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well it was very easy to miss unlike a big box that pops up telling you its procced and counting down how long you have to fire it instantly,, same as with the shield timers... very helpfull to have a big box telling you how long eactly before it drops.
noticing all these things without the big boxes were how the game was designed. missing them could well be what makes the diffrence in the heat of a big battle. but alot of that has been negated by these addons imo..
i dont expect everyone to agree, i'm just expressing an opinion.
The visual tell is pretty obvious because it shows crystals floating around your hands and the audible tell is loud as hell. No one needs add-ons to be able to determine whether it is proc'd or not.5 -
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well it was very easy to miss unlike a big box that pops up telling you its procced and counting down how long you have to fire it instantly,, same as with the shield timers... very helpfull to have a big box telling you how long eactly before it drops.
noticing all these things without the big boxes were how the game was designed. missing them could well be what makes the diffrence in the heat of a big battle. but alot of that has been negated by these addons imo..
i dont expect everyone to agree, i'm just expressing an opinion.
if the game was meant to be like you are saying then ZoS never would of gave the API for that info to allow us to make addons displaying that info. Since it has survived the "nerfs" to APIs then I am 100% sure they are A OK with it. Logic
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krim✭✭✭✭✭one thing ive noticed with all you guys who make videos , is the constants. use of spell/weapon power pots.. thats nothing against you personally .
now whats the buff from those pots? 300 or something like that?
if it is its like having an extra set of MK or similar morag tong .. which is really significant.. i cant help but wonder how many of those fights you wouldn't look so uber if you wern't chugging pots to give you such a big chunk of extra damage all the time..
then in between those theres the tri pots as well . tri pots for try hards i guess. always gonna be try hards in every pvp game . but i actually hope when console comes round the console try hards dont adopt pot chugging.
they wont have all the combat addons telling them what to do and when , and most console try hards are used to not having to spam pots constantly .. they simply win or lose based on how they play.
epic troll. At least i want to believe it is.Edited by krim on April 23, 2015 2:44AM2 -
Laerwen✭✭✭You sir, "tryhard" to make excuses for yourself to play badly. If youre not using potions, thats bad. If youre not using a proper UI to help you make decisions, thats also bad. Thats what UIs are supposed to do. Its impossible to recieve all of the necessary information required to make good decisions with the stock ui. The game was designed with an api so that we can present this information to the player in a clear way. Im not always looking at my hands to see if theyre glowing. Im looking at which direction that nightblade cloaked in, and im approximating how long I have before his friends in the distance will be in gap closing range etc. To be honest, with mage light and ward and all the other purple glowy *** going on, its hard to tell with a glance if I have a shard ready, and casting one if its not could be a death sentence.
If you tried as hard to play this game as you do making excuses for yourself to purposefully play at a disadvantage, you might actually win some fights eh?2 -
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well it was very easy to miss unlike a big box that pops up telling you its procced and counting down how long you have to fire it instantly,, same as with the shield timers... very helpfull to have a big box telling you how long eactly before it drops.
noticing all these things without the big boxes were how the game was designed. missing them could well be what makes the diffrence in the heat of a big battle. but alot of that has been negated by these addons imo..
i dont expect everyone to agree, i'm just expressing an opinion.
if the game was meant to be like you are saying then ZoS never would of gave the API for that info to allow us to make addons displaying that info. Since it has survived the "nerfs" to APIs then I am 100% sure they are A OK with it. Logic
well right back at beta, there was a big debate about the api and addons, at the time addons were being developed like the ones in wow showing enemy cast bars and stuff like that. there was an outcry to which zos said they would not allow combat addons.
afaik i think they changed the api at the last minute to stop those combat addons being developed. so i dont think its as black and white as you want to believe.
now the debate is whether some of the addons in use now are in fact addons that give an advantage in combat.
they are under the heading of combat addons in ESOUI , so they are fairly clear what they enhance or assist.
