ESO+: Worth it or Not?

MCMancub

Knootewoot wrote: »

- a pat on the shoulder once in a while

Can't say I agree with this one. Plenty of B2P players spend way more than subscribers do.

Ley

Seems like some people forget exactly how buggy the game was at launch, bots and gold spammers ran rampant, game had a lot of issues. I keep seeing players complain that they don't fix bugs, news flash, they do, they just haven't managed to fix every single bug yet.

Heromofo

Faugaun wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

That's for each to decide for themselves... but I just don't see the value in ESO+.

This and hence why subs are so dam low zeni time to answer the forums lol.

How do you know sub's are low?

If 50% dropped their sub and population doubled and the returning peeps sub at 50% then sub's are =.....but since only zeni knows the numbers, unless you work there you do not know.

I think they have gained a lot of players recently and it seems to be continuing. My evidence is from the observation of more players in the game. More activity in zone channels. The pugs I meet there is always someone else in the 4 man group besides me with esoplus ...now my sample size sucks but since it's all the ingame data I have it puts sub rates at greater than 33% of the population that groups. Then there is increased google search activity:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=/m/0jt2y_q&cmpt=q&tz=

This next link hopefully it will take you to the report but idk you can surf and find info manually if not:

http://www.spyfu.com/seo/competitors/domain/elderscrollsonline.com

It shows info similar to google but from an independent source.

You can make your own conclusions

You dont go down the b2p path with a crown store if your subs are holding well lol.

MissBizz

I subscribe using the 6 month plan. I currently do subscribe and plan on continuing to do so.

XP Bonus
I'm kind of "meh" about this. This is not due to me thinking it is not enough. I actually wildly overlevel the content on my main character and almost wish I could turn it off. On the other hand, I do enjoy I get this small boost while playing on my alts who I do not play immersively, as well I'm sure I will appreciate when I am VR14 (VR9 currently) and really just need XP for CP, and no longer worry about overlevelling.

Crown Bonus
I enjoy this, although it may not be a huge amount, the amount of crowns you receive for each month subscribed is equal in paying for crowns in the same crown pack size. This alone makes me feel like I am just paying for crowns and get the other extras at a cherry on the top. I do like that as a subscriber I get this, so I don't feel like I am having to pay twice (sub and crown store). Sure it may not be enough sometimes, and for some people, but I like it.

Crafting Research
As someone with 9/9 on woodworking, and working on my 9th trait on the other 2 crafts, I am stoked with this. I personally love this addition more than the XP bonus. Although, this becomes useless once you are 9/9.. until they add another trait of course.

Rental DLC
I was fine when this was a full subscription game. In my eyes, if I don't play enough to be willing to pay a monthly fee, I obviously am not playing at all, or surely do not play enough to need to have the available DLC's.

Crafting Inspiration and Gold Gain
I do not have issues with gold anymore, so this a meh. Although, every bit helps. As for inspiration, I have a character with every craft already maxed, so I don't need it. It is nice when levelling up alchemy/provisioning on alts for the "lasts longer" passive though.

All in all, I'm happy with the current perks. As I mentioned, I feel as if I'm paying for the crowns and getting the rest as extra's anyways.

Naivefanboi

gregaw_ESO wrote: »

At least ESO+ gives you what you paid for in crowns+ xp bonus. I would have never subbed in a game like lotro where they would only give you 500 per month and that game is about as P2W as it gets.

Bottom line: If they get their glitches fixed and make this a solid game, then yes, I would get ESO+.

Trikki wrote: »

Pretty simple from a PVP perspective, they give us nothing, we give them nothing.

Ley wrote: »

Seems like some people forget exactly how buggy the game was at launch, bots and gold spammers ran rampant, game had a lot of issues. I keep seeing players complain that they don't fix bugs, news flash, they do, they just haven't managed to fix every single bug yet.

How ever you gotta justify it lol. Theres still bugs from beta so kind of a moot point.
We dont expect every single bug fixed or it fixed instantly, but atleast fix them at some point

Fruity_Ninja

When do we get the 1500 crowns for that first month of sub post-patch? It's been a month hasn't it?

I still haven't received any since the initial allotment handed out upon the patch...

H3Li0S

When ESO gets release on console i will be subbing for 180 days, il support ESO, id probably buy crowns anyway. If theres nothing interesting on the crown store at that time and they don't do anything to give more stuff to ESO+ members, i wont be subbing after the 180 days and i will spend the crowns i saved on DLC and won't ever sub again.

