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  • Pixysticks
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    Nala_ wrote: »
    Ezareth wrote: »
    In my experience there are far more Streak sorcs who are not very good and die quickly than ones who are good.

    95% of sorcs i fight use the absorb projectile ones. i cant really claim to know everything about those skills cuz im not a sorc but the ones i know who dont are prett, germantrocity and pixysticks. and those are pretty much the best sorcs i can think of so id say its gotta have some big perk, for them to be using it no?

    It's honestly just personal preference. BoL is better sometimes and Streak is better in others, whatever one fits your play-style better.

    I will say though that I don't like the way BoL works atm. Currently only one of the balls you have up can absorb projectiles at a given time, and that one ball is the first one you casted. So if you're bolting away from someone and they pass your first ball, it won't matter if you have 100 up between you and him, it won't absorb it.

    Here's an example I found when looking to show you what I'm talking about; i streak past his first ball and it doesn't matter that he has 3 or 4 up between me and him, because I know my frags not going to get absorbed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kcm37fS6Xk
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  • Laerwen
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    You have a very interesting setup. Is there another reason youre dual wielding besides double nirn? Just curious. I also find your strictly offensive and defensive bars intriguing. Dont you ever have trouble switching bars in even light lag? How do you deal with that?

    Edited by Laerwen on April 23, 2015 9:42PM
  • Pixysticks
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    Laerwen wrote: »
    You have a very interesting setup. Is there another reason youre dual wielding besides double nirn? Just curious. I also find your strictly offensive and defensive bars intriguing. Dont you ever have trouble switching bars in even light lag? How do you deal with that?

    Thanks, it takes more micro to backbar shields/streak but it lets me be more offensive on my main-bar so I like it. I don't have a problem swapping unless it's really really laggy.

    I dual wield because I get a lot more spell damage (I don't see the logic of why ZoS did that but w/e), and I can use an extra set-piece to get another spell damage bonus. But yeah, like you said-- I also do get more spell pen/resist from having 2 nirn weapons instead of 1.
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  • Ezareth
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    Laerwen wrote: »
    You have a very interesting setup. Is there another reason youre dual wielding besides double nirn? Just curious. I also find your strictly offensive and defensive bars intriguing. Dont you ever have trouble switching bars in even light lag? How do you deal with that?

    Double Nirn and far more Spell Damage when dual wielding.

    Double Nirn 1handers is by far the best Penetration available right now.

    I run a similar setup with offensive/defensive bars. Most of the top sorcs I know do as well. You want as much offensive capability on your offensive highest penetration bar as possible, your defensive bar can when be designed to accommodate other bonuses/benefits. He could be running double torugs pact Nirnhoned swords on one bar, and maybe the 5 piece bonus for his Seducer on his staff so that his defensive spells and bolt escape etc are cheaper.




    Edited by Ezareth on April 23, 2015 9:50PM
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  • Pixysticks
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    Ezareth wrote: »
    Laerwen wrote: »
    You have a very interesting setup. Is there another reason youre dual wielding besides double nirn? Just curious. I also find your strictly offensive and defensive bars intriguing. Dont you ever have trouble switching bars in even light lag? How do you deal with that?

    Double Nirn and far more Spell Damage when dual wielding.

    Double Nirn 1handers is by far the best Penetration available right now.

    Yeah, I also use apprentice and 6 pieces of divines; I didn't use to do that but with nirn the way it is now there's no way for me to do good damage without absolutely massing spell penetration (and still then I don't do a whole lot to people that stack all nirn on armor).
    Alacrity

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  • Ezareth
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    Pixysticks wrote: »
    Nala_ wrote: »
    Ezareth wrote: »
    In my experience there are far more Streak sorcs who are not very good and die quickly than ones who are good.

    95% of sorcs i fight use the absorb projectile ones. i cant really claim to know everything about those skills cuz im not a sorc but the ones i know who dont are prett, germantrocity and pixysticks. and those are pretty much the best sorcs i can think of so id say its gotta have some big perk, for them to be using it no?

    It's honestly just personal preference. BoL is better sometimes and Streak is better in others, whatever one fits your play-style better.

