Why is no one pointing out that playing as an Imperial is P2W?

akray21

Imperial is largely regarded as the superior race in ESO given the passive abilities. What is the only way to be able to play as an Imperial?... That is right, you had to purchase the Imperial Edition of the game which had a higher price tag. This is the definition of P2W (paying money to get a statistical advantage)... ZOS either needs to balance all passives, or give everyone the option at any time to change their race to imperial for free.

nerevarine1138

Doc! I have to tell you about the future!

Oh, sorry. I thought that we'd time traveled, because this issue has been rehashed to the point of me wanting to throw my computer through the wall.

Knight150

Jealous much ? want it, pay for it jeez

Bloodfang

There are some Races which get a much better statistical advantage with other many playstyles.
Imperial Race is great, but it's not the only Race with great Passives.
If anything a few other Races need their Passives buffed, oh and it's not P2W.

UrQuan

Yeah, why is no one pointing out something that people have been bringing up again and again since launch (and probably before launch too)?

Sacadon

akray21 wrote: »

Imperial is largely regarded as the superior race in ESO given the passive abilities. What is the only way to be able to play as an Imperial?... That is right, you had to purchase the Imperial Edition of the game which had a higher price tag. This is the definition of P2W (paying money to get a statistical advantage)... ZOS either needs to balance all passives, or give everyone the option at any time to change their race to imperial for free.

The bolded section of your comment is inaccurate. Yes Imperial has strong passives, but for some playstyles and goals Altmer or Breton could be far superior.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

The argument generally didn't hold as much weight when there were softcaps. Now that softcaps are gone? Yeah, this is an issue.

But it has been discussed. A lot.

akray21

Sacadon wrote: »

akray21 wrote: »

Imperial is largely regarded as the superior race in ESO given the passive abilities. What is the only way to be able to play as an Imperial?... That is right, you had to purchase the Imperial Edition of the game which had a higher price tag. This is the definition of P2W (paying money to get a statistical advantage)... ZOS either needs to balance all passives, or give everyone the option at any time to change their race to imperial for free.

The bolded section of your comment is inaccurate. Yes Imperial has strong passives, but for some playstyles and goals Altmer or Breton could be far superior.

That does not make the bold inaccurate... Imperial is still thought of by many as the superior race in ESO.

SHADOW2KK

Not this kind of rant again, seriously...

If you want it, buy it, if you don`t want it, then don`t buy it = simples.

I bought the Imperial Edition Early Access long ago, it has bonuses attached.

So there really is nothing really new here.

Chillic

I purchased it and don't have one Imperial character, that's how OP they are. If I get killed by someone playing as Imperial, I was going to get killed anyway.

Evandus

akray21 wrote: »

Imperial is largely regarded as the superior race in ESO given the passive abilities. What is the only way to be able to play as an Imperial?... That is right, you had to purchase the Imperial Edition of the game which had a higher price tag. This is the definition of P2W (paying money to get a statistical advantage)... ZOS either needs to balance all passives, or give everyone the option at any time to change their race to imperial for free.

Imperials are not the best race for every class actually.

Nords, and Argonians need an upgrade, as they have fallen behind.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I've found it odd. You get people posting saying paying for a specific race that might be be better then the rest is not pay to win. Yet a buyable race change would be pay to win since you could switch to a better race.

I don't think pay to win has much meaning any more. People use it to label things they disagree with.

BBSooner

Hey guys, did you hear? Imperials are P2W

Saturn

It is not pay to win.. The class in itself is not as powerful as you think. I see the majority of Dragonknights playing as Dark Elves for the increased fire damage. Templars/Sorcerers playing as either High Elves or Bretons for magicka benefits. And finally Nightblades as either Wood Elves or Khajiits for stamina benefits or critical strike rating. The only use I can really see for Imperials are for Tanks because of the extra health and stamina, but honestly for tanking you can be any race and class. Racial benefits seem to matter the most for DPSes and among all the endgame players I see no Imperials compared to the other races.

MCMancub

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I've found it odd. You get people posting saying paying for a specific race that might be be better then the rest is not pay to win. Yet a buyable race change would be pay to win since you could switch to a better race.

I don't think pay to win has much meaning any more. People use it to label things they disagree with.

Couldn't agree more. Imperials are strictly better at DW PVE DPS than Redguards, a race that is supposed to be solely focused on stamina based aspects of play. Imperials end up with the same stamina and twice as much health. Definitely not P2W though.

akray21

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I've found it odd. You get people posting saying paying for a specific race that might be be better then the rest is not pay to win. Yet a buyable race change would be pay to win since you could switch to a better race.