I give them 180 days to fix their *** which is more than enough.

Dedhed

It's good for leveling. As I don't like out leveling quest areas, that's not a draw for me.

The pluses to crafting are nice, though.

Most likely I'm going to be spending money in the crown store each month anyway, but I don't need money automatically going to the game, personally. Therefore, I've unsubbed so that it takes a bit more thought and effort to spend money.

Snit

No.

I'm subbed, and I'll stay subbed as long as I play. I support products I like. From a strict value-for-money, though, TESO's subscriber plan has less value than any other in games I have played. They're so cautious about accusations of P2W, they've drawn the line at Pay-To-Pay.

I'm happy with the game, so I'm happy to give them money. But that's the only reason I do.

HeroOfNone

Until dlc comes put I'm feeling a bit of the dullness of the ESO+ membership. I'm not getting the full value of being able to get DLC content without purchase. The bonuses are alright, but don't change a lot in my game, which is good I suppose that it's making it a bypass to the content.

a few things they could add:

- 10% to 20% faster horse training
- Once a month codes for friends to try out ESO during a special trial weekend (rather than just inviting beta players) or discount codes to buy the game
- 10% to 20% reduced repair cost, to go with the champion passive
- Daily and weeklies can be repeated a 2nd times. 2 daily vetran pledges, 2 normal dungeon pledges, 2 writs a craft, 2 trial quests a week.
- reduced cost on PVP gear (notice NO increase on AP gain)
- weekly or monthly "surprise" chests mailed to you with various crafting supplies for each consecutive month subscribed, a replacement for loyalty rewards.


These are just some suggestions though, not really balanced and are only to bridge the gap between DLC releases, the real reason some of us subscribe.

MornaBaine

Right now i see NO real value to ESO Plus and I say this as an early access player who has never missed a month of subbing and, for now, continues to maintain my sub. It honestly feels pretty worthless to me at present.

Kurimugann

Not worth it YET, not stopping me from playing though.

At least until ES6 shows up, if ever.

Once DLCs show up and that i find some time for ESO (at the expense of the other games I play I suppose) then I'll reconsider accordingly to DLC prices and the "Is that DLC worth keeping" factor. I am not a PvP person, I always end up teaming up and fighting *** who call me names and value their rating over the potential of breaking a depressed person's heart, it<s people like them that made me into a depressed person who hate everyone at first glace. Still if others like PvP then do your thing (fighting and complaining about lack of good content) I just hope they never give you the means to boast about how you are so great and how everyone else is lame all over the server.

If they do, I will screenshot it and report you.

Chillic

Yes, I am about to drop $16 on lunch and that will be *** out in a few hours.

Bouvin

Totally not worth it.

Basically it's $15 a month for a 10% xp and gold boost.

Ya, you could just stockpile crowns for DLC.. but who knows how long until DLC actually arrives. The only content they've release was Craglorn which was supposed to be in at launch but got delayed.

In a year they've basically release NO CONTENT. So who knows how long it will take before they actually have DLC.

Bouvin

Faugaun wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

That's for each to decide for themselves... but I just don't see the value in ESO+.

This and hence why subs are so dam low zeni time to answer the forums lol.

How do you know sub's are low?

LOL.. watching guild's empty out and become completely inactive is generally a good sign that people aren't playing.

Dead zone.. also a good sign.

At launch you couldn't even complete a lot of quests without waiting for respawn because there were so many people in zones.

Now it's almost rare to see someone else in the same area you are questing in.

At launch we had 10+ PvP Campaigns, with most of them pop-locked. And that's when the pop-lock cap was 3x higher. Now we are down to 4 vet, 1 not vet, and generally you'll only have 1 or 2 factions pop-locked.

It's pretty obvious... not only are subs way down but the number of people actually playing the game is way down.

Ley

Naivefanboi wrote: »

gregaw_ESO wrote: »

At least ESO+ gives you what you paid for in crowns+ xp bonus. I would have never subbed in a game like lotro where they would only give you 500 per month and that game is about as P2W as it gets.

Bottom line: If they get their glitches fixed and make this a solid game, then yes, I would get ESO+.

Trikki wrote: »

Pretty simple from a PVP perspective, they give us nothing, we give them nothing.

Ley wrote: »

Seems like some people forget exactly how buggy the game was at launch, bots and gold spammers ran rampant, game had a lot of issues. I keep seeing players complain that they don't fix bugs, news flash, they do, they just haven't managed to fix every single bug yet.

