Should the ESO forums bring back the LOL reactions?

arena25 · May 2015

YES! I wish I could give appreciation for people's humor.

WebBull wrote: »

Maybe there should be a Jackwagon button in the shape of a box of tissues.

Ok, now that's funny. +5.

ZOS_AlanG · May 2015

We do feel these flags have value, particularly Disagree, but not enough to also put up with abuse. The lack of a reaction flag doesn't prevent people from posting humorous content, nor does it prevent people from responding to a thread to disagree; constructive criticism and debate is very welcome.

arena25 · May 2015

YES! I wish I could give appreciation for people's humor.

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

We do feel these flags have value, particularly Disagree, but not enough to also put up with abuse. The lack of a reaction flag doesn't prevent people from posting humorous content, nor does it prevent people from responding to a thread to disagree; constructive criticism and debate is very welcome.

I see your point, but honestly, as someone commented earlier, abuse of LOL and Disagree and the like should be treated as trolling.

StaticWax · May 2015

YES! I wish I could give appreciation for people's humor.

Eventually there will be no flags & this forums transition to the blandest gathering of mediocrity will be complete.

MornaBaine · May 2015

It's interesting that they'll so seriously attend to abuses on the forums and yet have an utterly inadequate system for dealing with in-game trolling of people following you around spamming spells and jumping in your face and refusing to leave you alone, doing their best to disrupt your game experience.

Deheart · May 2015

No. (Explain below)

NO, because some people arbritairily decided to make the LOL, (and other buttons when it was removed) a negative or downvote button.

Basically some people were lol'ing because the post was funny, and others were lol'ing because they thought the post was stupid or something other than what the intended function of the LOL button was. You can't be sure if people are pleased with your post or displeased with your post.

Honestly, any type of Upvote/Downvote system is always subject to abuse and misuse.

kevlarto_ESO · May 2015

No. (Explain below)

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

@Muizer @BBSooner
I see no downside to adding it back, but fear I might be overlooking something.

The LOL tag was sometimes abused, which is why it was removed. For example, people would LOL posts they disagreed with, and on some occasions would systematically LOL all recent posts by a particular member. While far from heavy trolling, it was misused like this with a fair frequency, and occasionally contributed to escalating tensions or other problems. These issues eventually outweighed any good it was contributing, which is why we decided to remove it.

At the moment we aren't considering a return of the LOL flag. However, we certainly don't mind discussion of bringing it back.

For this reason, had it been used for humor as intended, sure but once again players cannot police themselves, and will twist the most harmless things into something it was not meant to be..

UrQuan · May 2015

It's nice to see you explaining the reasoning behind this @ZOS_AlanG but I have to admit that I don't really understand why abuse of the LOL or Disagree button would be considered a problem. If there was functionality behind the button (like hiding a post with a certain number of Disagrees) then abuse of it would definitely be a problem, and require a lot of work from mods to clean up and police it.

Without any functionality behind it, though, who cares if someone wants to go and click on it for every post? It's a sign of somebody with too much time on their hands, for sure, but I don't really see where the negative impact is that would require abuse of it to be policed. If people really are so sensitive about getting Disagrees, then a solution to prevent abuse of the Disagree button could be to limit the number of times a person can use the button - either by having a maximum number of Disagrees per day, or by limiting the number of Disagrees you can give to a particular person within a certain amount of time (of some combination of the two).

Not that I really care that much about the topic - I just think it's a shame that I can't earn any more LOLs. And I'd like to think that the majority of my LOLs were earned for saying things that were actually funny... I'd like to think that

joshisanonymous · May 2015

No. (Explain below)

Because it was basically never used for its intended purpose and I'd rather not have a method of trolling hardcoded into the forums.

Incidentally, if you have been on point enough to provide "LOL" as one of the voting options, I would've chosen that.. for the lawls.

pugyourself · May 2015

I don't care/Wait and See/Casual observer

This is what "Insightful" is for.

Dru1076 · May 2015

No. (Explain below)

pugyourself wrote: »

This is what "Insightful" is for.