    I will say though that I don't like the way BoL works atm. Currently only one of the balls you have up can absorb projectiles at a given time, and that one ball is the first one you casted. So if you're bolting away from someone and they pass your first ball, it won't matter if you have 100 up between you and him, it won't absorb it.

    Here's an example I found when looking to show you what I'm talking about; i streak past his first ball and it doesn't matter that he has 3 or 4 up between me and him, because I know my frags not going to get absorbed.

    I think you hit him because his BoL was high in the air even though you cast your proc while he was right on top of it. I've never had a BoL absorb a projectile when it was that far over my head. Continually casting BoL will refresh the BoL protection every third ball or so, and often that third ball will absorb anything cast at the player for 2 casts of BoL (if you don't bug it first).

    I don't like the way BoL works atm especially, since it both follows these old rules as well as 1.6 introduced new ways to bug it out.



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  • Pixysticks
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    Ezareth wrote: »

    I think you hit him because his BoL was high in the air even though you cast your proc while he was right on top of it. I've never had a BoL absorb a projectile when it was that far over my head. Continually casting BoL will refresh the BoL protection every third ball or so, and often that third ball will absorb anything cast at the player for 2 casts of BoL (if you don't bug it first).

    When I was testing it with a friend it was always the furthest BoL away from you that absorbs the projectile (when bolting in a straight line), and if you pass that BoL the frag won't go backwards to it, it will go forward and hit them. Unless the person is completely adjacent to the first BoL that still remains up, or it's in front of their field of vision will it travel towards it and get absorbed.

    But yeah to what you said earlier about gear, minus the seducer, I use 4 piece martial.
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    BoL in the air is awesome, it completely absorbes meteors ^^.
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    I prefer Streak on my Sorc, it just fits his play style better. BoL does have its upsides though.
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    I prefer Streak too it fits my ERP style better
  • Laerwen
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    Pixysticks wrote: »
    Laerwen wrote: »
    You have a very interesting setup. Is there another reason youre dual wielding besides double nirn? Just curious. I also find your strictly offensive and defensive bars intriguing. Dont you ever have trouble switching bars in even light lag? How do you deal with that?

    Thanks, it takes more micro to backbar shields/streak but it lets me be more offensive on my main-bar so I like it. I don't have a problem swapping unless it's really really laggy.

    I dual wield because I get a lot more spell damage (I don't see the logic of why ZoS did that but w/e), and I can use an extra set-piece to get another spell damage bonus. But yeah, like you said-- I also do get more spell pen/resist from having 2 nirn weapons instead of 1.

    Awesome man, seems pretty effective. It's interesting to see what other sorcs have come up with, and I enjoy theorycrafting with them. Here are some of my thoughts on your bar setup:

    1) With all that spell damage and penetration Im sure you hit like a truck. You're all burst though. I see frags, curse, and entropy as your only offensive spells. Four of ten slots are toggles. You dont really have an option to apply heavy sustained dps without spamming hardcast frags. I find that if I can keep my opponents on the back foot with heavy sustained dps, I dont need to worry about being cc'd or being defensive so much as theyre far too busy just trying to stay alive. In your case you would be stuck on your back bar, and no threat to anyone in that situation. I suspect you play rope-a-dope defense Ali style, then surprise your opponents with omgwtfbbq curse, entropy, frag bursts of DOOM. Thats awesome. Cant wait to see more.

    2) Ive tried running ward and streak on the back bar with success (barring the varying weapon swap delay) but I found it to be weaker for two reasons. The global cooldown, and frag procs. Needing to swap too often is a bad thing imo. Far too many global cooldowns are spent on swaps and not damage, defense, or my other reason, frag procs. I find that we cast ward and streak far more often than anything else. The problem is that you dont have frags on that bar, so you are getting far fewer frags which is a pretty big deal. I cant stress how much of a big deal this really is to be honest. Its game changing.

    3) You dont have much utility vs melee, mainly mines. You cant force a ranged engagement, or at the very least, you cant force them to eat a mine/curse/frag sandwich before you streak out and repeat the process. I forsee you having to run from any lengthy melee encounter. I can play ring around the mines with a single two hander for days. Im actually not being too serious here, Im sure with nice blocking and streak you can hold your ground just fine.

