I'll be using Reflect, which really only works against Crystal Shards and Overload. Things like Daedric Mines/Curse ect ect will still hit me..so i'm forced to Block... in which it'll basically be the DK who runs out of Resources first. If its a Stamina DK, they don't be able to use reflect a lot, So you'll be relying on Dodge...and in case of DK they don't have the stamina recovery a Nightblade has...They also don't have bloody surprise attack either..They pretty much have to rely on Wrecking Blow...and if you're getting hit over and over again by Wrecking Blow as a Sorc that's on you. You shouldn't be dying to a Stamina DK at all on a Sorc....I can partially understand the Magicka one taking a while to kill..But a Stamina one..no...

Xsorus wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Sorcs are the best class right now, followed very closely by NBs, and the only thing that currently lets that happen is the fact that nirnhoned exists..if Nirnhoned didn't exist...Sorcs would flat out be the best class with no one near it.

What level is your Sorc now? I'm still waiting for someone who actually plays a V14 sorc to make comments like this.

So you'll only accept Sorcs are the best right now if another Sorcs tells you they're the best?

lol...

There has been an endless stream of people who scream and whine on the forums about sorc, such as yourself, who declares they will roll a sorc and show everyone how OP it is and they never do. Grass is greener syndrome.

By endless streams you mean everyone not playing a Sorc right now lol

Dude you can dodge most sorc damage, and if I recall you're a DK, so you can reflect most sorc damage. Time to be honest with everyone and let everyone know you have no idea how a sorc is killing you. Block the curse damage? It takes little to no stam from you and the curse hits you like a wet noodle.

Are we assuming i'm a Stamina DK or a Magicka DK?..because you just listed two things that are sorta of on the opposite ends of the spectrum. If i'm a Magicka DK, i'm not dodging squat... I'll be using Reflect, which really only works against Crystal Shards and Overload. Things like Daedric Mines/Curse ect ect will still hit me..so i'm forced to Block... in which it'll basically be the DK who runs out of Resources first. If its a Stamina DK, they don't be able to use reflect a lot, So you'll be relying on Dodge...and in case of DK they don't have the stamina recovery a Nightblade has...They also don't have bloody surprise attack either..They pretty much have to rely on Wrecking Blow...and if you're getting hit over and over again by Wrecking Blow as a Sorc that's on you. You shouldn't be dying to a Stamina DK at all on a Sorc....I can partially understand the Magicka one taking a while to kill..But a Stamina one..no...

Best class to kill a sorc is a nb imho. NB is a bit harder to play with effectively but a good nb vs a good sorc. My money is on the NB.

I did say GOOD sorc. An average or even bad sorc. Those are killable by anyone. A magicka DK with good resource management skills is unkillable in 1v1 by a sorc tho. Reflect + selective blocking. I dont think the magicka DK will be able to kill the sorc tho. Maybe prox det + ferrocious leap + flame lash + molten armaments (heavy attack). Not sure if that might work. Doubt it tho. You have to push through hardened ward + possibly dampen in the timr it takes the sorc to cc break and streak off or refresh wards.

Just my two cents

I agree best class to kill a sorc is a nightblade, they're almost on par with them right now, after they nerf nirnhoned I don't know, they will probably nerf sorcs at same time so it might even out. As for magickal dk vs sorc, it'll be a long fight depending on the setup but a sorc should win. The dk will need massive resources though to keep up... Prox det also only really works at the start of the fight, you'll get your ass stunned or interrupted if ya try any other time. Main issue will be shields, flame lash delves low and if they run dampen you'll never do enough damage to get past both shields meaning they'll freely put you on the defensive constantly.

Xsorus wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Sorcs are the best class right now, followed very closely by NBs, and the only thing that currently lets that happen is the fact that nirnhoned exists..if Nirnhoned didn't exist...Sorcs would flat out be the best class with no one near it.

What level is your Sorc now? I'm still waiting for someone who actually plays a V14 sorc to make comments like this.

So you'll only accept Sorcs are the best right now if another Sorcs tells you they're the best?

lol...

There has been an endless stream of people who scream and whine on the forums about sorc, such as yourself, who declares they will roll a sorc and show everyone how OP it is and they never do. Grass is greener syndrome.

By endless streams you mean everyone not playing a Sorc right now lol

Dude you can dodge most sorc damage, and if I recall you're a DK, so you can reflect most sorc damage. Time to be honest with everyone and let everyone know you have no idea how a sorc is killing you. Block the curse damage? It takes little to no stam from you and the curse hits you like a wet noodle.

Are we assuming i'm a Stamina DK or a Magicka DK?..because you just listed two things that are sorta of on the opposite ends of the spectrum. If i'm a Magicka DK, i'm not dodging squat... I'll be using Reflect, which really only works against Crystal Shards and Overload. Things like Daedric Mines/Curse ect ect will still hit me..so i'm forced to Block... in which it'll basically be the DK who runs out of Resources first. If its a Stamina DK, they don't be able to use reflect a lot, So you'll be relying on Dodge...and in case of DK they don't have the stamina recovery a Nightblade has...They also don't have bloody surprise attack either..They pretty much have to rely on Wrecking Blow...and if you're getting hit over and over again by Wrecking Blow as a Sorc that's on you. You shouldn't be dying to a Stamina DK at all on a Sorc....I can partially understand the Magicka one taking a while to kill..But a Stamina one..no...

