Helluin wrote: »

These potions would be great for new players, returning players and after long breaks to avoid a power gap with active players, even if something different would be better (like a different diminishing return curve on Champion system or a cap).
This gap, that will be bigger in future, is the main concern PvP wise (+ performances in Cyrodiil) of all my guildies back to game with the new business model.
Because of this, I can understand them if PvP wise they prefer to stick to GW2, while waiting for another RvR game.

But for this, stored enlightenment shouldn't have just 12 days limit.

@Helluin A catch up system to affect end game progression should never be placed in the store. There are champion ranks and it's expected (by me lol) that once the median of players are above a certain threshold CR than all players below (x) CR will gain a type of enlightenment until they reach the catch up mark which could be anywhere between CR 1 and (x) CR. Putting something like this in the store as a catch up method is ultra greedy and will turn off a lot of new players. Especially since PvP doesn't have specialized seasonal PvP gear to allow catching up this could be a huge problem.

Lionxoft wrote: »

Helluin wrote: »

These potions would be great for new players, returning players and after long breaks to avoid a power gap with active players, even if something different would be better (like a different diminishing return curve on Champion system or a cap).
This gap, that will be bigger in future, is the main concern PvP wise (+ performances in Cyrodiil) of all my guildies back to game with the new business model.
Because of this, I can understand them if PvP wise they prefer to stick to GW2, while waiting for another RvR game.

But for this, stored enlightenment shouldn't have just 12 days limit.

@Helluin A catch up system to affect end game progression should never be placed in the store. There are champion ranks and it's expected (by me lol) that once the median of players are above a certain threshold CR than all players below (x) CR will gain a type of enlightenment until they reach the catch up mark which could be anywhere between CR 1 and (x) CR. Putting something like this in the store as a catch up method is ultra greedy and will turn off a lot of new players. Especially since PvP doesn't have specialized seasonal PvP gear to allow catching up this could be a huge problem.

I agree with everything, that's why I wrote "something different would be better".

I hope this is being discussed by devs because something similar, in the long run, will be surely a big issue.
It can't be blindly ignored.

Lionxoft wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We don't have an ETA on them, @hummice, but we'll let everyone know when they're in the Crown Store. The details of how they work, who can use them, the duration, etc. are still being tweaked, too.

@Attorneyatlawl

I know you were pretty active in my thread regarding these boosters. It's a good sign to see this bit of language included.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that, I was just thinking the same thing.

CP gains are the only reason to buy them, if you have even a few CP already you cant help but out lvl areas. Im trying to complete every quest in every area on one of my characters and by the end of an area Im 5-7 lvls ahead of things and often not getting any drops. If they want people to buy these things, they are going to have to affect CP otherwise there's really no incentive to buy them or use them.

Just a bit of guesswork here..

It sounds to me like there's a chance that they may simply not allow vr14 players to use exp potions. It doesn't mean that the exp potions wouldn't count towards cp, just that you'd only be ably to use them to gain cp between lvls vr1 to vr14 and not past vr14. If you did want to use them for cp, once you reached vr14, you'd have to roll a new character, lvl it from lvl 1 to vr1 before you'd start gaining cp again.

If that was the case, would that calm down the people upset about p2w?

Or would you assume the worst, that people would just roll a new alt every week, lvl it to vr1 and abuse this assembly line like gameplay to gain cp at a slightly faster pace (I say slightly because lvling from 1 to vr1 would take time).

Ley wrote: »

Just a bit of guesswork here..

It sounds to me like there's a chance that they may simply not allow vr14 players to use exp potions. It doesn't mean that the exp potions wouldn't count towards cp, just that you'd only be ably to use them to gain cp between lvls vr1 to vr14 and not past vr14. If you did want to use them for cp, once you reached vr14, you'd have to roll a new character, lvl it from lvl 1 to vr1 before you'd start gaining cp again.

If that was the case, would that calm down the people upset about p2w?

Or would you assume the worst, that people would just roll a new alt every week, lvl it to vr1 and abuse this assembly line like gameplay to gain cp at a slightly faster pace (I say slightly because lvling from 1 to vr1 would take time).

