ESO+: Worth it or Not?

Molagent

For those who don't know ESO Plus (ESO+) is a free to choose subscription plan for the game The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited. It has the following perks as of 04/21/2015:

1. Exclusive DLC(Downloaded Content) access for the time of membership.
2. 1,500 Crowns per month of subscription. (If subscribed for 2 months, 3,000 crowns and so on.)
3. 10% Bonus gold gain, experience, crafting research, and crafting inspiration.

For those with Imperial Edition or who've bought and performed the Pledges of Mara, yes the Ring of Mara experience boost will stack with the ESO Plus subscription bonus. As for gold gain, it is applied to loot from chests, bosses, quest rewards (NOT Cyrodiil campaign), npcs, citizens stolen or slain, etc. it does not though apply to vendors in any transaction sale or purchase.
Sources:

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https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/26345/kw/10%25%20bonus
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/27848/kw/10%25%20bonus
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/26771/kw/10%25%20bonus

For those of you who've played games for years, how copy and paste does this subscription plan sound? Pretty bad, decent, considerate? My own opinion is that it's incredibly simple, undesirable, and rather a pathetic option to look at. Let's look at the ESO world, chances are if you bought the ESO Plus subscription there's about a 40% or greater chance that you've already bought or are about to buy the Imperial Edition of the game. So you find out about the Rings of Mara and maybe you want to make a new class, maybe even a new main or a crafter? Those rings look all that more interesting, but you need your specific friend, partner, whatever in a group with you (Not account bound, but character) so already you're being unknowingly forced into playing with someone. What if they quit, what if you do? That solo experience looks more appealing without a doubt now doesn't it? What if I could make you want to continue on playing though, and how I could do so?

Not many developers or investors think widely of games, or the industry and who and how people really play. Are they hardcore raiders, or laid back PvPers, vise versa, crafters, merchants, etc. Once a game is produced and a subscription is made it's without a doubt exactly as this one is, if not worse or better. So now you have 1,500 crowns, and some bonuses. Not really much.. Making gold in the game is already fairly easy, especially if you take to crafting and selling items, but I'm trying to make you sit at the computer or console and keep playing. Not burn your time annoyed with the over 20 day long trait crafting research timers! While they're nice to be at 10%, why not really push the desire for it? A reduction by 5 or even 10% more could look a lot nicer wouldn't it, 15 or 20%. What about solo experience, while nice is it really needed when it is fairly simple and easy to level? I don't think so, why not put those Rings of Mara to real use and not a burden or even make yourself a highly desired player to have in a group! Well how can we do that, it's simple, change the values and where they go to these bonuses.

Alright, so we increase the crafting research timer reduction percent by 5 or 10%, but what else? What could make you look better in to a group or just solo gameplay? Instead of having an increase to gold gain and an increased crafting inspiration amount, why not a group gold gain and a better chance of loot? Suddenly you want that group even if you like to play alone. You'd get more gold and even better items, something we all want! Instead of having these values at 10% make them at 15% so players feel determined to really want that grouping experience. Speaking of experiences, keep the solo experience, but add another one for grouping. So now you'd have something along the lines of 10% solo experience, and 20% grouped experience gains, no they won't stack, BUT will with the Rings of Mara. Yes, the group experience does indeed go for the whole of the group, including Cyrodiil, Trials, and Veteran content. A possible 30% bonus to experience in running a dungeon or trial MIXED with gold and loot gain? I think I can safely say that now the subscription model looks much more attractive. What would you have though?



New ESO Subscription Plan:

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1. 1,500 Crowns per month of subscription. (If subscribed for 2 months, 3,000 crowns and so on.)
2. 10% bonus to solo experience and up to 20% for crafting research time reduction.
   One Month Plan = 10%, Two Month Plan = 15%, Three Month Plan = 20%
3. 15% bonus experience to grouped gameplay, grouped gold gain, grouped loot gain.
4. Exclusive DLC(Downloaded Content) access for the time of membership.
5. Up to a 15% bonus to all items in the Crown Store.
   One Month Plan = 5%, Two Month Plan = 10%, Three Month Plan = 15%
6. Receive double the amount from gathering resources.
   Mine an Iron ore vein, normally you might get 3 iron ore. Now you'd get 6.

Extra Information/Sources:

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ESO Plus Information as of 04/21/2015:
elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/01/21/your-guide-to-eso-plus-premium-membership

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ESO Plus FAQ(Frequently Asked Questions):
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq

ESO+ Purchase Page as of 04/21/2015:

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Knootewoot

No.

New content is a long road ahead
The 1500 crowns per month is nothing. You can buy them from storepage if you find anything usefull in the crownstore.
The extra Xp is not worthy.

There is nothing that justifies subbing.

I would like to see:

- priority in queue for PvP for subbers
- veteran rewards for subbers only (different variants in crown store)
- higher chance of getting rare motifs
- a pat on the shoulder once in a while

Anentet

I think its worth it if you're going to put in the money for 1500 crowns.. since you get the same amount lol, may as well add the +10% xp gain.. however none of the other stuff seems important atm since there is no DLC...

