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ZOS I will pay you $30+ to change my RACE
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Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭This would make them money. More money from their game would mean they can hire more people to develop content faster. Plus plus.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
Jcon V16 Orc DK
Vierna Do'urdenx V16 Bosmer NB
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skarvika✭✭✭✭Race/class changes in this game would be very welcome imo...I'm happy with my character, but I think it's a really important thing for people to be 100% happy with the characters they've spent so much time on. Sometimes you won't be able to tell if your character is really what you'd want it to be until you've gotten deep into the game with them already.
The more customization, the better. The way I'd do it is have the first change be free, then start costing hefty sums of gold and have it become more expensive the each time you change your race/class while having an option to change them without the gold cost but with crowns in the crown store.QQing is a full time job2 -
Rust_in_Peace✭✭✭✭✭Played WoW for years in a top US raiding guild. Some races were always a bit better for certain roles, never really saw anyone kept out of raid for being the "wrong race" because of the racials. Did people joke about certain choices? Sure, but good players will always be good players regardless. I consistently saw "inferior" race choices top dps meters by higher margins than their racial differences would suggest on paper.
The people who fear monger about this are absolute babies. Play whatever race you want, some people don't like the choice they originally made, their choices don't effect you. Grow up, grow thicker skin, go outside and get over it. I am confident Zenimax won't listen to the anti-everything whiners on this issue.0 -
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You're right, but race balance is far easier to fix.pugyourself wrote: »
Because this game is an MMO. And an MMO must be designed such that either the racials are balanced (which they are not), or if they are not balanced, give players a chance to change race so that they are not at a competitive disadvantage.
Game balance was a joke in single player TES games, and this included racials. For example, in Oblivion, if you were a breton, you could equip a single ring and become completely immune to all magicka damage/effects.
Furthermore, rebalancing of racials does not break lore, because they still recognize difference in races even if nonimal. I would be fine if, for example, Altmer had only a 1-2% advantage in magicka functions. This would be an acceptable amount that would be consistent with lore. But at the moment, Altmer has a 5-10% advantage, and this is unacceptable if ESO is to become a serious, well-balanced competitive game.
As I've suggested above, race change and race balance are two separate things, but they are interconnected. I think it is too much to ask for a rebalance of racials, because ZOS has not shown any competence in this area. That is, I don't believe we can cure the disease (i.e., racial balance), so the only thing we can hope is to treat the symptoms (race change).
Class imbalance is far more problematic than racial imbalance. I'm guessing there are a lot of DKs and Templars on here asking for race changes to give them even more of an advantage over the other classes. Take your flappy wings and fly on outta here.
Easiest way to fix race balance is just to remove the 2nd and 3rd upgrades of each racial bonus. This will water down the racials such that they aren't significantly affecting gameplay balance, while still clearly acknowledging the concept of racials.0 -
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✭deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »If you people want "lore friendly" all ZoS would have to do is let you buy a race change scroll in the crown store. Once you claim the item in game you start a quest on behalf of one of the deadric gods. At the completion of the quest you are rewarded with the ability to change your race. They are gods and have it easily in their power to do so. If you think differently you should go to a doctor and get an MRI to look for the tumor growing in your brain.
I think my irony meter just exploded. Are you suggesting that there are no lore effects to the process because it can be carried out by daedric gods because they are gods?
Um, the Daedric Princes aren't gods. That is one of the defining features of their nature. It is one of the reasons they aren't referred to as Aedra or members of the Divines.
Yes, they are powerful. Yes, they might even e able to bring about the race change that people are still calling for but apart from the Reachmen (who can't really be considered an authority on anything except from senseless slaughter) they are not considered gods. They are, in fact, contrasted with the gods.
The Dunmer were born from the ashes of the Battle of Red Mountain.[2] The infamous confrontation around 1E 700 led to the death of an ancient and respected war leader known as Lord Indoril Nerevar, the destruction of a Chimer clan, the disappearance of an entire race then present on Nirn, and the ascension into godhood of four of Nerevar's councilors and closest friends, culminating in a curse from a Daedric prince that transformed the Dunmer into their present appearance.[7][8][9][10] Before that, they were the Chimer, a race of elves with skin like pale gold that followed the prophet Veloth to Resdayn (present-day Morrowind) seeking religious freedom.[2][11][12] But the Daedra Azura (the Goddess of Dusk and Dawn and the patron of Nerevar), became angry and cursed the Chimer, turning their eyes red and their skin ashen.[9][8] Nerevar's councilors, his general Vivec, the sorcerer Sotha Sil, and his wife Almalexia, broke an oath they had sworn to Nerevar and Azura by stealing divine power for themselves.[8] When this Tribunal of new living gods showed no remorse to Azura, she cursed them and all Chimer, and tied together the fate of the Dunmer and Tribunal until the end of time.[8]
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it was a deadric god that created a new race. Pretty sure it's within their power AND LORE. Boom, mind blown.Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!0 -
The_Sadist✭✭✭✭✭I'm personally against a class change of any sort, but I do eventually see it happening. That being said, I feel if they do implement a class change and you took it you'd have to change into any one of the three races within your faction or an imperial if you have them unlocked."Each event is preceded by Prophecy. But without the hero, there is no Event." ― Zurin Arctus, the Underking.Tragrim - How do I work this thing?
