[Data Mining] New Crown Store Items from 2.0.8

nastuug · May 2015

TERAB1T wrote: »

Riding Lessons are coming to the Crown Store.

mmm, tasty.

KrisButtar · May 2015

This is awesome. Hopefully we can use them multiple times in a day and get my horse up to par with everyone already

Slurg · May 2015

Snit wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

p2w (in cyrodiil)

Your "Win" bar is set very low.

What you mean, I suppose, is that this represents "pay for a tiny advantage, in that you get to max a moderately useful support ability sooner." You don't have to be a vatican warlock assassin like Charlie Sheen to know that's not really "winning."

Apparently one must have to be, based on some of these comments in this thread.

P2W conspiracy theorists aside, the more interesting thing to note is that here are plans to make yet another gold sink in the game obsolete by making it more conveniently available in the cash shop (like soul gems and respecs and repair kits). The implications of that are far more troubling than someone's reaching definition of how this can be construed as P2W.

Scamandros · May 2015

I don't recall any time where I have lost or underperformed because someone else had a better horse then me.
Not a fan of the cash shop at all, but I don't think this is an issue.

Islyn · May 2015

I just want to also wave the flag about the fact that many people came here in the first place because of what we were sold with regard to never having to spend separately from the sub.

I would also like to point out that suddenly all went quiet for *weeks* and ta daa Buy to Play.

I think people let these things just sliiide by and when people first said something was 'up' they also got called 'conspiracy theorists' (which is in and of itself just a dumb thing to say) and lo and behold - look what has happened.

If the Motifs in the cash shop had same rules applied to those found in game, OK. They don't.
If the horse thing has the same 20 hour CD per level (as in can buy one of one level every 20 hours) OK. Wanna lay bets on that being the case?

I personally am not going to leave ESO over this - that will happen due to lack of new content (pve and moreso pvp) and severe lag in Cyro.
However these issues are still worth noting.

Sallington · May 2015

For all of the people thinking it's no big detail because it's just the dumb horses, it won't be long before you are bypassing trait research cooldowns. Or buying stacks of mats. Or purchasing AP packs.

LameoveR · May 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

XP potions - if they effect CP gains, yes, they are 100% P2W and only an idiot would argue that.
Scrolls and possibly this - inbetween, they are the start of crossing the line between P2W and convenience.

ESO+ is p2w too? It affects CP gain.
Scrolls, motifs and riding books is a f2p feature. You can get it "just playing the game" or you can buy it.
Developer's Sword from South Park - Make love, not Warcraft - is a p2w item

WebBull · May 2015

Sallington wrote: »

For all of the people thinking it's no big detail because it's just the dumb horses, it won't be long before you are bypassing trait research cooldowns. Or buying stacks of mats. Or purchasing AP packs.

Delusional. Paranoid.

PKMN12 · May 2015

LameoveR wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

XP potions - if they effect CP gains, yes, they are 100% P2W and only an idiot would argue that.
Scrolls and possibly this - inbetween, they are the start of crossing the line between P2W and convenience.

ESO+ is p2w too? It affects CP gain.
Scrolls, motifs and riding books is a f2p feature. You can get it "just playing the game" or you can buy it.
Developer's Sword from South Park - Make love, not Warcraft - is a p2w item

ESO+ only adds about 10%, the potions were going to add 50%, which is INSANE.

Sallington · May 2015

WebBull wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

For all of the people thinking it's no big detail because it's just the dumb horses, it won't be long before you are bypassing trait research cooldowns. Or buying stacks of mats. Or purchasing AP packs.

Delusional. Paranoid.

Totally paranoid, because ZOS has a track record of sticking to their word. Just like how they were never going to stray from the subscription model, because that would be the best way for them to deliver the kind of quality content they were expecting to release, and how the cash shop was going to be 100% cosmetics only.

Have you never seen/played any other F2P MMO? It's common sense that this is how this type of thing progresses.

