Why is no one pointing out that playing as an Imperial is P2W?
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Zargorius✭✭✭✭Yes, it's #P2W, #ImperialsMasterRace, #YourRacialsSuck, #GetAJobYouHobo. Are you happy now? I am. I have an Imperial and I dominate everything, obviously.Honor is a dead man's code.2 -
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✭My imperial sorcerer is OP alright. I just press buttons and leave a pile of corpses wherever I go in Cyrodiil.0 -
zeuseason✭✭✭8 high level characters on my account, not a single Imperial. Their passives aren't that good compared to other's.1 -
I have the Imperial Edition. But i chose de redguard for a NighBlade Stamina for the combat stam regen and stamina on melee hits. Did i pick wrong?
Ill build a Stamina Templar, ad my prior choice was the Redguard again for combat stamina regen and stamina on hit. Should i go for the imperial?
I really didint think in all that diference.
In fact the really cool things of imperial edition was the free horses, free armor template changes and unrestricted races/start lands...3 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭Saying you have Imperial Edition and no Imperial toon is not even an argument against my post, it is just stating a fact...0 -
Rook_Master✭✭✭✭✭Reading these posts, I see that I severely underestimated people's ability to do math.
Imperial are simply superior to the other races. Do you think it's a coincidence that all min/maxing guides have Imperial as the racial choice?
The only exception is niche Magicka builds like Sorcs that can get away with having less health by stacking damage shields. And maybe Dunmer DK. And those are very marginal exceptions. They don't 'prove' that other races are viable. In EVERY other case, Imperial is superior. Imperial is even superior in most Magicka builds.
It is simply because of the overall higher resource pool. With their passive and food buff, Imperials are good to go in PvP and endgame PvE without any health points allocated or health gear enchants applied.
I've tried to warn people that if race changes are put in the Crown Store, this is going to be ESO: Imperials Unlimited.
There is a reason the demand for race changes is extremely high, and it has nothing to do with the passives being balanced.
Edited by Rook_Master on April 22, 2015 1:29PM2 -
Sylveria_Relden✭✭✭✭Apparently you've underestimated ZOS's ability to do math, too.
Game has been out for at least a year- they released Imperial at launch. Since that time, amongst hundreds of the same threads over that period of time, they haven't adjusted it to your liking.
I'd say that's "simple" enough math.
(apparently there's a reason they haven't changed it)Edited by Sylveria_Relden on April 22, 2015 1:35PMTL;DR - If you got this far without reading the entire post you're either too lazy or suck at reading comprehension and probably don't belong in a public forum anyway. Just move along, you wouldn't understand.3 -
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✭Sylveria_Relden wrote: »Apparently you've underestimated ZOS's ability to do math, too.
Game has been out for at least a year- they released Imperial at launch. Since that time, amongst hundreds of the same threads over that period of time, they haven't adjusted it to your liking.
I'd say that's "simple" enough math.
(apparently there's a reason they haven't changed it)
There were also softcaps holding them more in line w/ every other race for at least a year.
So you can't really say "Hey, it's been balanced for over a year now, why is it unbalanced now?".
Softcaps were removed. Stamina totals and regen are through the roof. That's recent, and they have already said that they would like to do a rebalancing pass on the races, but they clearly have a lot on their plate right now.
So this argument of "well, they haven't changed it yet so it must be fine" is completely moot. It's not IF they are going to change it, it's a question of WHEN.
My guess would be sometime after the next major update, which is scheduled after console release.2 -
Rook_Master✭✭✭✭✭If you think Zenimax is going to do anything about it, don't hold your breath.
The demand is high for $10-$20 race changes in the Crown Store.
If Imperials were actually balanced they wouldn't make as much money.0 -
Moonglum83✭✭✭Right! All of you, get a room! Seriously!
OT: You have to concede (when considering lore) that the Imperials would have some sort of advantage over the other races, being the descendants of Allesia and all - you know, that slave woman who whooped Ayleid arse.
Now, it is fine to feel that they are P2W, because it is your opinion after all, and it matters to you. I respect that. But imagine for a moment if you could adapt, and prove your worth as a hero of Tamriel by being just as good as an Imperial, but based on skill alone?
/sarcasm
Surely that trumps whatever mumbo-jumbo (mini mousing and pepsi maxing) these whippersnappers are going on about. /sarcasm1 -
giff2830_ESO✭✭I purchased it and don't have one Imperial character, that's how OP they are. If I get killed by someone playing as Imperial, I was going to get killed anyway.
Same here. Have Imperial, don't use imperial. Nords and DE's rule all, because they fit me best. I despise the Min/Max mentality.
That being said, I guess to each their own, if min/max'ing is the way you want to play I guess it's your choice but can't people just have fun and quit dissecting every single thing in every single game......Do some people even play games for fun anymore?? Spreadsheet BS....
