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michaelarryn✭✭✭michaelarryn wrote: »I was just wondering, how many people would agree if I said us DKs should have these 2 things?
1) A Gap Closer
2) An Execute/Heavy hitter (like Concealed Weapon/Biting Jabs/two thirds of sorc moves)
I know what you guys are gonna say- its viable and plenty of people have been successful with DK builds and DKs were at one point OP, yada yada. I would just like more DK skills to use, period.
Biting jabs? A heavy hitter? When... What? I dont... What? Radiant destruction i can understnd but biting jabs?
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✭✭michaelarryn wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »You guys are funny. *cough sig* check my signature lol. I am far away from having no idea about DK and the game in general.
OP asked simple question without any details given. So he got simple answers in the sme way he asked
I dont count in bugs etc. And chains is a gap closer. If you dont think it is, you should learn the class skills a bit more 
He also didn't say if he uses magicka or stamina builds. There where no details given by the OP.
Actually what kind of gap closer do u want? Getting pulled to the enemy.. Thats what every other gap closer in this game does. It gets you to the enemy. Works the same as charge in this case. I dont know what to say to you guys. You dont make any sense. I am sorry.
Sorry, I am a stam build and I believe a lot of attacks and aoes are geared towards magicka builds for DKs, despite all the effort put towards 1.6. If I offended you in anyway for you to take the time to be a sarcastic *** on my post, I apologize.
Nah, it's okay. I found it funny, thats why I adapted
the post of mine you quoted wasnt directed towards
you btw
As stam user, theres literally nothing. Only dots that arnt enough anymore in pvp. Thanks shields!
You truly rely on weapon skills. But all you need is in 2h tree anyway.
Whip is great for magicka though. They really should make flame leash a stam morph and give us magicka guys unstable flame back.. I miss unstable
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✭✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »I've used chains in pvp.. a Gap Closer it is not.
An ability that might put the target near me half the time and the other time somewhere else cause of lag...it is.
It still closes a gap. Charges and leaps also suffer from lag. Ergo there are no gap closers at all? (except bolt)
I know you being a bit sarcastic so I tried to be too 
I can expect to be at least in the area of the target a good 90% of the time with every gap closer out there, a good 50% of the time with chains the target ends up behind me.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »DKs have both those things already.
Chains will close gaps, but you will give your target cc immunity.
Molten Armaments is an execute but requires fully charged heavy attacks which may or may not work to your advantage depending on your opponents skill and champion points setup.
Finally nobody is going to support your ideas; fair or not, DKs are still voted the most OP class in PVP according to a very recent survey. Additionally every other class would never want to give another class a buff, each class lobbies only for their own class, and declares all other classes OP. That is the forum meta.
DK being the most OP... That poll was complete BS and anyone who still votes for DK being the most OP clearly hasn't logged in since 1.6.
agreed, either that or almost every sorc decided it was best way to deflect from the fact they quite obviously are where dk's were when everybody knew they were op.
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✭Chains was our gap closer until it was ruined by having to be on completely flat ground, and then destroyed by the fact it can pull you into a zerg rather than pulling out the target.1 -
Suhxtob-yu✭✭✭Broken mechanics are broken. Nobody is denying that. But what @xMovingTarget is saying is that DKs DO in fact have a gap closer. Broken gap closer, sure, but they have one. Which is what the OP asked.
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✭✭✭✭Without reading any of your post, in answer to your question - of COURSE you are asking too much.
Keep it up!
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✭michaelarryn wrote: »I was just wondering, how many people would agree if I said us DKs should have these 2 things?
1) A Gap Closer
2) An Execute/Heavy hitter (like Concealed Weapon/Biting Jabs/two thirds of sorc moves)
I know what you guys are gonna say- its viable and plenty of people have been successful with DK builds and DKs were at one point OP, yada yada. I would just like more DK skills to use, period.