Hopefully they improve it a tad more ^.^

Molagent

Knootewoot wrote: »

No.

New content is a long road ahead
The 1500 crowns per month is nothing. You can buy them from storepage if you find anything usefull in the crownstore.
The extra Xp is not worthy.

There is nothing that justifies subbing.

I would like to see:

- priority in queue for PvP for subbers
- veteran rewards for subbers only (different variants in crown store)
- higher chance of getting rare motifs
- a pat on the shoulder once in a while

For starters you can purchase motifs for real life currencies, and you can pay for it in gold in the game. I've yet to meet a large enough group of people who have multiple crafters that would ever possibly need such a thing as specific as getting extra chances with motifs. That's a rather idiotic thing to even think of. As for veteran rewards, why veteran and define it? Is a veteran level 1 or Veteran Rank 14 or is it the person who has played since Beta/Launch day? Why do you need a better queue time for PvP? Exactly what are you queueing for that could make you so desperate?

lihentian

Depend on if you want to level faster and get a bit more gold.

Molagent

lihentian wrote: »

Each vet level is 1 million exp, with membership you will get 1 million extra exp for 10 vet level which equal to 2.5-10 free chanpion point

Why on earth would such a thing be part of membership? You'd extend levels only to get champion points?

pugyourself wrote: »

You should delete one of these threads. Aren't they the same?

It was reposted... If I knew why, I'd be Zenimax Customer Support.

Micallef

ESO+: Worth it or Not?

Not even close. Add into the mix missing fixes, missing content and past/present corporate (mis-)behavior, I don't expect my opinion to be swayed anytime soon.

SHADOW2KK

No, not by a long shot, as said in other similar threads, compared to better known and considerably better ones like Premium for Battlefield 3/4, (wherein queuing is actually already in!!!), and loads of drops/DLC.

ESO Plus, sorry to say, is utterly underwhelming, to such an extent, I think my sub runs out today, and then that is it till further notice.

But if you wanna waste money on some crowns and a few bonuses, go for it:}

Must have been a truly awesome brain storm session when they came up with the plans for ESO Plus, so many holes in it, cheese has more structure.

My opinion anyways, if Zeni wants money from me from now on, then they can deliver some parts of the game that was promised pre launch, and game stability is more important to me than a few crowns.

Great game on so many levels, let down by a few factors and the debacle that is ESO Plus.

/ends rant

jeevin

No for me. I'll only sub if Zos gives me my LOL button back.

Haxnschwammer

Eso +? Hell, No!
I was a forced + member, No Refunds!
I would've loved to cancel my sub the second they announced they go down the F2P road.
Eso plus is definitely not worth it.

Seth_Black

From my point of view - YES
For all people who can afford it without any problems and want to support the game.
Bonuses are just ...bonuses. For some too much, for some not enough.
But hey, that's the way world works. It's hard to make everyone happy.
For me it's still the same as it was since launch day ...subscribed to enjoy ESO getting better.
It's more like investment really and for me it was worth every single month paid.
Update 6 is just big proof, that all our sub money went into right places

Legedric

Simply put: No...

Not even close. The crowns are not worth it and the 10% XP buff is laughable at best.

DLCs will have to convince me when we know what an actual DLC will be.
When I think of ZOS as we have seen them the last couple of months I expect something like Imperial City to be a DLC, but then again I remember that it was in the pipeline since release and I don't want to pay for something that should have been in the game for a good while now and got postponed because ZOS wants to grab some money from console gamers...

So even this may not convince me to resub again, especially after they kinda let us down for the console release in terms of content distribution.

For me 1.6 wasn't a proof that my sub money went into right places as I think the justice system is nice to have, but something like added PvP mechanisms inside Cyrodiil are much more necessary... In my opinion they wasted resources on the justice system using my (and other players) money.
So 1.6 for me is reduced to the Champion System as the big rebalance isn't something I'd call content at all.

Knootewoot

Molagent wrote: »

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Knootewoot wrote: »

No.

New content is a long road ahead
The 1500 crowns per month is nothing. You can buy them from storepage if you find anything usefull in the crownstore.
The extra Xp is not worthy.

There is nothing that justifies subbing.

I would like to see:

- priority in queue for PvP for subbers
- veteran rewards for subbers only (different variants in crown store)
- higher chance of getting rare motifs
- a pat on the shoulder once in a while

For starters you can purchase motifs for real life currencies, and you can pay for it in gold in the game. I've yet to meet a large enough group of people who have multiple crafters that would ever possibly need aushc a thing as specific as getting extra chances with motifs. That's a rather idiotic thing to even think of. As for veteran rewards, why veteran and define it? Is a veteran level 1 or Veteran Rank 14 or is it the person who has played since Beta/Launch day? Why do you need a better queue time for PvP? Exactly what are you queueing for that could make you so desperate?

