The Barber Shop is done. The Ignored Community Input is Here:

Waseem

Rial wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

10$ USD is absurd WHEN ALL I WANT TO DO IS CHANGE MY HAIR COLOR

How mouch does it cost at your local hairdresser's?

it cost me 7-8$ for normal haircut at local dresser, and in-game? it costs freaking more !!!!!!!!
so u know he's not the only one

Elsonso

rhapsodious wrote: »

Annalyse wrote: »

Also, I was really hoping that a barbershop would not take you back to the creation screen. The only reason I wanted a barbershop was because the templar I created does not look the same in the game as she did in the creation screen and I want her to look how she should have (I was more careful with the other characters but they don't look quite how I wanted either). I won't spend money on this if it is just going to take me back to the same problem.

The appearance change screen uses a different backdrop and lighting than creation. Creation uses the Coldharbour prison environment which is dark, blue, and overall not really representative of how your character will be colored 95% of the time. The appearance change screen uses a far more natural lighting. It's something.

Which begs the question.... why are they not using the better setting for character generation!

Kalifas

Waseem wrote: »

Rial wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

10$ USD is absurd WHEN ALL I WANT TO DO IS CHANGE MY HAIR COLOR

How mouch does it cost at your local hairdresser's?

it cost me 7-8$ for normal haircut at local dresser, and in-game? it costs freaking more !!!!!!!!
so u know he's not the only one

I cut my own hair with clippers,scissors, and three mirrors. So definitely cost more than my haircut.

CromulentForumID

Waseem wrote: »

it cost me 7-8$ for normal haircut at local dresser, and in-game? it costs freaking more !!!!!!!!
so u know he's not the only one

I still question the relevance of the original question

You paid $10 for the wedding dress? How much did yours cost in RL? A couple hundred? BARGAIN!!!

Shader_Shibes

Waseem wrote: »

Rial wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

10$ USD is absurd WHEN ALL I WANT TO DO IS CHANGE MY HAIR COLOR

How mouch does it cost at your local hairdresser's?

it cost me 7-8$ for normal haircut at local dresser, and in-game? it costs freaking more !!!!!!!!
so u know he's not the only one

7-8$ a haircut? Do you look like this?

moonbat

Rial wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

10$ USD is absurd WHEN ALL I WANT TO DO IS CHANGE MY HAIR COLOR

How mouch does it cost at your local hairdresser's?

Which is completely irrelevant.

In LOTRO and WoW you can change your hair color for in game gold. I don't see why a small, simple edit like hair colour should cost 10$USD. It is ridiculous.

moonbat

Waseem wrote: »

Rial wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

10$ USD is absurd WHEN ALL I WANT TO DO IS CHANGE MY HAIR COLOR

How mouch does it cost at your local hairdresser's?

it cost me 7-8$ for normal haircut at local dresser, and in-game? it costs freaking more !!!!!!!!
so u know he's not the only one

She. And I can change my hair colour with a 2$ hair dye purchased at the dollar store! So changing my hair colour irl is cheaper than in game.

At any rate, the comparison to real life costs is ridiculous, because I could then make the argument that a katana in game should cost thousands of US dollars because that's what they cost in real life! Some of you need to learn to logic. ffs.

BruhItsOver9000

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

Rial wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

10$ USD is absurd WHEN ALL I WANT TO DO IS CHANGE MY HAIR COLOR

How mouch does it cost at your local hairdresser's?

it cost me 7-8$ for normal haircut at local dresser, and in-game? it costs freaking more !!!!!!!!
so u know he's not the only one

7-8$ a haircut? Do you look like this?

Made me spit my drink lol.

CherryCake

Lel because changing your real hair is the same like changing a 3d character`s hair xDDDDDDDD

Conquistador

I pay for a haircut and beard trim and it costs about 35 dollars.

moonbat

Kalante wrote: »

[snip]

I was thinking, perhaps they should charge us 10$ every time we use a wayshrine!
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Lara1701

I could make ten alterations to a character on TOR and still not equal ten dollars. Considering it was usually just changes to hair style and color, I could visit a great many times and not equal to ten dollars. If you're going to charge real money for something so basic, have the decency to make it so little that we barely notice or feel it.

Volrion

OP is awesome. Would have been such a great addition.

Shame.

Pandorii

Anyone else a bit skeptical about the wording of the speciality items? 200+... does that mean that hairstyles might start at 200 crowns, for the really cheap ones, and go to like 1000 crowns or 2000 crowns for the actually nice ones?