I don't think pay to win has much meaning any more. People use it to label things they disagree with.

Exactly... Everyone that says this is ok, should be ok with a race change in the crown store.

If you couldn't tell... I was being sarcastic about no one bringing this up....

Audigy

Could you maybe list why they have an edge over others? Is it just some type of min / max issue, or a real gamebreaker?

I play Breton and Redguard and find them sufficient. That said, I pick my race and class because of the immersion and story I have in mind and not because of their stats

MCMancub

Audigy wrote: »

Could you maybe list why they have an edge over others? Is it just some type of min / max issue, or a real gamebreaker?

I play Breton and Redguard and find them sufficient. That said, I pick my race and class because of the immersion and story I have in mind and not because of their stats

I picked Redguards because I knew what I wanted to play as (stamina based DPS) and did not have access to Imperials. I was a little disappointing to find out that Imperials are essentially Redguards with lots more health.

Fleshreaper

Yes, this ESO is P2W because if you want to win you have to buy the game.

akray21 wrote: »

Imperial is largely regarded as the superior race in ESO given the passive abilities. What is the only way to be able to play as an Imperial?... That is right, you had to purchase the Imperial Edition of the game which had a higher price tag. This is the definition of P2W (paying money to get a statistical advantage)... ZOS either needs to balance all passives, or give everyone the option at any time to change their race to imperial for free.

Putting it like that. I guess this is a Pay 2 Win game. You can't win unless you pony up and buy the game. Because you sure can't win if you have not purchase the game.

Victus

I picked Redguard as I wanted to play an ancestor to my Skyrim character (also a Redguard) and made him a DK tank.

Cuyler

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akray21 wrote: »

ZOS either needs to balance all passives, or give everyone the option at any time to change their race to imperial for free.

Even if you had an option to change races you wouldn't be able to change to imperial without paying for it first...just saying

Evandus

Audigy wrote: »

Could you maybe list why they have an edge over others? Is it just some type of min / max issue, or a real gamebreaker?

I play Breton and Redguard and find them sufficient. That said, I pick my race and class because of the immersion and story I have in mind and not because of their stats

It's a min/max issue. But only for certain classes/roles. Imperial tanks are generally a step above Redguard ones. I have the Imperial Edition, but still chose to run a Redguard as my main. Frankly put, he does quite well as a DK tank.

milkbox

I often played an Imperial in other TES games because they were charming- got discounts from merchants and could ply information from NPCs more easily.

Once I found out that wasn't a buff in TESO, I made my one Imperial an inventory mule. He hasn't surpassed level 3.

But at least I got a horse.

Snit

Some people set the "win" bar really low.

Cuyler

It's a trade off. Every race has it's strength and weakness. HP is imperials strength. You're pointing out imperial strengths and every other races weakness.

I could just as easily point out imperials weakness and other races strengths.

MCMancub

Cuyler wrote: »

It's a trade off. Every race has it's strength and weakness. HP is imperials strength. You're pointing out imperial strengths and every other races weakness.

I could just as easily point out imperials weakness and other races strengths.

Except for the Redguard "strength" (the one that Imperial doesn't also get) is just Stamina Regen, which is something that everyone can now get plenty of through Champion Points and is even less desirable than Stamina Cost Reduction. I would swap my Redguard Stamina PVE DPS for an Imperial immediately if you offered it to me.

Dixa

yes. i def feel the overpower of the imp race when i rolled up a sorc or templar magicka based....


....oh wait, no I didn't.

Teiji

L2P.

Sincerely; a Bosmer, Dunmer enthusiast.

akray21

Dixa wrote: »

yes. i def feel the overpower of the imp race when i rolled up a sorc or templar magicka based....


....oh wait, no I didn't.

Then you don't know how to min/max... The Imperial passive of 12% max health means you have to dedicate nothing to health, not even a single attribute point. This allows you to have sufficent health for end game PvE and PvP activities while using all of your attribute points, set bonuses, glyps, etc., for magicka...

eventide03b14a_ESO

I don't think you understand what P2W is. Unlocking a race by purchase is not P2W. You still have to level it up and it really doesn't come with any large advantages over the others. I actually prefer the Breton passives despite owning the Imperial addition.

Sylvyr

Imperials ain't got nothin compared to Argonians.