What am I queue'ing for ? To PvP of course. As someone who pays a monthly sub should have priority over non-subbers to enter cyrodill

Veteran rewards? Not veteran releated. It is just a term used in many mmo. a reward for subbing. Most games gave a reward every 3 months you subbed. Here it is called "loyalty" reward. Sorry for the confusion

I don't want to buy motifs from store which have the same price as 2 complete new games. As a subscription player instead of extra xp I don't need I rather have better drop chance for rares.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

if there would be dlc, yes, but there hasn't been any new playable content for months (adding the option to steal stuff aint my idea of new content)

Legedric

As a PvP player I'd like to add:
Many PvP players paid their sub a whole year long and got literally nothing but a steady decrease in Cyrodiil performance for it as a reward.

And no... some seiege weapons firing just a different type of ammo or useless buffs for doing PvP is not even worth thinking about the word "content".

As there isn't anything that will be released in the near future for me as a PvP player, I of course dropped my support for this game by cancelling the sub... Sad, but that's just my response to ZOS for giving us nothing but empty phrases.

WhiskyBob

Not worth it.

- No DLC
- XP boost will become a joke once potions are up
- 1500 crown/month to spend on silly pets
- Sitting in pvp queue along with non-subscribers
- Tickets being ignored (waiting 2 weeks for response, still counting) even tho you are subscriber
- Terrible customers service

Basically you are funding console release with your PC money.

Palidon

Not worth it at all.

Right now all you have is repeatable content. There have been no new adventure zones introduced since Craglorn.
You get 1500 crowns to spend on junk or the silly pets. ESO has turned into a pet zoo.
Lag, game freezing and constant load screen issues that seem to just be getting worse.
No new PvP content

Gidorick

That's for each to decide for themselves... but I just don't see the value in ESO+.

Robotmafia

well one reason I sub is to continue support them and considering the amount of time we play its not that much money... the small bonuses aren't really worth it... with the pace of content release its most definitely cheaper to just buy the dlcs... but the big problem for them is, if they make the ESO+ more attractive with more benefits they will also increase the P2W factor... the game will be more off balance if the advantages of ESO+ become to powerful

they could gives more crowns... for subbing I kinda expect not to have to buy additional crowns to get atleast most of the stuff in the crown store... maybe not for 1 month of subbing but it should be somewhat worth it... if they start release content every 6 weeks again, subbing would be worth while..

Heromofo

Gidorick wrote: »

That's for each to decide for themselves... but I just don't see the value in ESO+.

This and hence why subs are so dam low zeni time to answer the forums lol.

Tabbycat

I don't think people will see the value of the subscription model until ZOS begins to release downloadable content. Once that happens, depending on how the DLC packages are priced, people may be enticed to subscribe, if it is cheaper to get what you want that way.

As always, if you feel the sub is not worth it, don't sub.

Makkir

Yes.

Don't be a cheapskate. Cancel HBO (or other activities) if you need the money.
If you love the game, give them the monthly fee so they can continue existing and providing us this game to play.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Impossible to tell until we know the frequency and the price of DLCs.

I for one chose to cancel sub until more info is available.

ThePonzzz

My response in the other thread.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1743408#Comment_1743408

Trikki

Pretty simple from a PVP perspective, they give us nothing, we give them nothing.

Faugaun

I've got esoplus (happily) and still buy extra crowns beyond the monthly allotment, and happily enjoy the bonuses (of course you all keep up the good fight, cause I'm down with more bonuses...but I'm not unhappy with esoplus at current)

gregaw_ESO

At least ESO+ gives you what you paid for in crowns+ xp bonus. I would have never subbed in a game like lotro where they would only give you 500 per month and that game is about as P2W as it gets.

Bottom line: If they get their glitches fixed and make this a solid game, then yes, I would get ESO+.

Faugaun

Heromofo wrote: »

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Gidorick wrote: »

That's for each to decide for themselves... but I just don't see the value in ESO+.

This and hence why subs are so dam low zeni time to answer the forums lol.

How do you know sub's are low?

If 50% dropped their sub and population doubled and the returning peeps sub at 50% then sub's are =.....but since only zeni knows the numbers, unless you work there you do not know.

I think they have gained a lot of players recently and it seems to be continuing. My evidence is from the observation of more players in the game. More activity in zone channels. The pugs I meet there is always someone else in the 4 man group besides me with esoplus ...now my sample size sucks but since it's all the ingame data I have it puts sub rates at greater than 33% of the population that groups. Then there is increased google search activity:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=/m/0jt2y_q&cmpt=q&tz=

This next link hopefully it will take you to the report but idk you can surf and find info manually if not:

http://www.spyfu.com/seo/competitors/domain/elderscrollsonline.com

It shows info similar to google but from an independent source.

You can make your own conclusions

Ley

I enjoy the game and want to support it so for me it's worth it.

NewBlacksmurf

Everyone sees value differently. Many play differently too so for some yes...like me while others no

Naivefanboi

Makkir wrote: »

Yes.

Don't be a cheapskate. Cancel HBO (or other activities) if you need the money.
If you love the game, give them the monthly fee so they can continue existing and providing us this game to play.

No im done rewarding poor performance. They want money? Fix Cyrodil, add content. Fix bugs that have been around since beta.
Not make leopards tigers and banekins

Might pay for imperial city, idk will if it sounds worth it, will wait to see if it runs first lol