Pretty sure you can just pay someone to make the gear cheaper than you'll shell out IRL $ in the crown store.

People are going to spend crowns on items they can't get in game, though I don't see it taking long before they straight up offer coffers for X number or crowns.

Why sell items when you can outright sell gold? I give it less than 6 months, and that's probably being generous.

Well on the plus side never needed the imp one myself can make armors look imp by converting them with the right click.

how about a werewolf costume and mount? xD
WW riding on WW!

@utzpretzels No, there was nothing special about finding a motif on launch, because the chances were higher and there was no such thing as theft. I can't see how farming Vulkhel Guard bank's containers and relogging is in any way special or rewarding.

utzpretzels wrote: »

This sucks.

Rare items belong in the game and you should have to play the game to get them.

There is now absolutely nothing special about motifs. I remember at launch what a huge deal it was to find one. Putting things like this on the store seems innocent at the start but ultimately detract from the overall fun of the game.

People said the drop rate of finding these were nerfed. I didn't beleieve them. Low and behold it makes sense why they were nerfed back then.

The drop rate of hirelings were nerfed recently. Makes me wonder if legendary materials are what's coming next.

The bad thing about motifs being available in the cash shop is that it will snowball into more and more in game items along with the high possibility of certain items drop rate being reduced to the point that people will just give in and go to the shop for what ever they want. This isn't my first,second,third,fourth merry~go~round with RPGs. I'm just basing my opinion from past experiences with cash shops in game.

Legendary mats in cash shops in 6 months to a year, watch.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

LameoveR wrote: »

It's a part of DLC!

And now it has been decided that they will offer some of them by themselves.

But this picture-quote is originally with reference to new motifs, not existing ones.

Now? That was back in January.

Yes now. It was January when they said "Whether or not we will offer them by themselves has not yet been decided", and now it has been decided. But still only with reference to existing motifs. They may not yet have decided about new DLC-based motifs.

Where does it say that it is decided? That being said you act like we will get new zones etc soon. It'll be probably spring 2016 before we see any new zones, new levels or new crafting motifs. By then they will be selling end game gear and high end crafting mats on the store. This will seem minor heh.

"Whether or not we will offer them by themselves has not yet been decided" -> They are now offering them by themselves. Therefore decided. As I said though, this is only with reference to existing motifs. They may not yet have decided about whether new DLC-based motifs will be offered by themselves, which was what that quote was about, and was my point in quoting LameoveR, as I didn't understand the relevance of posting an image that was referring to something else.

The prices are lol. If i had millions i wouldn't pay it as it's not value for money and as such doesn't deserve my money. I expect bank slots to be up soon with a similarly laughable price.

Think it would be cheaper to buy gold from the Chinese and buy in game than with Crowns.

I have money to spend on this stuff and Zos won't see any of it with those sorts of prices and ofc actually sells something i don't have or need after playing for a year.

Orchish wrote: »

They need to make money or this game dies. They have chosen the crown store to make this money, these items are all cosmetic and so i am completely fine with this.

They can add as much cosmetic stuff in the store as they like, so long as we do not enter pay to win by selling gear that makes you stronger in anyway then i am fine with it.

Ok so you are ok with it so long as it doesn't upset the part of the game that matters to you (P2W gear for PvP) but if they ruin the crafting system or other parts of the game that others may enjoy..that's just fine because it doesn't affect you? Ok, got it.

Some people enjoy the trading aspect and would prefer an actual in-game economy that isn't tainted and circumvented with cash shop purchases. Oh and btw..logic and history should tell you that if they are willing to sacrifice the economy now they will likely start adding in P2W items later. They already have plans for XP pots which are borderline if not already P2W. What's next? If you think it doesn't start small and trend towards blatant P2W later you are in denial.

Leonguide wrote: »

Dukegaming wrote: »

This will be interesting. I don't feel it was the right decision, if motifs were meant to be something hard to find in the game, they should of stayed that way. This is going to take away from the whole aspect of finding and learning/selling motifs. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong.

How do you qualify searching pots in huts to be hard? It's random. Takes time, not effort.

When I said hard, I wasn't talking about effort. I was talking about the amount of time and patience it takes to actually find said motif. "Hard to find in the game." Didn't think I would have to over-explain that.