PKMN12 · May 2015

WebBull wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

For all of the people thinking it's no big detail because it's just the dumb horses, it won't be long before you are bypassing trait research cooldowns. Or buying stacks of mats. Or purchasing AP packs.

Delusional. Paranoid.

yeah, you must be new to this game AND teh MMO world. Not only has ZOS proven they have no problems lieing right to the faces of their consumers, but this is history repeatings itself for the millionth time with MMO and cash shops. At first, it is only cosmetics, then they add some items to use but that are nto great, then they start getting better, then they allow bypassing of time and money sinks, then boom you will eventually be FORCED to pay money to be competitive at this game.

Elsonso · May 2015

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WebBull wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

For all of the people thinking it's no big detail because it's just the dumb horses, it won't be long before you are bypassing trait research cooldowns. Or buying stacks of mats. Or purchasing AP packs.

Delusional. Paranoid.

Prophetic.

Everything in the game that is a time or gold sink has "Crown Store can fix this" on a sticky in the office of the Senior Monetization Lead. Trait research that takes a month to complete? You'd have to be insane to think that ZOS is not looking at that hard. Alliance ranks? People already are complaining about making them account wide because they take too long.

They have a rule about the Crown Store. Whatever is purchased must be immediately usable. DLC, potions, motifs, horses, pets... everything. There is nothing in the store that you cannot pick up and use right away, no cool down.

idk · May 2015

olsborg wrote: »

Alts, buy up that stamina and speed, you wont be knocked of your horse as easily. IMO its p2w.

Maybe on a small level. Very small level.

Zargorius · May 2015

Fantastic, can't wait to see these available. P2W my bottom.

Prizax · May 2015

lol not bad I guess, but I just hope there is a point in using them for those who already have 60,60,60.

MCMancub · May 2015

Sallington wrote: »

For all of the people thinking it's no big detail because it's just the dumb horses, it won't be long before you are bypassing trait research cooldowns. Or buying stacks of mats. Or purchasing AP packs.

I'm sorry, but trait research is now and has always been broken. I could not care less if that system went P2W. It's, in my opinion, the worst system in the entire game.

Ignotus · May 2015

I don't really see an issue with it personally. Respecs however, I think those should remain ingame only. The mount training really is just a convenience thing because you can skip the time required to wait a day between trainings I assume. The respec however just seems like a way to buy something with cash money vs. ingame gold. I think respecs should continue to cost gold.

MCMancub · May 2015

MCMancub wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

For all of the people thinking it's no big detail because it's just the dumb horses, it won't be long before you are bypassing trait research cooldowns. Or buying stacks of mats. Or purchasing AP packs.

I'm sorry, but trait research is now and has always been broken. I could not care less if that system went P2W. It's, in my opinion, the worst system in the entire game.

I put 4 skill points into a crafting profession and level it to 45+ so that I can wait 30 days for a trait to be researched. Even games that are built on time sinks like Clash of Clans don't have waits that are half that long.

EDIT: Why did this double post when I edited it?

EQBallzz · May 2015

Yay. More sketchy, grey-area, borderline items in the P2W shop for people to argue about on the forums incessantly. ZOS seems to be right on schedule with their march to P2W. On schedule with content releases? Not so much. It won't be long before the borderline items turn into outright P2W items. So sad.

LameoveR · May 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

ESO+ only adds about 10%, the potions were going to add 50%, which is INSANE.

10% bonus to experience point gain
10% bonus to crafting research
10% bonus to crafting inspiration gain
10% bonus to gold acquisition
And it's ALL the time you have ESO+. It's more "P2W" than XP potions and CHEAPER!

Gidorick · May 2015

Eh. It's expected.

theweakminded · May 2015

Cuyler wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

If it circumvents the daily cooldown, it's P2W.

THIS^

Uh what? Pay to win is getting something more than someone else can. This is basically saying everything is pay to win if it saves time? So they can add nothing and make no money. Good logic.

