dont gank at quest NPCs

Sylvyr

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

I think the question should be WHY do you gank in quest areas? They are designed for low levels and anyone who spent couple weeks in this game knows those quests are waste of time and give nothing worthy. Most likely you will find only low level new players in there.
Unless you all play in Blackwater Blade. It is legit in there.

why bother thinking? writing? everybody is happy, forum should be closed

This one wonders if Vincent is suffering from a skooma overdose.

Sylvyr

Vizier wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

....it says A LOT about how these people are unable to play proper PvP.

Proper PvP? What is that? ROFL

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

and this is exactly why this game need so much instanced pvp. pvp is not about killing others on sight to get some imaginatory "tiny advantage in war", pvp is about challenge others with honor, take pride of hardworking for victory

We don't "need" instanced" pvp. More meaningful open world objectives would be great for spreading things around and providing more opportunity for small group or team pvp. AND I couldn't disagree with you more. PvP has nothing to do with honor or honorable combat. I worked hard to build a character that can kill from the shadows and survive should things go wrong or not as planned. I'm patient, don't force my shots and wait for the right moments. I can tell you with no uncertainty I take great pride in killing someone how let's their guard down. As I mentioned before. Bubble and buff up before you turn your quest in or receive it. Don't if you don't want to but there are consequences for lack of vigilance.

I really wish ZoS hadn't removed LOL button...just sayin.

I totally agree. It does take a lot of skill to be a ganker. Different kinds of skills than your toe to toe "I can fight all day" DK build. It takes observation, stealth, situational awareness, LOTS of patience, good timing, and knowledge. My nightblade sees low level targets as practice, and opportune targets as the right situation to strike. Don't judge because your have a different style with different skills. One might argue tanky builds are just no skill spammers but I wouldn't. Just different skills. People need to get over it.

VincentBlanquin

Sylvyr wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

I have nothing further to offer. Obviously OP is just a big crybaby that wants to argue down every idea people post to help him with his dilemma.

Brb, getting on the ganker, heading to quest NPCs, just because.

I am rapidly heading to the point where I actually want to track him down in PvP and gank him now for not listening to anyone at all.

Me too.

of course, noone should interfere your veteran greatness you already achieved and well deserved

Makkir

When in Cyrodiil I like to apply a basic lesson my mother used to tell me when I was like 6 years old,

"Look both ways before you cross the road."

Look both ways before you turn in a quest.

Makkir

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

and this is exactly why this game need so much instanced pvp. pvp is not about killing others on sight to get some imaginatory "tiny advantage in war", pvp is about challenge others with honor, take pride of hardworking for victory

Hey homeslice, that logic doesn't win wars. May as well summon your white horse and ride straight out of Cyrodiil...

Sylvyr

jkemmery wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

You want fair warfare? That's a novel concept.

Not really, no, it is in fact very much NOT a novel concept. The history of warfare is filled with rules of war. I'm sure you've heard of a thing called the Geneva Convention. Considering that this game is based on a Medieval type of theme, where HONOR in battle was in fact MORE IMPORTANT than if you won or lost then I would say OP is right on point. No true knight would ever THINK to attack an enemy unawares. So OP has a valid point. Of course the actions of most players in Cyrodiil are anything but honorable, but still, the fact that you made a statement about fairness in warfare prompted me to point out that, no, it is in fact not a novel concept at all, but was in fact part and parcel of the chivalric code of knights, and is in fact still practiced today on a large scale.

We are not playing a game based on Earth history of medieval warfare. Evil Daedra that would eat children for appetizers and would crush men like grapes do exist. ES is far from a Disney game.

We're on the ESO forums, Geneva Convention and whatnot has absolutely no place here.

Don't be that "guy" that comes into a Game of Thrones MMO and say, OK everyone, fight fair and with honor. Don't use deception or stealth, and don't backstab anyone that's just dirty tactics. It just wouldn't be in context, and probably be subject to many LOLs.

OP does NOT have a valid point in this context. He is confused.

G0ku

Man you really got energy to bother yourself with all these trollposts. You can´t come to forum and tell people their behaviour sucks, they just will answer your reaction results from being killed by their fishy methods.

