If you don't like PvP with all that it entails, please don't go to PvP zones. No to safe zones, accept the risk as part of being there.

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

to all community, to all players to care about population here and longevity in pvp

please stop ganking players when they turned quests, they are stuck at turning and cant do anything, defend, nothing. What are you proud of collecting these kills? zen fail to deliver safe zone around quest npcs, so please, tell in your guilds to not do this, punish them for this. Try to watch from time to time your own territory cities and kill these scums. you all not only veterans complain about zerging, so this can be your way to have 1vs1 fight and do right thing in one. spred this, do this. thank you for your time

The truth is that Cyrodiil is an open pvp zone with no specific rules. As much as it is despicable to gank players when they are powerless it is part of the game. Brings an extra dimension to do quests in Cyro compared to pve zones. I don´t think we need specific pve zones in Cyro. That is against the idea of pvp. You can always try coming back and get your revenge.

Where is the damn lol button when you need it?

I like killing people at Quest NPC's it makes me feel all happy inside.

Artemiisia wrote: »

when I turn in quests in cyrodil, I just run through the dialog as fast as possible, being paranoid and keeping my fingers crossed at the same time

Exactly

I love the excitement of talking to the NPCs and hoping someone will jump me so I can unleash hell on them. Or well, in 1.5 I did, but with all the oneshot gank builds nowadays I guess it's way worse

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

hm, its not that big woe for me personaly, i am not a newbie and can handle it. I like starting these "whining" thread, because i am not longterm mmo player and want to observe players opinions. i am especially curious about that its war zone everything is possible, adapt. can you look around? zerging, instakilling and buffservers everywhere, instanced "fair" pvp nowhere. its like arrow to the knee read about warzones.... let this thread about pvp philosophy. sometimes i am thinking about players be so tired and deprived too many years at WOW or DAOC, then they dont see all in its complexicity ...

Gaming psychologist?

I believe when I played SWTOR it had a system that while you were engaged in dialogue with NPC's you were immune to attacks. To my knowledge that system worked fine and could be adapted to work in Cyrodiil as a safe mark.

The abuse side could be players talking to an NPC to become invincible but surely you could block them from NPC dialogues while in combat.

All in theory of course.

I mean no one who is a serious PVP player should feel a loss from killing a player who can't defend themselves, unless that's considered quality PVP these days.

Artemiisia wrote: »

when I turn in quests in cyrodil, I just run through the dialog as fast as possible, being paranoid and keeping my fingers crossed at the same time

I think this nails the problem with the situation. Yes, it's pvp. There is an expectation that you can be targeted anywhere at any time. I get that. Why then are we given quest dialogue that we may want to read in a zone that can have us 1.5 seconds away from death at any time? It's either poor design or a troll on the part of ZoS to give us pages of NPC text that we would be foolish to stop and read.

Quest givers could very easily be inside instanced houses that were tiny "safe zones" if ZoS wanted to go that way. A small tiny break from the war outside while you cash in your quest. Also a good stopping point if you need to afk while in the middle of one of the quest chains in Cyrodiil. Yes, gankers could still hang out by the door and force you to fight to get in, but once you're in, you can read the NPC text safely at your own pace. They could also be made into a teleportation point so that your best way to get out of Cyrodiil isn't always "let something kill me so I can get back to the gate"

Couldn't agree more.

There are two ways to improve oneself, in a game or IRL : one is upping yourself, the other is bringing others down.

There is not much I can do against players who like ganking other players in Cyrodiil PVE quest giver zones, but it says A LOT about how these people are unable to play proper PvP and rely on this only method to actually feel powerful. It also says a lot about the RL person who makes such choices. Some people just feel strong from killing flies, that just shows how weak they really are.

I managed to have this behaviour completely condemned and banned from my guild, and even though I cannot control everyone, at least those who "play" that way must shut up about it and cannot express any "pride". It required a bit of explaining within the guild but it worked and I encourage all of you who are against this practice to try and do the same within your guilds. Believe me, guilds *want* mature civilized members to stay in the guild as opposed to immature Kevins. If you're grouped in Cyro with your guild, express your disagreement with ganking other players in PVE situations and even leave the group when it happens, then your guild leader will start thinking.

I also want to testify that some people actually play smart. I occasionally met some reds and yellows (I'm blue) in Cyrodiil delves and it was extremely fun and RP to "communicate" with what we had (weapon sheashed, emotes... ) to show each other that we were not willing to fight each other, and it worked. Feels great.

I even happened to do a dolmen with a "red" and believe me, it was fun and challenging to fight the mobs without hurting each other. Was fun and psychologically rewarding too.

i do agree about the killing others while turning in quests part. I think people that do that are scum as well, but it is a PvP zone; you have to come prepared to deal with it

Domander wrote: »

lol, pvp at the quest hubs is the most fun of all.

Can you please explain what is "so funny" in this ? 'cause I'd like to understand...

Yakidafi wrote: »

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

i can handle it, i mean handle to be killed in 2 seconds, not survive

thank you turelus, at least one good feedback, its exactly what i mean

of course i dont expect nothing good at cyrodiil, but whats worrying me , that so many veterans with everything is possible, everything is fair, then i dont see any improvement in pvp is possible. in time veterans will gank each other until pvp dies horrible death. can you start new char without cp at thornblade? maybe you will be surprised and change your meaning how different it is from your overgeared veterans world

More fun to fight a "veteran" because more of a fight, imo.

You do not want better gear?

I not quite understand "all possible, all fair" part.

well i am not happy with pvp here, want more. more players play pvp here is important, but it is not gonna happening with these mechanics, behavior, mindsets expressed here. dont you see why so many players play nonvet campaign only?

I don't think there is a need for save spots in Cyrodiil. One of the most satisfying things in PvP is to kill the person that tried to gank me. Many gankers aren't the most skilled players so you can beat them if you prepare a bit. Just activate a hot and put up a shield before talking to an npc or getting a skyshard and go in stealth when entering a house or cave.

Domander wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

lol, pvp at the quest hubs is the most fun of all.

Can you please explain what is "so funny" in this ? 'cause I'd like to understand...

It's a pvp zone, players go there to pvp. I find it funny there is a thread complaining about there being pvp....in a pvp zone.

and saying you're stuck turning in quests is silly, use the E key if it's a problem, will take you less than a second to turn in.

I mean the point of a pvp zone is to expect pvp. I think ganking with numbers is lame, but a thread isn't going to stop that.

and this is exactly why this game need so much instanced pvp. pvp is not about killing others on sight to get some imaginatory "tiny advantage in war", pvp is about challenge others with honor, take pride of hardworking for victory