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[Data Mining] New Crown Store Items from 2.0.8
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Playing the devil's advocate -
So if I pay for a speedier horse, does that give me an advantage over someone else who also has a maxed out horse?
Of course not, but you get there much quicker.
That's almost like saying, "Does me buying all of my champion points give me an advantage over someone else with all of their champion points?"
Well... no, but you can get there a hell of a lot quicker and skip a gigantic grind mechanic.Edited by Sallington on May 13, 2015 8:39PMDaggerfall Covenant
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Sylvyr✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »
Triple the amount of time spent on horse upgrades, then charge players to make it go faster.
I find this quite convenient @ZOS.
Yes.
Firor made a statement about them not changing the game and then charging Crowns. The following statement was made on February 12, prior to the horse changes in 1.6:The Road Ahead - February wrote:We're adding customization and convenience items in the Crown Store, but those will be added to the game as it is now; we're not going to make it harder for you to enjoy the game you already play to encourage you to use the Crown Store.
In light of the Crown training, and now that 1.6 has changed the game so that it takes longer, I think it is time to change horse riding training for gold so that each of the riding skills can be done every 20 hours.
Thank you for looking that up. I remember Matt Firor saying something about how they wouldn't mess with the game in order to create more incentive to use the crown store.
That would be bad. Like adding more salt to the soda to make you thirstier to want to drink more.
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Sylvyr✭✭✭✭✭but seriously. people are too concerned about what other people are doing. We should all just play our own game and let others play it the way they want to play it. If that includes paying money to circumvent ACTUAL gameplay, who am I to judge that or dictate that they shouldn't do that?
+1000 LOLs.
If you meant what you said, would you not post?
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Sylvyr✭✭✭✭✭Im sry, i understand what P2W mean but.... in ESO, is there anything to win ?
In a game based mostly on progression and no real clear "The End" it is more like P2WINNING. It's more about the process of skipping content or getting boosts to get you closer to relatively more power, quicker.
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Im sry, i understand what P2W mean but.... in ESO, is there anything to win ?
In a game based mostly on progression and no real clear "The End" it is more like P2WINNING. It's more about the process of skipping content or getting boosts to get you closer to relatively more power, quicker.
I would call topping the leaderboards (PvP or PvE) as "winning" in ESO.0 -
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✭Im sry, i understand what P2W mean but.... in ESO, is there anything to win ?
In a game based mostly on progression and no real clear "The End" it is more like P2WINNING. It's more about the process of skipping content or getting boosts to get you closer to relatively more power, quicker.
I would call topping the leaderboards (PvP or PvE) as "winning" in ESO.
Yes, and faster training on the horse will get you there......wait no it won't......oh sorry I forgot, it's the first step on a presumed slippery slope........0 -
Sylvyr✭✭✭✭✭Im sry, i understand what P2W mean but.... in ESO, is there anything to win ?
In a game based mostly on progression and no real clear "The End" it is more like P2WINNING. It's more about the process of skipping content or getting boosts to get you closer to relatively more power, quicker.
I would call topping the leaderboards (PvP or PvE) as "winning" in ESO.
Certainly that gets warmer to an aspect of win. But it's no end.
Leaderboards can change every week or whatever cycle. Builds change, skills change, etc.
Those with more resources (gold, AP, CP, whatever) are in a better position to adapt to assist in things like maintaining leaderboard standings.
Buying resources, or even buying things that help you get resources, assists in this.
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Um, OK I'm not a PVPer so I could be wrong on this, but wouldn't horse training help you with the PVP leaderboards? I mean, with more horse speed and stamina you're more likely to be able to chase down enemy players, while avoiding being knocked off your horse when ambushed by them. And A faster horse means less time getting to the site of a battle where you can get AP, so it improves your efficiency of AP gains. Or am I out to lunch on this?Im sry, i understand what P2W mean but.... in ESO, is there anything to win ?
In a game based mostly on progression and no real clear "The End" it is more like P2WINNING. It's more about the process of skipping content or getting boosts to get you closer to relatively more power, quicker.
I would call topping the leaderboards (PvP or PvE) as "winning" in ESO.
Yes, and faster training on the horse will get you there......wait no it won't......oh sorry I forgot, it's the first step on a presumed slippery slope........
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Um, OK I'm not a PVPer so I could be wrong on this, but wouldn't horse training help you with the PVP leaderboards? I mean, with more horse speed and stamina you're more likely to be able to chase down enemy players, while avoiding being knocked off your horse when ambushed by them. And A faster horse means less time getting to the site of a battle where you can get AP, so it improves your efficiency of AP gains. Or am I out to lunch on this?Im sry, i understand what P2W mean but.... in ESO, is there anything to win ?
In a game based mostly on progression and no real clear "The End" it is more like P2WINNING. It's more about the process of skipping content or getting boosts to get you closer to relatively more power, quicker.
