ESO+: Worth it or Not?

nuclear808

I don't think it's worth it. I quit today due to the damn lag, forever loading screens, pug group for dungeons and absolute crap RNG for undaunted gear...god knows how many times I ran dungeons and pledges only to get jack and the lag just makes it worst.

I hate the fact that I bought the "limited" mount and now deciding to quit. I poured a lot of money into this game hoping that they would fix things but it's just getting worst.

This is just my opinion. For the rest of you deciding to play and stick with it... good luck.

Molagent

Micallef wrote: »

ESO+: Worth it or Not?

Not even close. Add into the mix missing fixes, missing content and past/present corporate (mis-)behavior, I don't expect my opinion to be swayed anytime soon.

Corporate misbehavior? What exactly could make you say such a thing?

Seth_Black wrote: »

From my point of view - YES
For all people who can afford it without any problems and want to support the game.
Bonuses are just ...bonuses. For some too much, for some not enough.
But hey, that's the way world works. It's hard to make everyone happy.
For me it's still the same as it was since launch day ...subscribed to enjoy ESO getting better.
It's more like investment really and for me it was worth every single month paid.
Update 6 is just big proof, that all our sub money went into right places

I personally work as a automotive mechanic. So for me it's not a lack of money, I get by decently. I'm not 30, yet I have a house, car, and dog. I'm not complaining about bills, not married. So I always have some amount of cash to burn. Though I find the prices in terms of Crowns in Zenimax's store is outrageous. 7.99 USD for 750? How many times does any company not sell by values of 5? The random prices, the extremes for motifs, potions, etc. is a corporate stock crashing harder than the plane into the Twin Towers. Sorry to those who've yet to move passed an event that happened now almost two decades ago. Nonetheless, there's no sign of basic marketing skills being shown and it screams out investors are wanting money back and they want it now. I'm honestly wondering if we'll see a major lawsuit happen like we did with EA's Battlefield 4.

Robotmafia wrote: »

well one reason I sub is to continue support them and considering the amount of time we play its not that much money... the small bonuses aren't really worth it... with the pace of content release its most definitely cheaper to just buy the dlcs... but the big problem for them is, if they make the ESO+ more attractive with more benefits they will also increase the P2W factor... the game will be more off balance if the advantages of ESO+ become to powerful

they could gives more crowns... for subbing I kinda expect not to have to buy additional crowns to get atleast most of the stuff in the crown store... maybe not for 1 month of subbing but it should be somewhat worth it... if they start release content every 6 weeks again, subbing would be worth while..

It's for this very reason I made a model for the subscription myself. One that gives players veteran and new an incentive to continue playing longer and want to make new characters and try the other classes and races instead of maxing one out to the absolute max. The longer you play, the longer you play with benefits you sincerely enjoy, the longer you keep the subscription. Simple logic.

Makkir wrote: »

Yes.

Don't be a cheapskate. Cancel HBO (or other activities) if you need the money.
If you love the game, give them the monthly fee so they can continue existing and providing us this game to play.

Grande Communications: Cable Sports package, all footballs American and otherwise, internet = 163.16 USD.
Verizon Wireless: 4GB Data, 2 lines, unlimited talk and text = 97.92 USD (Loyalty discount)
We're looking at over 250.00 USD in cell phone and cable/internet package. If I was a cheapskate, I have an odd way of showing it.

Faugaun wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

That's for each to decide for themselves... but I just don't see the value in ESO+.

This and hence why subs are so dam low zeni time to answer the forums lol.

How do you know sub's are low?

If 50% dropped their sub and population doubled and the returning peeps sub at 50% then sub's are =.....but since only zeni knows the numbers, unless you work there you do not know.