Casually stalking the forums0 -
Why is this lore breaking? You can pay so that any race can be any alliance. I'm confused on how changing your race changes the story any more than that already has.0
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✭Bulldog1205 wrote: »Why is this lore breaking? You can pay so that any race can be any alliance. I'm confused on how changing your race changes the story any more than that already has.
People move around, that's natural. Perhaps someone was betrayed by their own faction and decided to move away.
Someone magically changing races overnight, that's kind of odd, even in the magical world of Tamriel. Not to mention, there is usually some level of racial pride, so it's hard to imagine for example, an Argonian ever turning into a Dark Elf.
You guys (as players) want your characters to be a different race. But, would your character feel the same way? That's our point when we say it's lore breaking. You're not changing races as your character, you're doing it as a player. Lore, broken.[DC/NA]0 -
Resipsa131✭✭✭
So if you bought the imperial edition and rolled an imperial did you pay to win? On point, I don't ZOS will ever allow race or class changes as it would discourage rerolling. Just my opinionpugyourself wrote: »pugyourself wrote: »
Saying it would be P2W is false. At best that comment is going against the argument saying racials are not important.
Race is important in this game. Certain races are better for certain builds.pugyourself wrote: »
So it is P2W to change your race to an Altmer but not P2W if you rolled an Altmer initially?
That is what I am saying. Paying real money to make your current toon more competitive = P2W.
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pugyourself✭✭✭✭Resipsa131 wrote: »
So if you bought the imperial edition and rolled an imperial did you pay to win? On point, I don't ZOS will ever allow race or class changes as it would discourage rerolling. Just my opinionpugyourself wrote: »pugyourself wrote: »
Saying it would be P2W is false. At best that comment is going against the argument saying racials are not important.
Race is important in this game. Certain races are better for certain builds.pugyourself wrote: »
So it is P2W to change your race to an Altmer but not P2W if you rolled an Altmer initially?
That is what I am saying. Paying real money to make your current toon more competitive = P2W.
Yes, I do believe the Imperial edition is a version of P2W. It was a known entity at launch and all of us could have purchased it then so I don't have a major problem with it. We still can purchase it. If you want a better race, perhaps that is the way to go. The problem for me is not a re-roll with a new race, but allowing someone to keep all their other stats while paying to change their race.0 -
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✭✭Must be some sort of misunderstanding here. I wasn't suggesting that your opinion wasn't valid, only pointing out that in my opinion you shouldn't be so submissive of his.
I'm not being dismissive of his opinion. I am being dismissive of his suggestion that his experience is global. It isn't. We have all experienced different things.As for my opinion, I don't personally want to play with they type of people who discriminate based on FotM trends and have never seen them as a majority of players. There's not really any reason for that type of player not to be discriminatory within the current system. Meaning if you picked the wrong race in their opinion, regardless of the availability of race change, they can still choose not to include you in their group. Doesn't seem like adding the option to change your race will affect this much.
I believe that it will change this. And thus we arrive at an impasse.JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »yeah your comment doesn't change the fact that I've never seen anyone ask for a specific race for raids in those games even with a race change option which is your apparent worry.
I never challenged that you hadn't seen it. I challenged the extension you seemed to be suggesting which was that because you hadn't seen it, it wouldn't be a problem.JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »Also yoy are trying to say we should compare it to Daoc but we already don't have their payment model and don't have faction exclusive classes so we are already past "being a copy of Daoc".
Erm, I haven't mentioned Daoc or drawn comparisons between ESO and Daoc. Ever. Why? Because I have never played it. Where did you get this from?deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »Sorry to burst your bubble, but it was a deadric god that created a new race. Pretty sure it's within their power AND LORE. Boom, mind blown.
Read my response. No, really read it. I said it was possible that a Daedric Prince could do it in the original message you are responding to, I even specified that it was likely given that they, unlike the Aedra, never gave a portion of their power away (in the posts discussing their nature with @Junkogen) .
What I disagreed with was the word "gods". Daedric Princes not Daedric gods.
Basic reading fail... twice.