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✭✭You sir, "tryhard" to make excuses for yourself to play badly. If youre not using potions, thats bad. If youre not using a proper UI to help you make decisions, thats also bad. Thats what UIs are supposed to do. Its impossible to recieve all of the necessary information required to make good decisions with the stock ui. The game was designed with an api so that we can present this information to the player in a clear way. Im not always looking at my hands to see if theyre glowing. Im looking at which direction that nightblade cloaked in, and im approximating how long I have before his friends in the distance will be in gap closing range etc. To be honest, with mage light and ward and all the other purple glowy *** going on, its hard to tell with a glance if I have a shard ready, and casting one if its not could be a death sentence.
If you tried as hard to play this game as you do making excuses for yourself to purposefully play at a disadvantage, you might actually win some fights eh?
Well, it's pretty hard to miss the sound of proccing fragments, but if you're seriously not sure, just have a look at the skill on your bar, it looks like "toggled on" when you have an instacast ready.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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✭You sir, "tryhard" to make excuses for yourself to play badly. If youre not using potions, thats bad. If youre not using a proper UI to help you make decisions, thats also bad. Thats what UIs are supposed to do. Its impossible to recieve all of the necessary information required to make good decisions with the stock ui. The game was designed with an api so that we can present this information to the player in a clear way. Im not always looking at my hands to see if theyre glowing. Im looking at which direction that nightblade cloaked in, and im approximating how long I have before his friends in the distance will be in gap closing range etc. To be honest, with mage light and ward and all the other purple glowy *** going on, its hard to tell with a glance if I have a shard ready, and casting one if its not could be a death sentence.
If you tried as hard to play this game as you do making excuses for yourself to purposefully play at a disadvantage, you might actually win some fights eh?
you seem to be trying hard to curry favour with your peers by attacking me, so you know how good or bad i am?? i'm assuming youve played along side me or against me to make that judgment? if so you,ll be able to tell us all which server i play in and the names of my characters???
a guy earlier linked a sorc who seemed to be very effective without addon or pot chugging.. but i guess he's bad for not using them as well eh?
but where i will agree with you is where you agree how much the sorc addon helps you be sure you're going to get that instant frag cos in your own words " casting one could be a death sentence"
surely thats making my point for me?
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Pixysticks✭✭✭✭✭I appreciate the comments, Hamon. It's pretty clear you dislike people who use potions and addons, so why not start your own thread on it instead of derailing this one for an entire day? I also suggest posting it somewhere other than the alliance war forums, because there's probably less than 1% of the PvP population that's going to agree with you on that.Alacrity
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✭Pixysticks wrote: »I appreciate the comments, Hamon. It's pretty clear you dislike people who use potions and addons, so why not start your own thread on it instead of derailing this one for an entire day? I also suggest posting it somewhere other than the alliance war forums, because there's probably less than 1% of the PvP population that's going to agree with you on that.
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✭Pixysticks wrote: »I appreciate the comments, Hamon. It's pretty clear you dislike people who use potions and addons, so why not start your own thread on it instead of derailing this one for an entire day? I also suggest posting it somewhere other than the alliance war forums, because there's probably less than 1% of the PvP population that's going to agree with you on that.
no with all due respect pixy , its wrong to say i don't like people who use potions.. i hoped i'd made that clear. i have no axe to grind with anyone least of all you. you are using the tools available to you and that totally fine by me. i used addons in wow because they helped immensely with difficult raids. especially as a healer. i dont remember many ( i only played from vanilla to naxx) or even any addons related to pvp at that time.
ive even loaded up the sorc helper in ESO. now i'm simply making the observation that these addons greatly help to the point they become seen as mandatory. i stopped raiding in wow cos it got to the point i was playing the addons more than reacting to what was happening in the fight.
the sorc helper in eso makes the sorc class much much easier to be highly effective. to refuse to acknowledge that is mad. timers that make it simplicity itself to know exactly when to recast your shield at 1 second , making sure you never get caught without it is very big, knowing how log you have to fire your free frag again is very powerfull.
now this isnt a moan about sorcs , i just dont know of any addons available for other classes that have the same impact on combat effectivness.
i,m not sure which abilities on the other classes would benefit nearly as much as those examples do on the sorcerer. right now sorcerers are heavily dependant on keeping shields up and using the free frags as the big hitter. looking at the skill bars of some of you sorcs in your videos they mostly revolve around Shields (which need to be kept up constantly) dots ( to trigger the frag procs) and bolt escape. So this addon basically makes the entire class incredibly simple to get maximum efficiency with big timers on all the key abilities on your bars.