I think they have gained a lot of players recently and it seems to be continuing. My evidence is from the observation of more players in the game. More activity in zone channels. The pugs I meet there is always someone else in the 4 man group besides me with esoplus ...now my sample size sucks but since it's all the ingame data I have it puts sub rates at greater than 33% of the population that groups. Then there is increased google search activity:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=/m/0jt2y_q&cmpt=q&tz=

This next link hopefully it will take you to the report but idk you can surf and find info manually if not:

http://www.spyfu.com/seo/competitors/domain/elderscrollsonline.com

It shows info similar to google but from an independent source.

You can make your own conclusions

Well you may see an increase, but I see a stock value tanking beyond any chance for a possible recovery, but while they may be on the rise..There is no evidence to provide or show promise to continue such in a timely fashion that could raise stock values in the company or provide us with anything other than a company soon to admit defeat.

Ley wrote: »

Seems like some people forget exactly how buggy the game was at launch, bots and gold spammers ran rampant, game had a lot of issues. I keep seeing players complain that they don't fix bugs, news flash, they do, they just haven't managed to fix every single bug yet.

I haven't forgotten for a moment....How could anyone?

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

Ive been the biggest eso supporter and fan boy since the legal beta. Even this past year paying for this lie to me about everything beta. But no the sub is not even close to worth it. The XP gain isn't significant enough. The crowns are a joke and what is killing the game. There's no content anywhere on the horizon. So say you pay for eso plus for 7 months. A dlc comes out and youre like yeah I finally got my moneys worth.. Nope you dont own that dlc. So if your sub lapses, boom you cant play it. You paid 15$ for x amount of months and you don't "own" the dlc you've been paying for. Yet some casual who plops down 20$ for only the dlc owns it for life. How is that fair? 1500 crowns a month? For what? The same dog model they keep re releasing with a new color? A leopard mount that is the exact same model as the tiger for 25$? Lol. And now they think paying real money for respecs and motifs is a cool thing to release. This is the stuff they work on instead of giving us players some new content. The people who have cleared and done everything in the game about 4 months ago. I had hoped tamriel unlimited was coming with some new content but since all they came out with was more shady money making ploys, my eso + will be expiring and I too will become a casual. And more then likely go check out another mmo while I wait for new content. That's my rant. I'm sure ZOS will delete it in about 10 minutes. Hope someone reads it

Well now who is to say they will take upon what EA and the Call of Duty series likes to do? As of now there is no information on what exactly is "DLC" in an MMO, to anyone who's played such the answer is completely unknown. We've never heard of DLC, only expansions and content patches. Will Cyrodiil's Imperial City and Imperial Daedric be the first of DLC content and will it be available for a lifetime purchase? Completely unknown. I think that unknown has you more on edge than anything. I do understand the frustration you have with their additions to the Crown Store. Though I'm looking at from a price stand point and a major lack of information of the purchases and a value to them.

nuclear808 wrote: »

I don't think it's worth it. I quit today due to the damn lag, forever loading screens, pug group for dungeons and absolute crap RNG for undaunted gear...god knows how many times I ran dungeons and pledges only to get jack and the lag just makes it worst.

I hate the fact that I bought the "limited" mount and now deciding to quit. I poured a lot of money into this game hoping that they would fix things but it's just getting worst.

This is just my opinion. For the rest of you deciding to play and stick with it... good luck.

Sorry to hear it.

Wineburg_Graves

No. I subscribed when there was a subscription, even when the game was still much inferior, if we compare it with its actual state. But that's it. ZOS wasn't honest with their customers. This change was planned all along - before the launch, one of the devs let slipp a comment about a in-game shop, but then he just blamed the translator, because we was being interviewd by a German media. Anyway... And now with this shop announcements in-game... In a year or two, will we have video commercials in our games? They already exist in mobile games and pc games are starting to copy so many things from them, who knows...

Molagent

@adamastorx
Got proof of that? Don't blame a game developer for plummeting stock values, and horrible marketing ploys. Blame people who abuse the term free-to-play.

Micallef

@Molagent either you're new here, you're a ZOS-apologist or you're being purposely obtuse. Whatever the case may be, all you need to know is right here on the forums for your perusal.
You sound exactly like someone else on here; thank goodness the 'ignore' did not go the way of the 'disagree' and the 'lol'.