But it would defeat the reason why XP potions are needed.

I don't think players want to park their main and then only play alts, so that this main character can stay competitive with the hardcores. Players that use the XP potions do so because their main character is in disadvantage towards others, either because of limited online time or simply due the fact that they didn't receive the headstart CP and / or were able to grind CP when they were bugged.

In my opinion the only compromise we could find is a daily limit so that players might only be able to buy 2 or 3 a day.

Audigy wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Just a bit of guesswork here..

It sounds to me like there's a chance that they may simply not allow vr14 players to use exp potions. It doesn't mean that the exp potions wouldn't count towards cp, just that you'd only be ably to use them to gain cp between lvls vr1 to vr14 and not past vr14. If you did want to use them for cp, once you reached vr14, you'd have to roll a new character, lvl it from lvl 1 to vr1 before you'd start gaining cp again.

If that was the case, would that calm down the people upset about p2w?

Or would you assume the worst, that people would just roll a new alt every week, lvl it to vr1 and abuse this assembly line like gameplay to gain cp at a slightly faster pace (I say slightly because lvling from 1 to vr1 would take time).

But it would defeat the reason why XP potions are needed.

I don't think players want to park their main and then only play alts, so that this main character can stay competitive with the hardcores. Players that use the XP potions do so because their main character is in disadvantage towards others, either because of limited online time or simply due the fact that they didn't receive the headstart CP and / or were able to grind CP when they were bugged.

In my opinion the only compromise we could find is a daily limit so that players might only be able to buy 2 or 3 a day.

Exp potions aren't technically needed, they're more of a luxury item and lvling alts or getting to vr14 faster is still a valid use of them.

I agree that limiting the amount of exp pots a player could use per day would also be effective in limiting the gap between players using them and player not using them.

I brought up my idea because I've seen a lot of players say that they'd be ok with exp pots that helped players reach vr14 faster but not ones that let you gain cp faster. The whole point of not allowing vr14 characters to use exp potions, would be to discourage cp farming with exp boosters, not to encourage alt-character-mass-production-cp-farming. I just brought up the alt character thing to point out that that would be the only way people could abuse the system to farm cp.

For the record, I don't have a problem with exp potions, regardless of how they're implemented. I've just seen enough players that do have a problem with them because of the potential cp gaps they'd create.

I've got a different question regarding this, is this another broken promise?

I thought it was once stated somewhere that the store would have nothing that wasn't available in game.

Are there, or will there be, XP pots in game to find? (something along the lines of rare Motifs)

Wow, this really is a double edged sword...

Personally, I hope that the XP potions do effect CP gains.

I got a late start, and all my friends are way ahead of me in terms of CPs. I know that I will never catch up to them, but in order to meet some of the "mandatory" passive gates to be able to play with them and not get carried, I feel this potion has potential.

Like multiple people have already stated, potentially putting a "max number of uses per day" might help control this. However, on the flip side, if you don't care about mounts/pets, what are you going to spend crowns on at VR14?

It is a sad reality that we must face in a F2P game that they have to have something to make money off of, and XP pots (or bank/inventory slots) would ALWAYS be in demand.

Just my 2 cents, thanks.

Yinmaigao wrote: »

Wow, this really is a double edged sword...

Personally, I hope that the XP potions do effect CP gains.

I got a late start, and all my friends are way ahead of me in terms of CPs. I know that I will never catch up to them, but in order to meet some of the "mandatory" passive gates to be able to play with them and not get carried, I feel this potion has potential.

Like multiple people have already stated, potentially putting a "max number of uses per day" might help control this. However, on the flip side, if you don't care about mounts/pets, what are you going to spend crowns on at VR14?

It is a sad reality that we must face in a F2P game that they have to have something to make money off of, and XP pots (or bank/inventory slots) would ALWAYS be in demand.

Just my 2 cents, thanks.