This is besides the point tho imo, i would feel the same regardless which class was using similar addons.
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Pixysticks✭✭✭✭✭Pixysticks wrote: »I appreciate the comments, Hamon. It's pretty clear you dislike people who use potions and addons, so why not start your own thread on it instead of derailing this one for an entire day? I also suggest posting it somewhere other than the alliance war forums, because there's probably less than 1% of the PvP population that's going to agree with you on that.
no with all due respect pixy , its wrong to say i don't like people who use potions.. i hoped i'd made that clear. i have no axe to grind with anyone least of all you. you are using the tools available to you and that totally fine by me. i used addons in wow because they helped immensely with difficult raids. especially as a healer. i dont remember many ( i only played from vanilla to naxx) or even any addons related to pvp at that time.
ive even loaded up the sorc helper in ESO. now i'm simply making the observation that these addons greatly help to the point they become seen as mandatory. i stopped raiding in wow cos it got to the point i was playing the addons more than reacting to what was happening in the fight.
the sorc helper in eso makes the sorc class much much easier to be highly effective. to refuse to acknowledge that is mad. timers that make it simplicity itself to know exactly when to recast your shield at 1 second , making sure you never get caught without it is very big, knowing how log you have to fire your free frag again is very powerfull.
now this isnt a moan about sorcs , i just dont know of any addons available for other classes that have the same impact on combat effectivness.
i,m not sure which abilities on the other classes would benefit nearly as much as those examples do on the sorcerer. right now sorcerers are heavily dependant on keeping shields up and using the free frags as the big hitter. looking at the skill bars of some of you sorcs in your videos they mostly revolve around Shields (which need to be kept up constantly) dots ( to trigger the frag procs) and bolt escape. So this addon basically makes the entire class incredibly simple to get maximum efficiency with big timers on all the key abilities on your bars.
This is besides the point tho imo, i would feel the same regardless which class was using similar addons.
You made this same point one of your first posts, and I commented that the only reason I use Combat Cloud is to see how much damage I'm doing, but you ignored that comment and continued as if it hadn't been said. If the game showed you how much damage you did then I wouldn't need a mod. I've played Sorc since beta so I know when I have a frag proc up from the noise it makes alone, let alone the visual clue the game itself gives you. If you think that this one mod makes the entire class incredibly simple to get it's maximum efficiency, then I encourage you to download it and go out on your own in PvP to see.
I think the problem is that you don't really listen to anyone who responds to you, you have your response calculated out to whatever it is they're going to type before they even type it. That or you just aren't very experienced yourself in PvP or with some of the game's mechanics, so it's hard to understand the perspective that everyone else is trying to help you understand.
Regardless, I don't see why you're continuing to post in this thread when pretty much everyone has told you they have no interest in the point of view you're trying to repeatedly convey. Unless it turns out that you're actually one of these Sorcs that I fought in the video and you're offended to be in it or something?Alacrity
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Laerwen✭✭✭You sir, "tryhard" to make excuses for yourself to play badly. If youre not using potions, thats bad. If youre not using a proper UI to help you make decisions, thats also bad. Thats what UIs are supposed to do. Its impossible to recieve all of the necessary information required to make good decisions with the stock ui. The game was designed with an api so that we can present this information to the player in a clear way. Im not always looking at my hands to see if theyre glowing. Im looking at which direction that nightblade cloaked in, and im approximating how long I have before his friends in the distance will be in gap closing range etc. To be honest, with mage light and ward and all the other purple glowy *** going on, its hard to tell with a glance if I have a shard ready, and casting one if its not could be a death sentence.
If you tried as hard to play this game as you do making excuses for yourself to purposefully play at a disadvantage, you might actually win some fights eh?
Well, it's pretty hard to miss the sound of proccing fragments, but if you're seriously not sure, just have a look at the skill on your bar, it looks like "toggled on" when you have an instacast ready.