Molagent

@Micallef
I've constantly put out the fact I played Beta, and pre-ordered Imperial Edition. When we found (those who pre-ordered), Imperial Edition owners, were later to find you could simply upgrade your game to our edition and then later even the explorer pack, we were furious. Okay I can see the sense of giving the Imperial Race, but the mount, Pledges of Mara, and choose any race/faction should have been kept ours. Even more so now I'd figure since even the explorer's pack completely destroys us. Yet adds more cash in bonus to them.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE ZENIMAX HAS UNOFFICIALLY REDUCED THE CONTENTS OF THE PRE-ORDER BONUSES.

While nothing major.. Who cares? I still want to be able to change who the hell is on the other end of my Mara Rings. The change specifically was that we no longer receive 2 Pledges of Mara, but one. The only thing currently (and probably soon to change if it hasn't already) that pre-orderers still have that's exclusive is our pet. The Scuttler. I know the Pledges of Mara changed because when I played in Early Access we all had our two. I decided to give PTS a try, and guess what's missing? Again, not a major thing. But I had no notice in my mailbox or otherwise that had any statement of which that my pre-order bonus was changed at some point after launch.

Do I support Zenimax?
I'm sorry what? I stopped playing the game on May 10th. A day before my birthday. Why, simple, didn't care to have the year tarnished further. I refuse to believe Bethesda had any major say in the game's development and process, we were virtually blocked from playing the full story quest line in Beta. No one knew that this was the aftermath product. Then only to be riddled with teleporting hacking bots and players, the endless gold spammers were so bad ZENIMAX ACTUALLY MADE MOD SUPPORT FOR A SPAM FILTER. Instead of simply taking names and banning them outright, took them awhile to figure out they could do that. Not to mention the economy destruction which I'm rather surprised to see has had a comeback in a way I could never predict. Imperial motif costs more than daedric.. Dwemer added, and sectioned off for no reason whatsoever but can run upwards of 150K on the US servers. Things have dramatically changed...Seeing bosses no longer farmed, I don't even know how to get Soul Gems now. You can't really farm any original good places because they were all nerfed and those who are keen to farming aren't so interested in having you tag along like before. The grouping system oddly is barely used anymore if at all.. People seem more interested in PvP then PvE... Can't say I blame them once you kill Molag Bal and suddenly the world is safe? BUT there's still anchors coming down anyways because....? Anyone? Yeah I thought so...

Molagent

I have one truly major issue with Zenimax and it's annoying choices to squeeze money from this game. Why does ESO+ suck, why is it so incredibly generic and not relatively beneficial to all players PvE or PvP, and finally, why on earth is customer support more worried about removing posts they find offensive then answering players with legitimate questions? I could keep going too.. I'd rather not. I can't forgive the rollback and ban waves coming so incredibly late after launch. No one would have let that carry on for longer than 72 hours at an absolute max if Blizzard, Valve, EA, etc. found out about such things they'd be destroyed within 24 hours.

Awful business, Zenimax.

Micallef

@Molagent then we are in agreement. I think ...

Sevalaricgirl

I'm in the no category for this reason....

DLC: Once they release it, you have access to it until you let your membership lapse for any reason then you are not. I'd rather buy the DLC and make sure I always have it.

XP boost: 10% is minimal.

I've spent about a 6 month sub price in the crown store in the last two months. As long as they keep putting out fun stuff, I'll keep buying it. I'm glad they went B2P.

Lauradana

Short answer NO, cancelled all 4 of our subs as not worth it.

Sindala

Came back for the weekend....still has the same bugs as 5 months ago when I quit. Plus a lot more now and glad to see the huge gold exploit is still in-game. Lol they haven't got a clue at coding, they should re-hire the people they sacked as it's obvious that's where the brains were.
Can't wait for console release as i'm in need of a real good laugh.