EQBallzz wrote: »

Leonguide wrote: »

@EQBallzz do you even hear yourself? motives from crown store can't be sold, there won't be a flood of it through the market, hence the price won't just instantly drop. believe it or not you're not the smartest one in the room, some people make money for upkeeping a big mmo project. can you guess who?

Yep..some people do know how to make money from a F2P MMO project..like NW. That's what we are trying to avoid. If you think it will stop at motifs or that the current high price for motifs are going to stay that way you are pretty gullible. This is just the beginning and it's how they fool people like you. They slowly add this crap and keep ramping up until it's full on P2W garbage.

Also, who is judging my intelligence? You? LOL. That's hilarious. BTW, it's motifs not motives (it's even in the subject of the thread). Pro-tip: when you call someone out on their intelligence maybe use spell-check or something.

Auto correct. Might not be... but it is a pretty good assumption.

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

I have no problem with them selling the motifs but honestly, they need to put back the stones for them. If I paid for 2 motifs, 3000 crowns, I want the copper and daedra hearts readily available for me to make my characters this stuff all the way through the game, not just when they get to max level.

Come on ZOS, fix this. Copper, daedra hearts and whatever is required for the other motifs need to be for sale in game. I'm actually pretty ticked about it because they were available in beta.

For everyone thinking about buying these motifs. Be aware, you CAN'T get the copper, daedra hearts etc from the vendors thus is is not worth buying these motifs. Don't make the mistake I did.

LOL. F2P is made for you. OMG! I can't instantly get the mats to make gear! I can't buy it from an NPC or cash shop with no effort! OMG! What do I do!? Do I have to play the game or buy from another player? OHNOZ!

Don't worry..you will be getting your way soon enough. They will keep catering to your "instant gratification" play style until everything is just a crown purchase away. In the meantime may I suggest Neverwinter? You can already buy what you want there so maybe you can get your F2P fix there until this game has more completely gone down the drain.

Now, to find a pledge of Mara partner again!

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

I have no problem with them selling the motifs but honestly, they need to put back the stones for them. If I paid for 2 motifs, 3000 crowns, I want the copper and daedra hearts readily available for me to make my characters this stuff all the way through the game, not just when they get to max level.

Come on ZOS, fix this. Copper, daedra hearts and whatever is required for the other motifs need to be for sale in game. I'm actually pretty ticked about it because they were available in beta.

For everyone thinking about buying these motifs. Be aware, you CAN'T get the copper, daedra hearts etc from the vendors thus is is not worth buying these motifs. Don't make the mistake I did.

You don't get them from the store- you get them from drops. And I have tons from drops.

EQBallzz wrote: »

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

I have no problem with them selling the motifs but honestly, they need to put back the stones for them. If I paid for 2 motifs, 3000 crowns, I want the copper and daedra hearts readily available for me to make my characters this stuff all the way through the game, not just when they get to max level.

Come on ZOS, fix this. Copper, daedra hearts and whatever is required for the other motifs need to be for sale in game. I'm actually pretty ticked about it because they were available in beta.

For everyone thinking about buying these motifs. Be aware, you CAN'T get the copper, daedra hearts etc from the vendors thus is is not worth buying these motifs. Don't make the mistake I did.

LOL. F2P is made for you. OMG! I can't instantly get the mats to make gear! I can't buy it from an NPC or cash shop with no effort! OMG! What do I do!? Do I have to play the game or buy from another player? OHNOZ!

Don't worry..you will be getting your way soon enough. They will keep catering to your "instant gratification" play style until everything is just a crown purchase away. In the meantime may I suggest Neverwinter? You can already buy what you want there so maybe you can get your F2P fix there until this game has more completely gone down the drain.

I'd say if Zenimax walked down this road, they would have no regards for the "rest" of the community, meaning they would ignore the major portion that still wants the game to remain the way it is (Character Progression), and instead give to those that want an extreme advantage at the beginning of the game. So far Zenimax has done a decent job of listening to the community, which is more than I can say for any other game I've experienced. I would say that as long as there are a majority of people who stand for character progression being a challenge and taking time (somewhat like it currently is), Zenimax probably and most likely wont go down this road, at least they would be smart to if they want to keep a portion of their player-base. Who knows, they did make Vet content easier (back in July of 2014) because apparently it was too difficult for some people's taste. I however never heard of anyone saying Vet content was too difficult, in-game.