The Barber Shop is done. The Ignored Community Input is Here:

MissBizz · April 2015

Hey look! I'm famous

Anyways, that looks really good! My only input is that while I understand new hairstyles may be a crown shop thing, it would be nice that SOME new styles get made available for gold as well. On that note, I also would like to see the "character creation token" available for in game gold.

Frawr · April 2015

I would suggest a system more like Star Wars Galaxies.

Give us a skill line for barbershop which is levelled up by doing alterations. Levelling up the skill line should give access to more diverse styles, even more than currently available in character creation.

ItsGlaive · April 2015

Needs to be waaaay more than just hair and tats. If it's just hair and tats there'll be a lot of disappointment. Needs full face and body customisation too. Facial features, body shape, height, skin colour etc.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · April 2015

Heruthema wrote: »

What I do not understand and maybe someone can explain it is why is everybody on a 'pay to change your looks' kick? Why is this not a 'free to change' item.

It's something people have been wanting forever, it's just now with the Crown Store ZOS has more incentive to implement it to gain revenue. People want the feature, like the game, and thus think putting it up for sale in the Crown Store would be a good way to achieve that. I don't like monetization either and would much rather have it implemented into the gameworld like others have described, but unfortunately we don't have that luxury anymore now that the game is B2P/Cash Shop-based.

Glurin · April 2015

Heruthema wrote: »

What I do not understand and maybe someone can explain it is why is everybody on a 'pay to change your looks' kick? Why is this not a 'free to change' item. What is the hesitation in allowing me to change the looks of MY character? The preview in the setup does not do justice to the actual end result.
Why should I be limited to either rolling a new character or living with mistakes? How does the ability to change appearance have an effect on anyone else in the game? Most of the time when you create a character you can not get a good feel for their appearance until you have played them for a while. Do the features work with the armor or does the voice fit, etc?
This should be a free option given to users.
How do my character decisions change anything for anyone else in the game?

I think it's because the game went B2P so people think ZOS is on the verge of complete and total bankruptcy and has to monetize absolutely everything just to stay alive, not realizing that monetizing everything is a surefire way of killing it by turning it into another copy of every other P2W MMO out there. That and they apparently have lots of money to burn on things like changing a character's skin color. (Or they just don't realized how credit cards really work.

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I totally agree with you that the ability to alter your character after creation is something that should be in the game for free. (Free as in doesn't cost extra RL money.) It's not something extra, like different mount skins or different costumes. It's something you already had access to. Plus, it's your character. How it looks is something very important since you'll be spending a lot of time with them. Unlocking new options is one thing, but just being able to alter what you already could and is just cosmetic is something that we shouldn't be forced to pay for again and again.

And like I said, what happens if all you want to change is the size of the ears or the shape of the jaw? Being forced to pay real money for a full remake just to change one or two little details is just wrong. At least if you're paying gold for a full remake to do it, the sting is virtual and lets those with tight budgets have access to it as well.

Davadin · April 2015

love everything in OP, HOWEVER....

1. gold prices should be more expensive. make it 10x, i don't care. but changing your look (in my honest opinion) should have more "permanent feel" to it. not something you can do 10x a day, every day. After all, hair does NOT grow that fast. (ps: and think about the khajits and argons)
2. hair and facial hair should have a time limit. there must be at least a 24hr cooldown, or 7 days cooldown (even better!), for the same point above.
3. Tatoos or scars or body marking, I really REALLY hope would be permanent. Let that sink into your mind for moment. Tattoos. Scars. Agree?
4. I'm 100% ok that all hair styles available currently in-game during character creation is immediately available, but new styles available in crown store. My point is, i don't want barber shop to start with even LESS option than current char creation.
5. No - I repeat, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - hair dye. You pick a color during char creation, you stick with it. I swear the day I see somebody with green or pink hair running around, not only I will boycott the game, I will do my very best to advise all of my guilds to leave with me.

thanks,

Gidorick · April 2015

For those asking for the character editor and new hair styles to be purchasable with in game gold, how do you prepare ZOS make money to cover the costs of developing this system? Where's their return?

ZOS needs to make money. They NEED to. We want these changes. The best way for us to get our wants fulfilled is to find a way for the fulfillment of our wants to also fulfill ZOS' needs.

I have some ideas on how to open it up from behind the Crown wall, while incorporateing some of my previous ideas of mine. I'll add these ideas later.