    4) I dont see you having very high ultimate generation with dual weild, but I suspect the spell damage, set bonus, and penetration make up for that. You are sacrificing crushing shock or destructive touch spam however, which is the real tradeoff. You also cannot counter defensive stance with a light attack weave. Defensive stance will completely shut you down, or best case, force two more weapon swaps. That's a pretty big deal as well.

    These are just my thoughts and I'm interested to hear yours. I do not consider your setup to be weak, and Im sure you and other sorcs here would have equally valid criticism of my setup. I run inner light and would love to run bound armor as well but I find I have to sacrifice more than Im willing to make it work. Perhaps I'll try it again now that I see others having success with it.

    Ezareth, you say that most top sorcs have similar bar separation and Im certain that is a true statement. I dont like the connection youre making there however. Not to blow my own horn or anything but I assure you I am one of them, and I dont. Ive brought some really strong arguments as well. Im just saying there are strong reasons for each style, neither of them separate top sorcs from good sorcs. If you would like to discuss it, my main bar is frags, shock, streak, ward, inner light.

    Edited by Laerwen on April 24, 2015 7:37AM
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    How can you have 5 forum stars and know so little about the game? Terrifying thought that some people might listen to your input because they assume the stars represent credibility...


    Just saying not necessarily accusing but a lot of people sold their "5 star" accounts...

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    krim wrote: »
    Kaghei still a better sorc... ;) looking forward to the whole thing PATO. This needs more Ricky Martin btw.

    Whats with the YANOESTOYAQUI?

    theyre the mexican mafia man..its cool..day cool like dat. :D

    #LaRevolucion
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    Hamon, shouldn't you be welcoming people to Jurassic Park? Or do I have the wrong guy...
  • Nala_
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    Laerwen wrote: »
    Ezareth, you say that most top sorcs have similar bar separation and Im certain that is a true statement. I dont like the connection youre making there however. Not to blow my own horn or anything but I assure you I am one of them, and I dont. Ive brought some really strong arguments as well. Im just saying there are strong reasons for each style, neither of them separate top sorcs from good sorcs. If you would like to discuss it, my main bar is frags, shock, streak, ward, inner light.

    i dont remember ever seeing your in-game name before if its your forum name. are you EP or AD? why would you think that putting your defensive abilities on your back bar is a bad thing if you have the skill to be able to swap fast and pull it off? i think it sounds like you like tooting your own horn
    Edited by Nala_ on April 24, 2015 1:44PM
  • Makkir
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    Ezareth wrote: »

    Double Nirn 1handers is by far the best Penetration available right now.

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  • ToRelax
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    Nala_ wrote: »
    Laerwen wrote: »
    Ezareth, you say that most top sorcs have similar bar separation and Im certain that is a true statement. I dont like the connection youre making there however. Not to blow my own horn or anything but I assure you I am one of them, and I dont. Ive brought some really strong arguments as well. Im just saying there are strong reasons for each style, neither of them separate top sorcs from good sorcs. If you would like to discuss it, my main bar is frags, shock, streak, ward, inner light.

    i dont remember ever seeing your in-game name before if its your forum name. are you EP or AD? why would you think that putting your defensive abilities on your back bar is a bad thing if you have the skill to be able to swap fast and pull it off? i think it sounds like you like tooting your own horn

    If possible, you want skills you use very often on the same bar as Crystal Fragments.

    Personally I always had Bolt Escape on my second bar, though the reasons changed.
    Right now I would say:
    - It allows faster use of Inevitable Detonation after BoL, to decrease the chance to be interrupted.
    - It's on the same bar as Overload and Healing Ward - Overload, because I need BoL on the Overload bar and it's good to be able to use it instantly with the same hotkey, wether I am still on Overload or not when pressing the button. And I need Healing Ward on the bar with Overload because I need to use it as fast as possible when my health got a hit while I was in Overload mode. Crystal Fragments hass to be on the destro bar and the same one as Crushing Shock, so can't get BoL and Fragments on one bar without using BoL on all 3 (or Fragments on 2, but that's just silly).

    But in the end just do what you are comfortable with. @Ezareth simply made an observation, wether it was accurate or not doesn't matter, really.
    In 1.5 I've been running Hardened Ward on my Destro bar and Streak on Resto, @LegendaryMage had it the other way around. One could argue it was due to some different skills, I used Fragments whereas he didn't, he used Harness Magicka, while I had either Harness or Hardened Ward, for example. But as I said, in the end you should just put your skills in a place you are comfortable with, different playstyles demand your skills in different situations.
    DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
    The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...