How ever you gotta justify it lol. Theres still bugs from beta so kind of a moot point.
We dont expect every single bug fixed or it fixed instantly, but atleast fix them at some point

Your last statement somewhat contradicts itself, you say you don't expect them to have every bug fixed but complain that they don't yet have every bug fixed. They have been fixing bugs every patch, they will at some point, that points simply hasn't arrived yet.

Faugaun

MCMancub wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

- a pat on the shoulder once in a while

Can't say I agree with this one. Plenty of B2P players spend way more than subscribers do.

Plenty of subscribers buy more than just their sub also???

Heromofo wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

That's for each to decide for themselves... but I just don't see the value in ESO+.

This and hence why subs are so dam low zeni time to answer the forums lol.

How do you know sub's are low?

If 50% dropped their sub and population doubled and the returning peeps sub at 50% then sub's are =.....but since only zeni knows the numbers, unless you work there you do not know.

I think they have gained a lot of players recently and it seems to be continuing. My evidence is from the observation of more players in the game. More activity in zone channels. The pugs I meet there is always someone else in the 4 man group besides me with esoplus ...now my sample size sucks but since it's all the ingame data I have it puts sub rates at greater than 33% of the population that groups. Then there is increased google search activity:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=/m/0jt2y_q&amp;cmpt=q&amp;tz=

This next link hopefully it will take you to the report but idk you can surf and find info manually if not:

http://www.spyfu.com/seo/competitors/domain/elderscrollsonline.com

It shows info similar to google but from an independent source.

You can make your own conclusions

You dont go down the b2p path with a crown store if your subs are holding well lol.

Unless you had failed negotiations with Microsoft and or Sony? Still there are other reasonable explanations and no official statements.

Fruity_Ninja wrote: »

When do we get the 1500 crowns for that first month of sub post-patch? It's been a month hasn't it?

I still haven't received any since the initial allotment handed out upon the patch...

I get mine in two weeks.

zdkazz

not worth it at all, and if the dlc is moderately priced at like 20 or 25(which it better be) then there will never be a point to it unless you like to buy every pet ever

Obscure

When you say "worth it" define "it". What metric are you using? "It" could be money, and if that's what anyone is using to measure, it is absolutely not worth "it". Go browse steam every month and search the $15 and under list, and I garuntee you a whole triple A title will be there for you to pour hours upon hours into, every month, for the rest of your natural born life. That's WAY more content than ZOS or any studio on the planet can produce in a month.

If "it" is money, the answer is virtually self evident...

"It" has to be something completely different than money to give ESO+ any value whatsoever. Is "it" that new mount you just got? Is "it" those champion points you gained faster? Is "it" feeling like you're contributing to the business in hopes they can make ESO better than the stagnant pool of bugs, grind, and repetitive content that it is presently?

First, define "it", then you can determine if ESO+ is presenting an appropriate value proposition in that regard. If anyone thinks its worth the money though, they are simply wrong. Justify it however you want, I know I do, but I suffer myself no delusions that it's not worth the money. I'm quite fond of my Nightmare Courser, and any other animals ZOS would like to light on fire or maybe even cause to explode I will also enjoy to obtain via crowns from my ESO+ sub...subjective justifications do not need to be rational and are always worth it... if it pleased me to commission the construction of a 14 foot tall rainbow unicorn pegasus on my front lawn it's entirely my prerogative, and whether that's fiscally "worth it" or not is kinda irrelevant.

lihentian

Molagent wrote: »

Why on earth would such a thing be part of membership? You'd extend levels only to get champion points?

Some ask why, i ask why not.. it seem potent enough to me~~~ I just start recently, and i must admit it help me greatly on reach level 50.. doing my vr level now

p.s. if you don't think it is worth it, you don't have to sub.. if you expect p2w, it might not be healthy for the game.. what i like to see is free repair and free teleport~~ those would make me want to continue sub.


edit: just know this, every penny you spend in this game will speed up their development.. and thus make the game better for everyone. So if you can spare the money, and like to support the game. go ahead.. if you are short on cash then just drop sub and go b2p.

Makkir

Naivefanboi wrote: »

Makkir wrote: »

Yes.

Don't be a cheapskate. Cancel HBO (or other activities) if you need the money.
If you love the game, give them the monthly fee so they can continue existing and providing us this game to play.