Only good gap closers in this game are stamina based. So you're not loosing that awfully much build-wise by slotting Critical Rush or Invasion. Believe me, you dont want terrible skills like Lotus fan or Toppling Charge on your DK.
I also believable you mean "Surprise Attack". Because Concealed Weapon is the magicka morph, meaning pretty mediocre dmg and no way near strong enough to break through shield stack, heals and Nirnhoned.
Not sure why you want Biting Jabs either. It might be moderate dps, but currently gives all the enemies free cc immunity, without actually cc'ing anyone.0 -
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✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »I've used chains in pvp.. a Gap Closer it is not.
An ability that might put the target near me half the time and the other time somewhere else cause of lag...it is.
It still closes a gap. Charges and leaps also suffer from lag. Ergo there are no gap closers at all? (except bolt)
I know you being a bit sarcastic so I tried to be too
Chains are pretty much unusable in most situations in PvP when you need a gap closer. And if there is one skill that suffers from lag it is Bolt Escape. And don't tell me to look at your signature, please, nothing there indicates you have any clue of PvP.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »I've used chains in pvp.. a Gap Closer it is not.
An ability that might put the target near me half the time and the other time somewhere else cause of lag...it is.
It still closes a gap. Charges and leaps also suffer from lag. Ergo there are no gap closers at all? (except bolt)
I know you being a bit sarcastic so I tried to be too
Chains are pretty much unusable in most situations in PvP when you need a gap closer. And if there is one skill that suffers from lag it is Bolt Escape. And don't tell me to look at your signature, please, nothing there indicates you have any clue of PvP.
PvE or PvP. Our skills are exactly the same.1 -
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✭While I would love to see a reliable gap closer in the dk abilities, and maybe a little bit of love thrown dk's way...... I will say if you spec magicka and alter your play style a bit, whips do great dmg. It's efficient with dealing with dodge rollers, go sword and board to stay on top of them. For those annoying bolting Sorcs, slot take flight and you can close on the up to 38 meters out.
As far as molten weapons, my opinion is it's far too time consuming and way too easily countered to be a reliable execute. So yea I would like to see something changed in this regard.Edited by caeliusstarbreaker on April 11, 2015 1:54PMRhage Lionpride DC Stamina Templar
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DK doesnt need a gap closer and it most def doesnt need an execution. DKs already have the best mechanics in the game. You can still tank and do tons of dps at the same time.William Reignes
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✭1) We have an execute and its a pretty damn good one, Im sure if you run into Kahgie and he's running his heavy attack build you'll see why (Flash back of 20k+ heavy attack)
2) Extended chains IS a gap closer BUT its too unpredictable, in PvP when you want something specific to happen, you can't take the chance of them being pulled to you or you being pulled to them, you want to know EXACTLY where you're going and what you're doing
3) We're not allowed to complain because we're DKs, might as well close this thread before it all goes to **** anywaysGuild of Shadows ~Elite~Învictus ~Council~
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✭Im starting to get a tad bit confused with ZOSs vision of DKs. You expect us to wear heavy armor...there are very limited heavy armor sets out there with magika regen like warlocks has(which is light armor)..yet alll our skills are magika based.So..inorder to use our class skills..we must wear light armor?..or stack magika rather than health (cause we all know you can tank for days with magika) and make sure you dont use a 2 hander or a sword and board or a bow cause yea..that takes stamina and you just wasted all your attribute points on your magika based skills.
Me?..I decided to go with weapon damage based off stamina and have two DK skills that use up my small amount of magika and trust me they're not offensive skills cause frankly there's not a lot of magika sets out there for DKs in heavy that I know of. And if there are please list them.. Ill hunt them up.0 -
Galalin✭✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »I've used chains in pvp.. a Gap Closer it is not.
An ability that might put the target near me half the time and the other time somewhere else cause of lag...it is.
It still closes a gap. Charges and leaps also suffer from lag. Ergo there are no gap closers at all? (except bolt)
I know you being a bit sarcastic so I tried to be too
Chains are pretty much unusable in most situations in PvP when you need a gap closer. And if there is one skill that suffers from lag it is Bolt Escape. And don't tell me to look at your signature, please, nothing there indicates you have any clue of PvP.