In game as in forums it´s the same: some people need to compensate some miserable aspect of their reallife and they can only do that by making someone else feel miserably.

inb4: "ooo you got ganked too"

Again, don´t try to speak for sth. what you think is right in these forums, you only get what you see here.

I think PvE in Cyrodiil was designed to be exactly what it is now, thrill of pvp danger while pve´ing.

I am ganking because zergballing is hell and if there is a single person with a brain in a zerg then it´s the raidleader, no one else just bots behind. That´s my oppinion, but you know what they say about oppinions, they are like aaholes, everyone got one and everyone thinks the one of the one next to them stinks.

olsborg

I always wait until they are finished at the npc, or attack them before they get to it. That way, I get a nice actionpacked fight where my oponent can fight back.

VincentBlanquin

Sylvyr wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

You want fair warfare? That's a novel concept.

Not really, no, it is in fact very much NOT a novel concept. The history of warfare is filled with rules of war. I'm sure you've heard of a thing called the Geneva Convention. Considering that this game is based on a Medieval type of theme, where HONOR in battle was in fact MORE IMPORTANT than if you won or lost then I would say OP is right on point. No true knight would ever THINK to attack an enemy unawares. So OP has a valid point. Of course the actions of most players in Cyrodiil are anything but honorable, but still, the fact that you made a statement about fairness in warfare prompted me to point out that, no, it is in fact not a novel concept at all, but was in fact part and parcel of the chivalric code of knights, and is in fact still practiced today on a large scale.

We are not playing a game based on Earth history of medieval warfare. Evil Daedra that would eat children for appetizers and would crush men like grapes do exist. ES is far from a Disney game.

We're on the ESO forums, Geneva Convention and whatnot has absolutely no place here.

Don't be that "guy" that comes into a Game of Thrones MMO and say, OK everyone, fight fair and with honor. Don't use deception or stealth, and don't backstab anyone that's just dirty tactics. It just wouldn't be in context, and probably be subject to many LOLs.

OP does NOT have a valid point in this context. He is confused.

you are confused. i never write about delete ganking from this game

VincentBlanquin

G0ku wrote: »

Man you really got energy to bother yourself with all these trollposts. You can´t come to forum and tell people their behaviour sucks, they just will answer your reaction results from being killed by their fishy methods.

In game as in forums it´s the same: some people need to compensate some miserable aspect of their reallife and they can only do that by making someone else feel miserably.

inb4: "ooo you got ganked too"

Again, don´t try to speak for sth. what you think is right in these forums, you only get what you see here.

I think PvE in Cyrodiil was designed to be exactly what it is now, thrill of pvp danger while pve´ing.

I am ganking because zergballing is hell and if there is a single person with a brain in a zerg then it´s the raidleader, no one else just bots behind. That´s my oppinion, but you know what they say about oppinions, they are like aaholes, everyone got one and everyone thinks the one of the one next to them stinks.

not problem for me, i am experienced at forums, its not big hit for me. point is i dont come here to say forum users they sucks, still think majority of these users never do these methods and only defend "maximal free" playstyle for some reason, dont know why, couse its completely irrelevant in currrent state of gameplay

Vizier

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

....it says A LOT about how these people are unable to play proper PvP.

Proper PvP? What is that? ROFL

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

and this is exactly why this game need so much instanced pvp. pvp is not about killing others on sight to get some imaginatory "tiny advantage in war", pvp is about challenge others with honor, take pride of hardworking for victory

We don't "need" instanced" pvp. More meaningful open world objectives would be great for spreading things around and providing more opportunity for small group or team pvp. AND I couldn't disagree with you more. PvP has nothing to do with honor or honorable combat. I worked hard to build a character that can kill from the shadows and survive should things go wrong or not as planned. I'm patient, don't force my shots and wait for the right moments. I can tell you with no uncertainty I take great pride in killing someone how let's their guard down. As I mentioned before. Bubble and buff up before you turn your quest in or receive it. Don't if you don't want to but there are consequences for lack of vigilance.