Jayne_Doe · April 2015

Davadin wrote: »

5. No - I repeat, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - hair dye. You pick a color during char creation, you stick with it. I swear the day I see somebody with green or pink hair running around, not only I will boycott the game, I will do my very best to advise all of my guilds to leave with me.

thanks,

The ability to change your hair color doesn't mean dying it pink or green. It means being able to change the color to one of the other existing colors in character creation. If people can change their hairstyle, they should also be able to change the color.

But, I agree that any new hair color that may be offered in future should not be pink/green/blue/etc.

Gidorick · April 2015

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

5. No - I repeat, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - hair dye. You pick a color during char creation, you stick with it. I swear the day I see somebody with green or pink hair running around, not only I will boycott the game, I will do my very best to advise all of my guilds to leave with me.

thanks,

The ability to change your hair color doesn't mean dying it pink or green. It means being able to change the color to one of the other existing colors in character creation. If people can change their hairstyle, they should also be able to change the color.

But, I agree that any new hair color that may be offered in future should not be pink/green/blue/etc.

Exactly! .... bringing able to Dye hair any color would be terrible... but profitable and functionally, would make sense. Dyes COULD change the color of hair ... gahhh!

Tapio75 · April 2015

Main issue..

Most basic and common appearance changes.. That is barber shop..

Needs to be with game gold only!

Add full redo as crown shop item, one time token.

Tapio75 · April 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Gold Sink:
When in the Barber Chair, players should be able to select one of the following for in-game gold (Prices are provided as examples)
1000 Gold - Change Hairstyle

1500 Gold - Change Adornment

2000 Gold - Change Hair color

A fourth option should also be available
Crown Store - New Styles

Crown Store:
Inside the Crown Store, players should be able to buy the following for Crowns (Prices are provided as examples)
400 Crowns - New Hair Styles (Each purchase includes the ability to change Hair Style one time, including Hair color)

400 Crowns - New Adornments (Beard & Jewelry, each purchase includes the ability to change Adornments one time, including Hair Color)

600 Crowns - New Body Markings (Each purchase includes the ability to change Body Markings one time)

600 Crowns - New Head Markings (Each purchase includes the ability to change Head Markings one time)

1000 Crowns - Character Alteration Token (Allows players to re-enter the Body & Face portions of the Character

Prices for gold are too high, the cost should scale with level and be such, that everyone can use the service when ever they feel like it.

As for crown store, some of those are what needs to be in gold barber.. Most notably new hairstyle for everyone.. At least for those like me who is subscriber..

Only thing in your croen list i agree with is full character redo, separate from that race change and they need to cost quite a bit more so people cant just change on the whim.. Full redo and others like that maybe 5k crowns.

Moonshadow66 · April 2015

Great post,
but I think if the character appearance change would be implemented, then please not in the Crown Store, at least not only.
One of my characters does need an appearance change ("Raygee" looks pregnant and her arms look like huge salamis), but I definitely won't pay more than I already have just for that, though.

ItsGlaive · April 2015

I'll repeat, if all we end up with is an option to change hair I know a lot of people who'll be unhappy. Needs to be way more than just that. Needs full face and body customisation too. Facial features, body shape, height, skin colour etc.

ZOS_GinaBruno · April 2015

Cool ideas, guys! We'll pass this along to the team for some extra feedback.

Iduyenn · April 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Cool ideas, guys! We'll pass this along to the team for some extra feedback.

I would love the option to change races (ONLY Looks, not the passives!). So i could actualy play an altmer with red hair again

Gidorick · April 2015

Iduyenn wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Cool ideas, guys! We'll pass this along to the team for some extra feedback.

I would love the option to change races (ONLY Looks, not the passives!). So i could actualy play an altmer with red hair again

Interesting idea.... I'm not sure I agree with this, but I don't know if I don't. Lol.

Folkb · April 2015

Make it an item that you double click and sends you to the exact same character customization you see when you initially make your character. Then you get to change whatever you want and the item isn't used up until you click a finalize button.

Gidorick · April 2015

Folkb wrote: »

Make it an item that you double click and sends you to the exact same character customization you see when you initially make your character. Then you get to change whatever you want and the item isn't used up until you click a finalize button.

Yea... that would be the lazy way to do this.

ItsGlaive · April 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Folkb wrote: »

Make it an item that you double click and sends you to the exact same character customization you see when you initially make your character. Then you get to change whatever you want and the item isn't used up until you click a finalize button.