I just want some nicer makeup: maybe thicker eyeliner or the longer eyelashes.

MornaBaine

lordrichter wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

The only thing that makes me doubt your last line is the fact that they are holding back SO MANY THINGS they ALREADY HAVE DONE from the crown store. Costumes, pets, mounts. Is their budget SO SMALL that they know if they release it all now they won't be making ANY new things from here on out to put in the store to maintain continuous revenue? If they'd put out ALL the costumes they currently have finished and ready to go, I'd drop a hundred bucks on crowns without batting an eyelash. Instead they keep only putting out the stuff I'm absolutely NOT interested in, adding to my frustration as a customer. Every time I see an NPC in an outfit I CAN'T GET I want to indulge in an act of violence against the people who are keeping it from me. Yeah, petty first world problem...but as a paying customer who WANTS to give ZOS my money....it still makes me really angry.

Well, by holding stuff back, they hope to not kill the Goose from fatigue and over exertion. Seriously, as long as people think stuff is coming, they will stick around to see what is next. While they are here to check out this new stuff, they will spend Crowns and buy ESO Plus. By pacing themselves, the keep the whole thing alive longer.

I am not concerned about the slow pace that they release stuff in . I think that their near-term goals are far too shallow and do not really address the needs of the players effectively. This is likely due to "reality" tempering "dreams" in the business world they have to live in, but that does not make it OK. If anything, they should slow down, not increase, the pace, especially if slowing down will let them address player issues, ensure quality, and release something that is better than "good enough for now."

I would really love to see Housing released and have the chorus of "AWESOME" coming from the players drown out anything negative that might be said. I expect it to be more like Style Parlor, where the chorus of [snip] drowns out anyone who might say "AWESOME". For all we know, housing will be nothing more than a long loading screen and we will realize that it has been in the game for months, exclusive to the XBox.

I hate this "business model." Really, really, really hate it. The only reason I'm still here at this point:
1. The amazing RP community that ZOS has nothing to do with and keeps ignoring and/or disappointing.
2. The fact that a better game isn't out yet.

But frankly, the way they are doing stuff, it's not going to take much for a "better" game to snag me. And most of my guild.

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SantieClaws

Khajiit is fatalistic about the life in Tamriel.

The gods above they will do what they do - we offer our pleas and songs and drunken ramblings then the gods they will do what they wish. We do not know the plans they have for our lives and our world.

As long as we continue to offer prayers and sacrifice and forum posts then maybe sometimes we may reach them.

All we can do is try. If this one she can say she has tried then that is all this one she can do.

So try, drink, go fishing, fight and live. For Tamriel is there for all of this only as long as the gods will it to be.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

petraeus1

MornaBaine wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

The only thing that makes me doubt your last line is the fact that they are holding back SO MANY THINGS they ALREADY HAVE DONE from the crown store. Costumes, pets, mounts. Is their budget SO SMALL that they know if they release it all now they won't be making ANY new things from here on out to put in the store to maintain continuous revenue? If they'd put out ALL the costumes they currently have finished and ready to go, I'd drop a hundred bucks on crowns without batting an eyelash. Instead they keep only putting out the stuff I'm absolutely NOT interested in, adding to my frustration as a customer. Every time I see an NPC in an outfit I CAN'T GET I want to indulge in an act of violence against the people who are keeping it from me. Yeah, petty first world problem...but as a paying customer who WANTS to give ZOS my money....it still makes me really angry.

Well, by holding stuff back, they hope to not kill the Goose from fatigue and over exertion. Seriously, as long as people think stuff is coming, they will stick around to see what is next. While they are here to check out this new stuff, they will spend Crowns and buy ESO Plus. By pacing themselves, the keep the whole thing alive longer.

I am not concerned about the slow pace that they release stuff in . I think that their near-term goals are far too shallow and do not really address the needs of the players effectively. This is likely due to "reality" tempering "dreams" in the business world they have to live in, but that does not make it OK. If anything, they should slow down, not increase, the pace, especially if slowing down will let them address player issues, ensure quality, and release something that is better than "good enough for now."

I would really love to see Housing released and have the chorus of "AWESOME" coming from the players drown out anything negative that might be said. I expect it to be more like Style Parlor, where the chorus of [snip] drowns out anyone who might say "AWESOME". For all we know, housing will be nothing more than a long loading screen and we will realize that it has been in the game for months, exclusive to the XBox.