I would call topping the leaderboards (PvP or PvE) as "winning" in ESO.
Yes, and faster training on the horse will get you there......wait no it won't......oh sorry I forgot, it's the first step on a presumed slippery slope........
I think you're correct.
In PvE it means getting to objectives faster, which means acquiring XP and gold faster.Badge: Wall-of-Text GRANDMASTER
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olemanwinter✭✭✭✭✭So someone who maxed out their horse using the crown store is more competitive than someone who maxed out their horse the traditional way?
Because you INSIST on writing in past tense. One takes approx 180 days while the other is instant.
So, it's not Maxed (traditional) VS Maxed (crown store)
IT IS ....Slowly Maxing (traditional) VS Maxed (crown store)
But you are being purposefully obtuse I think, so I'm done with this.0 -
olemanwinter✭✭✭✭✭Um, OK I'm not a PVPer so I could be wrong on this, but wouldn't horse training help you with the PVP leaderboards? I mean, with more horse speed and stamina you're more likely to be able to chase down enemy players, while avoiding being knocked off your horse when ambushed by them. And A faster horse means less time getting to the site of a battle where you can get AP, so it improves your efficiency of AP gains. Or am I out to lunch on this?
Not only that, but whenever I'm watching a big group of players ride by....there is always that last guy running a little behind and I gank the sh#t out of him. lmao
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✭✭Im sry, i understand what P2W mean but.... in ESO, is there anything to win ?
In a game based mostly on progression and no real clear "The End" it is more like P2WINNING. It's more about the process of skipping content or getting boosts to get you closer to relatively more power, quicker.
I would call topping the leaderboards (PvP or PvE) as "winning" in ESO.
Yes, and faster training on the horse will get you there......wait no it won't......oh sorry I forgot, it's the first step on a presumed slippery slope........
Emphasis mine.
No, it isn't the first step. We are already a few steps down a path (the reveal of XP pots, motifs and now this) that some of us recognise. This isn't about presumption, this is about experience... but feel free to tell yourself whatever story you need to.2 -
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✭Im sry, i understand what P2W mean but.... in ESO, is there anything to win ?
In a game based mostly on progression and no real clear "The End" it is more like P2WINNING. It's more about the process of skipping content or getting boosts to get you closer to relatively more power, quicker.
I would call topping the leaderboards (PvP or PvE) as "winning" in ESO.
Yes, and faster training on the horse will get you there......wait no it won't......oh sorry I forgot, it's the first step on a presumed slippery slope........
Is that what I said? Perhaps you could quote the part where I said that? <.<0 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »
Playing the devil's advocate -
So if I pay for a speedier horse, does that give me an advantage over someone else who also has a maxed out horse?
Of course not, but you get there much quicker.
That's almost like saying, "Does me buying all of my champion points give me an advantage over someone else with all of their champion points?"
Well... no, but you can get there a hell of a lot quicker and skip a gigantic grind mechanic.
This explains it perfectly.
We knew this will slowly come... they gave up on pay to win via XP potions for a while due to the bad community reaction but its clear they are slowly getting to that and adding more on the way.
Well, i have a sub but i`m cancelling it and while i will still play i`ll never buy anything from the store except maybe content.
Maybe we should have a thread where we make a pledge to never buy anything but content while pay to win stuff is in the game? Not sure they would allow this here(shady devs are usually afraid to let free speech actually be free) but there are plenty of alternative forums....2 -
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✭Just make the stable accept crowns or gold for lessons, there's no need to let anyone skip the time sink.
Do crown store potions skip the cooldown?
Does crown store food stack?
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Meh, I remember when P2W was actually that.
In ESO terms you would get say +15% to stam regen that you could only get by paying with crowns. No amount of time in game would enable you to get it. Higher max on any stat, with crowns only, would be P2W. Avoiding a time sink, is not.
I personally do not mind people bypassing time sinks for real money. As long as everyone playing can achieve the same outcome with time or money.
I also don't feel "cheated" or "slapped in the face" when a company changes the rules after I have already put time in. I am happy they are working with things that are not P2W. They make the money they need, and I can still play and it only requires my time.
If they start selling an unfair permanent crown only advantage, then I expect it will fail. Until then I expect the people who pay to avoid time sinks will outweigh those who refuse to play a game that lets others bypass them.2 -
NadiusMaximus✭✭✭✭✭Huh, all this stuff that's gonna be sold, yet I can't buy a version of pvp that works as advertised.
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✭By the time playersolemanwinter wrote: »So someone who maxed out their horse using the crown store is more competitive than someone who maxed out their horse the traditional way?
Because you INSIST on writing in past tense. One takes approx 180 days while the other is instant.
So, it's not Maxed (traditional) VS Maxed (crown store)
IT IS ....Slowly Maxing (traditional) VS Maxed (crown store)
But you are being purposefully obtuse I think, so I'm done with this.