Yea... that would be the lazy way to do this.

I'd take it over what we have now... nothing. The mechanics for this to work are all there, we have the menus, just need a way to 'switch them on', a token or something would do the trick nicely.

Glurin · April 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

For those asking for the character editor and new hair styles to be purchasable with in game gold, how do you prepare ZOS make money to cover the costs of developing this system? Where's their return?

By offering unlocks for new styles or options and offering a crown store token that can be used as an alternative method of payment for the change. I believe that was pointed out several times already.

It doesn't have to be completely locked behind a pay wall for them to make any money off of it.

Folkb · April 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Folkb wrote: »

Make it an item that you double click and sends you to the exact same character customization you see when you initially make your character. Then you get to change whatever you want and the item isn't used up until you click a finalize button.

Yea... that would be the lazy way to do this.

You say lazy, I say efficient. Don't other think something that's simple to implement.

Tapio75 · April 2015

WOW! ZOS giving attention.. Someone must seen the text "Crown store" in the thread.. Im afraid what those good ideas they speak of really are -.-

After the letdown of rare motifs and advertisement spam, i can expect more things that are more worse than betterment of the game..

Snowstrider · April 2015

I just want a proper re customization,everything you can do in the character customization but more,Maybe not race and sex change,but everything else+ more options.

At least this should be an option for a crown store item,Other then that i would love to have barber shop places all over tamriel.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2015

however they do it, it should not be exclusive to the crown store, let us pay in gold too, if we have it.

Audigy · April 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

So, we have been told multiple times that the Barber Shop is currently being worked on. (YAY!!!)

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

On the last ESO live they stated this is something they are working on and would like to get in game They didn't forget, don't worry!

Yep, this is correct! We don't have an ETA for it yet, but it is being worked on.

It would be great for ZOS to take in Community Input regarding the barber shop mechanic in ESO. There are SO many ways this can be done. I will post my ideas here and please post your ideas below so ZOS has a thread with what the community expects to see out of a Barber Shop in ESO.

ESO Barber Shop Mechanic:
The ESO Barber Shop should consist of Immersion Additions, Lore Expansion, Gold Sink, and Crown Store mechanics. There is so much more that can be added then simply making hairstyles act like costumes for your head. Making the system more robust will result in greater immersion and greater profit for ZOS.

Immersion Additions:
Tamriel should have established Barber Shops inside buildings in large cities as well as Barber Shop carts in smaller cities and around the wilderness. At least one Barber Shop should exist in each Zone. The Barber Chair could act very much like crafting where players select the chair, then see their character sit down with the NPC going through some “hair-cutting” animations.

This would function similarly to how GTA5 handles their Barber Mechanic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upyFS8Lgdi4

Lore Expansion:
It would be awesome if the Barber Shops were a product of a Tonsors Guild. (NOTE: Tonsor is an archaic word for Barber) It wouldn’t have to be a guild that the players could join, but occasionally players could be given quests from the Tonsors Guild to collect hair samples or to try out some outlandish hairstyle that could have the player walking around the town, talking to different NPCs to get their “opinion” on the hairstyle and returning to the Tonsor with the general consensus.

The basic idea is that the Barber Shops don’t just have to be a place to get hair done, they can provide players with continued gameplay opportunities.

Gold Sink:
When in the Barber Chair, players should be able to select one of the following for in-game gold (Prices are provided as examples)
1000 Gold - Change Hairstyle

1500 Gold - Change Adornment

2000 Gold - Change Hair color

A fourth option should also be available
Crown Store - New Styles

Crown Store:
Inside the Crown Store, players should be able to buy the following for Crowns (Prices are provided as examples)
400 Crowns - New Hair Styles (Each purchase includes the ability to change Hair Style one time, including Hair color)

400 Crowns - New Adornments (Beard & Jewelry, each purchase includes the ability to change Adornments one time, including Hair Color)

600 Crowns - New Body Markings (Each purchase includes the ability to change Body Markings one time)

600 Crowns - New Head Markings (Each purchase includes the ability to change Head Markings one time)

1000 Crowns - Character Alteration Token (Allows players to re-enter the Body & Face portions of the Character Creation system. It includes the ability to change hairstyle, adornment, hair color, body markings and head markings.)

Overview:
Adding these systems would enable new players to use a part of the Barber Shop system while getting them used to the idea of changing their hair regularly. This will lead to players buying new hair styles and body markings. The Body Marking and Head markings COULD be added to the Barber Shop for gold, but within the context of a Barber Shop I’m not sure it wouldn’t make much sense.

