Earning EXP is such an inconvenience. How about just selling max cp toons?

Jules wrote: »

Yinmaigao wrote: »

Simply being better than someone for no reason other than seniority is not a good policy in my opinion.

Yeah you're right, it's way better buying your way to the top.

I am not sure why people default to snarky comments rather than acknowledging that both sides have valid points.

Rather than take your comment to parabolic extreme, I am just suggesting that they have a good use as a catch-up mechanism.

No good will come from just being rude and condescending.

Yinmaigao wrote: »

While I can appreciate your point of view, I don't see how it is "just like better equipment".

You still have to get out there and do stuff to get the points... use a potion and just sit around or can't play your class well? Guess what? No points for you...

Additionally, what use would an XP potion serve outside of CPs? You already level 1-50 super fast, VR are painful but meh. And any "serious" gamer is going to play through all the story quests for the skill points, so if they are using an XP potion they would just be doing grey quests before too long.

If AVA is the concern, I once again state that giving someone who doesn't know what they are doing an "unfair advantage" is not likely to make a large impact if they can't play their class.

Also, how does some random person have X number of CPs impact your game play? Outside of the most extreme cases in AVA, the only impact it would have on you is to benefit you in group content. If you are afraid of grouping with someone who looks good on paper, but doesn't cut it... I suggest grouping with friends or guildmates or something then.

I see a lot of people getting upset simply because "I did it first, so it's not fair if someone can be as good as me". I don't by that answer. Simply being better than someone for no reason other than seniority is not a good policy in my opinion.

I understand my opinion is controversial and disliked by many, but I am sure there are others that share my point of view.

P2W, pay money, buy bags, open them, get a piece of uber equipment.

P2W 2.0 - Pay money, buy XP potions, which lets you get CPs faster and faster...all CPs are, are boosts to your stats.

All better equipment is, is boosts to your stats.

It would be different if there was a reachable level cap, like VR14. But with basically unlimited CPs, XP boost potions, are just ability boost potions.

Yinmaigao wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Yinmaigao wrote: »

Simply being better than someone for no reason other than seniority is not a good policy in my opinion.

Yeah you're right, it's way better buying your way to the top.

I am not sure why people default to snarky comments rather than acknowledging that both sides have valid points.

Rather than take your comment to parabolic extreme, I am just suggesting that they have a good use as a catch-up mechanism.

No good will come from just being rude and condescending.

You're right and I'm sorry. That was sarcastic and rude.

In the efforts of moving beyond this, sure, let's chat about the legitimacy of cp gains from xp crown potions. This idea does have the nice potential aspect of helping people catch up.

That I don't mind, to an extent. Sure, give these people enough CP to be viable and enough to be competitive. That is fair.

However, I don't believe that someone who just picked up the game should have the same CP level as someone like me who has been playing the game since launch. Not now, maybe not ever. Yes, I have a head start. Shouldn't I? I paid for this now b2p game for a year through bugs and lags and infinite load screens ect. I have 3 v14's and over a hundred days played time in under a year. There are thousands like me that constantly get the shaft and these CP gains from XP potions are just one more example of that. Zos seems to have no sense of loyalty to the customers that have such loyalty to them and that's where people get frustrated. It seems that with this, Zos indirectly equates all of our hard work and loyalty over the last year to however much they charge for these pots.

The CP gains from XP potions is a total double-edged sword. Bc while you help the newbies catch up, you also help those at 230+ CP points get to 500+ CP points at much faster rates than those not willing to pay. That is the part that is P2W. There would have to be a cap of some sort that would stop this from happening. Perhaps increased CP gains until CP rank 70 where we all started. I can't be sure the best way to balance this but would be willing to hear your feedback.

Again, sorry for giving you crap.

PKMN12 wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

How can ANYONE justify these xp potions affecting CP?!?! Are you guys serious?? Everyone's always talking about not wanting serious gear advantages ect in the crown store bc it's P2W. That's 100% what CP gains from crown store potions are. It's even BETTER than BIS gear because CHAMPION POINTS DONT GO OUT OF STYLE. This is a P2W idea. There is no logical dispute to that.

Agreed with @Erock25 they should affect level gain to get to max rank and no more.

Anything more is a serious threat to the integrity of the game.

You only get something faster, not however something better. The XP gained by the potions will be used for the same perks in the CS. Selling unique gear however is a different topic, so are bank slots, char slots ...