Seth_Black

Sindala wrote: »

Came back for the weekend....still has the same bugs as 5 months ago when I quit. Plus a lot more now and glad to see the huge gold exploit is still in-game. Lol they haven't got a clue at coding, they should re-hire the people they sacked as it's obvious that's where the brains were.
Can't wait for console release as i'm in need of a real good laugh.

So maybe YOU should apply for the job then?
If your claims are valid they MUST be (obviously) based on yours YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ...right?
Maybe you want to share with us some of yours biggest 'coding' achievements?
C'mon! I DARE YOU

Dragsooth

There's definitely not enough rewards for subbing, but with the bugs and crashes plaguing the game at the moment. Might not be worth it, if at all.

JWKe

I really doubt whatever we say or do will not be able to steer the direction of ZOS. Right now, all we can do is to wait until console releases and see where things go from there.

Alleon

I say if you want to buy crown its better to get them with ESO plus. But if you're not into crown stuff then sadly it's not worth getting.

b92303008rwb17_ESO

I found the 10% experience bonus a little bit annoying at times. It's not that I am being ungrateful but, as a map completionist, I have to avoid unnecessary killing as much as possible to not outlevel the current quest zone. I hope they can make it a toggled buff, specifically for bonus experience only.

Alleon

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I found the 10% experience bonus a little bit annoying at times. It's not that I am being ungrateful but, as a map completionist, I have to avoid unnecessary killing as much as possible to not outlevel the current quest zone. I hope they can make it a toggled buff, specifically for bonus experience only.

And if you overlevel zone what exactly happens? I do it all the time, in fact I've just went to reaper's march with level 48. Map and quest collectors will have fun anyway.

Molagent

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I found the 10% experience bonus a little bit annoying at times. It's not that I am being ungrateful but, as a map completionist, I have to avoid unnecessary killing as much as possible to not outlevel the current quest zone. I hope they can make it a toggled buff, specifically for bonus experience only.

This is just something I've never understood. Why would you be upset that you've leveled? Do the dungeons as soon as they become available and then keep doing quests. That's how I leveled back then and got my Dominion Hero. Now since vet dungeons are completely scaled I can realistically do any of them which is really nice.

@Sevalaricgirl
I'd rather just wait and see what DLC even is... Who's to say we'll get something like Craglorn, and who's to say it won't be something that breaks or limits the game. Example being RuneScape. To even see the full game you absolutely had to become a member as it took away more than half the skills, the best way to make money (thievery + alchemy) and so on. Who's to say they won't decide to say DLC is cosmetics? No one knows and it's infuriating to not know such an important detail to a game you played. What if Call of Duty or Battlefield did such a thing?

Lithium Flower

I wrote a similar reply in another thread but I'll reiterate again.

"Is ESO+ worth it?" asks the OP but what is 'it' in this context? It is the perceived value against the amount of investment.

ESO+ gets you:-

1500 Crowns
10% Character Progression (XP, Inspiration, Gold)
Access to DLC, if any.

ESO+ costs about 15 USD. For 15 USD you get 1500 Crowns that otherwise cost you 1 USD for 100. So ESO+ is essentially a purchase of 1500 crowns from ZOS for a sum of 15 USD (less if you buy in more quantity). And in this sense there is no loss incurred by a subscriber. 15 USD buys you 1500 crowns whether in a CrownPack or through ESO+ subscription.

But ESO+ doesn't stop there. In addition to that, you get 10% character progression and DLC access in the future. This is above, beyond and in addition to 1500 crowns which is the actual value you get against your 15 USD purchase. We can think of this as a 'Thank You Perk Package', a small complimentary pack for paying for a set number of crowns per month in advance. Subscribing to ESO+ is a pledge to buy a set amount of crowns and you get a thank you.

The one thing ESO+ is NOT is a means of creating a special class of players who are more entitled than others. This is not a Special Snowflake Club Membership.