I really wish ZoS hadn't removed LOL button...just sayin.

couldnt disagree more. what you describe is not pvp, its waiting somewhere and then type few numbers on your keyboard. its more pvt (player vs time) than pvp, if they cant react . you are really pathetic if you see pride in killing someone not prepared, although is really legit

what if someone is occupied by monsters, you feel pride too when killing him? couse he was unprepared? unprepared is still unprepared

If you want clear guidelines and rules of engagement..shrug. Play Chess. This is not that. This is open world PvP where we are left to out own devices within the structure to win. Sometimes that means planning ahead. Part of planning ahead is to know danger could be anywhere and could strike at anytime ready or not, so plan ahead and take as few needless risks as possible. It should be part of your overall strategy.

Hint- Don't ride from keep door to keep door. Take a path less traveled. Go dark once you get near and stealth in. When traveling use terrain to break possible line of sight. So hug rocks, and tress as you pass and don't follow a strait line so these features actually do break line of sight. Assume you are being observed. Be patient and watch a hub area in stealth for a time before turning in a quest. That can help you avoid being ganked and or turn the hunted (you) into the hunter.

Part of this is about playing the person and not the pixels on the screen. If the person on the other side gets lazy, sloppy, overconfident, etc, and I am patient, observant and ready to strike...guess what. I win. If you think pvp, conflict and war are about looking someone in the eye and waiting until they are ready that's your problem. I commend your sense of honor, but find the notion to be...limited. It's rather naive to assume or expect the rest of the field to constrain themselves to such a narrow concept of pvp, when there are so many other viable options. If I, as a player, was seeking what you suggest I'd play an entirely different game... not going to happen anytime soon.

olemanwinter

THE VERY CONCEPT OF "BUFF SERVERS" is total and complete BULLSH!T.

On competitive servers where there is actual competition I never go to those towns.

But if some alliance thinks they own a server and they can just run around all puppy-dog farts and rainbows in their "buff server"....I'm going to do everything I possibly can to p!ss in their lemonade.

olemanwinter

Varicite wrote: »

I may not gank people at quest givers or do other underhanded things,

Underhanded?

Lets draw a little context from RL shall we. If you think giant head-to-head battles are the only types of combat that matter you might want to go talk to some Rangers or Seals, or other SpecOps guys.

I feel like some of you people are stuck in the 1700s, where one side would line up in shiny red uniforms and fight against the other side lined up in shiny blue uniforms....cause that was "honorable" combat.

It's hilarious to me that people call me a "ganker" when I kill them from stealth when they are part of a 20 vs 20 battle for a keep.

Killing an enemy in Cyrodiil while he turns in a quest is about as underhanded as capturing a terrorist as he's getting groceries. Naw, he's just PvE'ing right now.....wait till we see him attack the base. Then we'll get him. lol

olemanwinter

Varicite wrote: »

But not gonna really upset me if they make players immune to attack while engaged in dialogue w/ a NPC,
/shrug

This would be awesome. I CAN'T WAIT to start chatting up the siege merchant the next time an inner keep is under attack.

Bouvin

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

to all community, to all players to care about population here and longevity in pvp

please stop ganking players when they turned quests, they are stuck at turning and cant do anything, defend, nothing. What are you proud of collecting these kills? zen fail to deliver safe zone around quest npcs, so please, tell in your guilds to not do this, punish them for this. Try to watch from time to time your own territory cities and kill these scums. you all not only veterans complain about zerging, so this can be your way to have 1vs1 fight and do right thing in one. spred this, do this. thank you for your time

Actually these are the people that I don't want to see in PvP.

They don't contribute to map control or help win the campaign. They are just in the PvP zone to PvE.

If they don't like PvPing, then they shouldn't be questing in the PvP zone.

SHADOW2KK

Bouvin wrote: »

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

to all community, to all players to care about population here and longevity in pvp

please stop ganking players when they turned quests, they are stuck at turning and cant do anything, defend, nothing. What are you proud of collecting these kills? zen fail to deliver safe zone around quest npcs, so please, tell in your guilds to not do this, punish them for this. Try to watch from time to time your own territory cities and kill these scums. you all not only veterans complain about zerging, so this can be your way to have 1vs1 fight and do right thing in one. spred this, do this. thank you for your time

Actually these are the people that I don't want to see in PvP.