Boom, mind blown.Edited by Iluvrien on March 28, 2015 2:25AM0 -
I will pay a good amount to change my race in ESO.
Arguments against race change:
1. "It would be lore breaking" - Who cares, don't do it yourself. You will never know that I changed my race because you don't play with me. It will only affect you if someone you play with changes race, and most of the time people that care that much about lore play with like minded people so no harm...
2. "...but you can just re-roll a new character". - Not wasting my 400 hours that I have put into this game to get another character of the same class to max level. My time is worth way more than my money.
3. "People would just change race every time ZOS makes an update for the FotM build" - Not if they charge $30+...
4. "Racial passives are not that important" - End game content would disagree. My wood elf NB healer gets no bonus from his racials. Why does he have to suffer because I thought I would be a DPS, but my group decided that they didn't want to have a healer so I had to step in?
ZOS... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
This is why this industry is a hot pile of garbage now.0 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Their changes are terrible.
They want money, should be able to change to anything you want. NB stams are a waste of time. I would like templar for healing and blazing shield and radiant deduction.Edited by jelliedsoup on March 28, 2015 6:10AMwww.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭I want a class change ad my stam nb is weak as ***. Either I get the option to be competitive or I just stop playing due to sheer frustration.Edited by jelliedsoup on March 28, 2015 6:19AMwww.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40
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Resipsa131✭✭✭pugyourself wrote: »Resipsa131 wrote: »
So if you bought the imperial edition and rolled an imperial did you pay to win? On point, I don't ZOS will ever allow race or class changes as it would discourage rerolling. Just my opinionpugyourself wrote: »pugyourself wrote: »
Saying it would be P2W is false. At best that comment is going against the argument saying racials are not important.
Race is important in this game. Certain races are better for certain builds.pugyourself wrote: »
So it is P2W to change your race to an Altmer but not P2W if you rolled an Altmer initially?
That is what I am saying. Paying real money to make your current toon more competitive = P2W.
Yes, I do believe the Imperial edition is a version of P2W. It was a known entity at launch and all of us could have purchased it then so I don't have a major problem with it. We still can purchase it. If you want a better race, perhaps that is the way to go. The problem for me is not a re-roll with a new race, but allowing someone to keep all their other stats while paying to change their race.
I agree with your stance, personally the racials aren't a big deal to me as long as my group can clear stuff in reasonable time. I hope there isn't a priority put on this to the detriment of other things, Like letting me change the shade of red on my dunmer's eyes.0 -
SRIBES✭✭✭✭✭I think we should have to level the race skill line again to get the passives so it's fair.
They could add in a system where your race is changed by a daedra or aedra so it isn't lore breaking since a god basically changed it.0 -
Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Rust_in_Peace wrote: »Played WoW for years in a top US raiding guild. Some races were always a bit better for certain roles, never really saw anyone kept out of raid for being the "wrong race" because of the racials. Did people joke about certain choices? Sure, but good players will always be good players regardless. I consistently saw "inferior" race choices top dps meters by higher margins than their racial differences would suggest on paper.
The people who fear monger about this are absolute babies. Play whatever race you want, some people don't like the choice they originally made, their choices don't effect you. Grow up, grow thicker skin, go outside and get over it. I am confident Zenimax won't listen to the anti-everything whiners on this issue.
In wow the difference was small. 10% health on top of 34k health is an aditional 3400 health, that is a huge increase.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
Jcon V16 Orc DK
Vierna Do'urdenx V16 Bosmer NB
Jarlaxle Baenrex V16 Dunmer NB0 -
ChannelTribes wrote: »I think we should have to level the race skill line again to get the passives so it's fair.
They could add in a system where your race is changed by a daedra or aedra so it isn't lore breaking since a god basically changed it.
im down to become a deadraDunmer Master Race0 -
Anilahation✭✭✭✭Rust_in_Peace wrote: »Played WoW for years in a top US raiding guild. Some races were always a bit better for certain roles, never really saw anyone kept out of raid for being the "wrong race" because of the racials. Did people joke about certain choices? Sure, but good players will always be good players regardless. I consistently saw "inferior" race choices top dps meters by higher margins than their racial differences would suggest on paper.
The people who fear monger about this are absolute babies. Play whatever race you want, some people don't like the choice they originally made, their choices don't effect you. Grow up, grow thicker skin, go outside and get over it. I am confident Zenimax won't listen to the anti-everything whiners on this issue.
In wow the difference was small. 10% health on top of 34k health is an aditional 3400 health, that is a huge increase.
it's not really small when the world first thunderlord raiders all race changed to troll to increase their damage to beast since the raid was beast heavy.
nothing is wrong with race changes and classes still serve as a reason to reroll.
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