I cancelled my subscription when the game turned B2P.

I have my Tiger and I also play in huge lags in PvP in prime times.

This is enough for me to not keep my sub.

King Bozo wrote: »

I don't think it is worth it but I sub to support the game. I am thinking we will see some good content and changes to improve the game after console launch.

Let me just say this now... You say "support" tell me right now how a multi million dollar company needs support from you and exactly how much value your subscription even is?

NO, better yet, answer me as to WHY you believe you're "supporting" said companies via subscription. Because I know GamersFirst (APB: Reloaded and Fallen Earth), Blizzard (World of Warcraft, Diablo, etc.), Jagex (RuneScape),. Perfect World Entertainment (Perfect World, Jade Dynasty, etc.) of which charge or don't for subscriptions and never would say such a thing as to claim it to be support. So why do you feel such value in your subscription and regardlessly of it, support means something is broken or in need of aid. Why would you do such to a game if it hasn't met your own expectations already?

Molagent wrote: »

For starters you can purchase motifs for real life currencies, and you can pay for it in gold in the game. I've yet to meet a large enough group of people who have multiple crafters that would ever possibly need such a thing as specific as getting extra chances with motifs. That's a rather idiotic thing to even think of. As for veteran rewards, why veteran and define it? Is a veteran level 1 or Veteran Rank 14 or is it the person who has played since Beta/Launch day? Why do you need a better queue time for PvP? Exactly what are you queueing for that could make you so desperate?

What a sniping tone that whole comment has.

What do you mean what is he queueing for?

'Dude. Do you even PVP?'

Islyn wrote: »

Molagent wrote: »

For starters you can purchase motifs for real life currencies, and you can pay for it in gold in the game. I've yet to meet a large enough group of people who have multiple crafters that would ever possibly need such a thing as specific as getting extra chances with motifs. That's a rather idiotic thing to even think of. As for veteran rewards, why veteran and define it? Is a veteran level 1 or Veteran Rank 14 or is it the person who has played since Beta/Launch day? Why do you need a better queue time for PvP? Exactly what are you queueing for that could make you so desperate?

What a sniping tone that whole comment has.

What do you mean what is he queueing for?

'Dude. Do you even PVP?'

Admittedly I haven't been in Cyrodiil since May of launch year. We didn't have queues..Least not to my knowledge, you jumped into any of the campaigns and chances are you'd have met me or someone or group/guild of people giving out commands and organizing the field. Secondly though, if my comment is "sniping" then it's because it is. If you want to say something, at least make a point of interest and conflict with it. Not just say you need more motif chances because god forbid you look in more than 10 chests to get a dwemer motif chapter.. Another thing to Cyrodiil, if you're queueing inside it.. You've already lost in my opinion, because in my times we never did such. You found what was being attacked currently and rushed in. Called out for aid if something was being attacked away from the masses and kept people updated on what's what, eventually ending up in a group within 10 minutes if not less, depending on travel speed and knowledge of Cyrodiil. If that's changed to people idly sitting around picking their noses while they wait to get in a group to PvP then they've already missed the fun and aspect of Cyrodiil's PvP. You either go in prepared, run about looking prepared, or die an idiot.

King Bozo wrote: »

I don't think it is worth it but I sub to support the game. I am thinking we will see some good content and changes to improve the game after console launch.

I've recently unsubbed after the shenanigans with the banner ad advertisement experiment. Not cool in my books. I just have this niggling feeling at the back of my mind that ZOS is going to try to get away with whatever they can. It was only when player protests extended beyond these forums to adversely affect their image, and potential console sales, that they stopped their behavior.

So, I will wait and see how things pan out. As it is now, definitely not worth the money to sub. The only thing coming out of development are Cash Shop products at this point. Let's see what the post console launch brings.

For now, ZOS is on a trial suspension from me. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

Molagent wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Molagent wrote: »

For starters you can purchase motifs for real life currencies, and you can pay for it in gold in the game. I've yet to meet a large enough group of people who have multiple crafters that would ever possibly need such a thing as specific as getting extra chances with motifs. That's a rather idiotic thing to even think of. As for veteran rewards, why veteran and define it? Is a veteran level 1 or Veteran Rank 14 or is it the person who has played since Beta/Launch day? Why do you need a better queue time for PvP? Exactly what are you queueing for that could make you so desperate?

What a sniping tone that whole comment has.

What do you mean what is he queueing for?

'Dude. Do you even PVP?'