They don't contribute to map control or help win the campaign. They are just in the PvP zone to PvE.

If they don't like PvPing, then they shouldn't be questing in the PvP zone.

Agreed, I just see them as cannon fodder tbh, and don`t have any respect for them, I wont kill people who are afk or handing in quests, but as soon as they move, they die.

As you said, they contribute nothing to the war effort, and the bizarre no priority queuing system makes it even worse, when there are so many cannon fodder PvEers and RPers in a mainly PvP zone...

And yet they moan when they get lit up, lol, love the logic of that, considering there are so many PvE zones, and we only get one zone.

Ah well, more AP is a positive thing about this...

Jitterbug

There is nothing like an open PvP zone to cast a light on the true behaviour of man.

Dositheus

Hah. Honestly I'd love it if they opened up more zones as multi faction and had open pvp. Craglorn? That would be a kick to pvp around.

Honestly I loved that about pvp in Rift. You could turn on your "pvp" flag and others could choose to attack you and flag themselfs (or have it unchecked so they couldnt' attack you) etc. If you had your flag on though, you were fair game anywhere you were going. It made it much more entertaining to go around questing, when you knew someone could attack you. Likewise, I'd nuke anyone I saw who was flagged. And we had a great time at it. I wish ESO had more zones like that for some "out of cyro" pvp.

SHADOW2KK

Dositheus wrote: »

Hah. Honestly I'd love it if they opened up more zones as multi faction and had open pvp. Craglorn? That would be a kick to pvp around.

Honestly I loved that about pvp in Rift. You could turn on your "pvp" flag and others could choose to attack you and flag themselfs (or have it unchecked so they couldnt' attack you) etc. If you had your flag on though, you were fair game anywhere you were going. It made it much more entertaining to go around questing, when you knew someone could attack you. Likewise, I'd nuke anyone I saw who was flagged. And we had a great time at it. I wish ESO had more zones like that for some "out of cyro" pvp.

Would personally love that too, its always better pitting your wits and skills against a human opponent rather than the scripted predictable care bear PvE style hostiles, (no offence).

A lot of them would leave though if this was implemented, but a choice system for those of us that prefer a proper fight should be implemented, at least the choice is there.

PeggymoeXD

I understand the concern for this issue, believe me. But good luck convincing these type of people to do something as generous as not camping npc's. But on the other hand, this is Cyrodiil. Being ganked is a risk you're taking as soon as you leave that gate and start questing. That's why there is more experience offered for quests in Cyrodiil.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

Dositheus

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Dositheus wrote: »

Hah. Honestly I'd love it if they opened up more zones as multi faction and had open pvp. Craglorn? That would be a kick to pvp around.

Honestly I loved that about pvp in Rift. You could turn on your "pvp" flag and others could choose to attack you and flag themselfs (or have it unchecked so they couldnt' attack you) etc. If you had your flag on though, you were fair game anywhere you were going. It made it much more entertaining to go around questing, when you knew someone could attack you. Likewise, I'd nuke anyone I saw who was flagged. And we had a great time at it. I wish ESO had more zones like that for some "out of cyro" pvp.

Would personally love that too, its always better pitting your wits and skills against a human opponent rather than the scripted predictable care bear PvE style hostiles, (no offence).

A lot of them would leave though if this was implemented, but a choice system for those of us that prefer a proper fight should be implemented, at least the choice is there.

And that's why I suggest the "toggle" switch for pvp, that is defaulted to off. But you can toggle on. If it is on, you are pvp vulnerable to opposing faction members. Thus new zones like Craglorn would be accessable to all, regardless of faction. All in the same area. We'd not be able to attack, unless we turned on the pvp toggle. But, being able to get some faction on faction fighting would certainly liven up things. And make sense.. when I'm an ep out in Craglorn... why arn't the DC and AD out there too? Why CAN'T we get into a scuffle if we want?