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  • Laerwen
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    Nala_ wrote: »
    Laerwen wrote: »
    Ezareth, you say that most top sorcs have similar bar separation and Im certain that is a true statement. I dont like the connection youre making there however. Not to blow my own horn or anything but I assure you I am one of them, and I dont. Ive brought some really strong arguments as well. Im just saying there are strong reasons for each style, neither of them separate top sorcs from good sorcs. If you would like to discuss it, my main bar is frags, shock, streak, ward, inner light.

    i dont remember ever seeing your in-game name before if its your forum name. are you EP or AD? why would you think that putting your defensive abilities on your back bar is a bad thing if you have the skill to be able to swap fast and pull it off? i think it sounds like you like tooting your own horn

    Its not completely terrible, but you are sacrificing a lot of frag procs and global cooldowns when you do it that way. Pretty much what ToRelax said. I wish they would make it instant. In my mind the long term health of the game depends on it.

    With the current state of weapon swap, doing it too fast is actually a bad thing because in even light lag, it wont register and you will wind up on the wrong bar. Also let me just say that swaping fast alone is not a measure of skill. Im sure any of us here have the dexterity to swap cast and swap back in a fractioin of a second, which brings me to my next observation.

    80% of skill in this game has to do with playing smart, which is a blanket statement that covers your build, awareness, positioning, knowledge of game mechanics, and the ability to make good decisions quickly and consistently. The other 20% comes from being fast and dexterous with the keyboard and mouse. In a game with 10 skills, 1 quickslot, 2 ultimates, lag and global cooldowns, there is an artificial cap on how far being fast with the keyboard will take you. This isnt Starcraft.

    Im an AD Sorc and my in game name is different. It doesnt matter who I am but you should be able to read a few of anyones posts and determine pretty accurately if they are full of s**t or not.

    Edited by Laerwen on April 24, 2015 3:00PM
  • Ezareth
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    Laerwen wrote: »

    Ezareth, you say that most top sorcs have similar bar separation and Im certain that is a true statement. I dont like the connection youre making there however. Not to blow my own horn or anything but I assure you I am one of them, and I dont. Ive brought some really strong arguments as well. Im just saying there are strong reasons for each style, neither of them separate top sorcs from good sorcs. If you would like to discuss it, my main bar is frags, shock, streak, ward, inner light.

    I don't know who you are, which doesn't necessarily mean anything by itself. When I say "Top Sorcs" I'm talking about NA Sorcs who have been around since launch or have distinguished themselves in both rankings and ability that I've fought or played with. I've fought several decent sorcs whom are new to me and dangerous but there are a few sorcs out there who are a presence on the battle that demands respect. It's not difficult to distinguish who these people are after a few days of playing with them / against them.

    If I recall you're the Sorc who was/is using Green Magicka food because it has the highest possible magicka increase....I can't say there is another sorc that I know of who thinks that is a good idea for obvious (to most of us) reasons.
    ToRelax wrote: »
    Nala_ wrote: »
    Laerwen wrote: »
    Ezareth, you say that most top sorcs have similar bar separation and Im certain that is a true statement. I dont like the connection youre making there however. Not to blow my own horn or anything but I assure you I am one of them, and I dont. Ive brought some really strong arguments as well. Im just saying there are strong reasons for each style, neither of them separate top sorcs from good sorcs. If you would like to discuss it, my main bar is frags, shock, streak, ward, inner light.

    i dont remember ever seeing your in-game name before if its your forum name. are you EP or AD? why would you think that putting your defensive abilities on your back bar is a bad thing if you have the skill to be able to swap fast and pull it off? i think it sounds like you like tooting your own horn

    If possible, you want skills you use very often on the same bar as Crystal Fragments.

    Personally I always had Bolt Escape on my second bar, though the reasons changed.
    Right now I would say:
    - It allows faster use of Inevitable Detonation after BoL, to decrease the chance to be interrupted.
    - It's on the same bar as Overload and Healing Ward - Overload, because I need BoL on the Overload bar and it's good to be able to use it instantly with the same hotkey, wether I am still on Overload or not when pressing the button. And I need Healing Ward on the bar with Overload because I need to use it as fast as possible when my health got a hit while I was in Overload mode. Crystal Fragments hass to be on the destro bar and the same one as Crushing Shock, so can't get BoL and Fragments on one bar without using BoL on all 3 (or Fragments on 2, but that's just silly).