We ALL paid for the right to play the game when we purchased it. Every person who is playing ESO right now is entitled to the exact same experience. One year ago, some of us paid for the privilege of playing the game instead of crowns. We were distinct from those who had purchased the game and yet not subscribed. Today, we pay 15 USD for 1500 crowns to spend in the store and that's it.

ESO+ members are materially no different than 'Shornhelm Shepard Owners of ESO' or 'Banded Guar Riders of Ebonhart Faction' and no more entitled to any further privileges.

We all have equal access to PvP, PVE, Champion System, quality of life features like character slots, guild slots, chance at rare items and any other content included in the base game. We have the same right to enjoy the game free of lags, disconnections, bugs, exploits and unfair advantages.

The only additional value you can purchase in connection with ESO is crowns to spend in the store for cosmetic items and minor conveniences. If those things interest you enough to spend 15 USD or more in a month - ESO+ is a no-brainer. If you are willing to pay 15 USD for the 'perk package' - that's great, in that case you get 1500 Crowns as additional value. Either way, you are getting more than what 15 USD would buy you otherwise in the bethesda store.

Asking for in-game advantages attached to ESO+ membership is asking for an unfair advantage. Why should an ESO+ member be entitled to a better game experience than someone who bought a 5500 crownpack? Should 'Wedding Dress Owners' be entitled to PvP queue priority? If you buy an item in the store - you are entitled to that item, no less and definitely not more.

It's perfectly fine to ask for design changes, or a better experience or more features - elimination of lags, bugs, rebalances and Quality of Life changes - but we ought to ask for such things as a single class of players.

Associating the redress of general grievances with the Crownstore is pushing the developers towards Pay2Win. It's asking for the monetization of Quality of Life changes which should come as part of the base game - not something you can purchase in the cash shop.

Sausage

No its not, but I plan to give them full year when next major content patch comes.

Molagent

Lithium Flower wrote: »

...The one thing ESO+ is NOT is a means of creating a special class of players who are more entitled than others. This is not a Special Snowflake Club Membership.

We ALL paid for the right to play the game when we purchased it. Every person who is playing ESO right now is entitled to the exact same experience. One year ago, some of us paid for the privilege of playing the game instead of crowns. We were distinct from those who had purchased the game and yet not subscribed. Today, we pay 15 USD for 1500 crowns to spend in the store and that's it.

ESO+ members are materially no different than 'Shornhelm Shepard Owners of ESO' or 'Banded Guar Riders of Ebonhart Faction' and no more entitled to any further privileges.

We all have equal access to PvP, PVE, Champion System, quality of life features like character slots, guild slots, chance at rare items and any other content included in the base game. We have the same right to enjoy the game free of lags, disconnections, bugs, exploits and unfair advantages.

The only additional value you can purchase in connection with ESO is crowns to spend in the store for cosmetic items and minor conveniences. If those things interest you enough to spend 15 USD or more in a month - ESO+ is a no-brainer. If you are willing to pay 15 USD for the 'perk package' - that's great, in that case you get 1500 Crowns as additional value. Either way, you are getting more than what 15 USD would buy you otherwise in the bethesda store.

Asking for in-game advantages attached to ESO+ membership is asking for an unfair advantage. Why should an ESO+ member be entitled to a better game experience than someone who bought a 5500 crownpack? Should 'Wedding Dress Owners' be entitled to PvP queue priority? If you buy an item in the store - you are entitled to that item, no less and definitely not more.

It's perfectly fine to ask for design changes, or a better experience or more features - elimination of lags, bugs, rebalances and Quality of Life changes - but we ought to ask for such things as a single class of players.

Associating the redress of general grievances with the Crownstore is pushing the developers towards Pay2Win. It's asking for the monetization of Quality of Life changes which should come as part of the base game - not something you can purchase in the cash shop.

