this wont change anything...

and it wont happen due to the PvE content and nature of this game as a MMO

12 is a good group size but 4 is too little.

Yeah but what about trials? The group size there is 12.

They have already limited group size. To 24. Deal with it.

This isn't DAoC.

It's like coming in and saying, "This isn't WoW. I don't like it," "This isn't GW2, they did it wrong."

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I've posted about this before. I will paste here what I posted elsewhere. To give some context though, I only think this is worth doing if you make other changes such as introducing a better system for diminishing returns on AP gained in larger groups. Anyway -

Cyrodiil group sizes should be reduced to a maximum of 12. Why? Because this is going to encourage people to move in smaller groups and therefore move around the map to separate objectives. Pug raids for instance will keep recruiting until they are full - by halving the size the pug raids twinned with the forward camp changes I mention above, I strongly believe you will encourage people to spread out more.

In regard to the lag blobs, very obviously they will simply form multiple groups of 12 and run in the same TS however there are benefits to this reduction that might make people think twice about zerg blobbing:

-- Coordination will be marginally more difficult and countering them will become slightly easier as a result.

-- AP gain will be impacted as the AP earned will be reduced either because your group of 12 didn't tag the players your fellow 12 man group hit OR if both groups tag them, AP rate is decreased regardless.

This is a simple change that could have some hugely positive repercussions. If you want people to spread out, this is most definitely a viable way of doing this without drastically altering the actual combat meta game.

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

this wont change anything...

and it wont happen due to the PvE content and nature of this game as a MMO

It will. i am constantly advocating for keep guild groups small. however, I know you can inprove AP/h by making the group bigger and will be glad if we do so, if i'm close to a rank up or just want to make AP for some reason.
Imho the biggest reason is that killign an enemy ion a fullg roups gives about three times as many AP (~120) than solo kill / 24 (~1000/24 ~= 40). The same applis to heal AP.

I know it's not everybody's primary motivation but more than enough people PvP for AP (rank up / leaderboards / etc - the spendable AP... not so much). If you make it so groups of 4, 8 or whatever usually yield more AP than bigger groups, i guarnatee you'll see more smaller groups.

ZOS is already doing this with groups of >2 people and PvE XP gain, btw. The same mechanic could also work fine: If peopel from 2 groups of 8 engage, rewards are basically (except for the amount spilt) like for a group of 16. However, setting the "good" cap to 2 or 4 would also be terrible, imho. You'd just end up hating / avoiding your own faction so they don't add and lower your rewards.

Having the top-AP aweetspot somewhere around 8 or 10 players, would be great tough. Probably with better scaling for larger groups. I find it a bit weird that going from 2 to 3 ruins everything when looking for PvE XP.

Imho a great way would be to leave rewards for 1-8 players as tehy are now, and make it so that 24 players get exactly a thrid of what 8 players get (and not the weird bonus that's in place now). Increasing group size would then still be viable, but no longer an easy way to push AP/h well above 50k without players that even know what they're doing.

Won't change anything imo. Especially since the number 24 is already in the mind sets of so many people

Jauriel wrote: »

So punish people for grouping in an mmo? Yeah, that's smart.

How would you be punished for gripping? With a group you can kill way more players than alone.

sadownik wrote: »

I keep beeing surprised by threads like that. I bought ESO for massive scale PvP. Agree- the name of problems in PvP is legion but i dont think trimming down groups helps - it just gives vr 14 players more occasions to gank - which is fine by them but definetly not for ganked ones.

massive battles and blobbing are 2 different things.

C0pp3rhead wrote: »

They have already limited group size. To 24. Deal with it.

This isn't DAoC.

It's like coming in and saying, "This isn't WoW. I don't like it," "This isn't GW2, they did it wrong."

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Group size has been 24. This is a thread talking about reducing it for the health of pvp. "Deal with it."

Jauriel wrote: »

So punish people for grouping in an mmo? Yeah, that's smart.

there's no need to punish. just tone down the current reward. especially as long as typical group size X causes a problem in
X v X v X in terms of server performance. With current X=24, 72 players in a battle will cause a lagfest.

Always said max group size should be 8.