    But in the end just do what you are comfortable with. @Ezareth simply made an observation, wether it was accurate or not doesn't matter, really.
    In 1.5 I've been running Hardened Ward on my Destro bar and Streak on Resto, @LegendaryMage had it the other way around. One could argue it was due to some different skills, I used Fragments whereas he didn't, he used Harness Magicka, while I had either Harness or Hardened Ward, for example. But as I said, in the end you should just put your skills in a place you are comfortable with, different playstyles demand your skills in different situations.

    Also keep in mind that 1.6 has created 2 forms of sorc damage specialists. There are sorcs like me who specialize in Elemental damage (mainly overload) and Sorcs like Pixy who specialize in "Magic" damage via thaumaturge (Fragments, Curse).

    There is a ton of variation in Sorc builds right now which is a good thing. I'm considering putting mana detonation back on my bar but lightning form is pretty huge for me both keeping NBs locked out of stealth, speed bonus, physical armor boost, keeping my magick resist maxed and most importantly obfuscating what I'm doing from whoever is fighting me. I notice I get interrupted and have my fragments dodge roll far less frequently when I'm in lightning form.

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  • Laerwen
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    Ezareth wrote: »
    I don't know who you are, which doesn't necessarily mean anything by itself. When I say "Top Sorcs" I'm talking about NA Sorcs who have been around since launch or have distinguished themselves in both rankings and ability that I've fought or played with. I've fought several decent sorcs whom are new to me and dangerous but there are a few sorcs out there who are a presence on the battle that demands respect. It's not difficult to distinguish who these people are after a few days of playing with them / against them.

    If I recall you're the Sorc who was/is using Green Magicka food because it has the highest possible magicka increase....I can't say there is another sorc that I know of who thinks that is a good idea for obvious (to most of us) reasons.

    Well that was a pretty cheap shot, but I take them at you as well. The removal of soft caps and rank 10 food is a new thing. 5k magika is a valid tradeoff. Get over it. You talk about 1.5 mindsets but you obviously still have some too. I think your use of drink and overdependence on overload is absolutely terrible, but I've fought beside you and you do well with it. See my above post. Build is only half of the equation.

    I dont disagree with your observations or opinions to take stabs at you, I do it because you do have a lot of knowledge to offer and people respect what you have to say, but sometimes you go full derp mode. Just sayin'.

    Edited by Laerwen on April 24, 2015 3:28PM
  • Nala_
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    Laerwen wrote: »
    Ezareth wrote: »
    I don't know who you are, which doesn't necessarily mean anything by itself. When I say "Top Sorcs" I'm talking about NA Sorcs who have been around since launch or have distinguished themselves in both rankings and ability that I've fought or played with. I've fought several decent sorcs whom are new to me and dangerous but there are a few sorcs out there who are a presence on the battle that demands respect. It's not difficult to distinguish who these people are after a few days of playing with them / against them.

    If I recall you're the Sorc who was/is using Green Magicka food because it has the highest possible magicka increase....I can't say there is another sorc that I know of who thinks that is a good idea for obvious (to most of us) reasons.

    Well that was a pretty cheap shot, but I take them at you as well. The removal of soft caps and rank 10 food is a new thing. 5k magika is a valid tradeoff. Get over it. You talk about 1.5 mindsets but you obviously still have some too. I think your use of drink and overdependence on overload is absolutely terrible, but I've fought beside you and you do well with it. See my above post. Build is only half of the equation.

    I dont disagree with your observations or opinions to take stabs at you, I do it because you do have a lot of knowledge to offer and people respect what you have to say, but sometimes you go full derp mode. Just sayin'.

    ohhhh ahahahaha. this is the green magicka food guy? LMAO i understand now
  • Laerwen
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    Nala_ wrote: »
    Laerwen wrote: »
    Ezareth wrote: »
    I don't know who you are, which doesn't necessarily mean anything by itself. When I say "Top Sorcs" I'm talking about NA Sorcs who have been around since launch or have distinguished themselves in both rankings and ability that I've fought or played with. I've fought several decent sorcs whom are new to me and dangerous but there are a few sorcs out there who are a presence on the battle that demands respect. It's not difficult to distinguish who these people are after a few days of playing with them / against them.