Varicite · May 2015

Eh, looks like people will be shaving off 6 months of super tedious NPC clicking per toon by opening their billfolds soon.

Honestly, I don't really much care about this one. I don't think anybody has won or lost a fight because they didn't feed their horse an apple today.

PKMN12 · May 2015

LameoveR wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

ESO+ only adds about 10%, the potions were going to add 50%, which is INSANE.

10% bonus to experience point gain
10% bonus to crafting research
10% bonus to crafting inspiration gain
10% bonus to gold acquisition
And it's ALL the time you have ESO+. It's more "P2W" than XP potions and CHEAPER!

your joking right? 10% is almost nothing, nice, but no where near P2W

those XP potions increased CP game by 50% before . There ARLEADY IS problems with CP differences in-game, those potions as they originally were, would basically mean, buy them and play A LOT or do not bother logging in.

Gidorick · May 2015

Sallington wrote: »

For all of the people thinking it's no big detail because it's just the dumb horses, it won't be long before you are bypassing trait research cooldowns. Or buying stacks of mats. Or purchasing AP packs.

I see all that happening, with the exception of AP packs.

Reavyne · May 2015

SO loads of people complain that it take WAY to long to get a full skilled horse, and that they WOULD pay money to get riding skills in the crown store, LOADS of threads following asking for a bypass to TIME SINK, which is not P2W learn what that means before using it.

Now that ZOS has listened and is bringing in a convenience item that passes a time sink, people scream bloody murder for getting what lots of people have asked for.

sounds alot like the drop sup...ohh wait you did P2W P2W argument again.

theweakminded · May 2015

Slurg wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

p2w (in cyrodiil)

Your "Win" bar is set very low.

What you mean, I suppose, is that this represents "pay for a tiny advantage, in that you get to max a moderately useful support ability sooner." You don't have to be a vatican warlock assassin like Charlie Sheen to know that's not really "winning."

Apparently one must have to be, based on some of these comments in this thread.

P2W conspiracy theorists aside, the more interesting thing to note is that here are plans to make yet another gold sink in the game obsolete by making it more conveniently available in the cash shop (like soul gems and respecs and repair kits). The implications of that are far more troubling than someone's reaching definition of how this can be construed as P2W.

It is not really a gold sink as much as a 6 month long catch-up sequence that does not fly in today's gaming market. Catching up in gear, progression, rank? Sure. Catching up your mount? I have a great distaste for how they did their mounts in the first place. Not so much having to train, but having to wait 20hrs instead of a rest at Xam/pm each day.

Sallington · May 2015

Sallington wrote: »

WebBull wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

For all of the people thinking it's no big detail because it's just the dumb horses, it won't be long before you are bypassing trait research cooldowns. Or buying stacks of mats. Or purchasing AP packs.

Delusional. Paranoid.

Totally paranoid, because ZOS has a track record of sticking to their word. Just like how they were never going to stray form the subscription model, because that would be the best way for them to deliver the kind of quality content they were expecting to release.

Gidorick wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

For all of the people thinking it's no big detail because it's just the dumb horses, it won't be long before you are bypassing trait research cooldowns. Or buying stacks of mats. Or purchasing AP packs.

I see all that happening, with the exception of AP packs.

That would definitely be the most extremely, since it is directly turned in for gear. I could definitely see it after a year or two though.

processedmeatman · May 2015

More like Pay to Run Away. Mounts don't win fights.

Sallington · May 2015

theweakminded wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

If it circumvents the daily cooldown, it's P2W.

THIS^

Uh what? Pay to win is getting something more than someone else can. This is basically saying everything is pay to win if it saves time? So they can add nothing and make no money. Good logic.

Or, you know, they could stick to what they original said and just fill the shop with cosmetics. Mounts, costumes, etc.

There's no shortage of money to be made there I'm sure.