I don' get why people want to be able negatively flag a post so badly. You can still laugh at people and be negative, you just cant do it anonymously.

If you want to express your disapproval by using insightful, feel free to troll my posts as much as you like.

Islyn · May 2015

BBSooner wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

@Muizer @BBSooner
I see no downside to adding it back, but fear I might be overlooking something.

The LOL tag was sometimes abused, which is why it was removed. For example, people would LOL posts they disagreed with, and on some occasions would systematically LOL all recent posts by a particular member. While far from heavy trolling, it was misused like this with a fair frequency, and occasionally contributed to escalating tensions or other problems. These issues eventually outweighed any good it was contributing, which is why we decided to remove it.

At the moment we aren't considering a return of the LOL flag. However, we certainly don't mind discussion of bringing it back.

@ZOS_AlanG
You just confirmed exactly what @PKMN12 said, thank you. I shall share my opinion with you too: Why not add a "LOL" button again, but along with a new actual "Disagree" button? If one member is found abusing the "Disagree" button, maybe there can be some method to ban them from using any of those buttons? Let's face it, if they'll abuse a "Disagree" button, they'll likely abuse "Agree", "Insightful", or "Awesome" too.

Without a disagree button, a person who disagrees is more likely to partake in a discussion as opposed to simply clicking "disagree" and move on. This behavior is fine for people who agree, since no difference in opinion exists.

No - we really aren't because some of us are concerned that anything we say will be taken as baiting/trolling some kind of thing if we don't say it all pink and sparkly - even if the OP or the comment we disagree with was utterly rude.

As long as the moderation is so utterly inconsistent I am not going to be bothered with writing out a statement in response to a ridiculous post which is stupid, whiny or both.

I will answer you (even to disagree) because your comment has nothing that will force me to have to be blatantly honest in my disagreement and the reason/s for it - and then get nabbed by mods if I call a duck a duck. ;-)

pugyourself · May 2015

I don't care/Wait and See/Casual observer

MornaBaine wrote: »

It's interesting that they'll so seriously attend to abuses on the forums and yet have an utterly inadequate system for dealing with in-game trolling of people following you around spamming spells and jumping in your face and refusing to leave you alone, doing their best to disrupt your game experience.

If this happens to you often then you are probably doing something to instigate it.

Moonshadow66 · May 2015

Not sure if this was suggested before (so many postings here), but how about a "Thank You" button?

Dru1076 · May 2015

No. (Explain below)

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Not sure if this was suggested before (so many postings here), but how about a "Thank You" button?

What a great idea.

Orchish · May 2015

YES! I wish I could give appreciation for people's humor.

If no LOL, what about a face palm button? We sure could use one on these forums.

UrQuan · May 2015

Dru1076 wrote: »

pugyourself wrote: »

This is what "Insightful" is for.

I don' get why people want to be able negatively flag a post so badly. You can still laugh at people and be negative, you just cant do it anonymously.

If you want to express your disapproval by using insightful, feel free to troll my posts as much as you like.

Well, I just gave you an insightful, but it wasn't to express my disapproval

Moonshadow66 · May 2015

Dru1076 wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Not sure if this was suggested before (so many postings here), but how about a "Thank You" button?

What a great idea.

If only there was this button now.. well, thank you

BBSooner · May 2015

No. (Explain below)

Islyn wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

@Muizer @BBSooner
I see no downside to adding it back, but fear I might be overlooking something.

The LOL tag was sometimes abused, which is why it was removed. For example, people would LOL posts they disagreed with, and on some occasions would systematically LOL all recent posts by a particular member. While far from heavy trolling, it was misused like this with a fair frequency, and occasionally contributed to escalating tensions or other problems. These issues eventually outweighed any good it was contributing, which is why we decided to remove it.

At the moment we aren't considering a return of the LOL flag. However, we certainly don't mind discussion of bringing it back.

@ZOS_AlanG
You just confirmed exactly what @PKMN12 said, thank you. I shall share my opinion with you too: Why not add a "LOL" button again, but along with a new actual "Disagree" button? If one member is found abusing the "Disagree" button, maybe there can be some method to ban them from using any of those buttons? Let's face it, if they'll abuse a "Disagree" button, they'll likely abuse "Agree", "Insightful", or "Awesome" too.