Edited by giff2830_ESO on April 22, 2015 2:01PM1 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭giff2830_ESO wrote: »I purchased it and don't have one Imperial character, that's how OP they are. If I get killed by someone playing as Imperial, I was going to get killed anyway.
Same here. Have Imperial, don't use imperial. Nords and DE's rule all, because they fit me best. I despise the Min/Max mentality.
That being said, I guess to each their own, if min/max'ing is the way you want to play I guess it's your choice but can't people just have fun and quit dissecting every single thing in every single game......Do some people even play games for fun anymore?? Spreadsheet BS....
Trying to make the best build is fun for us...1 -
Dositheus✭✭✭As I stated earlier, Redguard makes for great melee stam builds. You don't need any + stam recovery gear, which Imperials definitely do. I've fought countless people, who weren't imperial, and are damn good and take pvp in the game seriously. And these are people with multiple vr14s, who would have purchased the imperial edition and gone that route if they felt it gave them enough of an advantage.
This entire thread is "Much Ado About Nothing" as they say. I did a Redguard through Beta, I've played with an Argonian, and finally an Imperial. Honestly, I'd probably do Redguard again if I rolled another stam character. Argonian could use some love though, I'll admit. Khajits were the rage early on, Dunmer was the rage when everyone was a vamp. Bosmer is very popular right now with WW stam builds, since it allows them to have great regen etc and a good bump out of stealth.
Imperial is not better than every other race, as so many people have had to beat the dead horse here to explain over and over. The only thing Imperial is the best race for that I can think of, is those who want flexibility to go either stam or magica.
So.. someone wanted to complain about the theoretical bump to damage that you get from being an Imperial. Now.. with my Redguard I ran with 10 health, 50 or whatever stam. I MIGHT run 10 health, maybe 52 stam if I did a Redguard again.. but then again, I'd probably just do 62 stam and call it good. You'll die regardless of what your hp is if you're not rolling etc.
But.. LETS say that I went 10 health, 52 stam. Those 10 points in health would give... what? 10*121=1210 hp?(1355 for an imperial?) Ok... half a light attack or so. And let's say we toss those in stamina. 10*111=1110(1221 for Imperial). Ok... lets say that the Imperial tossed those in stam, and the Redguard for some reason did not (even though everyone would....). 1221 divided by 10.5 (rounded up from 10.48)=116. Ok. So, the Imperial was able to snag a theoretical 116 equiv weapon damage out of his stats, that the Redguard could not. On the surface, that is the appearance. ALTHOUGH... most Redguards would simply have dumped them in stam and been equal anyway, since you're a glass cannon as a stam build regardless. But, lets say they did. None the less, the Imperial has to run a set that gives some + stam recovery. With that in mind, they are going to have to make some trades. A Redguard, doesn't have to do that since their regen is rather impressive.. and they can thus itemize purely weapon damage and be fine. IE, do what a contact of mine does and run 2 purely weapon damage sets with 0 regen. They're snagging well more than 116 weapon damage off of their weapon damage sets, more than offsetting the "Theoretical" extra damage that an Imperial could have... if the Redguard didn't dump all in stam. I'll ask them today if they put any in health... I'm almost certain they didn't though.
For magika races, I'm sure others can chime in with similar examples.0 -
eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Who necro'd this topic from the beta? Seriously the Imperials have been out for a year now and suddenly this is an issue to cry over? If they were really that OP all you would see are Imperials. This comes from nothing more than people crying over $10. Please grow up.:trollin:2 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Who necro'd this topic from the beta? Seriously the Imperials have been out for a year now and suddenly this is an issue to cry over? If they were really that OP all you would see are Imperials. This comes from nothing more than people crying over $10. Please grow up.
Again, it was not an issue when there were soft caps... Now that they are removed, it is a greater issue...3 -
It isn't that expensive to buy imperial edition. I have no job and when I first heard of the game about a year before it came out I saved ever since then and managed to barely get enough money to buy it. If you have a job and can afford it that's far better than the people I know that saved for long periods of time beforehand. You must have weighed it on a scale and decided it wasn't worth it and that's that. Plus I play as a red haired and have defeated many imperials so don't go saying they are just stronger, it also takes skill. I don't like when people ignore the individuals skill because it makes it like a player doesn't matter. So there is no reason of not getting imperial edition short of not having a pc or not caring about the extra options.Edited by MarconiusBal on April 22, 2015 2:40PM0 -
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:'( I'll keep my Breton sorc thanks. The magicka passives are much better for him. As I said, if they were really that OP then you would see a lot more of them.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Who necro'd this topic from the beta? Seriously the Imperials have been out for a year now and suddenly this is an issue to cry over? If they were really that OP all you would see are Imperials. This comes from nothing more than people crying over $10. Please grow up.
Again, it was not an issue when there were soft caps... Now that they are removed, it is a greater issue...