Admittedly I haven't been in Cyrodiil since May of launch year. We didn't have queues..Least not to my knowledge, you jumped into any of the campaigns and chances are you'd have met me or someone or group/guild of people giving out commands and organizing the field. Secondly though, if my comment is "sniping" then it's because it is. If you want to say something, at least make a point of interest and conflict with it. Not just say you need more motif chances because god forbid you look in more than 10 chests to get a dwemer motif chapter.. Another thing to Cyrodiil, if you're queueing inside it.. You've already lost in my opinion, because in my times we never did such. You found what was being attacked currently and rushed in. Called out for aid if something was being attacked away from the masses and kept people updated on what's what, eventually ending up in a group within 10 minutes if not less, depending on travel speed and knowledge of Cyrodiil. If that's changed to people idly sitting around picking their noses while they wait to get in a group to PvP then they've already missed the fun and aspect of Cyrodiil's PvP. You either go in prepared, run about looking prepared, or die an idiot.

Also I am not being rude or anything but I really - based on the above - think that you are commenting on the current state of the game without understanding the issues to which we refer. Be number 100+ in a queue just to enter Cyro and then perhaps return with your views.

As to Dwemer pages we are talking hundreds of containers over hours of looking. Not 10.

Finally - the text I set bold - be careful there too. ZOS doesn't allow sniping and baiting in comments.

All the best.

Zathras wrote: »

King Bozo wrote: »

I don't think it is worth it but I sub to support the game. I am thinking we will see some good content and changes to improve the game after console launch.

I've recently unsubbed after the shenanigans with the banner ad advertisement experiment. Not cool in my books. I just have this niggling feeling at the back of my mind that ZOS is going to try to get away with whatever they can. It was only when player protests extended beyond these forums to adversely affect their image, and potential console sales, that they stopped their behavior.

So, I will wait and see how things pan out. As it is now, definitely not worth the money to sub. The only thing coming out of development are Cash Shop products at this point. Let's see what the post console launch brings.

For now, ZOS is on a trial suspension from me. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.

Agreed but i think they said something about that with any luck we should not see it again.

Molagent wrote: »

What franchise, and developers are running this game? Do you really think your subscription or anyone's is that of an investment in which you can claim is support? I think you're too far into the world of KickStarter, Paetron and so on... Do not twist words into higher value that they cannot possibly uphold

If no one paid a sub the game would insufficient financial support and would be closed.

Paying a subscription is supporting the game.

I understand that, game companies understand that, 99% of players understand that.

All The Best

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

I'm not resubbing until Zo$ does 2 things:

- Fix cryodiil lag exploits.
- - Add small scale instanced pvp, be it 2v2, 15v15 or anything in between.

Small scale pvp

Uum i hate to burst your bubble uum you may want to start watching eso live.
They answered this and the answer made a lot of us sad.

Zos reply
"This is not the direction they want for elder scrolls online"

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

If no one paid a sub the game would insufficient financial support and would be closed.
Paying a subscription is supporting the game.
I understand that, game companies understand that, 99% of players understand that.

Glad you understand you own point of view. Doesn't make it universal nor objective truth though.

Paying a subcription increases sales volume. Part of it pays for current expenses of the game, part of it is invested for the future development of the game, rest of it is profit for Zenimax owners whoever they are.

Thus paying a subscription CAN mean supporting the game, CAN also mean increasing profits. It all depends how the company is run and how the money is spread between these three destinations. You know nothing about that.

If it were a charity you would have the right to know about it and there would be legal systems around these choices, but ZOS is not a charity.

As to the first part of your statement, it is also untrue. If noone paid a sub, maybe the games sold PLUS the crown sales would be enough to cover expenses + Investment + profit.
The correct phrasing would be : IF overall sales (subs + games sales + crowns) do not cover overall expenses (current + investment + desired profit) THEN the game will be closed.

Gidorick wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

It's worth it too support the game.

Every time I see this I chuckle.

I have 1 week left until my sub runs out. right now I'm thinking I'm going to unsub at least until the first DLC.

If I'm going to give charity there are those that need it more than Zenimax.

Mine ran out about a week ago. I though I was going to miss the XP boost. Then I remembered that it never really helped in the first place.

nastuug wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

It's worth it too support the game.

Every time I see this I chuckle.

I have 1 week left until my sub runs out. right now I'm thinking I'm going to unsub at least until the first DLC.

If I'm going to give charity there are those that need it more than Zenimax.

Mine ran out about a week ago. I though I was going to miss the XP boost. Then I remembered that it never really helped in the first place.

Hence why it should be upped from 10 to 25 and affect alot more things like cp.
People call it pw2 but i call it support lol.