Lava_Croft

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

to all community, to all players to care about population here and longevity in pvp

please stop ganking players when they turned quests, they are stuck at turning and cant do anything, defend, nothing. What are you proud of collecting these kills? zen fail to deliver safe zone around quest npcs, so please, tell in your guilds to not do this, punish them for this. Try to watch from time to time your own territory cities and kill these scums. you all not only veterans complain about zerging, so this can be your way to have 1vs1 fight and do right thing in one. spred this, do this. thank you for your time

olemanwinter

Jitterbug wrote: »

There is nothing like an open PvP zone to cast a light on the true behaviour of man.

I agree. Just like I would expect going to the store to shop for a stereo or some other such nonsense in the middle of a RL war-torn country would be pretty dangerous and well....stupid.

Man's true behavior is.....stupid. As exemplified by people coming into a P...V...P zone in their pink and green armor and bouncing up to a quest giver and reading the dialogue in full so they can soak up their roleplaying experience.

VincentBlanquin

well, i donk ask for delete ganking from game, no need more posts about Cyro is free zone, here is already enough of them. I ask politely if players should keep more attention what going on in cities, its overall ideal way to avoid zerg everybody hate and have small scale fight... or fo you hate questing at cyrodiil too much. You must understand that not everybody is pvp veteran and it should be important xp gain to become vr14 with good gear in reasonable time.

i see quest npc camping as bad habit, the same many others here although they defend free zone rules. i dont believe any decent players just log in, camp npcs and have proud of killing newbies stuck at clicking at npc dialogue. They want probably make yourself a sure they are still experienced veterans, member of elite who is able killing easily, thats bad. there always must be some piece of pride at pvp, otherwise we have lagsploiting and other things as daily standard and good players leave the game. there is so many thread complaining about pvp and only in this thread, there is so many people defending this behaviour, interesting. luckily i have time and patience

bosmern_ESO

Coming from someone who did all Cyrodiil quests, they are perfectly fine. I actually enjoyed questing in pvp because it allowed me to 1v1, 1v2 more.

If you dont like getting killed in PvP, maybe you should stay out of the zone, that or stop being a PvE scrub.

Snit

When I gank (which is rare now), I let the person turn in the quest or grab the skyshard before I open up. At least, I try to. You get the same AP either way.

Siliconhobbit_ESO

Yeah...It's a PvP zone. You need to expect PvP. If you are having trouble being ganked then you need to have friends watching your back while turning in quests.

Otherwise, expect to die.

Complaining about dying in a PvP zone, no matter how the death happened, is going to get you no sympathy I'm afraid.

VincentBlanquin

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

Complaining about dying in a PvP zone, no matter how the death happened, is going to get you no sympathy I'm afraid.

really? so i am curious about lagsploiting deaths, lagsploiting is part of the game, so no complain too? how many players willl agree? so everybody is happy, there is no need for any changes in game for good. every suggestion for pvp is just pve scrubs complaining? hm, no problem with turn in quest killing today, no problem in lagsploiting tomorrow? no problem with xyz next month? is it still good game about we are talking?

of course lagsploiting is much bigger issue, but has the same root . is it so hard to figure out?

Cinbri

So many honorless pvp heroes here. Personally, never attacking enemies in quest cities but if i see enemy ganked someone i will chase him till death and won't allow to quest till i in city.

bosmern_ESO

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

Complaining about dying in a PvP zone, no matter how the death happened, is going to get you no sympathy I'm afraid.

really? so i am curious about lagsploiting deaths, lagsploiting is part of the game, so no complain too? how many players willl agree? so everybody is happy, there is no need for any changes in game for good. every suggestion for pvp is just pve scrubs complaining? hm, no problem with turn in quest killing today, no problem in lagsploiting tomorrow? no problem with xyz next month? is it still good game about we are talking?

of course lagsploiting is much bigger issue, but has the same root . is it so hard to figure out?

Lagging is more client side, when the game cannot function properly is something you can complain about (like getting hit with 40k+ fall damage). But when its a 1v1 that isn't lagging, you can't complain about dying.

you die in PvP, everyone does, ZoS doesn't need to rush and force out an update just because you died a few times. Not only that, you're trying to make others play the game that you do, which is very selfish.