Faster is never pay 2 win, only better is.

because CP = stats infintiley, there is no real limit. This means, that those who USE the potions at endgame will ALWAYS be stroger then those who do not, no questions asked.

If this happens, this game will die faster then you can say "perfect world international all over again"

THISX1000

Jules wrote: »

Yinmaigao wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Yinmaigao wrote: »

Simply being better than someone for no reason other than seniority is not a good policy in my opinion.

Yeah you're right, it's way better buying your way to the top.

I am not sure why people default to snarky comments rather than acknowledging that both sides have valid points.

Rather than take your comment to parabolic extreme, I am just suggesting that they have a good use as a catch-up mechanism.

No good will come from just being rude and condescending.

You're right and I'm sorry. That was sarcastic and rude.

In the efforts of moving beyond this, sure, let's chat about the legitimacy of cp gains from xp crown potions. This idea does have the nice potential aspect of helping people catch up.

That I don't mind, to an extent. Sure, give these people enough CP to be viable and enough to be competitive. That is fair.

However, I don't believe that someone who just picked up the game should have the same CP level as someone like me who has been playing the game since launch. Not now, maybe not ever. Yes, I have a head start. Shouldn't I? I paid for this now b2p game for a year through bugs and lags and infinite load screens ect. I have 3 v14's and over a hundred days played time in under a year. There are thousands like me that constantly get the shaft and these CP gains from XP potions are just one more example of that. Zos seems to have no sense of loyalty to the customers that have such loyalty to them and that's where people get frustrated. It seems that with this, Zos indirectly equates all of our hard work and loyalty over the last year to however much they charge for these pots.

The CP gains from XP potions is a total double-edged sword. Bc while you help the newbies catch up, you also help those at 230+ CP points get to 500+ CP points at much faster rates than those not willing to pay. That is the part that is P2W. There would have to be a cap of some sort that would stop this from happening. Perhaps increased CP gains until CP rank 70 where we all started. I can't be sure the best way to balance this but would be willing to hear your feedback.

Again, sorry for giving you crap.

No worries, no offense taken. It is a very heated subject, and there are many strong opinions representing both sides.

Back on track though... how would everyone feel if say... They took the average number of CPs most VR14 characters have (ARBITRARY NUMBER 100) and don't allow the potion to function beyond this? That way it is a good catch-up mechanism, but can not be abused?

Just spit-ballin' here. What do you all think?

lordrichter wrote: »

My hope is that this is a 10% boost, like ESO Plus, and that it is only for players that are not ESO Plus members.

Why would they not offer cp boost? It's like some of you selfishly want to hold others back..... perhaps you can just get in your car drive down the freeway and sit in the fast lane while going under the speed limit.

PKMN12 wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

My hope is that this is a 10% boost, like ESO Plus, and that it is only for players that are not ESO Plus members.

Why would they not offer cp boost? It's like some of you selfishly want to hold others back..... perhaps you can just get in your car drive down the freeway and sit in the fast lane while going under the speed limit.

because we are not stupid. You DO realise those "Casual" players you pretend to defend are not as likely going to buy them as the hardcore players who are already above you anway and with a CP boost, would be so far above you, you might as well just give up playing the game since you will never stand in PVP and are much less likely to get a PVE PUG going

Yes yes yes yes.

Destai wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Yinmaigao wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Yinmaigao wrote: »

Simply being better than someone for no reason other than seniority is not a good policy in my opinion.

Yeah you're right, it's way better buying your way to the top.

I am not sure why people default to snarky comments rather than acknowledging that both sides have valid points.

Rather than take your comment to parabolic extreme, I am just suggesting that they have a good use as a catch-up mechanism.

No good will come from just being rude and condescending.

You're right and I'm sorry. That was sarcastic and rude.

In the efforts of moving beyond this, sure, let's chat about the legitimacy of cp gains from xp crown potions. This idea does have the nice potential aspect of helping people catch up.

That I don't mind, to an extent. Sure, give these people enough CP to be viable and enough to be competitive. That is fair.

However, I don't believe that someone who just picked up the game should have the same CP level as someone like me who has been playing the game since launch. Not now, maybe not ever. Yes, I have a head start. Shouldn't I? I paid for this now b2p game for a year through bugs and lags and infinite load screens ect. I have 3 v14's and over a hundred days played time in under a year. There are thousands like me that constantly get the shaft and these CP gains from XP potions are just one more example of that. Zos seems to have no sense of loyalty to the customers that have such loyalty to them and that's where people get frustrated. It seems that with this, Zos indirectly equates all of our hard work and loyalty over the last year to however much they charge for these pots.