Fair enough viewpoint... I don't agree with it but I can see your reasoning . If they do affect champion gains, I'm hoping they have some kind of limiter to them like you mentioned. Companies indeed do need to make money, after all. The game data with an xp potion that had a possible uptime of always-on for a 50% boost wouldn't have been a good idea, but make something along the lines of a 100% boost usable a couple of times a week that lasts an hour or two and it would be a nicety, but not a necessity... people could use them to help catch up, and some high end players would buy them just for that extra bit, but they wouldn't really be able to get a massive advantage out of it compared to what they normally earn by playing a lot, so it'd be a boost you might grab to power grind some extra xp if you wanted to speed up a bit. Alternatively they could make them more along the lines of 10% and stackable with the subscription bonus 10%, with a 6-8 hour duration of being online and a 72 hour reuse timer . Then people who play a lot would have a small percentage of uptime compared to someone who plays less, where said person would have extra time left often after the cool down expired anyway. It can be fiddled with in a lot of ways numbers-wise, and I know I'm not exactly in the general majority on my viewpoint of RMT , but I'd stomach something more along those lines easily enough and most would think of it as a complete non issue while the pots would be selling well still and not hugely imbalancing.

Casdha wrote: »

I've got a different question regarding this, is this another broken promise?

I thought it was once stated somewhere that the store would have nothing that wasn't available in game.

Are there, or will there be, XP pots in game to find? (something along the lines of rare Motifs)

They should be available in game and they should be common drops, like health and mana pots. IF they drop at a similar rate to the motifs, then I'd like to see each exp pot to be priced the same as motifs on the crown store

Flaminir wrote: »

SO many people complaining about the grind to V14 (Even though its LOTS quicker than before) and levelling alts etc...... they will sell them by the truck load even without CP gain included.

Don't mean to keep bringing this up, but the potential downside to this only effecting leveling, not CPs is that you will have a ton of new VR14s with few CPs (thus weaker than other VR14s) trying to PUG/Do content that is not balanced for them having lower-than-normal CPs.

Couple this with a lack of effective means to gain XP at max level, since you crushed all the content with your XP only potion, I think players will end up even further behind other VR14s eventually.

edit for spelling

The only purpose for xp gains is for champion gains too. If the xp only affected one side, it would go against the existing mechanics/company grind stance. This game has a long xp lineup, three zones worth. On the toon I am leveling now, she is doing the quests against grey mobs. Really people, when are you going to realize questing is always superior to grinding - especially when the company makes steps to limit grinds.

hummice wrote: »

I stand corrected from my early statement- everybody made a good point about XP directly affecting CP. But the reason i want these XP pots (total opinion, speaking for just me here) is to remain competitive while still working full time and going to school. If i could buy an a RL XP pot and skip the rest of school so i could grind out CP in ESO the hard way, id prob do it! But until RL devs make those, my window of time to play this game is smaller then most. If these pots let me catch up (and as of latest screen-shot, in two hour intervals WITH a two hour cool down) ill do it, and i know a lot of people will also. I dont believe its pay-to-win, but i can absolutely see the point of the arguments. I do know i cant ask the people in my guild to stop playing until i get a chance to log on- they're not that nice. So if this helps me play catch-up to further enjoy my gaming experience, awesome.

I think what you're not acknowledging is that a lot of the people who have a crap ton of CP that you're falling behind of will also be using this, and now they'll be getting ahead of you 50% faster while you're in class. That is the fear people have.

Jules wrote: »

How can ANYONE justify these xp potions affecting CP?!?! Are you guys serious?? Everyone's always talking about not wanting serious gear advantages ect in the crown store bc it's P2W. That's 100% what CP gains from crown store potions are. It's even BETTER than BIS gear because CHAMPION POINTS DONT GO OUT OF STYLE. This is a P2W idea. There is no logical dispute to that.

Agreed with @Erock25 they should affect level gain to get to max rank and no more.

Anything more is a serious threat to the integrity of the game.

I completely agree . These xp potions are just like better equipment. Just instead of better buffs from better equipment you get better buffs from more CP's. Its a pay to win system.