I just don't believe in this 180 day right of passage that is horse skill training. Horse speed and stamina give a mobility advantage, no doubt about that. It'll get you to the fight faster and safer but once you're engaged, that extra horse stamina won't save you, if you're lacking the skill/gear/lvl. There's a reason a lot of people save their horse stamina upgrade for last, it's a miniscule advantage, very situational and the fact that a lot of people prefer extra bag space over it, really speaks for itself.
If training your horse skill felt meaningful in some way, I'd be more opposed to bypassing it with a cash sink. I'm not in favor of items that let you bypass content but I hardly consider horse skill training to be content.
I'd be totally ok, if zos decided to make horse skill training purely a gold sink, instead of the mindless time sink and chore that it is today. If they took away the 1 upgrade per day limitation or at the very least allowed us 2-3 upgrades a day, I'd be happy; even if they increased the cost exponentially. Instead, it looks like they're going to make it an optional cash sink. Come to think of it, we don't really know their plans, they may introduce a gold alternative to the crown store item we saw data mined. All we know, is someone dug up a picture of items that look like they're going to affect your horse skills.
Is it p2w? I guess that depends on how nit picky you are with the term. If you insist that is it p2w then I must insist that it is just barely so, it's such a slight, circumstantial advantage, in terms of actually winning something with it that I think it's acceptable.
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✭✭✭✭✭By the time playersolemanwinter wrote: »So someone who maxed out their horse using the crown store is more competitive than someone who maxed out their horse the traditional way?
Because you INSIST on writing in past tense. One takes approx 180 days while the other is instant.
So, it's not Maxed (traditional) VS Maxed (crown store)
IT IS ....Slowly Maxing (traditional) VS Maxed (crown store)
But you are being purposefully obtuse I think, so I'm done with this.
I just don't believe in this 180 day right of passage that is horse skill training. Horse speed and stamina give a mobility advantage, no doubt about that. It'll get you to the fight faster and safer but once you're engaged, that extra horse stamina won't save you, if you're lacking the skill/gear/lvl. There's a reason a lot of people save their horse stamina upgrade for last, it's a miniscule advantage, very situational and the fact that a lot of people prefer extra bag space over it, really speaks for itself.
If training your horse skill felt meaningful in some way, I'd be more opposed to bypassing it with a cash sink. I'm not in favor of items that let you bypass content but I hardly consider horse skill training to be content.
I'd be totally ok, if zos decided to make horse skill training purely a gold sink, instead of the mindless time sink and chore that it is today. If they took away the 1 upgrade per day limitation or at the very least allowed us 2-3 upgrades a day, I'd be happy; even if they increased the cost exponentially. Instead, it looks like they're going to make it an optional cash sink. Come to think of it, we don't really know their plans, they may introduce a gold alternative to the crown store item we saw data mined. All we know, is someone dug up a picture of items that look like they're going to affect your horse skills.
Is it p2w? I guess that depends on how nit picky you are with the term. If you insist that is it p2w then I must insist that it is just barely so, it's such a slight, circumstantial advantage, in terms of actually winning something with it that I think it's acceptable.
If you are in Cyrodiil and looking to get somewhere, like that keep or outpost, you may not want to stop and chat with every ganker between you and your objective. Horse speed is important. You are harder to catch if they are out of position relative to you.
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✭✭✭✭✭Just make the stable accept crowns or gold for lessons, there's no need to let anyone skip the time sink.
Do crown store potions skip the cooldown?
Does crown store food stack?
Selling the wrong things will cost you money in the long run. Don't be stupid ZOS.
LOL, you've completely missed the point of Crown Store horse lessons! Do you really think the 250 G per lesson is the problem being solved here? "Skipping the time sink" is the ONLY reason anyone would pay real world cash for this.
The LAST thing ESO needs is more time sinks. Thanks to the nerf to Enlightenment, it will take a typical player 10 years to max the Champion System. TEN FREAKIN' YEARS. Torturing us with long trait research times and endless horse lessons is just adding unnecessary insult to injury.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
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✭Guys. Guys... This is clearly my fault.SuraklinPrime wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I can support account wide horse skills if they consider it horse training and not rider training.
We are all sharing horses so maybe charge a flat cost per character to ride but the mounts should've stayed separated as far as skill but open for use of all characters.
Can you even begin to imagine the whining if we had to train mounts up the old way now that an account can have all the senches, guars and horses it wants and, no doubt, many more to come as they release into the crown store?
"I spent 3k crowns on this panther senche and I still have to spend months training it up waaaahhh"
Some people will always expect to log into the game and be presented with an 'I won' badge, ZOS should continue to resist them.
It's not.. winning.
You do the work already. You spend 6 months training a mount to max it out, on every single character.
It's not like anybody is asking to just have the training done for free.
Hmm, come to think of it, why is THAT not in the Crown store?
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