    If I recall you're the Sorc who was/is using Green Magicka food because it has the highest possible magicka increase....I can't say there is another sorc that I know of who thinks that is a good idea for obvious (to most of us) reasons.

    Well that was a pretty cheap shot, but I take them at you as well. The removal of soft caps and rank 10 food is a new thing. 5k magika is a valid tradeoff. Get over it. You talk about 1.5 mindsets but you obviously still have some too. I think your use of drink and overdependence on overload is absolutely terrible, but I've fought beside you and you do well with it. See my above post. Build is only half of the equation.

    I dont disagree with your observations or opinions to take stabs at you, I do it because you do have a lot of knowledge to offer and people respect what you have to say, but sometimes you go full derp mode. Just sayin'.

    ohhhh ahahahaha. this is the green magicka food guy? LMAO i understand now

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    Edited by Laerwen on April 24, 2015 3:36PM
  • LegendaryMage
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    Nice vid pixy, post some more when you have the chance!
    ToRelax wrote: »
    (or Fragments on 2, but that's just silly).

    But in the end just do what you are comfortable with. @Ezareth simply made an observation, wether it was accurate or not doesn't matter, really.
    In 1.5 I've been running Hardened Ward on my Destro bar and Streak on Resto, @LegendaryMage had it the other way around. One could argue it was due to some different skills, I used Fragments whereas he didn't, he used Harness Magicka, while I had either Harness or Hardened Ward, for example. But as I said, in the end you should just put your skills in a place you are comfortable with, different playstyles demand your skills in different situations.

    Not necessarily. In 1.5 fragments on both bars was one of my favorite sorc tweaks while on s/b and shards were flying left and right all the time, this is why most sorcs couldn't cope with my pressure at the time and some have even asked me openly how can I manage to cast shards so often. So basically I was defending and attacking simultaneously and I pretty much 'always' had a shard ready for you when needed.

    The only reason why I'm currently not running frags on both bars is because I find daedric minefield much more useful in 1.6 as an all-around skill when I simply need a break from a perma rolldodger or any melee fighter. And that's the skill that's on my No.3 button where frags were always on both bars in the past.

    Ironically I was considering just today taking out minefield and putting back shards but I'm afraid with the current standard setups it's not as useful as it once was. Only in duels vs streak sorcs can this help you significantly.

    As for the add-on and potions talk, I do use potions every now and then in open pvp, though rare because I'm always decently poor.

    However, add-ons were always something I disliked but I never really thought about them giving my opponents any advantage over me, quite the opposite, I thought all the text on the screen is taking away from their true potential. You should never duel and fix your eyes on a certain spot on the screen or you will miss something else that's important.

    It's kinda like driving, you have to 'see everything', including back and forth, and be ready to react at absolutely anything that may happen no matter 'where' it happens. To me (this is just my personal preference) add-ons are an unnecessary burden and I have tried playing with them in the past and it was horrible. I fight much better without them. But that's just me...

    Of course, I still hate some bugs that zenimax has not fixed yet, such as shields not appearing at all, or always appearing even if you have none, but that's a different story. I like hard mode. :)
  • Ezareth
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    Laerwen wrote: »
    Ezareth wrote: »
    I don't know who you are, which doesn't necessarily mean anything by itself. When I say "Top Sorcs" I'm talking about NA Sorcs who have been around since launch or have distinguished themselves in both rankings and ability that I've fought or played with. I've fought several decent sorcs whom are new to me and dangerous but there are a few sorcs out there who are a presence on the battle that demands respect. It's not difficult to distinguish who these people are after a few days of playing with them / against them.

    If I recall you're the Sorc who was/is using Green Magicka food because it has the highest possible magicka increase....I can't say there is another sorc that I know of who thinks that is a good idea for obvious (to most of us) reasons.