Any thoughts on these concepts or do you have a different idea of how this should work.

I would be very angry if they use the crown shop for new styles and body options. The look of our chars is extremely important, gating it behind a pay wall is wrong.

The barber should work for gold and be implemented in a quest chain, leave the crown store out of this please.

While I am sympathetic to this view point, and I don't disagree with the philosophy behind it, we are in a different environment now. ZOS needs to make money and by suggesting that they implement a system as robust as a barber shop with absolutely no way to generate revenue from it I think we are doing a disservice to ZOS, and ultimately, ESO.

Now, in my suggestion all the hairstyles, Adornments, and markings that are available in Character Creation would be available to change in the barber shop with gold. So players would have options without paying one single Crown.

Perhaps we could ask that there be a few hairstyles available through questing in the Lore Expansion section... which I'll rename to Lore/Quest Expansion.

The thing is,

if paying money to enjoy basic MMO features is the way to go, then I just cant support this anymore. They shall sell their mounts and pets, XP potions, CP packages or costumes - I really don't care.

But offering a feature like the barber shop, something that every MMO has and this as a free to have thing, then this is anything but fair. In my opinion labeling a game F2P or B2P for that matter and then demanding money to actually use its features is a fraud. EA and BW have done this with SWTOR and I can only hope for ZOS that they don't follow their road.

We don't need a second cartel market in our MMO world

In my opinion, shops should offer cosmetics such as pets, mounts, clowns costume ... Things you don't need to play, but can get. At the same time anything available in game should also be in the store, be it CP´s, Crafting Mats, Gold, Motifs ... Those impatient can shop and the rest will play.

But the basic features like visiting dungeons, doing quests, mastering a profession, using dye station, barber, housing ... should never ever go into a "pay to use" status. Maybe I am too old school for this, but ya that's how I see it.

Mumnoch · April 2015

Most of this looks to be solid ideas, however;

For Endgame Char's wearing endgame content there is currently a huge disparity between male and female avatars. Male's could show off these new Tatoo's etc because there are cool looking armor choices that show some chest/arm's/etc. For females though there is no cool looking armor that show anything. All the females are covered from their chin's to their toes. It's horrible for people like me that are prudes.

I'd ask for a "costume" slot be added for each armor slot with a toggle to view or not view so we can at least mix/match with lower lvl armor or unique armor so female avatar's could also show these kinds of things.

ESO is too repressive on female avatars atm, it doesn't follow the TES universe and frankly makes them look ugly.

Runefell · April 2015

There are two things I desperately want.

First off, voice change. My khajiit female bard sounds like a male orc grunting about.

Second, name change. When I created some of my characters, I had a specific build in mind. By the time I hit Veteran ranks, I realize that my mage is more fun to play as a thief, and my tank is more fun to play as a healer. I know it's just personal preferences, but now the names to me don't match the character.

Throren · April 2015

I want both King Jorunn and Sai Sahan's beard styles

timidobserver · April 2015

Audigy wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

So, we have been told multiple times that the Barber Shop is currently being worked on. (YAY!!!)

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

On the last ESO live they stated this is something they are working on and would like to get in game They didn't forget, don't worry!

Yep, this is correct! We don't have an ETA for it yet, but it is being worked on.

It would be great for ZOS to take in Community Input regarding the barber shop mechanic in ESO. There are SO many ways this can be done. I will post my ideas here and please post your ideas below so ZOS has a thread with what the community expects to see out of a Barber Shop in ESO.

ESO Barber Shop Mechanic:
The ESO Barber Shop should consist of Immersion Additions, Lore Expansion, Gold Sink, and Crown Store mechanics. There is so much more that can be added then simply making hairstyles act like costumes for your head. Making the system more robust will result in greater immersion and greater profit for ZOS.

Immersion Additions:
Tamriel should have established Barber Shops inside buildings in large cities as well as Barber Shop carts in smaller cities and around the wilderness. At least one Barber Shop should exist in each Zone. The Barber Chair could act very much like crafting where players select the chair, then see their character sit down with the NPC going through some “hair-cutting” animations.