The CP gains from XP potions is a total double-edged sword. Bc while you help the newbies catch up, you also help those at 230+ CP points get to 500+ CP points at much faster rates than those not willing to pay. That is the part that is P2W. There would have to be a cap of some sort that would stop this from happening. Perhaps increased CP gains until CP rank 70 where we all started. I can't be sure the best way to balance this but would be willing to hear your feedback.

Again, sorry for giving you crap.

Eloquently stated. Through sound logic maybe we can yet defeat the f2p, p2w, and buy your way through a game ideals!

Thanks and I hope so!! The game certainly depends on it... So, no pressure.

Xjcon wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

My hope is that this is a 10% boost, like ESO Plus, and that it is only for players that are not ESO Plus members.

Why would they not offer cp boost? It's like some of you selfishly want to hold others back..... perhaps you can just get in your car drive down the freeway and sit in the fast lane while going under the speed limit.

Actually, the CP were all earned in-game by players already. A more apt analogy would be a newer player wanting to put speed spike strips in front of the fast lane on the highway so they can catch up. Not very fair for the guys already driving .

Xjcon wrote: »

Destai wrote: »

Yinmaigao wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Yinmaigao wrote: »

Simply being better than someone for no reason other than seniority is not a good policy in my opinion.

Yeah you're right, it's way better buying your way to the top.

I am not sure why people default to snarky comments rather than acknowledging that both sides have valid points.

Rather than take your comment to parabolic extreme, I am just suggesting that they have a good use as a catch-up mechanism.

No good will come from just being rude and condescending.

Both sides don't have valid points, that's the thing. Buying experience is ANY form is circumventing, whether sanctioned or not. I really hate how modern gaming has become like this. Zenimax could try selling expansions and DLC to start with and keep with the original spirit of this game. F2P and it's advocate are part of the problem with modern gaming. Gaming used to be immersive and fun, now it's a wallet-drawing competition. I'm really sad this game is going this direction instead of something more wholesome.

If only the world handed out free houses and food for those guys/gals that work their life away making this game, then I bet they would be less inclined to want the company to make a profit.

A good cash shop design can use cosmetics (not ones earnable in game), fun fluff like firework consumables, and introducing new content, zones, quests, etc. to expand the gameplay, which all result in brisk sales. Selling power isn't the only thing you can put on there . Add more things like I listed, and I'd buy 'em all up very, very readily.

Destai wrote: »

Only one side has a valid point. Buying experience is ANY form is circumventing the game, whether sanctioned or not. I really hate how modern gaming has become like this. Zenimax could try selling expansions and DLC to start with and keep with the original spirit of this game. F2P and it's advocate are part of the problem with modern gaming. People can't be bothered to play the game, instead little things are chopped off and packaged that previously were earned. Earned. In game. I'm sorry but there's no justification for wanting to circumvent core gaming functionality. If you dont't like leveling, it comes down to two things. A. ZOS needs to make it more enjoyable. B. You're playing the wrong game. Gaming used to be immersive and fun, now it's a wallet-drawing competition. I'm really sad this game is going this direction instead of something more wholesome. There's only one thing I plan on buying from ZOS - more game. Speaking with my wallet.

It is interesting to observe that a lot of people do say they want to play the game, but then are immediately looking to pay to speed up or skip actually playing the game. I agree wholeheartedly with the point about leveling needing to be improved if that's the issue people are complaining about (or those people just may not like a given game, which is fine! People have different preferences and not everyone's going to love every game they try), though I think it's really the veteran level xp that's gotten worse from a fun standpoint due to grinding being the only speedy option with how low a percentage the quests, poi's, dolmens, etc. have been set to now (those should be raised upwards towards grinding's speed).

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We don't have an ETA on them, @hummice, but we'll let everyone know when they're in the Crown Store. The details of how they work, who can use them, the duration, etc. are still being tweaked, too.

Hint at not usable at max level?

Audigy,

Right now xp=cp, assuming your on a post 50 toon. They havnt stated the facts yet, but short thereof, you can also assume that this would not change just because you use a pot.

The point of this all, and my previous statement is:

XP pots give CP gain too = P2W is here

XP Pots do not give you CP = another pointless crown store item (the xp system is out of balance now - questing takes you to the point you fight grey mob)