    Well that was a pretty cheap shot, but I take them at you as well. The removal of soft caps and rank 10 food is a new thing. 5k magika is a valid tradeoff. Get over it. You talk about 1.5 mindsets but you obviously still have some too. I think your use of drink and overdependence on overload is absolutely terrible, but I've fought beside you and you do well with it. See my above post. Build is only half of the equation.

    I dont disagree with your observations or opinions to take stabs at you, I do it because you do have a lot of knowledge to offer and people respect what you have to say, but sometimes you go full derp mode. Just sayin'.
    I didn't consider it a cheap shot but to me it was(it still is) something that defined you. I applaud you sticking to your guns in the face of opposition though. I know my build is good at many things and terrible at others. I'll never have the burst damage of a sorc like Pixy, but when it comes to riding the zerg and being a mobile and dangerous harassing element I'll pit my build against any other out there. Mathematically my existing build scales far better than any other build with CPs as well. That was part of the design.

    There are couple of recent sorcs I've fought along that I respect but don't really know on AD. Xenevev(Sp) and another Sorc who friended me that I grouped with a couple times whose name escapes me. Those who I'd consider pretty good, but it's far harder to judge a player on your side as you're not playing against them. There are probably plenty of AD sorcs who I don't give the credit they are due because of this. Once my DC NB gets to Vet14 I'll be able to adjust my opinions ( =

    Anyways I'll remove myself from this discussion in Pixy's thread and eagerly await his video. I know just how painful putting together a good PvP video is. I've just made the switch to Adobe After/effects/Premier Pro CC and while it is infinitely better than anything else out there, but it also has an extremely steep learning curve and requires a significant investment of time to put together a good movie.
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  • NedicWildling
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    krim wrote: »
    Kaghei still a better sorc... ;) looking forward to the whole thing PATO. This needs more Ricky Martin btw.

    Whats with the YANOESTOYAQUI?

    Cause I'm not playing anymore :( or at least right now.
    Kaghei wrote: »
    krim wrote: »
    Kaghei still a better sorc... ;) looking forward to the whole thing PATO. This needs more Ricky Martin btw.

    Whats with the YANOESTOYAQUI?


    #ESTOYAQUIPARALAVIDA

    SI ROBERTO!
    Edited by NedicWildling on April 24, 2015 3:51PM
  • ToRelax
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    Nice vid pixy, post some more when you have the chance!
    ToRelax wrote: »
    (or Fragments on 2, but that's just silly).

    But in the end just do what you are comfortable with. @Ezareth simply made an observation, wether it was accurate or not doesn't matter, really.
    In 1.5 I've been running Hardened Ward on my Destro bar and Streak on Resto, @LegendaryMage had it the other way around. One could argue it was due to some different skills, I used Fragments whereas he didn't, he used Harness Magicka, while I had either Harness or Hardened Ward, for example. But as I said, in the end you should just put your skills in a place you are comfortable with, different playstyles demand your skills in different situations.

    Not necessarily. In 1.5 fragments on both bars was one of my favorite sorc tweaks while on s/b and shards were flying left and right all the time, this is why most sorcs couldn't cope with my pressure at the time and some have even asked me openly how can I manage to cast shards so often. So basically I was defending and attacking simultaneously and I pretty much 'always' had a shard ready for you when needed.

    The only reason why I'm currently not running frags on both bars is because I find daedric minefield much more useful in 1.6 as an all-around skill when I simply need a break from a perma rolldodger or any melee fighter. And that's the skill that's on my No.3 button where frags were always on both bars in the past.

    Ironically I was considering just today taking out minefield and putting back shards but I'm afraid with the current standard setups it's not as useful as it once was. Only in duels vs streak sorcs can this help you significantly.

    [...]