Without a disagree button, a person who disagrees is more likely to partake in a discussion as opposed to simply clicking "disagree" and move on. This behavior is fine for people who agree, since no difference in opinion exists.

No - we really aren't because some of us are concerned that anything we say will be taken as baiting/trolling some kind of thing if we don't say it all pink and sparkly - even if the OP or the comment we disagree with was utterly rude.

As long as the moderation is so utterly inconsistent I am not going to be bothered with writing out a statement in response to a ridiculous post which is stupid, whiny or both.

I will answer you (even to disagree) because your comment has nothing that will force me to have to be blatantly honest in my disagreement and the reason/s for it - and then get nabbed by mods if I call a duck a duck. ;-)

I've openly disagreed with many posts on the forums. To insinuate that disagreement is grounds for moderation is silly. Your only requirement is that you aren't abusive with your response - which isn't an extraordinary feat to abide by.

Leeric · May 2015

YES! I wish I could give appreciation for people's humor.

So, you didn't like your own posts getting LOL's? I bet thats why ZOS. lol

Psychobunni · May 2015

YES! I wish I could give appreciation for people's humor.

Islyn wrote: »

No - we really aren't because some of us are concerned that anything we say will be taken as baiting/trolling some kind of thing if we don't say it all pink and sparkly - even if the OP or the comment we disagree with was utterly rude.

As long as the moderation is so utterly inconsistent I am not going to be bothered with writing out a statement in response to a ridiculous post which is stupid, whiny or both.

I will answer you (even to disagree) because your comment has nothing that will force me to have to be blatantly honest in my disagreement and the reason/s for it - and then get nabbed by mods if I call a duck a duck. ;-)

So much this^ +100

Islyn · May 2015

BBSooner wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

@Muizer @BBSooner
I see no downside to adding it back, but fear I might be overlooking something.

The LOL tag was sometimes abused, which is why it was removed. For example, people would LOL posts they disagreed with, and on some occasions would systematically LOL all recent posts by a particular member. While far from heavy trolling, it was misused like this with a fair frequency, and occasionally contributed to escalating tensions or other problems. These issues eventually outweighed any good it was contributing, which is why we decided to remove it.

At the moment we aren't considering a return of the LOL flag. However, we certainly don't mind discussion of bringing it back.

@ZOS_AlanG
You just confirmed exactly what @PKMN12 said, thank you. I shall share my opinion with you too: Why not add a "LOL" button again, but along with a new actual "Disagree" button? If one member is found abusing the "Disagree" button, maybe there can be some method to ban them from using any of those buttons? Let's face it, if they'll abuse a "Disagree" button, they'll likely abuse "Agree", "Insightful", or "Awesome" too.

Without a disagree button, a person who disagrees is more likely to partake in a discussion as opposed to simply clicking "disagree" and move on. This behavior is fine for people who agree, since no difference in opinion exists.

No - we really aren't because some of us are concerned that anything we say will be taken as baiting/trolling some kind of thing if we don't say it all pink and sparkly - even if the OP or the comment we disagree with was utterly rude.

As long as the moderation is so utterly inconsistent I am not going to be bothered with writing out a statement in response to a ridiculous post which is stupid, whiny or both.

I will answer you (even to disagree) because your comment has nothing that will force me to have to be blatantly honest in my disagreement and the reason/s for it - and then get nabbed by mods if I call a duck a duck. ;-)

I've openly disagreed with many posts on the forums. To insinuate that disagreement is grounds for moderation is silly. Your only requirement is that you aren't abusive with your response - which isn't an extraordinary feat to abide by.

I didn't insinuate anything I flat out stated it as fact because it is a fact - but we are not allowed to discuss moderations on the forums as this is against the rules too so I cannot even post proof of it without getting warned or even banned. I have over 550 'agrees' and it is not because I am talking rubbish here.

I do not trust the moderation here. End of.

Think whatever you like.