I didnt know that, thanks. For the record I dont use sorc helper, I use my own that adds a purple border to the game window when I have a frag proced. I can tell with my peripheral vision if one is ready.
The sound is not the issue here. If youre mindlessly DPSing a boss you throw a light attack and a shard on cue. In pvp its much different. You were dueling a dude and a frag proced. You heard it, fine, but you just got dragon leaped from behind. You cc broke and negotiated some distance. That dude you were dueling has a sliver of health left. Is your frag still ready?
The sound doesnt help you with that.
We have an interesting mechanic in frags that no other class has. Would it be super awesome if you had an internal frag clock and didnt use the UI? Maybe, but I for one use the UI because I'm bad at this game.
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Funny, that's exactly what I said when people were bashing on DK. And it hasn't changed, a lot of folks are still to dumb to figure out that scales reflect projectiles. Good luck defending sorc agaisnt the sea of QQ on these forums, you'll end up down here with dks soon hahaPixysticks wrote: »1 Minute preview of my first PvP Video; thanks for checking it out!
Looks pretty awesome so far man. The best part is all the terribads out there who are going to say the video is obviously proof that sorcs need nerfed......despite the fact you're fighting 3 other sorcs in a 3 on 1 (with streak it should be noted). These guys wouldn't know skill if it hit them upside the face (which in fact it does a few seconds before they're mounting their horse....again).
Clearly the only thing that needs nerfed are those those rocks! So OP.
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Nala_✭✭✭✭ive even loaded up the sorc helper in ESO. the sorc helper in eso makes the sorc class much much easierPixysticks wrote: »Unless it turns out that you're actually one of these Sorcs that I fought in the video and you're offended to be in it or something?
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Laerwen✭✭✭To be fair, 3 decent sorcs should have decimated a streak sorc. These guys were clearly pretty bad.0
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✭ive even loaded up the sorc helper in ESO. the sorc helper in eso makes the sorc class much much easierPixysticks wrote: »Unless it turns out that you're actually one of these Sorcs that I fought in the video and you're offended to be in it or something?
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well it was very easy to miss unlike a big box that pops up telling you its procced and counting down how long you have to fire it instantly,, same as with the shield timers... very helpfull to have a big box telling you how long eactly before it drops.
noticing all these things without the big boxes were how the game was designed. missing them could well be what makes the diffrence in the heat of a big battle. but alot of that has been negated by these addons imo..
i dont expect everyone to agree, i'm just expressing an opinion.
I dont even notice if Foundry has a Crystal Fragment notification but I guarantee you any half-decent sorc is fully aware of the Proc because there is an audible distinct sound and your hands glow brighter than hell.
The only reason most of us use addons is for the Scrolling Combat text and being able to see your actual stat values. I'm actually pretty amazed Pixy is able to tolerate not having an actual display of his health and shield values. The default bars are atrociously uninformative, especially if you use shields.
Know how long it has been since you last cast a shield is a nice benefit as well but in actual combat I don't even look at it because I'm recasting my shield every few seconds. Out of combat it lets me know at a glance that I'm about ready to need a refresh so I don't get 1-shotted by some patient little nightblade with a bow.
Other people use addons for interface simplifications and convenience. I know some of the best duelers out there don't use any at all (like Legendarymage I recall). It isn't necessary and it doesn't give you any sort of advantage over a player who isn't using mods, they're just convenience mods really.
As far as your view on tripots. I made probably 100-200K gold in AP per full day of PvP/grinding using Tri-pots, so they pretty much pay for themselves and then some since my Tripot stacks (over 7K atm) and gold are continuously increasing. On average I play 3-4 hours a day and do more things outside of this game than I do inside.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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That wasnt a shot at pixy, if theyre not bad, they most certainly played bad in the video. 3 sorcs working together should burn down a streak sorc in seconds.0 -
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yeah one thing ive noticed though when fighting sorcs is that the ones who use streak almost always know what theyre doing. i think its prolly because everyone just defaults to use the one that absorbs projectiles, so if someone is using streak theyre going to use it really well or else they would just use the other one because that one makes it alot easier to stay alive.0 -
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looking forward to the whole thing PATO. This needs more Ricky Martin btw. Edited by NedicWildling on April 23, 2015 6:12PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭sorcs working together should burn down a streak sorc in seconds.
yeah one thing ive noticed though when fighting sorcs is that the ones who use streak almost always know what theyre doing. i think its prolly because everyone just defaults to use the one that absorbs projectiles, so if someone is using streak theyre going to use it really well or else they would just use the other one because that one makes it alot easier to stay alive.