PvE or PvP. Our skills are exactly the same.
What???? Where is the lol button
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✭xMovingTarget wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »I've used chains in pvp.. a Gap Closer it is not.
An ability that might put the target near me half the time and the other time somewhere else cause of lag...it is.
It still closes a gap. Charges and leaps also suffer from lag. Ergo there are no gap closers at all? (except bolt)
I know you being a bit sarcastic so I tried to be too
Chains are pretty much unusable in most situations in PvP when you need a gap closer. And if there is one skill that suffers from lag it is Bolt Escape. And don't tell me to look at your signature, please, nothing there indicates you have any clue of PvP.
PvE or PvP. Our skills are exactly the same.
What???? Where is the lol button
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I dunno Galalin, I once used ransack in PvP and the guy didn't stop attacking me, I think he got a taunt debuff or something, this guy may have a point skills are equally effective in PvP as in PvE.Edited by vortexman11 on April 12, 2015 12:57AMGuild of Shadows ~Elite~Învictus ~Council~
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Galalin✭✭✭✭✭vortexman11 wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »I've used chains in pvp.. a Gap Closer it is not.
An ability that might put the target near me half the time and the other time somewhere else cause of lag...it is.
It still closes a gap. Charges and leaps also suffer from lag. Ergo there are no gap closers at all? (except bolt)
I know you being a bit sarcastic so I tried to be too
Chains are pretty much unusable in most situations in PvP when you need a gap closer. And if there is one skill that suffers from lag it is Bolt Escape. And don't tell me to look at your signature, please, nothing there indicates you have any clue of PvP.
PvE or PvP. Our skills are exactly the same.
What???? Where is the lol button
DK SCRUB OUT
I dunno Galalin, I once used ransack in PvP and the guy didn't stop attacking me, I think he got a taunt debuff or something, this guy may have a point skills are equally effective in PvP as in PvE.
Lol... i love it! Dam Vort come to think of it... that may be whats happening to me. In fact i think im gonna take it off my bar... for some strange reason i never realized thats why ppl were attacking me.
A+ Vort... lets spread the word. Think of how many lives you just saved
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corx3✭✭✭Ever since I went stam the only DK class abilities that I use in AvA are Shifting Standard and Igneous Shield. I could feasibly do what I am doing with any other class, and I'd be better at it if I were a NB. Stamina morphs of our bread and butter skills would be so nice. I'm not even playing a DK for the most part lol.Edited by corx3 on April 12, 2015 8:29PM0
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corx3✭✭✭Also, heavy armor magicka based DK's are legit. They're not 1.5 levels of good, let alone 1.1 levels of good, but are still quite good.2
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Epsilon_Echo✭✭✭✭Molten armaments is actually useless, it last for a ridiculously short time. Fiery grip is totally unreliable since you can't target people up or down a hill most of the time. Even if it's the tiniest hill ever
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✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »I've used chains in pvp.. a Gap Closer it is not.
An ability that might put the target near me half the time and the other time somewhere else cause of lag...it is.
It still closes a gap. Charges and leaps also suffer from lag. Ergo there are no gap closers at all? (except bolt)
I know you being a bit sarcastic so I tried to be too
Chains are pretty much unusable in most situations in PvP when you need a gap closer. And if there is one skill that suffers from lag it is Bolt Escape. And don't tell me to look at your signature, please, nothing there indicates you have any clue of PvP.
PvE or PvP. Our skills are exactly the same.
What???? Where is the lol button
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You deserve a lol. Skills don't change when u enter cyro. They exactly stay the same. But why do I wonder. This came from the same person who wants healing springs being removed.
The ransack one was stupid. Even tho it's not even a DK skill. And thats what this thread is about. Some ppl need to use their brain more often..Edited by xMovingTarget on April 12, 2015 9:46PM1 -
Mumyo✭✭✭✭✭michaelarryn wrote: »I was just wondering, how many people would agree if I said us DKs should have these 2 things?