Daenerys · May 2015

YES! I wish I could give appreciation for people's humor.

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Zazaaji wrote: »

@Muizer @BBSooner
I see no downside to adding it back, but fear I might be overlooking something.

The LOL tag was sometimes abused, which is why it was removed. For example, people would LOL posts they disagreed with, and on some occasions would systematically LOL all recent posts by a particular member. While far from heavy trolling, it was misused like this with a fair frequency, and occasionally contributed to escalating tensions or other problems. These issues eventually outweighed any good it was contributing, which is why we decided to remove it.

At the moment we aren't considering a return of the LOL flag. However, we certainly don't mind discussion of bringing it back.

This only happened because you removed the Disagree button LOL

And now ppl use Insightful as LOL

Please bring both LOL & Disagree back!

pugyourself · May 2015

I don't care/Wait and See/Casual observer

Dru1076 wrote: »

pugyourself wrote: »

This is what "Insightful" is for.

I don' get why people want to be able negatively flag a post so badly. You can still laugh at people and be negative, you just cant do it anonymously.

If you want to express your disapproval by using insightful, feel free to troll my posts as much as you like.

LOL!

Dru1076 · May 2015

No. (Explain below)

pugyourself wrote: »

Dru1076 wrote: »

pugyourself wrote: »

This is what "Insightful" is for.

I don' get why people want to be able negatively flag a post so badly. You can still laugh at people and be negative, you just cant do it anonymously.

If you want to express your disapproval by using insightful, feel free to troll my posts as much as you like.

LOL!

See? Who needs a lol button?

golfer.dub17_ESO · May 2015

No. (Explain below)

No.

First, it's pretty much never used to refer to funny posts. No, just to laugh at people you personally consider to be stupid. In fact that's pretty much all it is, a way to label people as dumb. Not exactly constructive in nature.

Look around. Now that LOL is gone, everyone just abuses the insightful button, using it in the same fashion as they used to use LOL. Yeah, you sure showed them with your snarky sarcastic tagging. How petty.

Second, if you disagree with someone, why bother posting why and perhaps learning something when you can just place an anonymous tag and move on? Again not exactly constructive.

Third, somewhat related to the first point, it's redundant. Everyone just uses awesome to tag legitimately funny posts that they actually thought were awesome because they enjoyed the humor. There's no reason for another, more ambiguous button to exist.

Blud · May 2015

No. (Explain below)

People mainly used LOL to mock others. You can just make a post if you appreciate someone's humor. Just say so.

However, I wouldn't mind agree/disagree options. Though just responding in text is much better. Unfortunately, many people are not quite able to articulate specific reasons for their opinions, so the buttons might serve a useful purpose in keeping threads more focused.

babanovac · May 2015

Add the Disagree option but make it so that it can only be used in conjunction with adding a comment.

So whenever someone clicks Disagree, he will automatically quote the post that he Disagrees with. Sort of like if you Disagree with a post, you HAVE to post a comment explaining why you disagree. If you don't post the comment, your disagree will not count either.

Lookstowindwards · May 2015

Yes, but on certain conditions (explain below)

I would like to see it back. I'm also not sure, it one can say it was abusing, when using it as a "disagree button", as we did not have one.

So, if ZOS doesnt want the people to use "lol" as "disagree" - give us a "disagree"! Beside: Even if they dont want to give us the "lol" back, I want a "disagree".

We arent in kindergarten anymore, let us show, if we dont agree with a posting. And if some are trolling, punish the trolls, not the whole community, by generating an artificial cloud-cuckoo-land in pink, where all love each other and have the same opinion and all opinions are equaly valid, gnnnn...

And no: not all people want to write an answer to a posting they disagree with: not all of us have the time, beside: if english isnt your mothers tongue, a good reply takes even longer. And there is no guarantee that people will actually read up to the replies which tell why a posting is wrong, so having a disagree button would also help the readers of this forum.

just my two cent

timborggrenlarsenb16_ESO · May 2015

No. (Explain below)

No!
To many kids, fan - boys/girls and members that can't get through their head and accept others members meanings on stuff. And will rap that button.