In my experience there are far more Streak sorcs who are not very good and die quickly than ones who are good. Germantrocity is the only good Streak sorc I can think of that I've fought since 1.6.
Those 3 sorcs are not very coordinated in the video and most of the damage done to pixy is pretty sporadic and unfocused. If they had all been spamming force pulse/crushing shock on him or overload there isn't much he could have done. If the sorc had been running sword/board with defensive posture when he cast meteor on them he would have been in trouble (although he probably wouldn't have cast it on them then).
Any time someone wins a 1 v X, it is easy to point out why they won. That takes nothing away from the person who did it, it's just the only way it is possible. 3 players playing at the top of their game will always beat 1 player playing at the top of their game no matter who they are or what class they are.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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krim✭✭✭✭✭NedicWildling wrote: »Kaghei still a better sorc... looking forward to the whole thing PATO. This needs more Ricky Martin btw.
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Kaghei✭✭✭NedicWildling wrote: »Kaghei still a better sorc... looking forward to the whole thing PATO. This needs more Ricky Martin btw.
Whats with the YANOESTOYAQUI?
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Nala_✭✭✭✭In my experience there are far more Streak sorcs who are not very good and die quickly than ones who are good.
95% of sorcs i fight use the absorb projectile ones. i cant really claim to know everything about those skills cuz im not a sorc but the ones i know who dont are prett, germantrocity and pixysticks. and those are pretty much the best sorcs i can think of so id say its gotta have some big perk, for them to be using it no?0 -
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✭✭✭✭In my experience there are far more Streak sorcs who are not very good and die quickly than ones who are good.
95% of sorcs i fight use the absorb projectile ones. i cant really claim to know everything about those skills cuz im not a sorc but the ones i know who dont are prett, germantrocity and pixysticks. and those are pretty much the best sorcs i can think of so id say its gotta have some big perk, for them to be using it no?
Yeah both of those sorcs are at the top of their game. I haven't run into Prett yet in 1.6 but I can believe he's tearing it up if he's still streak. Streak is amazing for bursting players down but it does limit some of your other 1vX options and it makes running from a hit-squad of chasing sorcs far more challenging. I'm still of a mind that it needs a 30-50% base damage boost but that's just me.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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Laerwen✭✭✭In my experience there are far more Streak sorcs who are not very good and die quickly than ones who are good.
95% of sorcs i fight use the absorb projectile ones. i cant really claim to know everything about those skills cuz im not a sorc but the ones i know who dont are prett, germantrocity and pixysticks. and those are pretty much the best sorcs i can think of so id say its gotta have some big perk, for them to be using it no?
Yeah both of those sorcs are at the top of their game. I haven't run into Prett yet in 1.6 but I can believe he's tearing it up if he's still streak. Streak is amazing for bursting players down but it does limit some of your other 1vX options and it makes running from a hit-squad of chasing sorcs far more challenging. I'm still of a mind that it needs a 30-50% base damage boost but that's just me.
Ive been going back and forth lately about the morph. On the one hand, ball will stun the person hitting you in the back of the head while youre trying to gtfo, streak wont. On the other hand streak can give you a moment to breathe when more than one person is wailing on you. Ball can too but the radius is really small. With streak you want to run through them instead of away if possible. Although the damage of streak leaves much to be desired, I cant tell you how satisfying it is to shut down a dodge roller long enough to frag them right in the fu***** forehead. Killing them with streak is a thing that happens sometimes too.Edited by Laerwen on April 23, 2015 8:27PM0 -
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✭NedicWildling wrote: »Kaghei still a better sorc... looking forward to the whole thing PATO. This needs more Ricky Martin btw.
Whats with the YANOESTOYAQUI?
theyre the mexican mafia man..its cool..day cool like dat.
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