Best class to kill a sorc is a nb imho. NB is a bit harder to play with effectively but a good nb vs a good sorc. My money is on the NB.

I did say GOOD sorc. An average or even bad sorc. Those are killable by anyone. A magicka DK with good resource management skills is unkillable in 1v1 by a sorc tho. Reflect + selective blocking. I dont think the magicka DK will be able to kill the sorc tho. Maybe prox det + ferrocious leap + flame lash + molten armaments (heavy attack). Not sure if that might work. Doubt it tho. You have to push through hardened ward + possibly dampen in the timr it takes the sorc to cc break and streak off or refresh wards.

Just my two cents

I agree best class to kill a sorc is a nightblade, they're almost on par with them right now, after they nerf nirnhoned I don't know, they will probably nerf sorcs at same time so it might even out. As for magickal dk vs sorc, it'll be a long fight depending on the setup but a sorc should win. The dk will need massive resources though to keep up... Prox det also only really works at the start of the fight, you'll get your ass stunned or interrupted if ya try any other time. Main issue will be shields, flame lash delves low and if they run dampen you'll never do enough damage to get past both shields meaning they'll freely put you on the defensive constantly.

Agreed. One addendum: I use proxy det in the middle of 1v1 fights all the time. Well timed stun follwed by immediate casting usually works. Takes timing tho and a bit of luck (or lack of bad luck)

Seems like if you're able to cast proxy det while they're stunned, you could probably just pop them with another attack and do about the same damage.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

It's an interesting question ad i find Dk and sorcs the hardest.Nbs ambush me and will kill me in 2 but i will do the same to them. Soecs can zoom aroud the place without a care i n the world.


Many people dont seem to think about all the time an nb has to stay in stealth.

Armitas wrote: »

How are DK's at 10%, is it stam or magicka DKs?

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

How does one dodge roll while stunned? No *** you can just roll it, but your not going to have 100% uptime on it if a sorc is any good at all. Anything else you want to point out captain obvious?

Sure. I was responding to your (bolded) complaint about overload. If you're now complaining about the 2-second knock down from crystal frags, be aware to block, reflect, break free, and (yes) dodge roll to mitigate that, not to mention a sorc's general effectiveness.

I complained about crystal frags? No sorry friend if im rolling crystal doesn't hit, its streak that hits through roll to stun me. CC break is too slow your gonna take at least one hit and with no class heals that are worth a damn that is a death sentence. Roll is so *** useless against an experienced opponent im just switching to a more tanky build. With how popular roll spam builds are now almost everyone carrys a tool to counter it and its just not worth doing. People please remember if a nb is rolling its cause it cant take any damage or its ***. One soul assault, a few radiants, or any other un rollable attack royally screws us over.

Why do you keep posting this false information? You seem awfully proud to display your skill level deficiencies in a thread that shows that most people feel NB is the most powerful class.

OK correct me then? What is not true? NO really go ahead i want to make you eat those words. Radiant does IN FACT hit rollers. Soul assault does in fact hit rollers. CC break does in fact take long enough to let someone hit you. I mean if thats not true in your experience, maybe, just maybe your the one lacking skill? I love some people.... cant think of anything to say worth reading-->insult.

If you're a nightblade you can instantly interrupt both channels with cloak. What's there to complain about?

Edit: 1000th comment. Woot!

Yeah........so what your saying is radiant can hit rollers and I am right? Im not the one complaining, im telling people what to do if they face a roll spammer. If I teach enough of these "nb op plz nerf" people how to counter the current nb build everyone uses maybe they will change their mind. Want to know what to do once we cloak out of radiant or soul assault? Go defensive because we will either attack shortly after or we will just *** off. If we run away then guess what? You won because your holding your ground and we are forced to retreat. Depending on your setup their is even ways to just continue attacking us after we cloak away. Lots of things that dark cloak doesn't remove like a sorcs curse or magicka det. Pulls us right out of stealth so you can continue to beat on us and since we are mostly stam builds we wont get to cloak much more then 4 times. Especially if the fight has been going on a while and we are already low on magicka.

Now I honestly wish a sorc could give me a step by step like that on how to beat them, but i think we all know they cant. They have tried, but they assume we will have our ultimate and a sneak attack with 4k wp to burst their shield. Some nbs do play with that much weapon power and honestly even I find that stupid(more of a zenimax problem then a class problem), but you cant say nb is op just because its the only thing that can possibly solo your shields long enough to get some health damage.

You can't give step by step instructions for bad players of *any* class to beat good players of another class.

An equally skilled Stamina nightblade has a slight advantage over a magicka sorc right now with the current meta.