1) A Gap Closer
2) An Execute/Heavy hitter (like Concealed Weapon/Biting Jabs/two thirds of sorc moves)
I know what you guys are gonna say- its viable and plenty of people have been successful with DK builds and DKs were at one point OP, yada yada. I would just like more DK skills to use, period.
Check the abilities u allready have, Jabs are not a executioner btw.0 -
michaelarryn✭✭✭michaelarryn wrote: »I was just wondering, how many people would agree if I said us DKs should have these 2 things?
1) A Gap Closer
2) An Execute/Heavy hitter (like Concealed Weapon/Biting Jabs/two thirds of sorc moves)
I know what you guys are gonna say- its viable and plenty of people have been successful with DK builds and DKs were at one point OP, yada yada. I would just like more DK skills to use, period.
Check the abilities u allready have, Jabs are not a executioner btw.
Chains is an unreliable gap closer that hardly anyone uses out in pvp. Biting jabs isn't an execute, but it is a Templar heavy hitter skill.0 -
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✭The problem with chains in PvP is that it gives CC immunity, I wish it had it's own immunity. It is a gap closer though.0 -
Galalin✭✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »I've used chains in pvp.. a Gap Closer it is not.
An ability that might put the target near me half the time and the other time somewhere else cause of lag...it is.
It still closes a gap. Charges and leaps also suffer from lag. Ergo there are no gap closers at all? (except bolt)
I know you being a bit sarcastic so I tried to be too
Chains are pretty much unusable in most situations in PvP when you need a gap closer. And if there is one skill that suffers from lag it is Bolt Escape. And don't tell me to look at your signature, please, nothing there indicates you have any clue of PvP.
PvE or PvP. Our skills are exactly the same.
What???? Where is the lol button
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You deserve a lol. Skills don't change when u enter cyro. They exactly stay the same. But why do I wonder. This came from the same person who wants healing springs being removed.
The ransack one was stupid. Even tho it's not even a DK skill. And thats what this thread is about. Some ppl need to use their brain more often..
This coming from an armchair critic...I'm trying to come up with solutions to problems in the game and you sit on your ass and do nothing but take potshots...
Also this coming from the same person who suggests chains as a gap closer... lmao do you even PvP? A skill so broken in PvP it ridiculous.
The tool tips may stay the same but the applications are far different my PvE buddy... the difference between PvP and PvE skill usage and gear usage is immense.
Why do i even wonder?
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You would think that, but with champion points and drink, its fairly sustainable. Just have to make sure you don't flappity flap to much and you are nice to your healers.Decibel GM
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✭✭✭✭✭AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »DKs have both those things already.
Chains will close gaps, but you will give your target cc immunity.
Molten Armaments is an execute but requires fully charged heavy attacks which may or may not work to your advantage depending on your opponents skill and champion points setup.
Finally nobody is going to support your ideas; fair or not, DKs are still voted the most OP class in PVP according to a very recent survey. Additionally every other class would never want to give another class a buff, each class lobbies only for their own class, and declares all other classes OP. That is the forum meta.
DK being the most OP... That poll was complete BS and anyone who still votes for DK being the most OP clearly hasn't logged in since 1.6.
agreed, either that or almost every sorc decided it was best way to deflect from the fact they quite obviously are where dk's were when everybody knew they were op.
While i agree that sorcs might not be in line with templar and DK at the moment - i also have to admit that the comparison to 1.5 DK is absolute garbage. I have yet to see a sorc charge in 6+ ppl and come out victorious.
Also Sorc´s can be shut down relatively easy once ppl get an understanding of the classes mechanics - some classes have it easier than others.
Sorc and NB are the kings of 1v1 atm and both classes enable you to some extend (sorc far more so) to draw out every fight into and 1v1 encounter (if the enemys are stupid enough).<Noricum>
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