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MorHawk✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Who necro'd this topic from the beta? Seriously the Imperials have been out for a year now and suddenly this is an issue to cry over? If they were really that OP all you would see are Imperials. This comes from nothing more than people crying over $10. Please grow up.
Again, it was not an issue when there were soft caps... Now that they are removed, it is a greater issue...
Six pages in, and people still don't seem to grasp this simple concept. Things have changed. The racials are now worth more than before. This needs to be frigging fixed.I can count to potato.
WWJLHD?Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »another topic that cant see past its own farts.1 -
eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Who necro'd this topic from the beta? Seriously the Imperials have been out for a year now and suddenly this is an issue to cry over? If they were really that OP all you would see are Imperials. This comes from nothing more than people crying over $10. Please grow up.
Again, it was not an issue when there were soft caps... Now that they are removed, it is a greater issue...
Six pages in, and people still don't seem to grasp this simple concept. Things have changed. The racials are now worth more than before. This needs to be frigging fixed.
That still doesn't make it P2W. The race and the bonuses didn't change, just everything else. Honestly I wouldn't hold your breath; it's unlikely any changes are going to happen to the Imperials so instead of whining about it, it's probably best to just accept it and move on.:trollin:0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Who necro'd this topic from the beta? Seriously the Imperials have been out for a year now and suddenly this is an issue to cry over? If they were really that OP all you would see are Imperials. This comes from nothing more than people crying over $10. Please grow up.
Again, it was not an issue when there were soft caps... Now that they are removed, it is a greater issue...
Six pages in, and people still don't seem to grasp this simple concept. Things have changed. The racials are now worth more than before. This needs to be frigging fixed.
That still doesn't make it P2W. The race and the bonuses didn't change, just everything else. Honestly I wouldn't hold your breath; it's unlikely any changes are going to happen to the Imperials so instead of whining about it, it's probably best to just accept it and move on.
Devs have already stated (more than once) that they would like to do a balance pass on all of the races.
And it's NEVER best to just accept imbalance and move on. What is this, 1920?1 -
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✭Imperial is largely regarded as the superior race in ESO given the passive abilities. What is the only way to be able to play as an Imperial?... That is right, you had to purchase the Imperial Edition of the game which had a higher price tag. This is the definition of P2W (paying money to get a statistical advantage)... ZOS either needs to balance all passives, or give everyone the option at any time to change their race to imperial for free.
Some kids go to Harvard. Some kids don't go to Harvard. Pay to win?“Whatever.”
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »Imperial is largely regarded as the superior race in ESO given the passive abilities. What is the only way to be able to play as an Imperial?... That is right, you had to purchase the Imperial Edition of the game which had a higher price tag. This is the definition of P2W (paying money to get a statistical advantage)... ZOS either needs to balance all passives, or give everyone the option at any time to change their race to imperial for free.
Some kids go to Harvard. Some kids don't go to Harvard. Pay to win?
Is there an entrance exam to buy the Imperial Edition now? o.O0 -
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✭✭✭✭Even the best whiners can only whine about the same thing for so long. The imperial ptw whining ran its course around launch.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)0 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Who necro'd this topic from the beta? Seriously the Imperials have been out for a year now and suddenly this is an issue to cry over? If they were really that OP all you would see are Imperials. This comes from nothing more than people crying over $10. Please grow up.
Again, it was not an issue when there were soft caps... Now that they are removed, it is a greater issue...
Six pages in, and people still don't seem to grasp this simple concept. Things have changed. The racials are now worth more than before. This needs to be frigging fixed.
That still doesn't make it P2W. The race and the bonuses didn't change, just everything else. Honestly I wouldn't hold your breath; it's unlikely any changes are going to happen to the Imperials so instead of whining about it, it's probably best to just accept it and move on.
Thus making the racial passives more effective...
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akray21✭✭✭✭✭People need to stop ignoring that the game has changed which has made Imperial passives more powerful than at launch2
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Etaniel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's a trade off. Every race has it's strength and weakness. HP is imperials strength. You're pointing out imperial strengths and every other races weakness.
I could just as easily point out imperials weakness and other races strengths.
22% overall stat increase outclasses every single other race by about 10%.
Yes..pay no attention to the other class's damage increases, or damage mitigation or regen bonuses. /facepalm
Oh, I am paying full attention to them.
And they don't even come close to comparing to the huge flat % increases that Imp provides.
Regen? Are you serious right now? Do you even PLAY this game at a high level? o.O
Regen is worthless atm thanks to passives / etc, unless you are trying to put together some kind of gimmicky dodge roll build. Except for restore-type regen, like Redguards have. Hey, who else gets one of those? Oh, right, IMPERIALS do.
ahah ahahh hahahahaha regen is worthless lmao best quote 2015 mate. Regen is so much better than high stats ! (at least in PvP)0 -
Kupoking✭✭✭✭✭Imperials are not the best race. The most flat out stats does ot make them in any way superior.1