I like to think of myself as an average nb, although I have been in the top ten before. I use these techniques to beat the #1 and #2 ranked nbs on my campaign with extreme effectiveness. Now these 2 have more points then our emperor does without any of the buffs he receives, so no, they aren't just bad. I find it amusing how much people complain about those two in zone chat, but I am just raking in free ap anytime I run into them. Its because i know how they are set up, I know how puny their health bars are, I know how much they rely on hit and run, and I dont give them any chance to get away after they fail a sneak attack. This should be way easier to do on a sorc too since you can keep up with them better, you can more easly stun them out of their roll, you got moves that damage through roll, and surviving a sneak attack is practically what sorcs are built for!

I can't argue with your OPINION though that nightblades have an edge on sorcs if you won't give any reasons why. Better burst out of stealth is the one thing we got, but if you survive that its pretty much gg. Nbs built for burst are not open combat fighters and if you can just learn to counter the roll spam you got em. Btw I have seen classes other then nb roll spamming so its a pretty stupid argument when talking about class balance. Same goes for full nirn honed armor, that is not nb exclusive. So if you choose to defend your opinion don't bother bringing those points up. Thats more of a stamina vs magicka debate.

Gank NBs are almost always bad. I killed and was killed by the two NBs you're talking about if those are the two you're talking about. They don't have anything more than their openers and spamming dodge roll. A NB has a much easier to kill a dodge roller than a Sorc due to Concealed weapon + Fear.

We only have to viable spells two hit a dodge roller and none of them are spammable. Velocious curse by itself wont kill anyone and it's easy to anticipate and counter. Streak is effective at CCing a dodge roller but it's damage is negligible. The real problem both of these abilities are countered by Nirnhoned. Dodge roll + Nirnhoned gives you an insane amount of spell resist, and any decent NB can outheal the damage done to them while rolling if it is only coming from 1 person.

So with that said, how can the sorc win? I've fought good sorcs on my NB so far and just chain crit-charge/fear spam them and they die every time. I can animation cancel my crit charge with a dodge roll, get off my fear and wrecking blow my target before he can break out of the fear. They get away sometimes, but usually they die, and I've not been anywhere close to being killed by a sorc on my NB yet. There is a trick I discovered to almost never get stunned by Bolt Escape from a fleeing sorc while using Crit charge. The only thing they can do is try to out tank me which is impossible or run me out of stamina which is also impossible.

Right now Stamina is just far more powerful than magicka. Without the presence of Nirnhoned I'd say Magicka Sorc and Stam NB would be roughly even, with it it is no contest.

What lvl is your nb though, based off your signature hes lvl 46? Come on man thats not a good representation on a nb vs sorc battle. Sorcs that lose to crit charge spam are not any better then gank blades. Those gank blades must be doing something right though because im pretty damn sure its what most people are complaining about. I dont use concealed weapon(its a magicka move) and I still have no problem killing them. I wouldn't be so fast to *** on curse and streak either, look I understand nirn is bs and it will get nerfed, but those moves are gnarly against those low hp nbs. How much health do they have on average? Mines got like 20k, thats like a magicka det+curse and you can finish him with a streak. I know magicka det isn't a sorc skill, but if its giving you that much trouble you should try it out. Thats not at all easy to outheal with just rally. Maybe if we got vigor, rally, and a tripot up we can out heal that damage. I cant speak for vigor, but rally is pretty garbage and health potions should be expected.

I can tell you how a sorc can win! First they dont just spam bolt until a crit charge finishes them, second they need to keep there shields up so they never take damage, third they need to be on offense most of the time. Stand in your minefield and just dot us up with curse and magicka det, keep you shields up! Once the nb starts running/rolling and he will, thats when you get in there and finish him with a soul assault. He might have time to cloak out of it and you keep your curse on him to pull him out and it should be cakewalk by that point. You are going to face sorcs that know these methods sooner or later on your nb and its going to be aweful hard to win at that point. Ive seen a sorc once use daedric tomb as an offensive move vs my rolling, you can try that as well, it was pretty extreme how much damage that does. Also I would imagine charging through a daedric tomb would be lethal so keep that in mind to use after a bolt escape if your vs a charge spammer.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

An equally skilled Stamina nightblade has a slight advantage over a magicka sorc right now with the current meta.

Ezareth wrote: »

Right now Stamina is just far more powerful than magicka. Without the presence of Nirnhoned I'd say Magicka Sorc and Stam NB would be roughly even, with it it is no contest.

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Sanct16 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

The groups running the map are Sorcs n DK's. Not NB. NB shines for Gank and move that's about it. Those absolutely WTF owning in any group conflict. Sorcs then DK's.


You dont' see small to large groups of NB farming resources and needing a Zerg to get rid of them. It's Sorcs, supported by DK (which they don't need) and you know it. That is who is ruling PvP right now.

Which skills do Sorcerors have that make them good food group play? I would personally rate them as weakest class for groups while I would put Templars as strongest class for groups. All other classes are optional, but Temper is a must for every group.

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

This thread put the nail in the coffin for DK's, want any more proof that we were nerfed too far??? Read this thread I think I saw... 1 Dragonknight choice in 5 pages lol