No im done rewarding poor performance. They want money? Fix Cyrodil, add content. Fix bugs that have been around since beta.
Not make leopards tigers and banekins

Might pay for imperial city, idk will if it sounds worth it, will wait to see if it runs first lol

How much content and development you think they can provide without generating revenue?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

Makkir

Bouvin wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

That's for each to decide for themselves... but I just don't see the value in ESO+.

This and hence why subs are so dam low zeni time to answer the forums lol.

How do you know sub's are low?

LOL.. watching guild's empty out and become completely inactive is generally a good sign that people aren't playing.

Dead zone.. also a good sign.

At launch you couldn't even complete a lot of quests without waiting for respawn because there were so many people in zones.

Now it's almost rare to see someone else in the same area you are questing in.

At launch we had 10+ PvP Campaigns, with most of them pop-locked. And that's when the pop-lock cap was 3x higher. Now we are down to 4 vet, 1 not vet, and generally you'll only have 1 or 2 factions pop-locked.

It's pretty obvious... not only are subs way down but the number of people actually playing the game is way down.

WoW has a ton of dead zones too but not indicative of a dead game. Once they surpass content in certain zones they server no purpose any further. Check out the main cities. They are always loaded with people.

Not sure what game you are playing. I would personally appreciate it if you and your groupies wouldn't spread propaganda on the forums though for the sake of the players who still do play and want to enjoy the experience.

AH93

For me, no, paying the subscription is not worth it. The quality of content present is not good enough to warrant a fee, in my opinion.

Faugaun

lihentian wrote: »

Molagent wrote: »

Why on earth would such a thing be part of membership? You'd extend levels only to get champion points?

Some ask why, i ask why not.. it seem potent enough to me~~~ I just start recently, and i must admit it help me greatly on reach level 50.. doing my vr level now

p.s. if you don't think it is worth it, you don't have to sub.. if you expect p2w, it might not be healthy for the game.. what i like to see is free repair and free teleport~~ those would make me want to continue sub.


edit: just know this, every penny you spend in this game will speed up their development.. and thus make the game better for everyone. So if you can spare the money, and like to support the game. go ahead.. if you are short on cash then just drop sub and go b2p.

Some of those pennies goto investor pockets

c.p.garrett1993_ESO

It gives you the equivalent in crowns (1500) plus 10% towards character progression and access to all DLC for the duration of your subscription. It's certainly acceptable.

I do not find it worth it, though, as I will rarely be using the crown store. I also find the 10% bonus practically useless and the DLC is still up to pure rumor and conjecture. On the surface it's a decent deal but breaking it down it's rendered practically useless at this time. If you're into using the crown shop you will get more per dollar buying them directly at higher amounts.

DeathDealer19

Ive been the biggest eso supporter and fan boy since the legal beta. Even this past year paying for this lie to me about everything beta. But no the sub is not even close to worth it. The XP gain isn't significant enough. The crowns are a joke and what is killing the game. There's no content anywhere on the horizon. So say you pay for eso plus for 7 months. A dlc comes out and youre like yeah I finally got my moneys worth.. Nope you dont own that dlc. So if your sub lapses, boom you cant play it. You paid 15$ for x amount of months and you don't "own" the dlc you've been paying for. Yet some casual who plops down 20$ for only the dlc owns it for life. How is that fair? 1500 crowns a month? For what? The same dog model they keep re releasing with a new color? A leopard mount that is the exact same model as the tiger for 25$? Lol. And now they think paying real money for respecs and motifs is a cool thing to release. This is the stuff they work on instead of giving us players some new content. The people who have cleared and done everything in the game about 4 months ago. I had hoped tamriel unlimited was coming with some new content but since all they came out with was more shady money making ploys, my eso + will be expiring and I too will become a casual. And more then likely go check out another mmo while I wait for new content. That's my rant. I'm sure ZOS will delete it in about 10 minutes. Hope someone reads it

H3Li0S

Well ESO+ worth it for me, if the game keep me away from bars on weekend im actually saving a *** load of $ even if i sub.

c.p.garrett1993_ESO

H3Li0S wrote: »

Well ESO+ worth it for me, if the game keep me out of bars on weekend im actually saving a *** load of $ even if i sub.

If that's your one and only reason it seems you just have an issue controlling your spending.

Legedric

Many of you already mentioned that they think about resubbing for a prioirity queue system for ESO+ members, so why not support this thread for this specific topic?

Thread:
Request: Priority queue for ESO+ members

Ysne58

My sub is not up until the end of May. I haven't decided whether it's worth it to me to renew or not.