I hate this "business model." Really, really, really hate it. The only reason I'm still here at this point:
1. The amazing RP community that ZOS has nothing to do with and keeps ignoring and/or disappointing.
2. The fact that a better game isn't out yet.

But frankly, the way they are doing stuff, it's not going to take much for a "better" game to snag me. And most of my guild.

It's not so much the B2P model, it's how ZOS interpreted it. There's little precedent for B2P MMOs, and ZOS is using that to its advantage to make as much money as possible: a box price which comes in several levels of premiumness, exclusively paid content updates, an ever expanding cash shop with pricy microtransactions and an optional subfee with perks. And many would argue that it is reasonable, pointing to the minor differences between ZOS and companies fielding a F2P or P2P title.

All I see is a game that has seemingly been booming for the past year yet still looking for new avenues to make more money, and that having a box price and paid DLC appearently is not an inhibiting factor on implementing microtransactions. It appears B2P means you can do it all as a company, every monetization avenue is open, and ZOS is eagerly taking every opportunity.

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Elsonso

Pandorii wrote: »

Anyone else a bit skeptical about the wording of the speciality items? 200+... does that mean that hairstyles might start at 200 crowns, for the really cheap ones, and go to like 1000 crowns or 2000 crowns for the actually nice ones?

Yes. That is sort of what it means.

They are going to sell over-priced hair in the Crown Store, some of which will be 200 Crowns. The limits of the game engine (client side) will prevent them from making high polygon meshes for the hair styles. This means that all of the hair styles that they produce will be low to medium polygon with conservatively sized textures, even the "actually nice ones". They will play tricks with these hair styles through "reuse" to reduce the number of different meshes and ease the load on the client.

From a technical perspective, I don't expect there to be a large difference between the "200 Crown" and "2000 Crown" hair styles. The main difference will be "limited time offer", much the same as the Hero costumes.

The end result will be easily predictable. The 200 Crown hair styles will be presented largely without comment from the community. The more expensive ones will have commentary, probably negative due to quality that is not proportional to the actual cost. Sometimes, the higher Crown cost is to make items rare in the game, not because they are really any better than the cheaper stuff.

MornaBaine wrote: »

I hate this "business model." Really, really, really hate it.

But frankly, the way they are doing stuff, it's not going to take much for a "better" game to snag me. And most of my guild.

Well, I suspect that the reason that they are doing this is that it is very successful and generates a ton of revenue.

For as much as I don't care for how businesses attempt to maximize profit by doing the minimum amount of work, it does pay off, if all you are looking for is revenue. Companies that emphasize quality over price don't seem stick around for as long as those who emphasize price over quality, unless they change to emphasize price over quality.

Do most people play ESO because it is a high quality game? Probably not. I am sure that a lot of people play it because it has become free to play it, and it has become familiar. They can play it for as long as they want without paying any additional money, as long as they resist the lure of ESO Plus and the Crown Store.

For ZOS, the challenge is in snaring those people and getting them to spend something in the Crown Store. They don't have to make a quality game to do that. Many game companies have learned that they really don't even need to make much of a game at all in order to do that. Put something cute on the screen and many players will entertain themselves for hours, like a Khajiit with a ball of yarn. Then sell them extras.

As for your comment about leaving, the word from Firor is that ZOS sees this a lot and apparently it does not concern them. Quite the opposite, I think ZOS embraces them. He says that the people who leave for other games come back from time to time to play ESO. As long as ZOS can make the game welcoming and friendly to those players, and give them stuff to do while they are here, they will get Crown Store sales even from the people who have "left the game."

khele23eb17_ESO

Rial wrote: »

moonbat wrote: »

10$ USD is absurd WHEN ALL I WANT TO DO IS CHANGE MY HAIR COLOR

How mouch does it cost at your local hairdresser's?

It costs the equivalent of $3 where I live. Not everyone is from the US. You might think thats cheap but consider the fact the average wage is a quarter of what it is in the US and everything electronics related and most other imported products cost about 20% more than in the States due to taxes and customs fees.

BenLocoDete

Tapio75 wrote: »

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I hope I don't attract too many stones from fanboys with this one but stuff like this clearly shows the reason ESO has taken a downward spiral and the company seems to ignore it. Bug reports and complaining threads take up the first page almost entirely during weekends and each month we hear less from ZOS about their view on the current state of ESO.

We all want this game to be good, most of the people who take their time to check the forums haven't given up the game yet, but as the time goes by and nothing changes, this really takes most of the fun away from playing.