This would function similarly to how GTA5 handles their Barber Mechanic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upyFS8Lgdi4

Lore Expansion:
It would be awesome if the Barber Shops were a product of a Tonsors Guild. (NOTE: Tonsor is an archaic word for Barber) It wouldn’t have to be a guild that the players could join, but occasionally players could be given quests from the Tonsors Guild to collect hair samples or to try out some outlandish hairstyle that could have the player walking around the town, talking to different NPCs to get their “opinion” on the hairstyle and returning to the Tonsor with the general consensus.

The basic idea is that the Barber Shops don’t just have to be a place to get hair done, they can provide players with continued gameplay opportunities.

Gold Sink:
When in the Barber Chair, players should be able to select one of the following for in-game gold (Prices are provided as examples)
1000 Gold - Change Hairstyle

1500 Gold - Change Adornment

2000 Gold - Change Hair color

A fourth option should also be available
Crown Store - New Styles

Crown Store:
Inside the Crown Store, players should be able to buy the following for Crowns (Prices are provided as examples)
400 Crowns - New Hair Styles (Each purchase includes the ability to change Hair Style one time, including Hair color)

400 Crowns - New Adornments (Beard & Jewelry, each purchase includes the ability to change Adornments one time, including Hair Color)

600 Crowns - New Body Markings (Each purchase includes the ability to change Body Markings one time)

600 Crowns - New Head Markings (Each purchase includes the ability to change Head Markings one time)

1000 Crowns - Character Alteration Token (Allows players to re-enter the Body & Face portions of the Character Creation system. It includes the ability to change hairstyle, adornment, hair color, body markings and head markings.)

Overview:
Adding these systems would enable new players to use a part of the Barber Shop system while getting them used to the idea of changing their hair regularly. This will lead to players buying new hair styles and body markings. The Body Marking and Head markings COULD be added to the Barber Shop for gold, but within the context of a Barber Shop I’m not sure it wouldn’t make much sense.

Any thoughts on these concepts or do you have a different idea of how this should work.

I would be very angry if they use the crown shop for new styles and body options. The look of our chars is extremely important, gating it behind a pay wall is wrong.

The barber should work for gold and be implemented in a quest chain, leave the crown store out of this please.

While I am sympathetic to this view point, and I don't disagree with the philosophy behind it, we are in a different environment now. ZOS needs to make money and by suggesting that they implement a system as robust as a barber shop with absolutely no way to generate revenue from it I think we are doing a disservice to ZOS, and ultimately, ESO.

Now, in my suggestion all the hairstyles, Adornments, and markings that are available in Character Creation would be available to change in the barber shop with gold. So players would have options without paying one single Crown.

Perhaps we could ask that there be a few hairstyles available through questing in the Lore Expansion section... which I'll rename to Lore/Quest Expansion.

The thing is,

if paying money to enjoy basic MMO features is the way to go, then I just cant support this anymore. They shall sell their mounts and pets, XP potions, CP packages or costumes - I really don't care.

But offering a feature like the barber shop, something that every MMO has and this as a free to have thing, then this is anything but fair. In my opinion labeling a game F2P or B2P for that matter and then demanding money to actually use its features is a fraud. EA and BW have done this with SWTOR and I can only hope for ZOS that they don't follow their road.

We don't need a second cartel market in our MMO world

In my opinion, shops should offer cosmetics such as pets, mounts, clowns costume ... Things you don't need to play, but can get. At the same time anything available in game should also be in the store, be it CP´s, Crafting Mats, Gold, Motifs ... Those impatient can shop and the rest will play.

But the basic features like visiting dungeons, doing quests, mastering a profession, using dye station, barber, housing ... should never ever go into a "pay to use" status. Maybe I am too old school for this, but ya that's how I see it.

The smart approach would be to offer the basic barber shop(the basic features you got to choose from at character creation) for free and then have a cost for extras.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · April 2015

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I'm up for this. And I'll add my wish list:

- More beards, including full beards, scruffy beards, tied/dyed/wild beards, and more than one obi-wan look.
- More haircuts. Obviously. From bald to balding, thick and fruffy to frumpy.
- More tattoos. Let me put as amny tattoos as I want, including overlapping them and/or removing them.
- Paint. Like a tattoo, only colorful.
- Scars, scratches, dirt and burns.

In the end, I want to make a nord look like a reachman, or an imperial look like cesar, or anywhere in between.

I agree with this.

The appalling selection of hair, beard and tattoo etc options at character creation was a major let down for me.

In a modern AAA game there really should be more and better options in this area.

Heck, IMO LotRO has better beard / hair choices than ESO and LotRO is as old as dirt.

All The Best