Let's start on the simple topic.. ESO+ not being a special thing. The reality is it is, it allows a player to have access to certain things others do no. It is a V.I.P. subscription. There is no knowledge as of yet because Zenimax refuses to confirm their own rumors or deny them towards DLC or if it will even exist. So since the relaunch of ESO:TU there's been no news to such other than it will come. Not when or of anything possible to what. Nonetheless, all this content is premium and only accessible to those who are subscribed. That IS your "Special Snowflake Club Membership" that's practically definition.

We do not have equal access to PvP or PvE content either, gold gain and crafting trait research timers. We never agreed to a game that would be lagless or good in FPS. Don't expect such a thing. We just assume they can deliver such a product because of how game engines like Unity have progressed as of late. Simple things should be exceptionally eased for developers yet no engine is perfect nor can adapt to every developer's desires.

There's already problems with the so called "1,500 crowns upon subscription" with the fact apparently such is not an automated response and given, but actually on a scheduled path which has major conflicts of interest as is. Secondly while the costs may be the same, not everyone is looking to become a member. Most simply want maybe 1-5 things, especially with the mass fiasco that occurred on Launch with those who bought and pre-ordered the game. A lot of faith and trust was lost in this company so anything related to extension of subscriptions has been severely tarnished. I personally would never subscribed for the reason of launch day.

Why on earth would you make a stupid comment as someone with a costume deserves better queues? It doesn't hold relevance or sense. Many games with subscription plans have prioritized queues from customer support to actual matchmaking. I'm not sure you welly understand your own thoughts and process that or you haven't played as long as someone like myself or other Beta players or those who played during launch and after. Pay-to-win would be and should be their next move because the game is tanking. The ability to level from 1-50 and VR1-14 are completely different, horrible sights to casuals, fine to those who don't mind it. Grinding/farming/mob blending(grinding) has entirely changed as well. There's major flaws where their shouldn't be, ones that break the game. From the few teleporting bots I see, to the story itself.

Mettaricana

basically no i dont see any difference small or otherwise in my exp and gold gains 10% on 10 gold oh man that whopping 1g extra... and a million exp per vet level 10% really doesnt shine

Molagent

@Mettaricana
And that's why I went about creating a new ESO subscription even though I know Zenimax will never see it. They ought to know if they really want people spending time and cash on their game they need something more attractive to a casual gamer, farmer, merchants, and the hardcore addicts.

ChampionSheWolf

Haxnschwammer wrote: »

Eso +? Hell, No!
I was a forced + member, No Refunds!
I would've loved to cancel my sub the second they announced they go down the F2P road.
Eso plus is definitely not worth it.

Good thing ESO didn't go the F2P road then.

Molagent

ChampionSheWolf wrote: »

Haxnschwammer wrote: »

Eso +? Hell, No!
I was a forced + member, No Refunds!
I would've loved to cancel my sub the second they announced they go down the F2P road.
Eso plus is definitely not worth it.

Good thing ESO didn't go the F2P road then.

Funny when they try pulling technicalities isn't it?

Mettaricana

once vr 14 on my new main im done with sub unless they make it rain!

haileyjschmidtub17_ESO

Basically I saw it as 15 dollars gets me the crowns to get my outfits and kitties or it gives me crowns plus bonuses.
I subbed cause it was a better investment at the time. When I run out of things to buy with crowns I'll likely un-sub.

WrathOfRegicide

I honestly don't think its worth it. The main reason for getting ESO+ is to have access to the new content that comes out, and seeing as there hasn't been any new content or will be any new content until the release of eso on the console; it will not be worth it until then. This is just my personal opinion others may have different opinions and I respect that.

RoamingRiverElk

Basically, I subscribe because I want to support the game I play a lot. But I can certainly see how people wouldn't find the rewards for subbing worth it, if they just look at what they get for it.

And, no, I don't want subscribers to get a bigger xp gain bonus than they already have.

titanofdoom

At the time of writing this as a subscriber I can honestly convey to you, it is not worth your time subscribing concurrently.

10% extra XP is measly and unrewarding.

When the DLC arrive, I will subscribe again.