    I remember it was a thing during the first months of the game, though I never really grew comfortable with it. In 1.5 I had the shards mainly for the knockdown, not for constant pressure, and with most casts being Harness/Ward or Crushing Shock the benefit wouldn't have been all that great.
    Now in 1.6 I am sometimes missing a Shard at the right moment, but when it really matters I just make sure to have a proc before going on with my combo. Ofc, my statement was a bit harsh at that point, it is doable and if it fits your style that's great.
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  • LegendaryMage
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    In 1.6 I don't consider frags as my main damage source vs most opponents, except sorcerers of course. Most of my damage still comes from crushing shock, light attacks and daedric curse. Getting a shard to land in there at the right time is nice, but vs perma blockers and dodgers it's just not reliable to count on it. Curse + heavy attacks + streak is what kills perma dodgers. Provided that you have enough stamina regen to constantly breakfree, and enough magicka sustain to get the job done.
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    Ezareth wrote: »
    Laerwen wrote: »
    Ezareth wrote: »
    I don't know who you are, which doesn't necessarily mean anything by itself. When I say "Top Sorcs" I'm talking about NA Sorcs who have been around since launch or have distinguished themselves in both rankings and ability that I've fought or played with. I've fought several decent sorcs whom are new to me and dangerous but there are a few sorcs out there who are a presence on the battle that demands respect. It's not difficult to distinguish who these people are after a few days of playing with them / against them.

    If I recall you're the Sorc who was/is using Green Magicka food because it has the highest possible magicka increase....I can't say there is another sorc that I know of who thinks that is a good idea for obvious (to most of us) reasons.

    Well that was a pretty cheap shot, but I take them at you as well. The removal of soft caps and rank 10 food is a new thing. 5k magika is a valid tradeoff. Get over it. You talk about 1.5 mindsets but you obviously still have some too. I think your use of drink and overdependence on overload is absolutely terrible, but I've fought beside you and you do well with it. See my above post. Build is only half of the equation.

    I dont disagree with your observations or opinions to take stabs at you, I do it because you do have a lot of knowledge to offer and people respect what you have to say, but sometimes you go full derp mode. Just sayin'.
    I didn't consider it a cheap shot but to me it was(it still is) something that defined you. I applaud you sticking to your guns in the face of opposition though. I know my build is good at many things and terrible at others. I'll never have the burst damage of a sorc like Pixy, but when it comes to riding the zerg and being a mobile and dangerous harassing element I'll pit my build against any other out there. Mathematically my existing build scales far better than any other build with CPs as well. That was part of the design.

    There are couple of recent sorcs I've fought along that I respect but don't really know on AD. Xenevev(Sp) and another Sorc who friended me that I grouped with a couple times whose name escapes me. Those who I'd consider pretty good, but it's far harder to judge a player on your side as you're not playing against them. There are probably plenty of AD sorcs who I don't give the credit they are due because of this. Once my DC NB gets to Vet14 I'll be able to adjust my opinions ( =

    Anyways I'll remove myself from this discussion in Pixy's thread and eagerly await his video. I know just how painful putting together a good PvP video is. I've just made the switch to Adobe After/effects/Premier Pro CC and while it is infinitely better than anything else out there, but it also has an extremely steep learning curve and requires a significant investment of time to put together a good movie.

    1 hour (at max; if that is significant amount) is usually what it takes me :) But then again I have to do that stuff for my job. I just recently got into making videos of ESO and I am having a blast putting together "music videos" with my game footage. Adobe Premier Pro is amazing and I love the fact that I can do so much in it. Then when I need to make an intro video I pop in some after effects and make it or tweak a free one I found if I am feeling to lazy in making my own lol @Ezareth plenty of videos on youtube that can help. I also found a lot of shortcuts through my years of doing this that youtube just takes the long way of explaining. Example being stop shots where everything freezes.
  • krim
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    krim wrote: »
    Kaghei still a better sorc... ;) looking forward to the whole thing PATO. This needs more Ricky Martin btw.

    Whats with the YANOESTOYAQUI?

    Cause I'm not playing anymore :( or at least right now.
    Kaghei wrote: »
    krim wrote: »
    Kaghei still a better sorc... ;) looking forward to the whole thing PATO. This needs more Ricky Martin btw.

    Whats with the YANOESTOYAQUI?


    #ESTOYAQUIPARALAVIDA

    SI ROBERTO!

    Oh ok in that case yo NOESTOYAQUI tampoco. Im not sad about it im playing a new (old game). I think i saw ride the zerg in a post above.. pfttt lol
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    Hey guys, sorry I don't really have any experience in video editing so it might take a week or so to put everything together. Can anyone who does have a lot of experience tell me how to eliminate the resolution drop/grainy look the video has whenever I streak or roll-dodge? Here's a random clip to show you what I'm talking about; I've just been using Shadowplay then uploading straight to Youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnOIlCnaFhY
    Alacrity

    Retired 05/04/15.
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