There are plenty of threads from people who has been around since the very early periods of the game with legit complaints but no fix or updates on their issues. Meanwhile every week a new crown store set debuts like throwing garbage on their face and the community.

As the time goes by, every game feels old, and it gets harder to get new players if you neglect your most trustful ones.

I'd really like you to take into account these requests, the market is saturated with strategies like this and offering just another example of it will not only hurt the TES franchise and the company but also miss the point of presenting innovative content to inspire people. We really need a more honest attitude from ZOS. We come from TES games and we're very fond to mods and generous efforts towards other players. [snip] strategies like having such a long awaited feature exclusive to the crown store make the company look really bad from the community point of view and any other company with a friendlier customer approach is sure to take all the attention from saturated ones.

I haven't given up on ESO just yet ZOS, but I'm nowhere satisfied with anything on the "road ahead" letters, not One Tamriel, not Vvardenfell and Clockwork City, arenas or anything if they all feature the same quality standard the game currently presents.

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Lara1701

It just never makes sense to alienate your base. When all the other players stop "coming back" and new ones aren't showing up, we'll be the ones keeping the game going for a few more years until they shut the lights off on us. We're the most consistent source of revenue. We're the ones other people ask, "Anything new in ESO?" and we say, "You bet! C'mon back and check out this new DLC!"

Communication and engagement with your customers is also the best way to ensure subscription support. That's become a standard business model. This isn't rocket science.

MornaBaine

Lara1701 wrote: »

It just never makes sense to alienate your base. When all the other players stop "coming back" and new ones aren't showing up, we'll be the ones keeping the game going for a few more years until they shut the lights off on us. We're the most consistent source of revenue. We're the ones other people ask, "Anything new in ESO?" and we say, "You bet! C'mon back and check out this new DLC!"

Communication and engagement with your customers is also the best way to ensure subscription support. That's become a standard business model. This isn't rocket science.

Again, can't agree with you enough. Sure, it's a petty "first world problem" but the way customer feedback (feedback they have ASKED FOR mind you) has been so completely ignored is just awful.

Lara1701

MornaBaine wrote: »

Lara1701 wrote: »

It just never makes sense to alienate your base. When all the other players stop "coming back" and new ones aren't showing up, we'll be the ones keeping the game going for a few more years until they shut the lights off on us. We're the most consistent source of revenue. We're the ones other people ask, "Anything new in ESO?" and we say, "You bet! C'mon back and check out this new DLC!"

Communication and engagement with your customers is also the best way to ensure subscription support. That's become a standard business model. This isn't rocket science.

Again, can't agree with you enough. Sure, it's a petty "first world problem" but the way customer feedback (feedback they have ASKED FOR mind you) has been so completely ignored is just awful.

Exactly. Why ask for feedback and our discussions and then ignore us? Is it some bizarre social experiment ZOS is engaged in on the side? Some East Coast University seeing if we all go over the edge from being toyed with?

It takes so little to engage with us... and when you're seeking us out, for God's sake just talk to us. Even explain decisions we get worked up about. Maybe we still disagree, but a lot of us will understand and respect the communication and honesty.

What's one of the most common themes now in customer reviews on Steam? "The Devs really care" or "The Devs don't give a darn". That matters! So much!

kevlarto_ESO

I have no plans on using the so called barber shop, very disappointed, it was just a crown store transaction and not a new location in game with no in game interaction, really shattered my hopes for housing, I hope they do not make it just another crown store purchase, we need reasons to play the game not just the crown store, crossing my fingers they do a good job with housing, if not another thing added to the game I will not use.

Elsonso

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Lara1701 wrote: »

It just never makes sense to alienate your base. When all the other players stop "coming back" and new ones aren't showing up, we'll be the ones keeping the game going for a few more years until they shut the lights off on us. We're the most consistent source of revenue. We're the ones other people ask, "Anything new in ESO?" and we say, "You bet! C'mon back and check out this new DLC!"

Communication and engagement with your customers is also the best way to ensure subscription support. That's become a standard business model. This isn't rocket science.

Bah. They are not getting any references from me, anymore. I don't talk about the game at all with my friends.

I will be here when the shut the lights off. The unknown is how much I will bother to be here between now and then.

Weasel_Tunneler

Houses update are set, Barber shop next? Please?

ADarklore

Weasel_Tunneler wrote: »

Houses update are set, Barber shop next? Please?

The barbershop is already done, it's in the Crown Store.... "appearance change" token

Uzmati

Hairstyles / Adornment / Paint Pack >>>>>>>>> Barbershop
Pay once, change anywhere and totally free